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[18:11] <Bombe> Hmm. Boring!
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[18:40] <dook> when starting the node on vista 32":System error 5 has occurred.
[18:40] <dook> access is denied
[18:40] <dook> does anyone know a solution?
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[20:12] <NEOatNHNG> dook, what does show the error, tho node or vista (I should say that vista is not officially suported yet but if we can make out the bugs maybe we can correct them)
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[20:56] <nextgens> NEOatNHNG> have a look to your wrapper.log file
[20:56] <nextgens> NEOatNHNG> pastebin it I'll have a look
[20:58] <NEOatNHNG> nextgens, why do you want my wrapper.log I'm not experiencing any problems
[20:59] <nextgens> NEOatNHNG> I thought you were a vista user
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[20:59] * Bombe thinks about the technical requirements for a freenet-wiki.
[20:59] <nextgens> ever heard of freekiwiki ?
[21:00] <NEOatNHNG> no I'm not I was talking to dook, who didn't answer
[21:00] <nextgens> Bombe> http://freekiwiki.sourceforge.net/
[21:01] <NEOatNHNG> but I'm currently installing Vista on my VM (it will not get on my pure Hardware) an trying to install Freenet there
[21:02] <Bombe> nextgens, yeah but Volodya currently doesn't have any time to continue developing and it's far from usable.
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[21:13] <nextgens> I've replied on @devl
[21:13] <nextgens> brb
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[21:21] <nextgens> Bombe> where? when? :p
[21:22] <Bombe> nextgens, all the time! *starts to cry*
[21:24] <Bombe> Replied to your mails.
[21:24] <saces> nextgens: you may find this intéressant: CHK@ibN9wZqpVgmb9sDwrvKTzrcykzohoQytCPupdz-wKX4,B4gaBNDdaJCKxCcpKdcYLCVQl4XG-PZ4PizDKFxO6Sc,AAIC--8/patch.txt
[21:27] <nextgens> saces> I do... but I bet that the svn folks would be interrested in that too :)
[21:29] <saces> my question is : should we host it on emu or try to get a brunch on tigris?
[21:31] <nextgens> well, if you could get it merged into svn that would be the best...
[21:31] <nextgens> I've just cross-read it and doubt that it's anywhere near mergeable though
[21:31] <nextgens> saces> did you get in touch with the svn folks ?
[21:32] * nextgens suggests you do if you haven't already
[21:32] <nextgens> saces> I'll have a closer look to your patch soon
[21:32] <nextgens> maybe tonight
[21:32] <nextgens> bbiab
[21:32] <saces> it is the complete "frame" for a new fs backend
[21:33] <nextgens> yeah, I've seen that :)
[21:33] <saces> including a littele working test (Node hello)
[21:34] <saces> >make fcp-test
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[21:35] <vivendi> I'm unable to trade references with bots
[21:37] <NEOatNHNG> vivendi, have you registered your nickname via nickserv?
[21:37] <vivendi> yes
[21:37] <vivendi> When I send a message, the reply is always "node already added. did not re-add" or similar
[21:39] <vivendi> Also, they reply, "problem talking to the node. please try again later"
[21:39] <NEOatNHNG> so you seem to talk to bots which already have your ref, but you need theirs too? I think thats kind of a bug in the current refbot
[21:39] <vivendi> well, thats what i get the first time i contact a bot. how can they already have my ref?
[21:40] <NEOatNHNG> that is a also well-known problem and is caused if the bot-owner's node is shut down but the bot is stil running
[21:40] <vivendi> oh okay
[21:40] <NEOatNHNG> just try another bot
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[22:12] <TuomasT> Tried it last time couple of years ago. The minute I opened up the "index page" the node stopped responding at localhost:8888 (the menu don't load anymore..)
[22:12] <TuomasT> I *think* connections to localhost:8888 interface should be higher priority than crawling the freenet
[22:13] <TuomasT> Well.. might be a browser connecting limits issue also. But that is a problem in any case.
[22:13] <Bombe> If the web interface stopped responding there should be an exception in your logfiles.
[22:14] <TuomasT> It came back after I some tabs resulted in route not found. I guess that means it was browser issue
[22:14] <Bombe> Yep, very probable.
[22:15] <Bombe> You have to increase connection limits of your browser.
[22:15] <NEOatNHNG> do you work on Windows?
[22:15] <TuomasT> Yes. But while *I* might be able to do this, this is a problem when non technical people use freenet
[22:15] <TuomasT> NEOatNHNG: No
[22:16] <Bombe> TuomasT, might be but there is absolutely _nothing_ we can do about that.
[22:16] <Bombe> Except for telling users how to incrase said limits.
[22:17] <NEOatNHNG> agreed, I wouldn't want to have any app fuddling with my browser configs
[22:18] <Bombe> Well, we could open a multitude of ports and rewrite links to use a random port. That would lighten the problem a bit but in a very sucky way.
[22:20] <TuomasT> Perhaps the node interface could ask firefox to increase the limits to an optimal amount
[22:20] <TuomasT> and then ask user to press "Ok" to that
[22:20] <Nogaso> on the plugins page; "Reload on Startup" means reload from server right?
[22:20] <TuomasT> I had the same problem years ago, different browsers were a bit better/worse, I never found good settings
[22:21] <Bombe> Nogaso, yes.
[22:21] <Nogaso> thanks
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[22:22] <NEOatNHNG> I think there is no way simply telling firefox to increase these values, think about normal websites doing that!
[22:22] <Bombe> Normal websites don't need that.
[22:22] <NEOatNHNG> we would have to edit the config file
[22:24] <Bombe> Well, with Gecko-based browsers it's actually pretty simple. Tell the user to go to about:config and change that one value.
[22:25] <NEOatNHNG> yes, and thats the way to go
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[22:27] <TuomasT> The freenet interface could then by default have a message about that. Though I'm not sure that is the problem. When I added friends and pressed "Add" the thing just froze loading, but I still could open new interface by opening another tab
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[22:38] <TuomasT> All the bots on freenet-refs say "there was a problem connecting to your node" when I give them my references. Does this mean my node doesn't receive the connections to it?
[22:38] <TuomasT> My firewall *should* be properly configured and I can exchange refs with people and that works
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[22:43] <NEOatNHNG> TuomasT, do they say they have problems connecting to _your_ or _the_ node?
[22:44] <TuomasT> NEOatNHNG: They say "There were problems connecting to your node. Not added"
[22:45] <TuomasT> Or something along those lines. The link I give them is fine
[22:45] <NEOatNHNG> you added ?raw to the URL?
[22:45] <TuomasT> This is exactly what they say: "there was a problem talking to the node. Please try again later."
[22:45] <TuomasT> Yeah
[22:46] <NEOatNHNG> that means the node on which the bot runs is shut down, a common problem with botowners not observing the process
[22:47] <TuomasT> I've gotten that with 4 bots so far
[22:47] <NEOatNHNG> maybe an OP should kick those
[22:48] <NEOatNHNG> although i don't know how refbot reacts on kicks
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[22:50] <NEOatNHNG> Jflesch, do you know how refbots react on kicks?
[22:54] <Jflesch> NEOatNHNG: no
[22:55] <NEOatNHNG> Jflesch, maybe we should try *feeling evil today*
[22:56] <NEOatNHNG> No, seriously, many people complain about bots which have no access to their nodes
[22:56] <Jflesch> hm
[22:57] <Jflesch> NEOatNHNG: you should discuss of it with Bombe ; if I'm right, it's him who wrote the refbot
[22:57] <NEOatNHNG> Jflesch, I'll do that
[22:57] <Jflesch> k
[22:58] <NEOatNHNG> Bombe, there where roumours, that you where the author of refbot
[22:59] <NEOatNHNG> as you're not dead (I suppose) s/where the author/are the author^^
[23:02] <TuomasT> Should I change in about:config the max connections or the max connections to a single server?
[23:03] <NEOatNHNG> TuomasT, have a look at this http://blog.peculiarplace.com/2007/08/12/making-firefox-faster/
[23:05] <NEOatNHNG> ToumasT, I wouldn't do the nglayout.initialpaint.delay thing but the others seem sensible
[23:05] <TuomasT> My firefox (very new) didn't even have that. Thanks
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[23:10] <TuomasT> Hmm. I've got the same problem I had several years ago: Even with max connections set up, the node interface doesn't load with many freesite requests going
[23:10] <TuomasT> I guess firefox just isn't ideal for this. closing couple of tabs solved it
[23:10] <NEOatNHNG> TuomasT, may I ask how many?
[23:11] <TuomasT> 4 tabs.. couple with a good amound of picture-slots and the rest were just loading a single freesite
[23:12] <TuomasT> I closed one loading a freesite and then the interface worked again
[23:14] <TuomasT> Browsers just aren't designed for freenet - if I've had some many problems with this the couple of times I've checked freenet then this MUST be a common problem
[23:14] <TuomasT> I think I remember Opera being the best
[23:15] <TuomasT> And this has been with different computers and operating systems.. now using a very modern dual core system with loads of memory and SUN JAVA 1.6
[23:15] <NEOatNHNG> TuomasT, could you activate advanced mode in the config page and then go to the statistics section and check how many threads are running?
[23:16] <TuomasT> NEOatNHNG: No need for advanced mode for than information. 350/500
[23:16] <TuomasT> than/that
[23:18] <TuomasT> Staying between 350 and 450
[23:18] <NEOatNHNG> used memory?
[23:18] <TuomasT> 27.3MiB
[23:19] <NEOatNHNG> but the 450 is before you open the tabs?
[23:19] <TuomasT> If I open a certain page with some 30-50 image slots I can't access the node's interface anymore
[23:20] <TuomasT> So yes, that is without any pages loading
[23:20] <TuomasT> Well it is a Firefox problem, not a problem with the node. If I pop up Opera I can access the interface
[23:21] <TuomasT> But this just proves that changing the connection amounts at about:config is of NO USE
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[23:21] <NEOatNHNG> TuomasT, maybe you could change the thread limit (under node.load in the config, maybe you have to enable advanced mode) to 750 and try again
[23:22] <TuomasT> NEOatNHNG: What would that achieve?
[23:24] <NEOatNHNG> it increases the allowed number of threads (similar to processes), so if thats the problem and the page loads now, we know what caused it
[23:25] <TuomasT> I pumped up the connection amounts at about:config to very large numbers and that fixed the problem
[23:25] <TuomasT> No, I take that back. It didn't
[23:26] <TuomasT> Conclusion: Pumping up firefox connection amounts does not allow firefox to open up large amount of connections. There is some limit.
[23:33] <NEOatNHNG> TuomasT, another site although here I wouldn't disable IPv6 http://www.mepis.org/node/5420
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