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[3:44] <torr> I don't understand freenet,
[3:44] <torr> I have installed it several times in the past, and didn't know what to do with it next...
[3:44] <torr> how is it used?
[3:48] <Pepsico> Have you read the wiki?
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[4:10] <briantumor> hi
[4:10] <briantumor> does freemail actually work?
[4:11] <briantumor> last i remember, i exchanged freemails with toad, but never receive anything
[4:12] <briantumor> so i'm guessing it's better to use [MAILBOX] in frost, huh?
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[4:27] <briantumor> why aren't frost data files encrypted?
[4:27] <briantumor> it seems silly to leave that open
[4:29] <briantumor> i guess freenet is more about securing traffic over network rather than securing stuff locally, huh?
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[9:16] <Bombe> Hmm, in a PutSuccessful message the StartTime and the CompletionTime seem to be in completely different formats. Is that necessary?
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[9:19] <Bombe> Hey, kryptos23.
[9:21] * Bombe thinks about writing some interactive application for freenet but has no real idea what to do.
[9:21] <Bombe> A test insert of a 6-byte file lasted about 30 seconds. That's almost real-time. A chat system would be pretty cool. :)
[9:29] <Bombe> I'm also thinking about a plugin-enable turn-based game platform like the one we had on 0.5 (the name started with "W", I think. Don't remember anymore :).
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[9:48] <nextgens> Bombe> iirc they are in the same format
[9:48] <nextgens> the number of ms since epoch
[9:48] <Bombe> 1192958056573
[9:48] <Bombe> 9223372036854775807
[9:49] <Bombe> They don't really appear to be, those time are about 30 seconds apart.
[9:49] <nextgens> that's weird
[9:49] <Bombe> That's what I said. :)
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[9:52] <nextgens> don't you have some kind of NTP running ?
[9:52] <Bombe> No.
[9:52] <nextgens> I bet that the sysclock has changed
[9:52] <Bombe> What should it have changed to? The year 3000? :)
[9:53] <Bombe> Ah, 9223372036854775807 is Long.MAX_VALUE.
[9:53] <Bombe> Now that means something.
[9:53] <Bombe> (Which makes it the year 2.9 millions AD. ;)
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[13:21] <mykey2> hi
[13:22] <mykey2> so I just installed the freenet soft and while getting freenet.refs my router reconnected - leaving all the gathered refs useless
[13:23] <mykey2> is that normal ? and what can I do to prent that ?
[13:24] <mykey2> to prevent that, I mean
[13:25] <Tommy[D]> why useless?
[13:26] <Tommy[D]> and you know, you have to trade refs, you will only get connections if you add the others ref and he adds yours?
[13:26] <mykey2> everybody disconneted and in the new ref file there was a new IP
[13:27] <Tommy[D]> if you have a new ip it is entered there, yes
[13:28] <mykey2> I know I have to trade - but that's the point - so everytime I get a new IP I will have to collect new refs??
[13:28] <Tommy[D]> but if you and the other people have added each other, they should connect again
[13:31] <aaph> Tommy[D] is this because they exchanged their public keys () ?
[13:31] <aaph> [maybe dumb question, sry)]
[13:32] <mykey2> so - you are saying the IP dos not matter?
[13:33] <Tommy[D]> no, i say, if only your ip changed, your node will know the ip of the other one and can reconnect and after that tell the other nodes your new ip over this connection
[13:34] <mykey2> meaning I can not do anything just wait for them to connect again?
[13:36] <aaph> so if, say, my every other refs changed their ip's and my ip also changed then there's no other way only to 'collect new refs' ?
[13:36] <Tommy[D]> if there where connected before and you are not behind a NAT or similar, yes
[13:37] <mykey2> I am behind a nat but punched the required whole in
[13:37] <aaph> Tommy[D]: that was for mykey2 or for me? )
[13:37] <Tommy[D]> if _every_ ip changed, you need at least one connection with known ip, e.g. 1 new ref, yes, i think so
[13:37] <aaph> uhm
[13:38] <Tommy[D]> aaph, if you have 1 connection, your node can promote his ip to the other nodes and they can reconnect
[13:39] <mykey2> right - so I try to get another and let you know
[13:39] <Tommy[D]> mykey2, did you have connections before?
[13:40] <mykey2> yes - 4 others were connected
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[13:41] <Tommy[D]> they should reconnect, they do for me
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[13:57] <mykey2> since I only just installed they don't seem to do for me - anyway - thank you for your answers and I guess I need more mileage in freenet :)
[13:57] <Tommy[D]> perhaps just add some more or use opennet too
[13:58] <mykey2> ok I will - read u soon :)
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[14:26] <xxxxxxxxxx> I allready do a port forwarding at my router but freenet tells me I am behind a NAT. I cant fix this bug.
[14:26] <xxxxxxxxxx> Any help?
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[14:35] <tornfree> Can anyone here un-ban me from #freenode-refs?
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[15:28] <nextgens> may testers try the build FreenetLogBot is currently building ?
[15:30] <nextgens> tornfree> you're not banned specifically; tor users are banned
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[15:44] <briantumor> nextgens, so what if we use the tor hidden service for freenode?
[15:44] <nextgens> it doesn't change anything, does it ?
[15:44] <nextgens> if you use tor you don't want your ip address to be disclosed
[15:44] <nextgens> so you've no business to do in #freenet-refs.
[15:44] <briantumor> oh ok ^_^
[15:44] <briantumor> not thinking :D
[16:02] <briantumor> does freemail actually work?
[16:02] <briantumor> i seem to never have received any mail, even after i exchanged with toad
[16:03] <briantumor> neither did he
[16:03] <briantumor> does anyone even use it?
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[17:16] <Ice2> do you need to exchannge the refs for opennet?
[17:18] <Tommy[D]> if you have at least one darknet peer and opennet over darknet enabled, no, else at least one peer
[17:19] <Ice2> ok, will it find others automagically?
[17:22] <briantumor> yeah
[17:22] <briantumor> if the people on your darknet have opennet enabled
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[17:23] <Ice2> ok, so i add peers to darknet and it will get peers for openet from them?
[17:23] <briantumor> yeah
[17:23] <Ice2> thx
[17:23] <briantumor> np
[17:23] <briantumor> but you have opennet enabled?
[17:24] <briantumor> do the other people on your network actually need to have opennet enabled for you to get opennet peers?
[17:25] <Ice2> it seems to display large warning that it will connect to strtangers so i guess i enabled it
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[17:29] <briantumor> oh ok
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[17:50] <tornfree> In response to nextgen's statement: Why must the IP address from which I connect to FreeNode necessarily be the IP address of the FreeNet node I wish to put into the network?
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[18:22] <Tommy[D]> nextgens, r15469 is up and running, i dont see any problems with it until now
[18:23] <Tommy[D]> tornfree, why dont you use the ip-address of the node for swapping refs?
[18:30] <briantumor> if i change my override address, from a static ip to a dns.. would my friend nodes update it on their end as well?
[18:32] <briantumor> if they see that i have the same key, and am able to connect to them, shouldn't they do this?
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[18:46] <briantumor> yes, don't answer my questions
[18:46] <briantumor> :D
[18:49] <Tommy[D]> i think, on next reconnect, it will be updated on their end
[18:50] <Tommy[D]> but easiest way: test it ;)
[18:56] <briantumor> how do i do that?
[18:56] <briantumor> i just have one internet line
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[19:24] <Tommy[D]> briantumor, write to one of your peers and ask him, if he can check it with you?
[19:25] <Tommy[D]> or start a second node on another port and connect both together
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[22:10] <SuperPigs> what kind of encryption does freenet use?
[22:11] <SuperPigs> because freenet is like an onion proxy witch makes it impossible to see who is doing what but without encryption it will be garbage because information can be sniffed anyway
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[22:15] <SuperPigs> any1 here or what?
[22:15] <Tom___> mine's http://dark-code.bulix.org/2rqed9-58541?raw
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[22:16] <ShrapExod> anyone?
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[22:22] <shoeyfighter> ShrapExod: What is your question?
[22:23] <ShrapExod> um yeah i was talking in the wrong channel lol
[22:23] <ShrapExod> ignore me :)
[22:23] <ShrapExod> meant to talk in freenet-refs
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