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[0:47] <Selfishly> 1065? is that a build # for v0.7? The page doesnt mention it anywhere...
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[1:16] <devinus> i don't suppose that there's a way to export your friends when you get a new freenet server, eh?
[1:32] <TheSeeker> what do you mean by "new server" ?
[1:33] <TheSeeker> you can install freenet somewhere else then move all your config stuff and have the same peers... but you can't run both at once that way... I don't think.
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[7:32] <Bombe> Good morning!
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[9:58] <gikah> hi is someone who have some time to help me becouse im new here and i have some questions (faq not helping me much :)
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[16:28] <e-head> Hey
[16:29] <e-head> How has freenet developed in the last years? I remember using it several years ago.
[16:29] <e-head> Has it become more popular? Less popular?
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[17:17] <PrototypeX29A> hi
[17:17] <PrototypeX29A> is there documentation on the current routing mechanism?
[17:20] <Bombe> Well, there's a code example... :)
[17:21] <PrototypeX29A> i was afraid of that answer
[17:22] <PrototypeX29A> the sandberg paper in the papers-section is called the "theoretical basis", perhaps i should start there
[17:23] <Bombe> Hmm... afaik the Sandberg-stuff is pre-0.5...
[17:24] <PrototypeX29A> "theoretical basis for the new Darknet routing mechanism employed by freenet 0.7"
[17:24] <Bombe> Guess I was wrong. :)
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[17:25] <PrototypeX29A> looks like, the most part is still undocumented
[17:25] <PrototypeX29A> of freenet
[17:25] <PrototypeX29A> perhaps thats the reason, why it is called a "dark" net :)
[17:26] <Bombe> ;)
[17:32] <PrototypeX29A> what is a "network glitch"?
[17:48] <phrosty> yep, freenet definitely needs protocol/routing docs.
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[17:51] <PrototypeX29A> right now i am looking for software to reverse engineere the package structure
[17:51] <PrototypeX29A> some architectural documentation might be of help to
[17:52] <Bombe> Packages that are exchanged between nodes?
[17:52] <PrototypeX29A> java packages
[17:52] <Bombe> Uhm... what's there to reverse engineer? Freenet is open source, dude.
[17:53] <PrototypeX29A> reverse engineering from java code to uml
[17:53] <Bombe> Have fun, I'm out. ;)
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[17:53] <PrototypeX29A> i dont like source code being the design document
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[18:02] <Bombe> Nobody does but if you have to split your time and efforts between writing a design document and writing the code the code almost always wins. You know how it works.:)
[18:03] <PrototypeX29A> i know why many software projects fail
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[18:11] <PrototypeX29A> i guess the number of people developing the main application is quite limited?
[18:17] <Bombe> That's true.
[18:18] <Bits4F> ... and have a 40 hour work week aside
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[19:16] <mynameisdelete1> what is the best scalability trick you can use for freenet?
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[19:21] <PrototypeX29A> what is a scalability trick?
[19:21] <mynameisdelete1> add more bandwidth
[19:21] <mynameisdelete1> give java more memory
[19:21] <mynameisdelete1> add more cpus
[19:22] <mynameisdelete1> add more peers
[19:22] <PrototypeX29A> and which is the best?
[19:22] <mynameisdelete1> I dont know
[19:22] <mynameisdelete1> thats what I was asking
[19:22] <mynameisdelete1> I have gigabit internet and 3GB ram, and 4 logical cpus
[19:22] <mynameisdelete1> and am happy dedicating a gig of ram to the jvm for freenet
[19:22] <Caco_Patane> mynameisdelete1, what do you spect?
[19:23] <mynameisdelete1> I think with the hardware I have the biggest diff is prob more peers
[19:23] <Caco_Patane> i don't have even 128K/up and less than 10 peers
[19:23] <mynameisdelete1> I'm not sure if increasing java stack size will help a lot
[19:23] <Caco_Patane> and runs pretty fine (p4 with 256ram)
[19:24] <mynameisdelete1> my first 10 or so sites almost feel like I'm doign streight web browser
[19:24] <PrototypeX29A> there should be an easy way to interpret the client
[19:24] <mynameisdelete1> but if I do too many it lags horribly and takes forever to load some stuff
[19:24] <PrototypeX29A> the clients statistics
[19:24] <PrototypeX29A> but i am afraid, there isnt
[19:25] <mynameisdelete1> the big thing I see is lost packets to a few other peers
[19:25] <mynameisdelete1> and a lot of them dont stay connected nicely
[19:25] <mynameisdelete1> I can send a raw iso link if you want to test my bandwidht and see that I really have gigabit internet
[19:26] <PrototypeX29A> i have a lot of "ForwardRejectedOverload" back offs
[19:26] <mynameisdelete1> you'd have to check from a university
[19:26] <mynameisdelete1> or some agency with like an oc192
[19:29] <mynameisdelete1> gigabit and 3GB ram and 5000 thread limit should let me connect to any number of peers I'd think
[19:29] <mynameisdelete1> and there is no resource its using more than 1% of
[19:30] <mynameisdelete1> as far as I can tell
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[19:31] <mynameisdelete1> I think a lot of my peers might really be leafs, and not real peers
[19:31] <mynameisdelete1> and not routing to anything
[19:38] <Caco_Patane> mynameisdelete1, i'm not aware of freenet speed
[19:39] <Caco_Patane> but i never tried more than 15 Kb/s up and 50 Kb/s down
[19:39] <Caco_Patane> neither spect freesites open instantly
[19:40] <Caco_Patane> what about Queue/Thaw downloads?
[19:40] <Caco_Patane> i would like to hear about bandwidth stats
[19:40] <Caco_Patane> what does your Statics page says?
[19:41] <mynameisdelete1> the michael jackson isn't fast
[19:41] <mynameisdelete1> http://localhost:8888/CHK@ZiVGoV3svIYTnqSidpOey-5dy7nyzozCwchvEfUiZC4,Q7djtASdUXttOPEkzu-~k6nwAwStR3SVxaeZV3NPzSU,AAIC--8/Mahalia%20Jackson%20-%20Hark%2c%20The%20Herald%20Angels%20Sing.mp3
[19:42] <mynameisdelete1> I totally unanonymized that download
[19:45] <mynameisdelete1> right now I'm only able to use like 3KB/s average or something
[19:46] <mynameisdelete1> I was hoping to push like a 100K through
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[20:28] <Bombe> Freenet is not built for speed.
[20:30] <NullAcht15> ... still it probably could go a lot faster than it does now if routing and load-balancing were working right
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