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[0:09] <nextgens> DavidCraft> in fact it doesn't
[0:09] <nextgens> we don't route from node to node
[0:09] <nextgens> to sum up :
[0:10] <nextgens> each node has a location (an address) on a circular keyspace
[0:10] <nextgens> each key has got a hash wich "leads" to a location on the keyspace
[0:12] <nextgens> iirc the there is a paper explaining the algorithm on the website
[0:12] <nextgens> http://www.math.chalmers.se/~ossa/swroute.pdf
[0:12] <nextgens> http://freenetproject.org/papers.html
[0:13] <nextgens> locations are "swapped" in between nodes to create a small world topology
[0:14] <nextgens> I'm not sure I'm making sense :/
[0:14] <nextgens> anyway, bbl
[0:15] <nextgens> it's already late here
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[1:23] <DavidCraft> how do i find links to servers on freenet?
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[1:50] <anonymouse> sleon you have the logs now
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[3:57] <boshaus2> is it possible to move my freenet install to another computer without losing all my noderefs and stuff?
[4:05] <railk> yes
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[4:06] <boshaus2> alright, just copy over the directory and all will be well?
[4:06] <railk> pretty much
[4:07] <railk> afaik everything is stored i
[4:07] <railk> gah
[4:07] <railk> *in the freenet directory
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[4:37] <Randan> Anyone else getting insane thread counts latly? I get constantly raising thread counts, leading to things like "Running threads: 1.658". Needless to say the node doesn't survive much longer then one hour.
[4:37] * Randan looks for errors in the logs
[4:40] <Randan> this doesn't seem healthy: "http://dark-code.bulix.org/u8u0pb-27769?raw", but there are more
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[4:41] <Zorix> weird
[4:44] <Randan> Neither the "null" nor the ping time seems ok: "http://dark-code.bulix.org/th1ciq-27770?raw"
[4:45] <Zorix> you running some weird jvm
[4:45] <Randan> sun jvm 1.6.0-b105
[4:46] <Randan> (I don't have IPv6 here, so the error about that does make some sense)
[4:46] <Zorix> interesting
[4:46] <Zorix> im still running 1.5.0
[4:46] <Randan> there are also lots of "Dropping unclaimed from *IP*:*Port*, lived 1h (age):" but I guess thats somewhat normal
[4:47] <Zorix> never seen it
[4:47] <Zorix> but i dont view my logs often because it just works
[4:47] <Zorix> did you change something
[4:47] <Randan> I was running 1.5 until some days ago, guess I will just try with 1.5 again.
[4:48] <Zorix> just launch it with the older java
[4:48] <Randan> yep
[4:48] <Zorix> if you kept the old version
[4:48] <Zorix> ok
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[5:06] <Randan> I get the same errors in the log don't know yet if it helped with the thread issue.
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[5:26] <IMCensored1> woooooooooooooow ... i just checked my node... no one is connected to me
[5:27] <IMCensored1> 3h and 34 minutes ago i lost everyone
[5:27] <Ralith> :P
[5:27] <Ralith> damn
[5:27] <IMCensored1> which coencides with my last crash
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[5:48] <Randan> 1.5 didn't help too much ("Running threads: 835"), but as long as it stays below 1000 it will hopefully not crash. *hopes*
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[8:06] <aquagrunty> huh cool
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[8:08] <aquagrunty> anyone know if there is any way to change the tnp port?
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[9:14] <nextgens> Randan> both errors are "normal"
[9:23] <IMCensored1> any reason why my node wont connect to anyone (and suddenly at that) considering im port forwarded, im not behind any sort of firewall (except the router which i temp disabled and no luck), ive system restarted, and ive clean reinstalled freenet....
[9:24] <Randan> nextgens: ok, but I still don't like "Running threads: 821" :| (although at least it doesn't crash anymore)
[9:29] <nextgens> if you don't like them, send a patch implementing continuations
[9:29] <nextgens> :p
[9:30] <nextgens> IMCensored1> it's hard to tell without seeing logs/packet dumps/...
[9:30] <nextgens> IMCensored1> and you have already wiped out your node ?
[9:30] <IMCensored1> all i have is the old wrapper.log
[9:31] <IMCensored1> i thought i backed up the log folder but most of the logs were missing
[9:31] <nextgens> :<
[9:31] <nextgens> and of course you loose the datastore
[9:32] <IMCensored1> i tried to save the datastore... randan suggested copying and pasting it in... the new node wiped them clean
[9:33] <nextgens> doh
[9:33] <nextgens> next time I suggest you try a full OS reinstallation
[9:33] <nextgens> that would be as efficient
[9:34] * nextgens sulks
[9:34] <nextgens> reinstalling is *stupid*
[9:34] <nextgens> if you were experiencing a bug, we have no way to fix it anymore
[9:35] <nextgens> if you weren't; the datastore is lost for nothing
[9:35] <nextgens> anyway it's just plain stupidity
[9:38] <IMCensored1> heres the end of the wrapper.log ... from 1 hr before the crash that disabled me from connecting to everyone - http://dark-code.bulix.org/lvpubb-27797?raw
[9:39] <IMCensored1> and im still not connecting to anyone ... would that be logged on the new node
[9:39] <IMCensored1> *wouldn't
[9:45] <IMCensored1> Actually... it looks like i have 2/3rds of the cache still intact... it went from a 2 gig file to 1.77 gigs
[9:46] <sleon> DavidCraft: there are now centralized servers on freenet , it is sort of distributed cache
[9:47] <sleon> nextgens: ping
[9:49] <IMCensored1> anyway ... in the future i wont reinstall --- but since the new node started up ... i have it logging - debug
[9:50] <sleon> IMCensored1: of course keep in mind that this circuvalents your privacy :)
[9:50] <sleon> IMCensored1: but it is good for freenet
[9:51] <IMCensored1> well i cant connect to anyone
[9:51] <IMCensored1> so my privacy is cool ATM =P
[9:51] <IMCensored1> about 6 hours ago my node crashed... when it came back up, i couldnt connect to anyone
[9:53] <IMCensored1> im out of ideas
[9:56] <IMCensored1> question:... when my node logging is set to debug... how does that lose my privacy... in the logs or does it send them out somewhere?
[10:02] <sleon> IMCensored1: when you provide logs to someone else
[10:02] <sleon> IMCensored1: he can see what information you really requested
[10:02] <sleon> IMCensored1: and sent yourself
[10:03] <IMCensored1> oh okai... i had my old node on debug... but when i backed up the files... all but two were saved... and they were old
[10:03] <IMCensored1> er
[10:03] <IMCensored1> only 2 were saved
[10:05] <IMCensored1> hmmm node crashed.. unrecoverable
[10:06] <IMCensored1> sleon: what do you make of this http://dark-code.bulix.org/ieoebl-27799?raw ??
[10:07] -Welcome- It just ticked over into the new year in Kiritimati (Christmas Island) about 5 minutes ago, so to everyone there Happy New Year! If you want, please stop by our celebration channel #freenode-newyears :D
[10:22] <sleon> IMCensored1: it is wrapper log whati mean is freenet.log
[10:25] <IMCensored1> i'm about to upload those...
[10:26] <IMCensored1> i think my datastore is corrupt due to the errors im getting
[10:34] <sleon> IMCensored1: ... ok it is possible to find the cause to datastore corruption only when you provide freenet.log files in debug mode
[10:36] <IMCensored1> give me 2 minutes and they'll be uploaded
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[10:54] <IMCensored1> sleon: http://www.finalphaseva.com/imcensored1/2006-12-31/ the latest is uploading... its logging faster than my FTP program can upload so it keeps adding to it
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[11:28] <|Ricky_0|> anybody knows a nice website for usage of xml-rpc of freenet with java?
[11:28] <sleon> IMCensored1: thx
[11:30] <sleon> |Ricky_0|: maybe check wikipage of freenet project
[11:30] <sleon> |Ricky_0|: i am not sure though if it is there
[11:30] <|Ricky_0|> sleon: i had a look therem but didn't find anything :-( google didn't help, too
[11:31] <sleon> |Ricky_0|: try to write an email to the techlist
[11:32] <|Ricky_0|> ok - this is the final step ... I found jflesh online ... perhaps he has informations.
[11:37] <IMCensored1> still no open connections
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[13:47] <CIA-14> jflesch * r11534 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/ (core/MainWindow.java plugins/Console.java): Oops, I forgot to remove an useless 'synchronized' keyword
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[14:42] <_ph00> 5 of my peers have been disconnected since yesterday (11525). they are still disconnetced today (11526), I checked with the ppl who run a couple of them and they were up- I mean at least 2 of 5 disconnected peers were up, yet couldnt connect. I can't forward ports because of my lousy isp but freenet never complained about NATs+
[14:42] <_ph00> gonna try 11535 and repost if they still are disconnected
[14:42] <_ph00> report*
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[15:14] <_ph00> ./update testing keeps fetching 11526
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[15:16] <IMCensored1> 11535 is a thaw update
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[15:26] <_ph00> huh... I guess I should read the whole line instead for the number only...
[15:26] <_ph00> anyways
[15:27] <_ph00> 4 peers still disconnected, of which
[15:27] <_ph00> at least 2 'should' be up
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[15:32] <saces> hi, all.
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[15:55] <Danilo> salve a tutti
[15:56] <PasDNick> Bonjour, Hi, Hallo :)
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[16:26] <cyberdo> strange
[16:27] <cyberdo> oh.. seems like the webserver's down
[16:27] <cyberdo> jhappy new year, everybody
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[16:39] <timmy2chk> mhmm
[16:40] <timmy2chk> the node is backing off lots of peers again
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[16:40] <PasDNick> how are your peers right now? is it peek-hour time again? (got all my peers backed off again)
[16:40] <PasDNick> timmy2chk: hehe ok .. same here ..
[16:41] <timmy2chk> one connected, 20 backed off
[16:41] <PasDNick> i run two nodes, and both are seeing the same 'problem' ..
[16:42] <timmy2chk> wonder what might cause this
[16:43] <PasDNick> this happened yesterday evening too
[16:43] <timmy2chk> yes i know
[16:43] <timmy2chk> if only toad was here
[16:44] <timmy2chk> maybe he had an answer
[16:45] <PasDNick> some recent modifications may have added some sort of 'snowball effect' .. dunno
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[17:18] <PasDNick> Salut ERc :) (Hi ERc)
[17:21] <ERc> hi
[17:23] <PasDNick> it's like you're joining at the wrong moment, ERc :( (from time to time, the network handles some high load, causing all peers to reject queries, as at the moment..)
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[17:44] <x5673456> * bwlimitDelayTime: 2000ms
[17:44] <x5673456> * nodeAveragePingTime: 414ms
[17:44] <x5673456> * networkSizeEstimateSession: 590 nodes
[17:44] <x5673456> * nodeUptime: 1d17h
[17:44] <x5673456> * routingMissDistance: 0.1466
[17:44] <x5673456> * backedOffPercent: 93.6%
[17:44] <x5673456> * pInstantReject: 99.2%
[17:46] <x5673456> node was ok for a few hours earlier but all connected nodes have been backed off for some time. Weird, just fluctuations in load balancing it seems.
[17:50] <Beta_M> Input Rate: 2.57 KiBps (of 120 KiBps) now isn't that a bit low? 2/120?
[17:51] <Beta_M> all my peers are backed off also
[17:51] <Beta_M> q;-/
[17:51] <Beta_M> strange
[17:51] <Beta_M> i do have a theory though
[17:51] <Beta_M> i've noticed the influx of backing off as the number of bookmarks increases
[17:52] <Beta_M> that's probably due to the fact that freenet attempts to check for the next version of the site
[17:52] <Beta_M> of course with some idiot fucking up TPI and people having it in their bookmarks
[17:52] <Beta_M> freenet is flooded with requests for more and more content
[17:52] <Beta_M> these requests are everywhere and are backing everybody up
[17:53] <Beta_M> i mean there were like 100 versions inserted in 2 days
[17:56] <x5673456> yes
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[18:02] <forceflow307> meh all my peers are backed off
[18:09] <x5673456> tell me about it forceflow307, ..... it seems to be improveing a bit over the last few minutes. You are one of my nodes that are not backed off
[18:10] <forceflow307> yay
[18:10] <forceflow307> mines still all pretty much backed off
[18:10] <forceflow307> whats your node name?
[18:11] <PasDNick> same here, for 70 minutes now..
[18:11] <x5673456> Daft-Node
[18:12] <x5673456> My backed off percent has gone down from 93 to 84 and falling. This would seem to be good.
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[18:32] <forceflow307> still backed off........
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[18:42] <Zorix> wonder what is going on
[18:43] <Zorix> wow sanity didnt know who you were until i read your real name on whois
[18:43] <sanity> Zorix: you have thwarted my ingenious plan for anonymity
[18:43] <Zorix> hehe
[18:44] <Zorix> i watched your computer chaos video last night
[18:44] <Zorix> seems a year old
[18:44] <Zorix> but was good
[18:44] <sanity> Zorix: oh? yes, almost exactly a year old
[18:44] <sanity> Zorix: but what we describe is still pretty accurate
[18:44] <Zorix> yes
[18:45] <Zorix> the node location swapping is a really good idea
[18:45] <sanity> Zorix: yeah, that was oskar
[18:45] <Zorix> ah
[18:45] <sanity> Zorix: i came up with the idea that there should be a way to do it, oskar came up with the method :-)
[18:45] <Zorix> very nice
[18:46] <Zorix> was this implemented from the start of 0.7 or added later
[18:46] <sanity> it was really the core idea in 0.7 that distinguished it from what came before
[18:46] <Zorix> i see
[18:47] <sanity> 0.7 was built on a framework i designed for another project called Dijjer
[18:47] <Zorix> oddly enough everything was working good last night now i have all backed off nodes and pages load very slow
[18:47] <Zorix> yea i heard you mentioned that
[18:47] <Zorix> didnt know what it was
[18:47] <sanity> http://dijjer.org/
[18:47] <Zorix> you mentioned it at the same time as firewalls
[18:48] <Zorix> does that work the same way as coral cache?
[18:49] <PasDNick> any idea about current network-wide overload? small implementation problem, or .. conceptual problem? (for 120 mins now, most/all .7 nodes have all their peers backedoff)
[18:49] <sanity> it has similarities to coral cache in the way it interacts with the browser, but the similarity ends there
[18:49] <sanity> overload is a very hard problem
[18:49] <Zorix> ah
[18:49] <sanity> we have been through so many conceptual models for the overload issue that i've lost count of them :-)
[18:49] <PasDNick> :)
[18:50] <sanity> but mrogers has been working on "the solution" since last summer
[18:50] <Zorix> not an easy problem to solve
[18:50] <sanity> he has been working on simulations and stuff
[18:51] <sanity> if you search the mailing lists for emails from mrogers, you can read about his progress
[18:51] <Zorix> ok
[18:51] <Zorix> read about the simulation software that people wrote while google paid them
[18:51] <Zorix> or at least one person wrote that
[18:52] <Zorix> ah it was mrogers
[18:53] <Zorix> do you run a 0.7 node sanity?
[18:53] <sanity> Zorix: occasionally, but i'm traveling right now
[18:53] <Zorix> oh
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[19:15] <bp0> I've installed and connected to about 7 other nodes, and now after a few minutes of running the node, all internet functions stop. I cant visit web pages or join irc and all the connected freenet nodes become disconnected. reseting the cable modem is the only fix. Anyone know what that could be about?
[19:18] <JustMe> Limit your outgoing bandwidth here: http://127.0.0.1:8888/config/
[19:19] <bp0> it is 15k, what should it be?
[19:21] <JustMe> Something less than your connection will handle.
[19:21] <PasDNick> bp0: depends of your internet-line output capacity. should be set to a value a bit smaller than your line output capacity (caution: freenet output bw limit unit is bytes per sec, not bits per sec)
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[19:27] <JustMe> 2/11 backoff is bad right now :(
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[19:29] <_ph00> * Connected: 1
[19:29] <_ph00> * Backed off: 10
[19:29] <_ph00> * Disconnected: 4
[19:29] <_ph00> wtf?
[19:29] <JustMe> 0/12
[19:30] <JustMe> Looks like a DOS _ph00
[19:30] <_ph00> is this an attack,?
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[19:30] <JustMe> I think so.
[19:30] <_ph00> can freenet be DoS's?
[19:31] <JustMe> It happened the other day also _ph00
[19:31] <_ph00> can we track the attacker in some way?
[19:32] <JustMe> 0/11
[19:33] <_ph00> 0/10 right now
[19:34] <JustMe> We tried disabling certain nodes that were not 100% trusted the other time and it seemed to work but not today.
[19:36] <CIA-14> jflesch * r11536 /trunk/apps/Thaw/ (18 files in 6 dirs): Adding various buttons to the index toolbar
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[19:37] <forceflow307> is the same thing happeneing again?
[19:37] <JustMe> forceflow307: It is here.
[19:37] <_ph00> wI already deleted all my stranger peers, all I have now are ppl I "know" (as you can know each other on irc)
[19:37] <forceflow307> does anyone have any ideas on whats going on?
[19:38] <JustMe> Same here _ph00 except I just disabled them.
[19:38] <_ph00> looks like a DoS, but the question is "how" is it don
[19:38] <_ph00> and if where it's intentional
[19:38] <forceflow307> yeah
[19:38] <_ph00> I decided to delete them inipendently from this thing
[19:40] <forceflow307> Beta_M was talking earlier about popular freesites getting updated very quickly and repetitively as a theory of what might be a cause
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[19:40] <Zorix> how do you stop this attack
[19:40] <bpZero> um, that was the worst yet
[19:41] <forceflow307> meh just making conversation:)
[19:41] <forceflow307> i dont think for myself anyways
[19:41] <forceflow307> obviously
[19:41] <forceflow307> yeah ive been backed off most of the morning
[19:42] <Zorix> no way to stop this i suppose
[19:42] <forceflow307> so theoretically, could a peer have run a bunch of bots in the irc channel over a long period of time, collecting nodes
[19:42] <_ph00> I want more peers but I'm not adding perfect strangers any more, only those I "know" somewhat on the internet
[19:42] <_ph00> on the other hand, the probability of being 'bad' guys is the same
[19:42] <_ph00> updating too often?
[19:42] <forceflow307> and jsut started flooding the network with crap?
[19:42] <_ph00> updating too often, many popular freesites at the same time?
[19:42] <_ph00> 2 of 11 are back up
[19:42] <forceflow307> something to do with TPI getting vandalized
[19:43] <forceflow307> and then it getting fixed
[19:43] <forceflow307> back and forth like that
[19:44] <JustMe> It all started with the Frost MOD then TPI and now this.
[19:45] <JustMe> Error: Not enough data found; some data was fetched but redirect may point to nowhere
[19:45] <JustMe> From the latest TPI
[19:46] <JustMe> but I just restarted.
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[19:47] <forceflow307> so how are they vandalizing TPI again? im not sure i understand that
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[19:47] <Zorix> by using the private key to insert new editions
[19:48] <JustMe> If we remove it from bookmarks would that help?
[19:48] <forceflow307> yeah, i know that, but howd they get the private key?
[19:48] <forceflow307> that is worrying
[19:48] <_ph00> JustMe: did restarting change anything?
[19:49] <JustMe> I think it's private key was made public.
[19:49] <JustMe> No _ph00
[19:50] <_ph00> I have 1 connected 9 backed of and one switching back and forth
[19:50] <_ph00> off*
[19:50] <JustMe> TPI is at edition 333 here now.
[19:50] <bpZero> TPI?
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[19:51] <JustMe> Yes.
[19:51] <_ph00> The Phreeenet Index ?
[19:52] <JustMe> TPI: The Public INDEX.7
[19:52] <bp0> ic
[19:52] <JustMe> USK@60I8H8HinpgZSOuTSD66AVlIFAy-xsppFr0YCzCar7c,NzdivUGCGOdlgngOGRbbKDNfSCnjI0FXjHLzJM4xkJ4,AQABAAE/index/333/
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[19:53] <agf> hello, all my peers are reported as busy in the darknet page, what does this mean?
[19:53] <JustMe> agf: we are having a problem with flooding or something right now.
[19:53] <_ph00> Public, OK. I knew TPI was an index but I didn't remember what the P stood for
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[19:55] <Zorix> public?
[19:55] <_ph00> yes public
[19:55] <_ph00> not phreeenet
[19:57] <_ph00> Randan: our nodes are disconnected
[20:00] <Zorix> any way to tell where most of the traffic is coming from certain connected nodes
[20:00] <Zorix> and disconnect them for a while
[20:00] <Zorix> so that requests arent getting bounced around like mad
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[20:09] <_ph00> I have 1 connected peer
[20:09] <_ph00> and 3 backed off
[20:09] <_ph00> all mothers: disabled
[20:09] <_ph00> others
[20:09] <_ph00> hehe
[20:09] <_ph00> mothers: disabled?
[20:09] <_ph00> :P
[20:10] <_ph00> whoopee! *all* backed off now
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[20:11] <_ph00> hey all of you guys with lots of backed offs: what r are you running? (/me: 11526)
[20:12] <timmy2chk> 11526
[20:13] <timmy2chk> with 11525 its the same
[20:13] <horatius> 11515
[20:14] <JustMe> r11515
[20:14] <_ph00> ok I have one guy on another channel who's running 11515 and reposts having 8 connected and 8 backed off
[20:14] <_ph00> I'm on 11526
[20:14] <CIA-14> jflesch * r11537 /trunk/apps/Thaw/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Changing icons the index tree
[20:15] <_ph00> but it lookos like someone have the problem on 11515 too,
[20:15] <Zorix> yea im 11515 witl all backed off
[20:15] <JustMe> r11515 Here
[20:15] <Zorix> hey JustMe, looks like you killed the link to me some time ago
[20:16] <JustMe> Let me check.
[20:19] <_ph00> yay! all backed off again
[20:36] <JustMe> My location has changed from the area it has been for a long time.
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[20:39] <Bardamu> hello
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[20:45] <forceflow307> hi
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[21:00] <Zorix> looks like the flood is over
[21:00] <Zorix> nm
[21:01] <Zorix> maybe my node just restarted
[21:01] <timmy2chk> seems to get better here
[21:02] <timmy2chk> a bit
[21:02] <JustMe> They are probably watching here and start flooding when we say something like that. ;)
[21:02] <Zorix> lol
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[21:02] <Zorix> they will get bored eventually
[21:03] <JustMe> Probably.
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[21:03] <Zorix> because they arent really killing freenet just making it slow
[21:07] <JustMe> I still think it may be the same ones behind the Frost and TPI things. Some bored person.
[21:07] <IMCensored1> well it was killed for me... for a period of almost exactly 12 hours... i could not connect to any peers....
[21:13] <CIA-14> jflesch * r11538 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/plugins/index/ (FileManagementHelper.java Index.java): Fix the file key computation button in the toolbar
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[21:16] <Zorix> yea im backed off again
[21:16] <Zorix> so is thaw any good
[21:16] <IMCensored1> go figure
[21:16] <Zorix> ive really never needed it but i have used fuqid in the past
[21:20] <JustMe> Thaw is good except it is missing a feature. The don,t check local node when downloading. It's very useful to see if your insert went well.
[21:21] <Zorix> hmm
[21:23] <IMCensored1> as soon as i mentioned that ... 2 go backof and 2 disconnect
[21:24] <anonymouse> well i'm logging at DEBUG level
[21:24] <anonymouse> so if there's anything that can be learned from that...
[21:25] <Zorix> hmm
[21:28] <Jflesch_> JustMe: if the file chunks are in your data store, they are available for the other nodes, so why using the "don't check local node" option would be usefull ?
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[21:28] <Jflesch_> JustMe: anyway, as far as I know, when you insert sometime, it's not stored in the local data store (or only some few chunks)
[21:29] <Jflesch_> s/sometime/something/
[21:29] <anonymouse> additionally, i'm not sure that those features work the same in the 0.7 fuqid
[21:29] <JustMe> Jflesch: Because I know they are on other nodes not just mine.
[21:29] <IMCensored1> im logging on debug level too
[21:30] <anonymouse> bunches of it seem to be lobotomized because of the 0.7 changes; bringing the queue into the node
[21:30] <Jflesch_> JustMe: as I said, it would be really really really really surprising that an inserted file ends mostly only in your datastore
[21:31] <Zorix> why not check local datastore first to save time then
[21:31] <anonymouse> why is there a 100 request ceiling
[21:31] <anonymouse> that seems small
[21:31] <JustMe> I understand. It's just a simple test though and a feature I liked.
[21:31] <anonymouse> and mine is pegged at 100 right now with all the back off
[21:32] <Jflesch_> Zorix: ?
[21:32] <Zorix> same here anonymouse
[21:32] <Zorix> Jflesch_, if you are downloading and not checking the local datastore for pieces wouldnt that waste time and bandwidth?
[21:32] <Jflesch_> JustMe: I will discuss with toad when he will come back, just to be sure that it can't happen. If it does, then I will implement it, else I won't
[21:33] <Jflesch_> Zorix: ? hem ... when you're downloading sometime, the first think checked is the local datastore
[21:33] <Zorix> thats what i thought would be logical..
[21:33] <Jflesch_> Zorix: JustMe was speaking about ignoring the local data store to be sure that the data are coming from some other node
[21:33] <Zorix> ah
[21:33] <Jflesch_> s/sometime/something/
[21:35] <Jflesch_> (don't ask me why I'm writting 'sometime' instead of 'something' .... :/)
[21:35] <Zorix> hehe
[21:35] <Zorix> thaw looks interesting
[21:36] <Jflesch_> Zorix: of course ! It's my creation ! (</I'm kidding>)
[21:36] <Jflesch_> :)
[21:36] <Zorix> i know it is, i recognize your name hehe
[21:36] <Zorix> whats the difference between the testing one and the other
[21:37] <Jflesch_> Zorix: the testing version is the developpement version
[21:37] <Jflesch_> the other one is the latest stable version (0.6.1)
[21:37] <Zorix> i figured that much
[21:37] <Jflesch_> Zorix: you can try the devel version if you want: it should be quite stable at the moment
[21:37] <Zorix> thats what i wanted to hear :P
[21:37] <Jflesch_> :)
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[21:43] <Zorix> very interesting
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[21:53] <Jflesch> I HATE FREENODE
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[21:54] <Zorix> lol
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[22:10] <yiffraptr> hi
[22:11] <yiffraptr> Is the high number of busy nodes in the darknet normal with this version of freenet?
[22:12] <Ralith> no idea.
[22:12] <yiffraptr> its a Ralith :)
[22:13] <Ralith> where? >_>
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[23:35] <MikeW> Hey guys
[23:36] <MikeW> So was it an attack the other night?
[23:37] <timmy2chk> the problem is still existing
[23:41] <Zorix> do any of the devs know about it
[23:43] <timmy2chk> no idea
[23:43] <timmy2chk> sleon knows
[23:43] <Zorix> this is probably difficult to avoid
[23:45] <timmy2chk> do you know when toad will be back?
[23:47] <Zorix> hope soon
[23:47] <Zorix> his node is up
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