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[0:05] <IMCensored1> hmm all but 2 are backed off... on my end
[0:05] <IMCensored1> and i lost connection with 2
[0:06] <IMCensored1> one 8 hrs ago and 1 2 hrs ago
[0:07] <IMCensored1> so im 2/9/0/0/4
[0:17] <IMCensored1> i agree and have shut down...
[0:21] <anonymouse> if it's a data bomb, then a few of us shutting down our nodes isn't going to make a very grand difference
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[0:22] <IMCensored1> it'll save my node
[0:23] <IMCensored1> 's datastore
[0:23] <IMCensored1> and if should go to the begining of that
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[0:23] <anonymouse> is the datastore in the "database" subdir?
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[0:26] <IMCensored1> anonymouse: ya
[0:26] <anonymouse> then judging by the modified date, i wouldn't say anything terrible is going on in there
[0:26] <anonymouse> i'm actually nowhere near my storage quota even
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[0:47] <sleon> dammit, someone inserted childporn again as mein index :|
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[0:47] <Randan> sleon: what is the current edition number of TPI?
[0:48] <sleon> 92
[0:48] <MikeW> sleon: It's possible to superceed a page someone else owns?
[0:49] <Ralith> sleon, hey, you know what's going on with the DDoS?
[0:49] <sleon> MikeW: superceed?
[0:49] <IMCensored1> seems like all of us are having the same *issues*
[0:49] <sleon> Ralith: DDoS ?
[0:49] <sleon> what do you mean ?
[0:49] <Ralith> everyone's peers are all backed off
[0:49] * sleon was away for 5 hours
[0:49] <Randan> sleon: I mean the last inserted, not the last good one. I have 98 here, which is like ... not nice.
[0:49] <Ralith> and everyone's node is using full outbound bandwidth
[0:49] <sleon> aaa same here
[0:50] <sleon> no idea Ralith
[0:50] <sleon> Randan:
[0:50] <Ralith> :/
[0:50] <Ralith> this needs fixing ASAP.
[0:50] <x543266> and here.....
[0:50] <IMCensored1> before i shutdown ... i was 1/10
[0:50] <Ralith> I've shut down my node in case we're being flooded with hostile content which would drop everything else off the network
[0:50] <sleon> Ralith: good idea
[0:50] * desz is now known as desz_away
[0:51] <sleon> Ralith: or you could insert some nice content
[0:51] <Ralith> sleon, me inserting a little good stuff wouldn't remotely make up for this torrent of bad stuff :P
[0:51] <IMCensored1> =P
[0:51] <Ralith> I'd have to have an archive of all of freenet, and huge amounts of outbound bandwidth
[0:51] <sleon> Ralith: i have 2 non backed off now
[0:51] <Ralith> that's promising
[0:51] <Ralith> btw
[0:52] <Ralith> what, exactly, does backed off mean as far as your node's concerned?
[0:52] <Ralith> can you still pass data to/get data from backed off nodes, just in a decreased capacity?
[0:52] <sleon> Ralith: that it does not accepts new requests from you
[0:52] <Ralith> ah.
[0:52] <sleon> Ralith: you can only receive when they send something to you
[0:52] <sleon> Ralith: and you do not back them off
[0:52] <Ralith> and are they likely to send anything?
[0:53] <sleon> Ralith: sometimes yes
[0:54] <Randan> Ralith: they are allowed to request stuff from you so it depends on the load on that node afaik.
[0:54] <sleon> Ralith: at least they exchange keep alive packets
[0:54] <Ralith> mmf.
[0:55] <Ralith> sleon, so, any idea what can be done about this DDoS?
[0:55] <sleon> Ralith: ground another darknet
[0:55] <sleon> Ralith: where peers are real friends of you
[0:55] <sleon> Ralith: and not as chaotic as now
[0:55] <PasDNick> Ralith: you sure it's a ddos, and not a 'normal' peek-hour traffic increase?
[0:55] <sleon> Ralith: it could be also some bug in load balancing algo
[0:56] <Ralith> PasDNick, that wouldn't effect everyone quite this badly
[0:56] <Ralith> sleon, didn't think of that, but why would it show up now, instead of when 1009 was released?
[0:56] <Ralith> also, I would hope there's some way to save freenet as a whole if it really is a hostile attack
[0:56] <sleon> Ralith: maybe it needed some time to deadlock , although it is quite impossible :)
[0:56] <sleon> Ralith: you are right
[0:57] <sleon> it looks also as DDos to me
[0:57] <sleon> first they hit frost now freenet
[0:57] <sleon> hmm
[0:57] <sleon> lets wait for toad and co.
[0:57] <IMCensored1> this would be the perfect time
[0:57] <IMCensored1> toad is on vacation
[0:57] <IMCensored1> right?
[0:57] <x543266> could be freenet has been mentiond on some news channel or something and a load of new nodes have started up. Never hurts to back up data anyway.
[0:58] <sleon> x543266: nono, we were slashdoted many times
[0:58] <Randan> x543266: In that case we should see increased usage of freenet-refs too
[0:58] <sleon> x543266: it never caused that effect
[0:58] <x543266> rgr
[0:58] <sleon> also when you look at TPI
[0:58] <sleon> it is at number 331
[0:58] <sleon> today morning it was 131
[0:58] <x543266> lol yeah.
[0:58] <IMCensored1> thats all ive been reading about all day in here is TPI
[0:58] <sleon> and yesterday it was 92
[0:59] <Ralith> sleon, IMCensored's right, isn't toad gunna be gone until after new years?
[0:59] <x543266> :(
[0:59] <Ralith> sleon, in reply to TPI stuff: wow, heh
[0:59] <PasDNick> couldn't the automated bookmarks update process cause this traffic increase? (i mean by fetching and re-fetching new 'editions' of TPI?
[0:59] <sleon> so i think somone is playing with freenet
[0:59] <Ralith> hey
[0:59] <sleon> PasDNick: nono
[0:59] <Ralith> hm
[0:59] <Ralith> PasDNick, I don't think that actually grabs the page
[0:59] <sleon> the problem is : we have CCC Congress in germany right now
[0:59] <sleon> it could come from them
[1:00] <Ralith> besides, I doubt most people have TPI bookmarked
[1:00] <Ralith> sleon, O.o what?
[1:00] <sleon> Chaos Comunications Congresss
[1:00] <sleon> hackers meeting
[1:00] <sleon> freenet was presented on the last one
[1:00] <PasDNick> Ralith: (bookmarks) ok .. thought it was a default bookmark.
[1:00] <sleon> it hapens every year in berlin
[1:00] <Ralith> hm
[1:00] <Ralith> PasDNick, don't think so
[1:00] <sleon> TPI is a default booknmark
[1:00] <Randan> Ralith: Isn't it one of the default bookmarks? And the automatic updating does fetch the site to see if its reachable.
[1:00] <Ralith> guess I'm wrong
[1:01] <Ralith> ok, in that case, PasDNick's point is valid
[1:01] <IMCensored1> why would CCC wanna take down freenet
[1:01] <Ralith> IMCensored1, to show that it could be done?
[1:01] <sleon> IMCensored1: to show its vulnerabilities
[1:01] <sleon> to make devels rethink
[1:01] <Ralith> better now than when some guy in china's orchestrating a revolt with it :P
[1:01] <sleon> same was done with frost
[1:01] <sleon> and it was fixed quick
[1:01] <IMCensored1> TPI isnt a default AFAIK ... mine only came with Indicia
[1:01] <Ralith> yeah
[1:01] <Ralith> there are nicer ways to do it, but :P
[1:02] <sleon> IMCensored1: oh ok :)
[1:02] <sleon> IMCensored1: i have very old node :)
[1:02] <IMCensored1> my node started at 990
[1:02] <sleon> and then a<ll big hacks happen between christmas time and happy new year
[1:02] <Ralith> which is right when toad's gone >.<
[1:02] <Randan> IMCensored1: Depends on when you installed. When I installed indicia wasn't on the list but TPI and the unmaintained one. It changed with the time.
[1:03] <Ralith> sleon, think I should try bringing my node up w/o bookmarks?
[1:03] <Ralith> or even just w/o tpi?
[1:03] <sleon> Ralith: it will bring nothing
[1:03] <IMCensored1> Ralith: well im having the problem... and i only have indicia bookmarked
[1:03] <Ralith> IMCensored1, but the thing is, it's not you, it's all yer peers and their peers and so on
[1:03] <sleon> the best thing is again: to ground a new darknet
[1:04] <Ralith> everyone requesting the file constantly
[1:04] <sleon> when it is not publicly harvestable then the dos would be much much harder
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[1:04] <IMCensored1> true
[1:04] <IMCensored1> but unloading your bookmarks will still have that too then
[1:04] <sleon> because they will simply get backed offed from all their entry points
[1:04] <sleon> Ralith: it does not matter
[1:05] <sleon> Ralith: it is sooooo minimal
[1:05] <sleon> Ralith: frost produces 30 times more traffik
[1:05] <sleon> it is nothing
[1:05] <PasDNick> IMCensored1: with what outbound bandwidth limit? (my node has 12 connected peers, plus 8 backed off, with about 16KB/s outbound traffic) (can't all those backed off peers just hava a bw limit lower than peek-hour traffic?)
[1:05] <sleon> also node checks for updates ofr example
[1:05] <Ralith> sleon, ah
[1:06] <Ralith> sleon, the challenge is putting together a new darknet that actually has significant size
[1:06] <sleon> Ralith: and is really dark
[1:07] <sleon> # nserts: 31
[1:07] <sleon> # Requests: 76
[1:07] <IMCensored1> PasDNick: these were my stats after 2 minutes uptime
[1:07] <IMCensored1> # Payload Output: 113 KiB (1.02 KiBps) (37%)
[1:07] <IMCensored1> # Total Input: 265 KiB (2.39 KiBps)
[1:07] <IMCensored1> # Output Rate: 3.36 KiBps (of 400 KiBps)
[1:07] <sleon> looks like someone doing some noce job
[1:07] <sleon> preatty high treaffik
[1:07] <IMCensored1> my payload was shit... my input was high as hell
[1:08] <sleon> ok now i am connected to 3 nodes
[1:08] <Randan> I get between 40 and 60KB/s here, both in- and output.
[1:08] <Randan> payload is 80%, the node isn't used, jsut forwarding stuff.
[1:08] <sleon> # Output Rate: 8.05 KiBps (of 292 KiBps)
[1:08] <Ralith> I'm willing to try forming a new darknet
[1:08] <sleon> # Input Rate: 9.59 KiBps (of 125 KiBps)
[1:09] <sleon> hmm
[1:09] <sleon> i suggest to wait
[1:09] <IMCensored1> you know what would suck... if this was some sort of datastorage virii/worm and would keep propogating as long as just one node had it in their datastore...
[1:09] <Ralith> but only as a last resort :P
[1:09] * desz_away is now known as desz
[1:09] <IMCensored1> Ralith: i agree
[1:09] <sleon> lets wait another night
[1:09] <Ralith> IMCensored1, cache data is nonexecutable so :P
[1:10] <Ralith> 'kay
[1:10] <sleon> it is very important to see how such things affect freenet
[1:10] <Ralith> should I leave my node down?
[1:10] <sleon> and we will see how much good data is still there
[1:10] <sleon> Ralith: bring it up!
[1:10] <sleon> Ralith: :)
[1:10] <IMCensored1> bringing mine back online
[1:10] <desz> Bringing mine online, too, then.
[1:10] <IMCensored1> im on latest testing right now
[1:10] <sleon> remember we are still alpha
[1:10] <Randan> I am back down to 50% backoff, anyone else seeing improvements?
[1:11] <sleon> i have also 50%
[1:11] <sleon> # nserts: 30
[1:11] <sleon> # Requests: 84
[1:11] <sleon> how many inserts requests do you have guys?
[1:11] <Ralith> sleon, 'kay
[1:12] <x543266> * Inserts: 17
[1:12] <x543266> * Requests: 31
[1:12] <x543266> * Transferring Requests: 16
[1:12] <Randan> 1=Inserts: 46, 2=Inserts: 32
[1:12] <x543266> Connected 14 out of 27 nodes
[1:12] <sleon> x543266: nice
[1:12] <Randan> 1=Transferring Requests: 9 2=Transferring Requests: 20
[1:12] * PasDNick has Inserts: 30 Requests: 90 Transferring Requests: 11 Connected 10 Backed off 9
[1:13] <IMCensored1> Total Input: 363 KiB (4.65 KiBps)
[1:13] <Randan> 1=14/12, 2=17/17 connected/backedoff
[1:13] <IMCensored1> after 1 minute uptime
[1:13] <sleon> wow
[1:13] <sleon> i do not have soooo many connections as you guys
[1:13] <IMCensored1> 1/10
[1:14] * yiffraptr (n=anon@) Quit ()
[1:14] <sleon> i have something like 8 24/7 peers
[1:14] <PasDNick> Total Output: 3.93 GiB (15.9 KiBps) Total Input: 3.56 GiB (14.4 KiBps) with nodeUptime: 2d23h
[1:14] <sleon> and what are the network size estimates ?
[1:14] <sleon> # networkSizeEstimateSession: 859 nodes
[1:14] <sleon> # networkSizeEstimateRecent: 635 nodes
[1:14] <IMCensored1> i have 15 24/7 peers... but i cant connect to 2 anymore (been 2 + days) although both are on IRC... and i lost 2 today... both also on IRC
[1:14] <sleon> # nodeUptime: 6d9h
[1:15] <IMCensored1> i wish my node could be up 6days
[1:15] <PasDNick> networkSizeEstimateSession: 699 nodes (nodeUptime: 2d23h) 10 connected, 9 backed off
[1:15] <IMCensored1> # networkSizeEstimateSession: 199 nodes
[1:15] <IMCensored1> # nodeUptime: 4m6s
[1:16] * JustMe Disables all except trusted nodes nodes.
[1:16] <IMCensored1> # Inserts: 12
[1:16] <IMCensored1> # Requests: 88
[1:16] <Randan> 1=387 nodes with 22m57s uptime, 2=431 nodes with 2h9m
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[1:17] <anonymouse> ok so
[1:18] <anonymouse> we don't know what caused it.. and it is just "getting better" now?
[1:18] <anonymouse> guessing we ought to save our log files from this time period
[1:18] <sleon> yea :)
[1:18] <sleon> although i doubt it would be possible to find out who was it :)
[1:19] <sleon> because it is the point of freenet to hide it
[1:19] <Ralith> if it's stopping I think it's prolly a glitch
[1:19] <anonymouse> not who.. trying to find out what caused it
[1:19] <sleon> yea
[1:19] <sleon> i think saving logs is a good idea
[1:19] <sleon> meabye even increase verbosity
[1:20] <Ralith> wow
[1:20] <Ralith> 7/3
[1:20] <Ralith> all but healthy again
[1:20] <Ralith> weird.
[1:20] <anonymouse> mine are never backed off at all
[1:20] <anonymouse> (usual case)
[1:20] <Ralith> I think it started some time last night
[1:20] <Ralith> I remember games lagging a lot :P
[1:20] <anonymouse> yet now, i still have about half
[1:20] <Ralith> (I have a really high upload limit)
[1:20] <Ralith> glad the net's ok though
[1:21] <Ralith> it'd suck to have to rebuild from the ground up
[1:21] <IMCensored1> how would we create a new darknet? (if we ever had to)
[1:22] <forceflow307> with the tears of our failures
[1:22] <forceflow307> and bunnies
[1:23] <forceflow307> FUCK its spiking again for me
[1:23] <forceflow307> ok....maybe i overreacted....
[1:23] * timmy2chk (n=violent@) Quit ()
[1:24] * anonymouse turns up logging to DEBUG; goes to eat
[1:25] <Ralith> IMCensored1, ust find peers you trust
[1:25] <Ralith> and don't use anyone else
[1:26] <forceflow307> but this would still happen...unless your group of trusted people was cut off from the rest of the net...
[1:26] <IMCensored1> that would seem like a pain in the ass to have to do... to get everyone on the new darknet and all the old filtered out
[1:26] <Ralith> the idea is you start over
[1:26] <Ralith> everyone only adds trusted people
[1:26] <Ralith> it'd be sucky and small but it'd be better than nothing
[1:26] <forceflow307> meh, user error would come into it too much
[1:27] <forceflow307> all it takes is one moron....
[1:27] <forceflow307> :)
[1:27] <IMCensored1> i think that would be counter-productive
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[1:27] <forceflow307> theres gotta be a workaround for this
[1:28] <Ralith> it's gone now anyway
[1:30] <forceflow307> what's gone?
[1:30] <forceflow307> well it's not as bad for me anymore
[1:31] <IMCensored1> im still mostly backed off
[1:31] <IMCensored1> and my xfer is still jacked high
[1:32] <forceflow307> yeah my xfer is still fn high too but iim not backed off as much
[1:32] <forceflow307> although
[1:32] <forceflow307> if this attack was erasing data on freenet
[1:32] <forceflow307> wait never mind
[1:32] <forceflow307> didnt think that one through:)
[1:33] <forceflow307> so wheres _ph00 at?
[1:38] <Ralith> output's up a bit but nothing nasty
[1:38] <Ralith> and I've got 8 connected
[1:38] * x543266 (n=tony@) Quit ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12")
[1:39] <sleon> # Inserts: 23
[1:39] <sleon> # Requests: 100
[1:40] <sleon> is not getting better here
[1:40] <forceflow307> still wonderin what's goin on though
[1:40] <forceflow307> mine got somewhat better
[1:40] <forceflow307> im not at 0/10 anymore lol
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[1:40] <forceflow307> 6/3 now
[1:41] <Randan> could it be that all the backed off nodes aren't really hitting their capacity limit but simply the max running request limit of 100?
[1:41] <JustMe> 6/3
[1:41] <Randan> Up to now that limit wasn't a problem, but with the recent changes to loadlimiting the load on the network increased perhaps enough to let nodes hit that limit.
[1:42] <forceflow307> i was hitting my capacity i dont know about anyone else......
[1:42] <sleon> # Inserts: 20
[1:42] <sleon> # Requests: 101
[1:42] <sleon> :P
[1:42] <sleon> i never hit my bw capacity
[1:42] <sleon> it is set to 10mbit up and down
[1:42] <Randan> I am hitting the request limit on both nodes.
[1:42] <forceflow307> lol well maybe i should up mine then......;)
[1:43] <IMCensored1> i/o keeps going up
[1:44] <IMCensored1> inserts / requests down
[1:44] <IMCensored1> # Inserts: 3
[1:44] <IMCensored1> # Requests: 5
[1:44] <JustMe> # nserts: 17
[1:44] <JustMe> # Requests: 37
[1:44] * TheBishop_ (n=bishop@) Quit (Remote closed the connection)
[1:45] <x564224> * Inserts: 4
[1:45] <x564224> * Requests: 28
[1:45] <x564224> * Transferring Requests: 3
[1:45] <x564224> 14 out of 27 connected
[1:45] <IMCensored1> # Total Output: 20.4 MiB (91.0 KiBps)
[1:45] <IMCensored1> # Payload Output: 16.0 MiB (88.66 KiBps) (78%)
[1:45] <IMCensored1> # Total Input: 19.7 MiB (90.6 KiBps)
[1:45] <IMCensored1> # Output Rate: 99.3 KiBps (of 400 KiBps)
[1:45] <IMCensored1> # Input Rate: 98.9 KiBps (of 400 KiBps)
[1:46] <Randan> with 5 requests running? what the hell is the node sending and receiving?
[1:46] <x564224> for some reason forceflow307, our nodes have never connected.
[1:46] <sleon> hahaha
[1:46] <sleon> i found out which peers were sending all that stuff
[1:46] <sleon> i disabled them
[1:46] <sleon> now rquests are sinking
[1:47] <IMCensored1> i dunno.. - imma restart
[1:47] <forceflow307> x564224, i dont remember adding you :p
[1:47] <x564224> :) ahhhhhh..... I remember though...:)
[1:47] <forceflow307> lol can you send me your ref again?
[1:48] <forceflow307> sleon howd you find out which peers were sending it?
[1:49] <x564224> a bit naughty on this channel but here... http://dark-code.bulix.org/710ish-27612?raw
[1:49] <Randan> sleon: could you give a hint towards the nodenames?
[1:50] <forceflow307> we're all naughty here
[1:50] <forceflow307> :)
[1:50] <anonymouse> sleon so the mystery is solved?
[1:50] <x564224> :)
[1:50] <anonymouse> i.e. i don't have to log a crapload of stuff?
[1:50] <forceflow307> youre added
[1:51] <sleon> forceflow307: because they were connected and others were backed off all the time
[1:51] <sleon> that means i get data from them and send it to other peers
[1:52] <sleon> and they get overloaded and back me off
[1:52] <sleon> anonymouse: i am not sure
[1:52] <anonymouse> sleon well i will go ahead and log, then
[1:52] <sleon> that nodes are innocent thought they get simply crapload of stuff and resend it
[1:52] <forceflow307> sleon: but what if those people are just the ones with enough bandwidth and everything to handle the requests?
[1:53] <sleon> forceflow307: ok maybe you are right again :)
[1:53] <forceflow307> sleon: it is a rare occurance;) but i think i might be, i dont know, how is it working for you now?
[1:54] <sleon> # Output Rate: 20.1 KiBps (of 292 KiBps)
[1:54] <sleon> # Input Rate: 21.6 KiBps (of 125 KiBps)
[1:54] <sleon> after i eanbled them
[1:54] <sleon> backed off peers will stay long backed off
[1:54] <sleon> i disable active ones again then restart node and lets see :))
[1:55] <forceflow307> :) and pray
[1:55] <forceflow307> to my heathen gods
[1:55] * Randan suspects that his nodes are causing massive traffic for some nodes for example. (52.4KB/s and 62.1kb/s right now)
[1:56] <Randan> one of them isn't even used for anything, the other one is running one single insert
[1:57] <forceflow307> wow
[1:57] <sleon> interesting
[1:57] <sleon> i got now 4 connected and 1 backed off
[1:57] <sleon> but the traqffik is the same!
[1:57] * Randan suspects that IMCensored1's node is even worse
[1:58] <forceflow307> this is verrrrrrrry odd
[1:58] <forceflow307> my traffic is staying steady
[1:59] <forceflow307> HOLY SHIT
[2:00] <forceflow307> 0/10 again
[2:00] <forceflow307> Output Rate: 45.3 KiBps (of 30.0 KiBps)
[2:00] <forceflow307> that doesnt seem right....
[2:00] <sleon> # Output Rate: 6.58 KiBps (of 292 KiBps)
[2:00] <sleon> # Input Rate: 7.43 KiBps (of 125 KiBps)
[2:01] <forceflow307> my badnwidth is having surges now
[2:01] <IMCensored1> # nserts: 6
[2:01] <IMCensored1> # Requests: 21
[2:01] <IMCensored1> # Output Rate: 20.4 KiBps (of 400 KiBps)
[2:01] <IMCensored1> # Input Rate: 19.3 KiBps (of 400 KiBps)
[2:01] <forceflow307> like it goes down to almost normal...then bam it shoots up
[2:02] <Randan> IMCensored1: Is your node rejecting any request (pInstant...)?
[2:03] <IMCensored1> pInstantReject: 17.1%
[2:04] <Randan> If a node gets CPU overloaded the ping time raises until it rejects requests (more or less 100% rejecting), then CPU usage goes way down, the node beginns to accept all requests and the whole thing starts over. That causes oscillating traffic.
[2:04] <Randan> Happens to me on my second node if I use it too much, its CPU-bound
[2:04] <x564224> I have been testing a node with frost running and a node without frost and can find no significant difference - just information.
[2:06] <anonymouse> mine is sure not cpu bound
[2:06] <x564224> although thr frost boards don't seem to be updating much...
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[2:08] <sleon> its go better for me
[2:08] <Randan> I meant forceflow307, because he said something about changing traffic patterns. I wrongly asked IMCensored1, sorry.
[2:08] <sleon> i have 85% not backed off for 10 minutes
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[2:09] <forceflow307> ahh i see thanks Randan that makes sense
[2:10] <forceflow307> although im still not sure if this is CPU bound, or all my nodes having problems
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[2:13] <sleon> http://127.0.0.1:8888/SSK@60I8H8HinpgZSOuTSD66AVlIFAy-xsppFr0YCzCar7c,NzdivUGCGOdlgngOGRbbKDNfSCnjI0FXjHLzJM4xkJ4,AQABAAE/index-101/
[2:13] <sleon> is still ok
[2:13] <x5764234> Things do seem to have improved over the last couple of hours...
[2:16] <Randan> sleon: Look to the right of the TPI headline on 101. I wouldn't call that completly ok.
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[2:22] <sleon> Randan: yea!
[2:22] <sleon> :|
[2:23] <sleon> Randan: it is active link it also needs to be reinserted
[2:23] <Randan> sleon: Last good one that I know of is 90.
[2:23] <sleon> Randan: thx
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[2:30] <sleon> i head to bed now
[2:30] <PasDNick> gn
[2:30] <sleon> gn8 all
[2:30] <x5764234> night
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[6:03] <MikeW> How's the network holding up?
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[9:20] <sandos> node uptime is 1d4h, memory usage 273 MiB. Restarting the node now, its CPU is completly overloaded.
[9:20] <sandos> haha
[9:20] <sandos> I was unpacking .rars :(
[9:25] <Ralith> :P
[9:27] <sandos> oh, it didnt restart now
[9:27] <sandos> 18h uptime
[9:27] <sandos> I wonder what orinted that? I mightve just pasted it myself I guess
[10:08] <Beta_M> what's the easiest way to add a bookmark in Freenet currently
[10:08] <Beta_M> is it to go to /config/ and do it there?
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[10:49] <_ph00> Beta_M: for me, the easiest way to add a bookmark is using the browser's bookmaks
[10:50] <Beta_M> i want the background new edition search feature
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[15:24] <sleon> hi all
[15:25] <sleon> how is net going today ?
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[15:33] <nextgens> hi
[15:33] <nextgens> sleon> you missunderstood the whole thing :)
[15:34] <sleon> nextgens: hihi
[15:34] <nextgens> backoff is *local*
[15:34] <sleon> oooookk
[15:34] <nextgens> your node decides to "back off" someone
[15:34] <nextgens> there is actually no way to know whether you're backoffed from someone else's node
[15:34] <sleon> nextgens: oh ok :) sorry
[15:35] <nextgens> btw, I would be really surprised it if was a DDoS :)
[15:35] <nextgens> imho it's related to the changes toad has introduced in #1009
[15:35] <sleon> nextgens: perke ?
[15:35] <nextgens> because they became mandatory today iirc
[15:36] <sleon> The bookmarked site INDEX.7-freesite has been updated to edition 332.
[15:36] <nextgens> _cal.set( 2006, Calendar.DECEMBER, 31, 0, 0, 0 );
[15:36] <nextgens> hmm
[15:36] <nextgens> no, tomorrow
[15:36] <sleon> nextgens: what about it ? someone inserted 300 editions of garbage
[15:36] <nextgens> that's probably the guy attacking frost
[15:36] <sleon> hehe :)
[15:36] <nextgens> but I doubt it's the root cause of the problem
[15:37] <sleon> what was his address again?
[15:37] <nextgens> as fproxy handles it, doesn't it ?
[15:37] * sleon sends killer commando
[15:37] <sleon> nextgens: i think too
[15:37] <sleon> because all were backed off on most of nodes
[15:37] <nextgens> are USKs still working ?
[15:37] <sleon> yes
[15:37] <nextgens> that's something else :)
[15:37] <sleon> i get redirected to latest
[15:37] <nextgens> ok, so it works
[15:37] <sleon> nextgens: how is it related to usk?
[15:38] <nextgens> it's not
[15:38] <nextgens> it's load-related
[15:38] <sleon> # Inserts: 1
[15:38] <sleon> # Requests: 14
[15:38] <nextgens> if the network has brazillions of requests to handle, it might be overloaded
[15:38] <sleon> i had yesterday constantly : 40 inserts and more then 100 requests
[15:38] <sleon> and 40kb/s up and download
[15:38] <nextgens> but I doubt the load-balancing will let anyone issue such an attack
[15:39] <nextgens> unless he is connected to most of the peers on the network
[15:39] <nextgens> again, the small size of the network is playing on his side :/
[15:39] <sleon> nextgens: and that makes darknt important :)
[15:39] <nextgens> indeed
[15:39] <nextgens> and opennet stupid
[15:39] <nextgens> :p
[15:39] <sleon> hihi
[15:40] <nextgens> we haven't addressed that issue yet
[15:40] <nextgens> how will a new node get a new connection ?
[15:40] <nextgens> using hashcash/whatever to slow it down ?
[15:40] <nextgens> or assuming everyone is a bad guy
[15:40] <nextgens> *good
[15:41] <nextgens> still, I don't understand why it has been acting like a "wave"
[15:41] <nextgens> and it has resolved itself on its own
[15:41] <sleon> you send lots of requests to a node
[15:41] <sleon> it saves all 1000ds of them
[15:41] <nextgens> usually it get congestionned and then it's lost for good
[15:41] <sleon> and then passes them to the peers
[15:41] <sleon> they overload
[15:41] <sleon> so it waits
[15:42] <sleon> so you get a wave effekt
[15:42] <sleon> or peer are not overloaded
[15:42] <nextgens> until the new token-bucket (load-balancing) algorithm is deployed, it's possible
[15:42] <sleon> they accept requests
[15:42] <nextgens> but not likely
[15:42] <sleon> can not pass them by , they wait
[15:42] <nextgens> as you will hit the backoff limit ;)
[15:42] <nextgens> and preemptive early rejection
[15:43] <sleon> nextgens: but i had very very very much requests
[15:43] <sleon> and little inserts
[15:43] <sleon> requests cause inserts , right?
[15:43] <nextgens> have you tried to see if it was comming from all your peers or only a few ?
[15:43] <sleon> nextgens: yes
[15:43] <nextgens> no
[15:43] <sleon> nextgens: i disabled some peers
[15:43] <nextgens> well, it depends
[15:43] <sleon> nextgens: the non backed of ones, and that caused the number of requests to go down
[15:44] <sleon> nextgens: but it can theoretically provoke
[15:44] <nextgens> *ugh*
[15:44] <nextgens> of course it did
[15:44] <sleon> sure :)
[15:44] <sleon> because it could not send :)
[15:44] <nextgens> as you don't exchange data with backed off peers
[15:44] <sleon> yep :)))
[15:44] <sleon> i realized that too
[15:44] <nextgens> if you disable working peers, it does reduce the number of requests ;)
[15:44] <sleon> but interestingly as i did it the backed of peers became not backed of anymore
[15:44] <nextgens> hmm
[15:44] <nextgens> in fact it's not really like that iirc
[15:44] <sleon> i had 5 backed off and 3 connected
[15:45] <nextgens> backoff is now advistory
[15:45] <sleon> it disabled 3 connected and got 3 connected and 2 backed off :)
[15:45] <nextgens> ie: it won't use a backed off peer unless it's the only path
[15:46] <nextgens> regarding TPI, we can't do much ... appart from awayting for the guy to get bored
[15:46] <sleon> nextgens: is it not a default bookmark anymore ?
[15:46] <nextgens> btw, that's the reason why we don't want to have it onto our default bookmark set
[15:47] <nextgens> iirc, it has never been
[15:47] <sleon> yep nice
[15:47] <sleon> it is the only bookmark i ever had
[15:47] <sleon> and i never added it manually :)
[15:47] <nextgens> hmm ?
[15:47] <nextgens> what's its key ?
[15:48] <sleon> key ?
[15:48] <sleon> momen t
[15:48] <sleon> INDEX.7-freesite
[15:48] <nextgens> the uri I meant
[15:50] * nextgens wonders whether the "public frost-webgateway" has ever been done/finished
[15:50] <sleon> nextgens: the url gets now automatically updated by the node :|
[15:51] <sleon> http://127.0.0.1:8888/USK@60I8H8HinpgZSOuTSD66AVlIFAy-xsppFr0YCzCar7c,NzdivUGCGOdlgngOGRbbKDNfSCnjI0FXjHLzJM4xkJ4,AQABAAE/index/332/
[15:51] <sleon> was originaly 92
[15:51] <sleon> or even 7
[15:51] <nextgens> well, it's normal that it updated
[15:51] <nextgens> well, it's normal that it updates
[15:52] <sleon> nextgens: yes, but still then i don't understand why you wanted to have the key
[15:52] <nextgens> sleon> the public one was bundled on testnet nodes
[15:53] <nextgens> to see whether it was on the default bookmark set
[15:53] <nextgens> private static final String[] DEFAULT_DARKNET_BOOKMARKS = {
[15:53] <nextgens> "USK@c55vMxUl-T-lD3nv0iOaXF~G1hnY6pOMRbzZSwACMmY,yd8~uwUmGm164-ipStoiBOJVjkb
[15:53] <nextgens> bYXJMlD~H5ftPxIA,AQABAAE/Indicia/52/=Indicia (Lots of freesites - web sites hosted on freene
[15:53] <nextgens> t)",
[15:53] <nextgens> "USK@RG18X0wfOZrQ-5axO~45moiclaFtqT7ANllg165Zjpg,qTu5gqJLwC5LYyomwTUQWPergIE
[15:53] <nextgens> a3WZIPPd5qd~R5Nk,AQABAAE/ENTRY.POINT/44/=Entry Point (Lots of freesites - web sites hosted o
[15:53] <nextgens> n freenet)",
[15:53] <nextgens> "USK@PFeLTa1si2Ml5sDeUy7eDhPso6TPdmw-2gWfQ4Jg02w,3ocfrqgUMVWA2PeorZx40TW0c-F
[15:53] <nextgens> iIOL-TWKQHoDbVdE,AQABAAE/Index/41/=Darknet Index (Older freesite index)"
[15:54] <nextgens> };
[15:54] <nextgens> and it's not :)
[15:54] <nextgens> I hope you keept some logs of the "overload" period
[15:54] <nextgens> -e
[15:54] <sleon> nextgens: i see
[15:55] <sleon> nextgens: i asked ppl to keep logs
[15:55] <nextgens> see wich keys were requested
[15:55] <sleon> nextgens: read channel logs
[15:55] <nextgens> well, I've got no time to do it now ... I started and saw your explanation on backoff... there I stopped ;)
[15:56] <sleon> nextgens: my node has logging switched off due to performance and space reasons
[15:56] * nextgens has to do some packing
[15:56] <nextgens> :<
[15:56] <nextgens> cool /o\
[15:57] <sleon> nextgens: but others have saved logs
[15:57] <nextgens> get someone's logs then ... and figure out if it's "legitimate" traffic or not
[15:57] <sleon> nextgens: i asked them, they even switched to DEBUG :)
[15:57] <nextgens> minor is enough :)
[15:57] <nextgens> anyway; bbiab
[15:58] <sleon> Ralith: Randan forceflow307 do you have logs for me now ?
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[15:58] <sleon> IMCensored_: hi
[15:58] <sleon> IMCensored_: do you ahve your logs for me ?
[15:59] <sleon> IMCensored_: i need them
[15:59] <sleon> IMCensored_: of yesterday times
[16:00] <IMCensored_> of last night?
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[16:01] <IMCensored1> i need to upload last night's logs
[16:05] <sleon> IMCensored1: yes
[16:05] <sleon> IMCensored1: i need to analyze the problem
[16:06] <IMCensored1> uploading now
[16:07] <PasDNick> let's say one wants to monitor his node, is it worth looking to the snmp plugin, or is it better/faster to fetch datas from the fproxy stats page, feeding a rrd database with interesting/needed datas ?
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[16:09] <PasDNick> hrm ok .. i'll do both :) so i can compare datas :)
[16:10] <PasDNick> ... starting with the stats page parsing, just in case snmp plugins isn't working
[16:10] <IMCensored1> wrapper.log freenet-latest.log freenet-previous.log ... need anything else?
[16:11] <sleon> IMCensored1: are they from last night ?
[16:12] <sleon> IMCensored1: where can i get them from ?
[16:12] <IMCensored1> im uploading them now...
[16:13] <IMCensored1> sleon: http://www.finalphaseva.com/imcensored1/2006-12-30
[16:14] <IMCensored1> my node is still acting weird
[16:15] <sleon> IMCensored1: why is it soooo small ?
[16:15] <IMCensored1> 2/9 Requests: 56 Inserts: 40
[16:15] <sleon> IMCensored1: this should have been 200 mb or something
[16:15] <sleon> IMCensored1: which logging level are you using ?
[16:16] <IMCensored1> i'll go look
[16:16] <sleon> IMCensored1: how many are backed of ff ?
[16:16] <IMCensored1> its on normal...
[16:16] <IMCensored1> ff:
[16:16] <IMCensored1> ?
[16:17] <IMCensored1> hmm... i just attempted to switch to DEBUG and the node crashed
[16:18] <sleon> IMCensored1: oh :|
[16:18] <sleon> IMCensored1: strange
[16:18] <sleon> IMCensored1: ok i look at logs now
[16:19] <IMCensored1> interesting... "wrapper.log is in use right now and cannot be accessed"
[16:21] <sleon> IMCensored1: wrapper log does not have the info i need, freenet-lastest and freenet-prev log would have
[16:21] <sleon> but they have very little output
[16:22] <IMCensored1> i was looking to see why it crashed
[16:22] <sleon> ok
[16:22] <sleon> are you on windows ?
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[16:23] <IMCensored1> yes
[16:23] <IMCensored1> Debug is on now
[16:24] <sleon> IMCensored1: nice
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[16:25] <IMCensored1> i noticed something though... one of my long time peers... was .007 in location... then jumped to 4.7 ... now is .9 and is disconnected and has been for 19 hrs
[16:26] <sleon> hmm ok
[16:27] <sleon> location chaning is ok though
[16:27] <IMCensored1> ive never seen one get above .99 before then
[16:44] <Beta_M> i'm getting java.lang.NullPointerException at freenet.store.BerkeleyDBFreenetStore.checkSecondaryDatabaseError(BerkeleyDBFreenetStore.java:1732) try to load any of the freesites
[16:44] <Beta_M> this is getting messed up already
[16:44] <Beta_M> why did freenet decide to break right before toad left
[16:44] <Beta_M> help...
[16:44] <Beta_M> q;-(
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[17:02] <sleon> Beta_M: hmm
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[17:03] <Beta_M> NPE makes Beta_M a very unhappy person
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[17:27] <sleon> Beta_M: you can wait or you could save your actual data
[17:27] <sleon> and then delete it all
[17:27] <sleon> and start the node again
[17:27] <sleon> Beta_M: store*
[17:27] <Beta_M> sleon: i've just eraced my store 2 days ago
[17:28] <Beta_M> since then there were no electical shortages or anything of the kind, that could potentially damage the store
[17:28] <sleon> Beta_M: windows ?
[17:28] <Beta_M> Ubuntu
[17:28] <sleon> Beta_M: what os , what file system ?
[17:28] <sleon> Beta_M: ext2 ?
[17:28] <sleon> ext3 ?
[17:28] <Beta_M> ext3
[17:28] <Beta_M> therefore i induce that the problem came from Freenet
[17:28] <Beta_M> not from anywhere else
[17:29] <Beta_M> the only thing that crosses my mind is that node does crash every once in a while (a few hours) due to OutOfMemory exceptions
[17:29] <sleon> Beta_M: read this :http://kerneltrap.org/node/7517
[17:29] <Beta_M> maybe somehow that corrupted the store
[17:29] <sleon> Beta_M: it is aabout ext3 problems
[17:29] <sleon> and this one http://kerneltrap.org/node/7518
[17:30] <Beta_M> that doesn't really help to solve the problem though
[17:30] <Beta_M> what do you suggest?
[17:30] <Beta_M> reformatting the partition?
[17:30] <Beta_M> i mean i'll do that if i would believe that it would solve the problem
[17:30] <sleon> Beta_M: nope
[17:31] <sleon> Beta_M: use another filesystem maybe ? but the problem could also lie in freenet itself
[17:31] <sleon> Beta_M: save the store please for analysis
[17:31] <Beta_M> ok, this one is only about 200 meg
[17:31] <Beta_M> so it's not a problem to save it
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[17:33] <Beta_M> hold on, actually the partition where my datastore is... is ext2
[17:34] <Beta_M> yep, definitely ext2
[17:35] <Beta_M> weird
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[17:43] <pesven> i have dyndns, what part of my ref needs altered and where? I tried altering in freenet.ini and no change shows in the ref after restarting freenet.
[17:43] <sleon> pesven: it does not matter
[17:44] <sleon> pesven: when you set override ip or something like that in freenet.ini the ref will be updated during negotion
[17:44] <pesven> oh good, yeah, I set that, just thought some change would show in the ref. thanks.
[18:05] <pesven> the freenet install indicated that it failed to install frost, saying there was no frost.zip, yet it is there, but the frost directory is empty.
[18:05] <pesven> I assume I just unzip the frost.zip into there and fire up frost?
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[18:50] <PasDNick> java.io.FileNotFoundException: ./temp-9513/temp-1a885c99be14d6e0 (Too many open files) ... manually cleaning temp-xxx directory.. (nodeUptime: 3d17h)
[18:53] <PasDNick> hehe.. have to restart .. can't load pages i was trying to load while having too many opened files.. (although temp-xxxx dir is now empty)
[18:53] <CIA-14> jflesch * r11531 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/ (9 files in 5 dirs): Add a 'remove selected transfers' button to the toolbar when the user is on the 'state' tab
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[19:54] <CIA-14> jflesch * r11532 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/plugins/SqlConsole.java: Optimize Sql console display
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[20:16] <CIA-14> jflesch * r11533 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/ (core/MainWindow.java plugins/Console.java): Optimizing console log display
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[21:09] <JustAnotherGuy> Hello! I have a question regarding freenet 0.7, that I did not find in any FAQ: is content available with freenet 0.5 no longer visible with 0.7? Tnx!
[21:10] <nextgens> yes, they are separate networks
[21:11] <JustAnotherGuy> Thanks! :-) I experienced the changes in routing very positiv compared to 0.5, so using 0.7 is worth it. Hopefully people will publish their content again!
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[21:52] * anonymouse looks around
[21:52] <anonymouse> does sleon need my logs?
[21:53] <anonymouse> query me if so (I don't usually look at this window)
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[23:58] <DavidCraft> can someone explain to me how addressing nodes using psudo-address withuout IP's works? I'm a little confused on how client A gets to Client Z without knowing its absolute location, is there a paper on "Greedy Routing" only? (as in not a paper on the whole freenet network, they seem to address greedy routing rather briefly)
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