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[0:43] * Set by toad_ on Fri Dec 08 20:45:45 UTC 2006
[0:43] <toad_> nextgens: i thought you said you'd turned them off?
[0:44] <toad_> i mean i thought you said you'd turned off automatic rebuild of plugins?
[0:44] <nextgens> iirc they are built but not deployed
[0:44] <toad_> hmmm
[0:44] <nextgens> ie: not available on mirrors
[0:44] <toad_> so how come Librarian loads and apparently works?
[0:44] <toad_> i type Librarian*
[0:44] <toad_> which loads the plugin from the mirrors
[0:44] <toad_> and it loads - at least, it displays the home page
[0:44] <toad_> although for some reason the index is inaccessible
[0:44] * nextgens sets mode +o FreenetLogBot
[0:45] <nextgens> http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/plugins/Librarian.jar.url points to r11334
[0:45] <nextgens> is that latest ?
[0:45] <nextgens> fg
[0:46] <_ph00> toad_: it went down again, exactly when I tried to run s refbot (I don't know if it's coincidence)
[0:46] <toad_> nextgens: i don't have a cvs commit mail for 11334
[0:47] <toad_> http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/trunk/apps/?rev=11334&view=log
[0:47] * toad_ does not understand
[0:47] <nextgens> http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi?rev=11334&view=rev
[0:47] <nextgens> me neither
[0:48] <toad_> 11334 is ages ago, so why does the plugin even load if the APIs are incompatible?
[0:48] <nextgens> - <classpathentry kind="con" path="org.eclipse.jdt.junit.JUNIT_CONTAINER/3.8.1"/>
[0:48] <nextgens> + <classpathentry kind="lib" path="/usr/share/java/junit.jar"/>
[0:48] <nextgens> nah
[0:48] <nextgens> that's the *bad* idea
[0:49] <toad_> nextgens: how do you propose to fix it? the first DOES NOT WORK
[0:49] <nextgens> it does for me
[0:49] <toad_> it doesn't for me :)
[0:49] <toad_> whereas the latter will work for both of us
[0:49] <toad_> so find a better fix or leave it alone
[0:49] <nextgens> :/
[0:50] <toad_> woah Entry Point is up to edition 54
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[0:50] * nextgens has two questions for you
[0:50] <nextgens> three in fact
[0:51] <nextgens> may you do wget http://emu/~nextgens/f.jar && java -jar f.jar please and tell me if it works
[0:51] <draq> can anyone reccomend what to set input/output bandwidth and store size to, i have a 10mb connection and plenty of hard drive space.
[0:51] <nextgens> (it will test a 64bits version of native FEC)
[0:52] <nextgens> 2) is it possible to instanciate two different classes depending on the architecture the node is running on ? I mean for the JNI stuffs I've been doing, I need to change the footprint of a method
[0:52] <toad_> Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from
[0:52] <toad_> f.jar
[0:52] <nextgens> (passing longs insteed of ints)
[0:52] <nextgens> hmm
[0:53] <nextgens> try java -cp f.jar TestCase then
[0:53] <toad_> tempuser@servalan:~$ java -cp f.jar TestCase
[0:53] <toad_> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: TestCase
[0:53] * nextgens looks for the classname
[0:54] <nextgens> CodeTest
[0:54] <toad_> nextgens: do they both implement the same interface? iirc you can instantiate whatever class you want with reflection...
[0:54] <nextgens> java -cp f.jar CodeTest
[0:54] <toad_> looks like it owrks
[0:54] <nextgens> cool :)
[0:54] <nextgens> what's the average speed ?
[0:54] <toad_> around 100MB/sec
[0:54] <nextgens> ~300MB/s ?
[0:54] <nextgens> :w
[0:54] <toad_> ah but that's with wine using 50%+
[0:55] <nextgens> close EVE :p
[0:55] <nextgens> :)
[0:55] <toad_> 3426 root 14 -1 61792 22m 3464 S 25.3 2.5 19:27.88 XFree86
[0:55] <toad_> 5000 browser 15 0 94292 37m 19m S 13.6 4.3 0:45.58 firefox-bin
[0:55] <toad_> why?
[0:55] <toad_> (eve is closed)
[0:55] <toad_> (now)
[0:55] <nextgens> that ought to be faster than that
[0:55] <nextgens> here the test is 3 times faster using native libs
[0:55] <toad_> firefox is doing wierd things
[0:56] <toad_> ok try now
[0:56] <nextgens> the pure java beeing as fastt as ~100MB/s
[0:56] <toad_> well it's not spectacular
[0:56] <toad_> k 192, l 64 c_enc 125.829 MB/s c_dec 113.104 MB/s
[0:56] <nextgens> hmm
[0:56] <toad_> Unable to find native library for fec8 for platform linux-x86
[0:57] <toad_> ahhhhh
[0:57] <nextgens> ok, so it explains :)
[0:57] * toad_ wonders why it thinks it's x86
[0:57] <nextgens> it doesn't work
[0:57] <nextgens> try jar -xvf f.jar
[0:57] <toad_> it's not detecting it correctly?
[0:57] <nextgens> and alter lib/native.properties
[0:57] <toad_> why is it picking up the wrong arch?
[0:58] <toad_> you want me to change it to "x86" ?
[0:58] <nextgens> yes please
[0:58] <nextgens> or move the libs around
[0:58] <nextgens> I had to recompile onion common and haven't taken the one from our trunk
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[0:58] <nextgens> but the official version
[0:58] <nextgens> and it doesn't detect x86_64 :/
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[0:59] <nextgens> but as I hadn't anywhere to test it ...
[0:59] <toad_> Unable to find native library for fec8 for platform linux-x86
[0:59] <toad_> strange
[0:59] <toad_> nextgens: you have servalan, don't you have a login?
[0:59] <nextgens> I do ... but I was offline
[0:59] <toad_> :O
[0:59] <nextgens> anyway, ok, it doesn't work, will keep working on it :)
[0:59] <toad_> :)
[1:00] <toad_> okay
[1:00] <toad_> well feel free to use servalan
[1:00] * toad_ rm -R's
[1:00] <nextgens> third question : do you have some time to help me investigating a connectivity issue ?
[1:00] <toad_> what sort of connectivity issue?
[1:00] <nextgens> my node doesn't connect to *any* peer
[1:00] <nextgens> including yours
[1:00] <toad_> well that's very odd
[1:01] <toad_> any ERRORs?
[1:01] <nextgens> no
[1:01] <toad_> mine works fine, 13 conn 4 backed off
[1:01] <nextgens> nothing helpfull at least
[1:01] <SIxNine> isp blocked?
[1:01] * nextgens logs on the server
[1:01] * nextgens updates
[1:01] <toad_> nextgens: any theories? UDP is allowed?
[1:01] <nextgens> we will do it in pm if you don't mind :)
[1:11] <toad_> nextgens: what do you think about releasing 1008?
[1:11] <toad_> or anyone else?
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[1:14] <toad_> hmmm
[1:14] <toad_> how should we indicate an empty list for string array config options?
[1:14] <toad_> if it's "", then that could just be one config option which happens to be ""
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[1:14] <toad_> if it's ";" that could be two
[1:20] <toad_> anyone got any opinions on the suitability of 1008 for release?
[1:20] <toad_> given that I will be away from work from Saturday?
[1:29] <CIA-14> toad * r11509 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/config/StringArrOption.java: String array options: "" means no values (String[0]). "" in an option is represented as ":".
[1:30] <CIA-14> toad * r11510 /trunk/freenet/.externalToolBuilders/New_Builder.launch: Refresh the project (to pick up freenet-ext.jar) after running ant.
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[1:47] <toad_> what's a good padding strategy?
[1:47] <toad_> i mean for packets?
[1:49] <toad_> round up to a multiple of 64 and then add 0-63 bytes?
[1:49] <nextgens> random lenght, from minimum to MTU
[1:50] <toad_> that's not good if it results in us sending lots of packets that are far too long for their payloads
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[1:50] <nextgens> how does it differ from beeing random ?
[1:50] <toad_> it's inefficient
[1:50] <toad_> and it's profilable
[1:50] <toad_> anything is i suppose but i don't want to make it too easy :)
[1:52] <toad_> some ancient data:
[1:52] <toad_> BBC4 14 472
[1:52] <toad_> BBC4 650 4086
[1:52] <toad_> BBC4 659 428
[1:52] <toad_> BBC? 14 714
[1:52] <toad_> BBC? 330 4190
[1:52] <toad_> BBC? 339 604
[1:52] <toad_> Another stream from NASA got a wide range of different sizes, mostly
[1:52] <toad_> uniform between about 300 and 600 (slightly more in 500-600).
[1:52] <nextgens> skype uses 18byte as a keepalive for nats
[1:53] <toad_> 18 bytes plus UDP/IP?
[1:54] <nextgens> www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1843/3
[1:54] <nextgens> suggested reading
[1:54] <toad_> EVE appears to be TCP, how odd...
[1:55] <nextgens> I've got an idea
[1:55] <nextgens> what about using the svn revision number or time ?
[1:55] <nextgens> systime
[1:56] <nextgens> its hash even
[1:56] <nextgens> so that you don't know whether it will increase or decrease
[1:56] <toad_> <span class="body">
[1:56] <toad_> The author of this article setup a test environment on one of China's
[1:56] <nextgens> and it ought to be prety much random
[1:56] <toad_> largest ISP nodes. The network connection records were exported from
[1:56] <toad_> the router as Netflow data and stored into a MySQL database. With the
[1:56] <toad_> help of a little script to process all the data, many hosts were
[1:56] <toad_> identified as P2P peers, and some interesting, locally developed P2P
[1:56] <toad_> new applications were also discovered.</span>
[1:56] <toad_> nice
[1:56] <toad_> traffic flow analysis, cheap
[1:56] * toad_ hmmm
[1:56] <nextgens> hence we need transport plugins ;)
[1:57] <toad_> if traffic flow analysis is cheap, then nothing short of parasitic stego will help
[1:57] <nextgens> but yes, flow analysis is very powerfull
[1:57] <toad_> and parasitic stego is very limited in lots of ways
[1:57] <toad_> so realistically freenet can't function...
[1:57] <toad_> :(
[1:58] <nextgens> even if we carry data over carrier pigeon, the amount will betray us
[1:58] <nextgens> unless we have real multi-homing
[1:58] <nextgens> and different channels
[2:00] <toad_> "real multi-homing" ?
[2:00] <nextgens> anyway, having fixed length auth packets IS a *bad* idea
[2:00] <toad_> we have that now; what's the big deal?
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[2:00] <nextgens> I meant beeing able to use several channels in parallel
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[2:01] <nextgens> like one tcp stream, udp and some other weirder transports
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[2:01] <nextgens> over icmp, over dns, over whatever
[2:01] <toad_> nextgens: the problem is that if we can't tunnel over the internet (and we can't if traffic analysis is feasible on a large scale), other transports will have ths short links but not normally the long links; small world topology will be difficult
[2:01] <nextgens> in between the same peers
[2:01] <toad_> over ICMP is easy to detect
[2:01] <toad_> over DNS is easy to detect
[2:01] <toad_> users have no business running their own high-bandwidth DNS servers
[2:02] <nextgens> no, but they could be using skype all the day long
[2:02] <nextgens> or be connected to eve ;)
[2:02] <nextgens> WoW or whatever
[2:04] <toad_> nextgens: games: centralized servers
[2:04] <toad_> skype: i dunno, maybe a permanent conference call but that's easily detected too
[2:04] <toad_> nextgens: he seems to be arguing that traffic flow analysis is CHEAPER than protocol matching
[2:05] <toad_> nextgens: is that true?
[2:05] <nextgens> it depends
[2:05] <nextgens> it depends on the size of the network/the amount of data to process
[2:06] <nextgens> and the level of confidence you need
[2:06] <toad_> well, how many Big Routers support exporting Netflow data?
[2:06] <nextgens> all of them do
[2:06] <toad_> what you need is a record that's on a higher level than one log entry per packet
[2:06] <nextgens> most of them have it disabled by default for performance reasons
[2:06] <toad_> you want one log entry per traffic flow over a longish period
[2:07] <toad_> he's arguing that it costs less performance to turn on netflow than it does to turn on packet inspection
[2:07] <toad_> is that true?
[2:07] <nextgens> on the router, yes
[2:07] <nextgens> logging is less expensive than decoding the packet/frame/whatever
[2:08] <nextgens> and logs can be processed offline
[2:08] <nextgens> using non-critical systems
[2:08] <toad_> are logs per-packet or per-flow?
[2:08] <nextgens> whereas when you do "on the fly" analysis, performances are badly impaired
[2:08] <toad_> what sort of resources are required to transport the logs, turn them from packet logs into flow logs, etc?
[2:08] <nextgens> it depends on how it's configured
[2:09] <nextgens> and on what level it's done
[2:09] <toad_> sticking packet logs in a mysql database isn't realistic, for example
[2:09] <nextgens> but yes, generally speaking, it's more scallable
[2:09] <nextgens> no, but sticking ips, ports, size and a timestamp is
[2:09] <nextgens> and that's not *that* expensive
[2:11] <nextgens> then we could do "port evading" ...
[2:11] <nextgens> like spread spectrum for airwaves
[2:12] <nextgens> toad_> are you gonna commit your padding fix tonight ?
[2:12] <nextgens> or may I go to bed ? :p
[2:12] <toad_> port evading?
[2:12] <toad_> nextgens: I can commit a add-one-byte
[2:12] <toad_> ...
[2:12] * toad_ has a look
[2:12] <nextgens> force packets to 660 or 330 if you're sure that's what realplayer is using
[2:13] <nextgens> randomizing source and destination port, within a range
[2:13] <nextgens> possibly "wild"
[2:13] <nextgens> of course that would harden NAT bypassing
[2:14] <nextgens> but flow analysis would be much more difficult
[2:14] <nextgens> ipv6 would ease that
[2:14] <nextgens> as we could do it per IP too
[2:15] <nextgens> ie; we could have subnets dedicated to "evading"
[2:15] * toad_ will just add 0-100 bytes randomly to start with
[2:15] <nextgens> fine
[2:15] * nextgens awaits the commit
[2:15] <nextgens> :p
[2:16] <CIA-14> toad * r11511 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/FNPPacketMangler.java: Add 0-100 bytes of random data (padding) on auth packets.
[2:17] <toad_> nextgens: your french paper said traffic flow analysis was hard
[2:17] <toad_> nextgens: the page you linked to said it's easier than looking for signatures
[2:17] <toad_> nextgens: which is right?
[2:17] <nextgens> it's right
[2:17] <nextgens> well, the paper said it's expensive
[2:17] <nextgens> not hard
[2:18] <toad_> is it?
[2:18] <nextgens> flow analysis is probably cheaper than checking signatures
[2:18] <nextgens> but a good solution would be doing both
[2:18] <toad_> the paper said flow analysis is much more expensive than checking signatures iirc
[2:18] <nextgens> see how snort and prelude are working :)
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[2:24] <Bink> hi
[2:24] <Bink> did they release a new frost or freenet version today, yet?
[2:24] <toad_> no
[2:24] <toad_> we're thinking about it
[2:25] <Bink> k
[2:34] <toad_> if you want to test the prerelease please do
[2:34] <toad_> you can get the latest testing build by doing update.sh testing or update.cmd testing
[2:35] <toad_> or grab it manually from downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/
[2:35] <toad_> replace your freenet.jar or freenet-stable-latest.jar with it
[2:35] <toad_> good night folk
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[2:52] <smee> is sad, because darth can't speak.
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[2:57] <darth> dont be sad smee
[2:57] <darth> hey i just wanted some help with snmp
[3:00] <smee> i don't know about such things, sorry.
[3:02] <darth> does anyone here know about the snmp in freenet?
[3:04] <smee> i think the developers went beddybye.
[3:04] <darth> damn
[3:04] <darth> now IM sad
[3:07] <smee> theres a probably incomplete wiki article at http://wiki.freenetproject.org/FreenetSNMPMonitoring
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[3:18] <smee> are my bookmarks in fproxy supposed to appear as 'NAME=KEY=NAME', or has somebody screwed up?
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[4:55] <Bink> anyone know who Saces is?
[4:56] <Bink> he is advertising the new frost version on one of the frost boards
[4:56] <Bink> but not sure if he is legitimate or not
[5:15] <smee> i know nothing
[5:17] <Bink> tell me something i dont know :)
[5:17] <smee> the universe is a 11 dimensional membrane?
[5:18] <smee> with tentacles.
[5:18] <smee> and two meat balls.
[5:18] <smee> and is made of pasta.
[5:19] <smee> has a fondness for midgets.
[5:19] <smee> and so on and so forth.
[5:29] <Bink> saying nonsense, is less then knowing nothing
[5:29] <Bink> lol
[5:29] <Bink> anyways, its time for bed
[5:29] <Bink> good night
[5:29] <smee> it wasn't nonsense.
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[5:29] <smee> it was FSMism + M theory.
[5:30] <smee> :(
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[6:24] <smee> made a useless freesite if anyone cares: http://localhost:8888/USK@lVzvdD~CnGdxNxU9xVwK5SHmo9CH2dJyiwtW0iciwh8,arHTP6ZkSpTVvov9eEaOXl7zQu1PufYkdkD0j7tLp4M,AQABAAE/MissingMessages/1/
[6:34] <sandos> the missing messages?
[6:34] <sandos> huh?
[6:35] <sandos> just playing around with css or?
[6:38] <paveq> nextgens: what kind of entry do you have for mirror1 in bind config?
[6:38] <paveq> nextgens: I'm trying to archive something similar here, another story
[6:39] <paveq> trying something like domain1.somewhere. IN CNAME blitzkrieg.homelinux.org.
[6:39] <paveq> but I think it wants A for blitzkrieg.homelinux.org.
[6:43] <_ph00> possible bug (also possible that it went wrong because I moved the freenet dir around)
[6:44] <_ph00> on inserting a (music) 900MB zip archive, started yesterday
[6:44] <_ph00> it nows shows i queue as 'completed' whith '0 bytes' size
[6:44] <_ph00> now*
[6:45] <_ph00> I'm gonna try to download it just to see what I get (probably an empty zip archive)
[6:46] <IMCensored1> all my completed uploads real 0 bytes in queue
[6:49] <_ph00> well mine don't
[6:49] <_ph00> I tried to download this one, and I actually got a 0 byte file
[6:50] <_ph00> my completed uploads usually show the correct size
[6:51] <_ph00> have you ever tried to re-download your 0 bytes uploads? I think something's wrong with them. I mean, it surely is. Completed DLs shouldn't show 0 bytes
[6:51] <IMCensored1> yea... they work fine
[6:52] <_ph00> uh... OK then
[6:53] <IMCensored1> http://localhost:8888/CHK@tXEJ9iaGMs49FtcdiIFRUwiuF2VpyG2ElVgWo90xFKs,6DOVDRPsAR5dF0D02NRGQ2euJPFn0KIclvZaze9WHqc,AAEC--8/Breaking%20Benjamin%20-%20Acoustic%20-%20So%20Cold%20%28Acoustic%29.mp3
[6:53] <IMCensored1> none 0 B audio/mpeg forever CHK@.../Breaking Benjamin - So Cold.mp3
[6:53] <IMCensored1> check that
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[7:01] <bback> hi
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[8:09] <Sirusdv> So all of a sudden I lost all my freenet peers homepage is saying "no peers found"
[8:09] <Sirusdv> whats the configuration file that stored them? I want to see if I could salvage them
[8:12] <^^--nCL\AV> im guessing its in [freenet-dir]\peers-5629
[8:13] <^^--nCL\AV> though the number looks like it could change depending on the port that freenets set to use for talking to nodes
[8:13] <^^--nCL\AV> yep, that is the file. all refs are in there in plain text
[8:14] <Sirusdv> arg
[8:14] <Sirusdv> size is 0
[8:14] <Sirusdv> looks like a buffer didnt flush
[8:15] <^^--nCL\AV> aff, looks like youve lost your refs
[8:15] <^^--nCL\AV> hmm, id say its a good idea to backup that file every now and then
[8:15] <Sirusdv> yeah really
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[8:38] <_ph00> Sirusdv: check your freenet directory for filenames and direcoty names thai include numbers: do they all show the same number, or are there 2 diffrent values?
[8:38] <_ph00> directosy names that (etc)*
[8:38] <_ph00> r*
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[8:39] <Sirusdv> all the same numbers, corisponding to the port
[8:39] <_ph00> ok
[8:40] <_ph00> so what's happened is that your node 'ate up' its peers, that happens sometimes. Sorry, you will have to re-add them
[8:40] <_ph00> (check the file peers-<portnr.> it should be empty now
[8:40] <Sirusdv> yup 0 bytes
[8:40] <_ph00> I hadn't heard about this since....
[8:41] <_ph00> something around ]990 probably
[8:41] <_ph00> #990
[8:41] <_ph00> way before #1000 that's for sure
[8:41] <_ph00> tip: just get a .py reffbot and let it do the peer adding
[8:43] <Sirusdv> any premade ones floating around? I realllllyy dont want to write one myself
[8:43] <_ph00> yes, pre made
[8:44] <_ph00> you must install python, if you're on windows (win doesn't come with python)
[8:44] <_ph00> at least, xp don't
[8:44] <_ph00> if you're on linux, you probably have python already
[8:44] * _ph00 looks for the link...
[8:44] <Sirusdv> <-- programmer
[8:44] <Sirusdv> so no worries there
[8:45] <_ph00> well then you probably have python and can write a refbot by yourself...
[8:45] <_ph00> but I'll try to get you the pre-made one anyway
[8:46] <Sirusdv> thanks
[8:47] <_ph00> here you go
[8:47] <_ph00> http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/pyFreenet/pyFreenet-latest.tbz; Run updater.py first and refbot.py then (run updater.py periodically)
[8:48] <_ph00> there's the refbot in 2 version and another bunch of python scripts there is
[8:48] <_ph00> there in
[8:49] <_ph00> that bz
[8:49] <_ph00> z
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[11:23] <SIxNine> ummmMMMmmm
[11:23] <SIxNine> Progress: 216.4%
[11:23] <SIxNine> on a file...
[11:23] <SIxNine> lol
[11:27] <Beta_M> nice one
[11:27] <Beta_M> maybe you can carry some of that progress over to the next download
[11:28] <TheSeeker|Gone> lol
[11:29] <Beta_M> or maybe you are hitting some sort of parallel universe and sucking bandwidth from there
[11:29] * Beta_M hides in paranoia
[11:29] <SIxNine> thats gay
[11:29] <SIxNine> and it was a decent download 2
[11:29] <TheSeeker|Gone> sounds more like a bug. maybe getting multiple complete messages for the same block, or blocks expiring in the cache before it's done downloading, and needing to be requested again when reconstruction fails...
[11:29] <SIxNine> a rare book
[11:29] <SIxNine> lol
[11:30] <TheSeeker|Gone> cancel it, then restart the download...
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[12:13] * toad_ is not here but will read logs later
[12:13] <toad_> cya
[12:13] <SIxNine> bouit time u left
[12:14] <SIxNine> we can all talk about toad now.. he's gone
[12:14] <SIxNine> I hear he's gay
[12:14] <SIxNine> duno
[12:14] * SIxNine hides
[12:15] <smee> i think we should start a religion, with toad as the messiah.
[12:15] <SIxNine> na but I think he's worthy of my alter boy
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[12:15] <smee> he'll probably object, with that whole being christian and worshipping false idols thing.
[12:15] <SIxNine> lol
[12:16] <SIxNine> Ima wake up in the morning adn see a lil +b
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[12:16] <smee> only the true messiah would deny his own divinity!
[12:17] <SIxNine> oh well talking nonsense is one of the best pastimes of IRC
[12:18] <SIxNine> Religion for the most part is fear and greed
[12:18] <SIxNine> Fear = Control / power - and dosh of course gold
[12:19] <pfeffer> hi who can help me get my node to work, my os is ubuntu dapper with java 1.5, whenever I use "run.sh start" my console window is closed and the node does not start
[12:19] <smee> fear is the best motivator known to . . . our alien overlords.
[12:19] <SIxNine> newsflash we are the evil alians
[12:20] <SIxNine> aliens
[12:20] <SIxNine> same thing
[12:20] <smee> heh
[12:20] <SIxNine> we can destroy worlds
[12:21] <SIxNine> which is pretty sweet since we are all stuck on the same one
[12:23] <smee> i can destroy grammar.
[12:23] <smee> it's a gift.
[12:24] <SIxNine> I'm the god of that
[12:24] <smee> i wonder if toad will smite us for increasing the amount of nonsense he has to wade through.
[12:24] <SIxNine> na he was too wussy to "release the force"
[12:25] <SIxNine> He's not one with the force
[12:25] <smee> past tense. . . oh no!
[12:25] <SIxNine> he's not a jedi
[12:25] <SIxNine> he is the diet coke of jeid's
[12:25] <SIxNine> jedis'
[12:26] <smee> my jedi could beat up your jedi.
[12:26] <SIxNine> My jedi
[12:26] <SIxNine> is
[12:26] <SIxNine> obionebonjovi
[12:26] <SIxNine> and I say
[12:26] <SIxNine> you give the force a bad name
[12:27] <smee> that hurt
[12:27] <SIxNine> lol
[12:27] * smee inserts a childish attempt for the last word
[12:27] * SIxNine retorts
[12:27] * smee hangs head in shame.
[12:27] <SIxNine> lol
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[12:28] <pfeffer> nobody up to help get my node running?
[12:28] <SIxNine> goto #freenet-refs
[12:28] <SIxNine> and get a ref or two
[12:29] <SIxNine> krazee is in there
[12:29] <pfeffer> but the not does not even start ... anyway i will ask there thx
[12:29] <SIxNine> what do u mean it doesn't start?
[12:30] <SIxNine> what os u running?
[12:30] <pfeffer> ubuntu dapper
[12:30] <pfeffer> i type run.sh start
[12:30] <pfeffer> and my console closes
[12:30] <smee> it might be right
[12:30] <smee> go to http://localhost:8888/
[12:30] <smee> and see if its running
[12:30] <SIxNine> don't go there
[12:30] <SIxNine> he's trying to trick you
[12:30] <pfeffer> i went there
[12:31] <SIxNine> http://127.0.0.1/8888/
[12:31] <pfeffer> nothing running
[12:31] <SIxNine> =P
[12:31] <pfeffer> hehe
[12:31] <smee> lol, i've hijacked your computer.
[12:31] <smee> all too easy.
[12:32] <SIxNine> what does the browser show?... well since your on linux maybe that was a silly question
[12:32] <pfeffer> it is dead
[12:32] <SIxNine> kk
[12:32] * toad_ smites smee
[12:32] <pfeffer> i look at the listening ports
[12:32] <pfeffer> nothing is listening
[12:32] <pfeffer> so the node did not star at all
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[12:33] <smee> see if wrapper.log exists
[12:33] <toad_> all religion is fear and greed ... hmmm, fear of whom? whose greed?
[12:33] <smee> and if so, maybe it'll say what happened.
[12:33] * toad_ bbiab, will read backlog
[12:33] <SIxNine> ~[ toad_ ]~ dark ages
[12:33] * SIxNine hides
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[12:33] <toad_> eh?
[12:33] <NOTSIXNINE> lol
[12:33] <toad_> dark ages? what does that mean?
[12:33] <pfeffer> warpper.log is not in the root
[12:34] <NOTSIXNINE> u never read about the history of the dark ages?
[12:34] <pfeffer> only a wrapper.conf
[12:34] <toad_> NOTSIXNINE: what do you call dark ages? i call dark ages ~ 600-900 AD
[12:34] <NOTSIXNINE> the christrian crusade
[12:34] <toad_> and we don't have much history from that period
[12:35] <toad_> yeah the crusades, the inquisition, the persecution of the jews and the witches
[12:35] <toad_> the whole nonsense
[12:35] <NOTSIXNINE> perfect example of religion using fear
[12:35] <toad_> all totally unbiblical, political crap
[12:35] <NOTSIXNINE> religion is political
[12:35] <NOTSIXNINE> king james
[12:35] <NOTSIXNINE> now that was a smart fucker that caught on
[12:35] <toad_> sure, it can be; sometimes it has to be
[12:35] <toad_> but power politics
[12:35] <pfeffer> is there a way to start the node without the script so i can see what java says?
[12:36] <toad_> the whole crusades nonsense
[12:36] <toad_> etc
[12:36] <NOTSIXNINE> name your religion and I can probably name an atrocity
[12:36] <NOTSIXNINE> even if I have to resort to google
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[12:36] * toad_ is a strong believer in a) the separation of church and state, and b) xtianity as a basis for social campaigning
[12:36] <smee> history goes like this: 0) aliens discover earth and decide it would be a nice place to visit. 1) they're partying it up, having a great time 2) they fuck up and flood the world 3) survivors attempt to rebuild civilization 4) today
[12:37] <NOTSIXNINE> do u even have that seperation in euro?
[12:37] <NOTSIXNINE> or u states?
[12:37] <toad_> uk, and we have the Church of England ... the PM chooses archbishop after consulting clergy :(
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[12:37] * toad_ is not C of E :)
[12:37] <NOTSIXNINE> lol
[12:38] * NOTSIXNINE is now known as SixNine
[12:38] <toad_> that's what Paul called "being unevenly yoked with unbelievers" :)
[12:38] <smee> i thought six nine was a startrek reference, but that was seven nine. i guess this is sex.
[12:38] <SixNine> it is
[12:38] <SixNine> I've used this nick
[12:38] <SixNine> for a very very very long time
[12:39] <SixNine> goes back to my early youth
[12:39] <SixNine> 26 now
[12:39] <SixNine> lol
[12:39] * toad_ would also ask how many millions have died in the name of freedom, or of capitalism
[12:39] <pfeffer> smee any more ideas
[12:39] <smee> i have ideas, but they would get me arrested.
[12:39] <toad_> s/died/been unjustly killed/
[12:40] <smee> i mean
[12:40] * smee whistles innocently
[12:40] * SixNine would point out that religion is used in every war
[12:40] <toad_> so is freedom
[12:40] <smee> war is freedom
[12:40] <pfeffer> i know its christmas and all but I really love to have a running node again
[12:40] <SixNine> No army ever went to war thinking god was on the other side
[12:40] <smee> freedom is slavery?
[12:40] <toad_> and economics is the *real reason* in most cases
[12:40] <smee> what was the opposite of war, i don't remember
[12:40] <pfeffer> no rapper.log nothing happens
[12:41] <smee> is run.sh executable?
[12:41] <toad_> the church was really big in ending slavery in the west
[12:41] <smee> and what do you mean your console closes?
[12:41] <pfeffer> how do I start the node directly with a java command
[12:41] <toad_> it may be similarly a force for good with poverty; some things have been achieved, but we try again next year
[12:41] <toad_> 50k people die unnecessarily every day because of poverty...
[12:42] <SixNine> well take the vatican
[12:42] <SixNine> they have
[12:42] <toad_> (next year being 200th anniversary of abolition of slavery in the uk)
[12:42] <SixNine> god knows how much money
[12:42] <SixNine> why do they do nothing about
[12:42] <SixNine> poverty
[12:42] <toad_> even they don't have that sort of money
[12:42] <SixNine> doesn't matter anyway
[12:42] <toad_> but i'm the first to admit that not all who call themselves xtian act accordingly
[12:42] <SixNine> you cant cure that problem with donations
[12:42] <toad_> anyway i gotta go do some emergency xmas shopping
[12:43] <toad_> SixNine: exactly
[12:43] <pfeffer> run.sh says starting node but the node does not start and yes it is executable
[12:43] <toad_> SixNine: it's structural issues, inter-state stuff and inter-bank stuff
[12:43] <SixNine> well just governemt itself
[12:43] <toad_> trade injustice, debt conditions, etc etc
[12:43] <SixNine> Take mexico
[12:43] <toad_> ok i gotta go but i'd love to chat later
[12:43] <SixNine> they are probably the most well off of our sothern neighbors
[12:43] <toad_> of course i'm gonna have to work later as well :)
[12:43] <toad_> cya folk
[12:44] <SixNine> but thier people are extremely poor
[12:44] <pfeffer> happy hacking toad
[12:44] <SixNine> ima passout myself
[12:44] * SixNine is now known as Six-zZz
[12:45] <smee> i could ask an obvious question and ask if java was installed, but if you used the installer, it probably is.
[12:45] <pfeffer> yes installed and 1.5
[12:45] <smee> are there any .log files at all?
[12:45] <pfeffer> nop
[12:46] <smee> no folder named 'logs'?
[12:46] <pfeffer> not in the Freenet directory
[12:46] <pfeffer> bin frost lib plugins Uninstaller
[12:47] <pfeffer> no logs folder
[12:47] <smee> well, i think the only thing i can tell you is you're not crazy and imagining things.
[12:47] <pfeffer> :) ok
[12:48] <smee> 'starting freenet' is the only thing it says when you run it?
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[12:48] <pfeffer> yes
[12:48] <pfeffer> do you know the java call the start script makes?
[12:49] <pfeffer> shouldn"t that show some more info
[12:49] <smee> theres some letter to invoke bash with that will make it print everything it does
[12:49] <smee> i don't remember it, though
[12:49] <pfeffer> :(
[12:51] <pfeffer> hmm i see everything is installed as root could that be the problem
[12:52] <smee> maybe
[12:52] <smee> chmod -R user:group .
[12:53] <pfeffer> rock and roll
[12:53] <smee> (fix up for whoever you want running freenet)
[12:53] <pfeffer> that was it
[12:53] <pfeffer> :)
[12:53] <pfeffer> now i will happily join the refs channel
[12:54] <pfeffer> thanks for bearing with me smee
[12:54] <smee> congratulations on fixing the problem on your own.
[12:56] <pfeffer> ah you know how it is sometines you need someone to tell your problem to to understand what the heck you've been doing all the time
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[13:01] <smee> i hope you don't end up with connectivity problems now :-/
[13:02] <Beta_M> note to all: freekiwiki 0,1a has been released on https://sourceforge.net/projects/freekiwiki
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[14:18] <highfly22> hi
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[14:36] <pfeffer> aaah smee i ended up with connectivity problems
[14:36] <pfeffer> what a bummer
[14:37] <pfeffer> i am behind a firewall in a bigger network so i can not forward a port
[14:38] <pfeffer> I thought this is not a problem since freenet uses this hole puncing technique
[14:38] <pfeffer> but it seems like i do not get any connections
[14:44] <pfeffer> question: do I need to be active (port forwarded) or can I connect passiv to my neighbour nodes?
[14:46] <darth> is there a dev online?
[14:46] <darth> cos i have some snmp-related questions
[14:47] <darth> i read the wiki and tried googling for "freenet snmp" but still know nothing about it
[14:48] <darth> the wiki mentions that the snmp runs on port 4000 but the mrtg.cfg talks to port 15717 and 15720 on "storm" community
[14:48] <darth> when i netstat my freenet machine i see no open port for snmp
[14:49] <darth> i just want to know the snmp-specific ini-settings
[14:50] <darth> i know how to setup snmp
[14:50] <darth> so no you wont be spending hours installing snmp and rrdtool with me
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[15:47] <Randan> darth: afaik you need a plugin for snmp
[15:48] <Randan> darth: and that plugin then listens on port x and provides snmp
[15:49] * Randan gets the feeling that he freenet-wiki is hopelessly outdated on that matter
[15:50] <Randan> +t
[15:51] <Randan> darth: You can get the plugin from "http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/plugins/SNMP/"
[15:55] <Randan> darth: Place the jar somewhere where the node can access it, go to the plugins page of your node, and paste "@file:///path/to/plugin/jarname.jar" into the "load plugin" box
[15:55] <Randan> darth: Then pray that it works or ask one of the devs as the above is only guesswork...
[15:55] * Randan never loaded a plugin himself
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[17:06] <Bardamu> hello
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[17:11] <darth> thnx randan
[17:12] <darth> do you have access to edit the wiki, because it does not provide a link to the plugin
[17:12] <darth> only says it works :)
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[17:33] <darth> so does anyone know which dev made the snmp plugin?
[17:46] <Randan> darth: If it fails to load a error message should appear in the file "wrapper.log", perhaps something helpful is in there. It could also be that the plugin requries sun java 1.5, dunno. And I don't know who developed the plugin, but toad, nextgens and zothar for example can probably help anyway.
[17:48] * Randan notices that you need to register to edit the wiki...
[17:48] * Randan is too lazy right now
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[17:55] <bback> hi
[17:57] <smee> i demand you compile a fixed version of frost in post it in the frost-announce board.
[17:57] <bback> once 1008 is out, yes
[17:57] <bback> otherwise a new version makes no sense
[17:57] <bback> because the node does'nt report error 28
[17:57] <smee> but but but . . . that would be after xmas :(
[17:57] <bback> its not my fault
[17:58] <bback> I think they MUST release 1008 NOW
[17:58] <bback> I can't regularly fix this in frost
[17:58] <sandos> I say release 1008 and be done with it. But, alas, toad has gone now so... :)
[17:58] <smee> what about that post by saces
[17:59] <smee> can that person be trusted?
[17:59] <sandos> argh
[17:59] <sandos> I have to disable ipv6 access to emu or something
[17:59] <bback> yes saces can be trusted. he found a way, but its a bad hack (imho). I don't know the side effects of it
[18:00] <bback> hence I can't release the hack to the public. Yes, it seems to work, but what does not work with it, noone knows
[18:02] <sandos> haha
[18:02] <sandos> subversion-over-ipv6 is _so_ broken, for some reason
[18:02] <sandos> I have to disable my 6to4 gateway for svn checkouts to work
[18:02] <bback> I can't understand why 1008 can't be released if toad is not in. What if he has a car accident? project down?
[18:03] <bback> there must be someone who can do this....
[18:03] <sandos> I think nextgens can do it, yes
[18:03] <sandos> I assume we mean "release" as in relase-as-auto-update
[18:03] <bback> so?
[18:04] <bback> yes release it to the public as new version
[18:04] <smee> he said that it had bugs and broke plugins.
[18:04] <sandos> breaking plugins imo is not that bad :)
[18:04] <sandos> but I'm a bad developer ;)
[18:05] <darth> snmp?
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[18:06] <makomk> Yeah - actually, I think I may be responsible for the Frost hack in question. It should work (I have a newer version based on the official code that might be safer) but no guarantees.
[18:07] <bback> who are you?
[18:07] <smee> he is the first person i know to think of checking for simpleprogress messages
[18:07] <smee> i saw him yesterday morning
[18:08] <makomk> smee: Bingo! (I also released a patch/hack based on it...)
[18:08] <bback> I did kow about the simpleprogresses, and that KSK seems to be 2 blocks always (wondered about it for some time)
[18:09] <bback> but where is it documented, why 2 blocks (one redirect + data) ?
[18:09] <bback> is it the current implementation, was it like this forever?
[18:09] <bback> can we trust in 2 blocks per KSK?
[18:10] <makomk> bback: it isn't AFAIK, but if it does ever break it should do so in the direction of not protecting against the attack rather than breaking other stuff, IMO.
[18:10] <bback> makomk: could you be the author of the MoD, per chance?
[18:11] <bback> just a question :)
[18:11] <smee> yeah, if the key absolutely didn't exist, we would get 0 blocks, right?
[18:11] <smee> always?
[18:11] <makomk> Not me - not my style.
[18:11] <bback> *g* ok
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[18:15] <bback> smee: the hack was: if download failed, but we had more than 0 blocks then it was the hack and we handle this index slot as filled but invalid
[18:16] <smee> well, it should probably retry several times. i'm sure a legit KSK could for some reason not have its data immediately available.
[18:17] <smee> i think it did, i looked at the patch but i dont remember the details
[18:17] <smee> so, if this all works, frost can only check one key ahead instead of two.
[18:18] <smee> we increase efficiency?
[18:18] <smee> or w
[18:18] <smee> nevermind
[18:19] <smee> i must concede that i don't know what i'm saying.
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[18:34] <smee> i probably ate something i shouldn't if i keep burping and it smells rotten, right?
[18:34] * smee wonders if he should induce vomiting
[18:35] <smee> or maybe drink lots of water
[18:35] * smee opts to dilute the poison
[18:37] <makomk> bback: BTW, if I got it right, the MoDs should've counted as neither a filled index slot nor an empty one...
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[19:59] <darth> just wanted to say i got the snmp stuff working
[19:59] <darth> dunno how used the link from Randan
[20:00] <darth> now i just need to know settings but it IS working
[20:00] <darth> freebsd if any of the devs are interested
[20:01] <darth> thnx Randan
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[20:09] <toad_> hi
[20:09] <toad_> iirc frost fix doesn't require 1008 ... does it?
[20:10] <toad_> if i release 1008 today and it breaks on sunday who's gonna fix it?
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[20:10] <Randan> the users by downgrading?
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[20:10] <toad_> why can't bback use the hack somebody posted? all you have to do is enable verbose reporting and see if it says successes > 0
[20:10] <Randan> admittedly not all will know how to
[20:15] <toad_> Bombe: around?
[20:16] <Bombe> toad, yes, but unfortunately still quite busy with work... I hope it doesn't take too long, though.
[20:18] <toad_> releasing 1008 without my sayso is not so much impossible as unwise. but right now i am interested in people's opinions/bug reports on their testing of the prereleased 1008
[20:19] <toad_> breaking plugins ... well, does it?
[20:21] <toad_> you can trust in it ... if a file has a content type, or if it doesn't fit in a KSK (which has a limit of 1kB), it will have to go in 2 blocks
[20:22] <toad_> darth: i don't know myself how to get it working
[20:22] <toad_> darth: update the wiki if you manage
[20:23] <toad_> i don't understand why the plugins still load; I've moved HTTPRequest between packages and yet the old jar still loads and apparently executes...
[20:23] <toad_> Bombe: my work is freenet. that means i can't help you over the holiday period ...
[20:23] <toad_> Bombe: if you do any major commits, make sure nobody releases it till either me or nextgens has had a good look at it
[20:23] <Bombe> toad, I think I can get the plugin stuff done without you. I just don't know about auto-upgrading.
[20:23] <Bombe> Okay.
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[20:24] <toad_> i can do auto-upgrading once i get back, it's pretty easy
[20:26] <toad_> if you want to have a look at it, then the code is in node/updater/
[20:26] <toad_> NodeUpdaterManager ties everything together
[20:27] <toad_> <pre>java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space
[20:27] <toad_> at freenet.support.io.BucketTools.toByteArray(BucketTools.java:231)
[20:27] <toad_> at freenet.client.FetchResult.asByteArray(FetchResult.java:53)
[20:27] <toad_> at plugins.Librarian.Librarian.getFullIndex(Librarian.java:116)
[20:27] <toad_> at plugins.Librarian.Librarian.handleHTTPGet(Librarian.java:203)
[20:27] <toad_> at freenet.pluginmanager.PluginManager.handleHTTPGet(PluginManager.java:259)
[20:27] <toad_> at freenet.clients.http.PproxyToadlet.handleGet(PproxyToadlet.java:143)
[20:27] <toad_> at freenet.clients.http.ToadletContextImpl.handle(ToadletContextImpl.java:292)
[20:27] <toad_> at freenet.clients.http.SimpleToadletServer$SocketHandler.run(SimpleToadletServer.java:400)
[20:28] <toad_> at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:619)
[20:28] <toad_> </pre>
[20:28] <toad_> hmmmm
[20:28] <toad_> doh
[20:28] <toad_> sorry folks
[20:28] <toad_> how could that happen?
[20:32] <toad_> hmmm
[20:32] * toad_ tries with 128M limit
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[20:33] <saces> hi.
[20:33] <sandos> what effect (should) multiplying the windowsize with 10 have?
[20:33] <sandos> I'm trying it right now, just for fun...
[20:34] <toad_> sandos: faster transfers on high latency / high bandwidth links but more memory usage?
[20:34] <sandos> ok
[20:34] <saces> toad_: the frost hack works on 1007 to.
[20:35] <toad_> saces: i know, but bback doesn't like it
[20:35] <toad_> okay, Librarian definitely works
[20:36] <saces> but its kills the MoD until the 'clean' sulotion is up.
[20:36] <toad_> Bombe: how come Librarian still works, even though it's built against freenet.clients.http.HTTPRequest, but the node only provides freenet.support.api.HTTPRequest now?
[20:36] <toad_> and freenet.clients.http.HTTPRequestImpl ...
[20:37] <toad_> saces / sandos / anyone: please test current SVN build and tell me if there are any major bugs
[20:37] <sandos> I am
[20:37] <Bombe> toad, don't ask me, I haven't yet really looked at your changes...
[20:37] <sandos> just compiled it
[20:37] <sandos> not that I use my node for much, unfrrtunately
[20:37] <sandos> but I will try some inserts
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[20:41] <darth> does anyone where i can download the spider plugin?
[20:41] <darth> know
[20:42] <toad_> it's built in
[20:42] <toad_> there's probably some help on the wiki
[20:42] <darth> i can't seem to load it
[20:42] <toad_> you just need to load the class
[20:42] <darth> the wiki states that i need to access http://localhost:8888/plugin
[20:42] <darth> which doesnt exist
[20:42] <toad_> darth: it doesn't?
[20:43] <toad_> darth: you using freenet 0.7?
[20:43] <darth> and when i try to load the plugin via the /plugins page it just does nothing
[20:43] <darth> yes and ran the update.sh today so jars and stuff should be up to date
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[20:43] <darth> http://wiki.freenetproject.org/TheDefinitiveSpiderPlugin
[20:44] <toad_> try http://localhost:8888/plugin/
[20:44] <toad_> hmmm
[20:45] <darth> ok so when i access the plugin page firefox tells me: The page isn't redirecting properly
[20:45] <darth> Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete
[20:46] <darth> well i used opera yesterday and that just gave me an error like a 404, that's why i thought it didnt exist
[20:47] <darth> but apparently problem is when redirecting from /plugin -> http://localhost:8888/plugin/?action=list
[20:47] <darth> is the problem on my side?
[20:47] <toad_> spider should be a proper plugin ...
[20:47] <toad_> Bombe: spider should be a proper plugin
[20:47] <toad_> darth: investigating
[20:47] <darth> k
[20:47] <darth> thnx
[20:48] <darth> Freenet 0.7 Build #1007 r11307
[20:48] <darth> Freenet-ext Build #9 r11062
[20:48] <CIA-14> toad * r11512 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/PluginToadlet.java: Make /plugin/ work.
[20:48] <toad_> darth: try with 11512
[20:48] <darth> that would be the alpha versioN?
[20:48] <toad_> yes
[20:48] <toad_> it needs testing
[20:48] <toad_> lots of testin
[20:48] <toad_> g
[20:49] <toad_> but it will be official soon
[20:49] <darth> and i just download the jars from the /alpha index on freenetproject?
[20:49] <toad_> yes
[20:49] <darth> i'll try it and get back to you
[20:49] <toad_> or update.sh testing
[20:49] <toad_> wait for FreenetLogBot to tell you it's been built first
[20:50] <darth> i only see 511 on the page?
[20:50] <toad_> yeah it's still building it
[20:51] <darth> lol, k, dunno much about dev stuff, cvs is greek to me :)
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[20:51] <darth> im a just being the usual annoying user
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[20:51] <Zoianoid> how do you het keys?? neone??
[20:52] <toad_> eh?
[20:52] <toad_> how do you get keys?
[20:52] <toad_> you mean references or keys?
[20:52] <Zoianoid> keys
[20:52] <darth> you get keys from refs
[20:52] <Zoianoid> is it search words?
[20:52] <toad_> frost
[20:52] <toad_> or click on the indexes on the homepage
[20:52] <Zoianoid> thanks
[20:52] <toad_> or use the Librarian search plugin
[20:52] <Zoianoid> thanks
[20:57] <darth> ok i loads the page with 512
[20:57] <darth> it works
[20:57] <darth> btw. there are some problems with one of the skins/themes in opera
[20:58] <darth> you cant highlight your ref-data stuff in /darknet using....
[20:58] <darth> what was that skin... boxed i think it was
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