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[0:53] <JustMe_> Hmmmmmmm
[0:53] <JustMe_> Something is removing my bookmarks from the ini file after the node runs a while.
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[1:04] <JustMe> This is the second time today that my bookmarks have been removed. :|
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[1:16] <toad_> good night
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[4:14] <anonymouse> oh what the shit.. my freenet node is just DOWN for no reason?
[4:15] <anonymouse> what is the point of running it as a service if it can't even restart itself when it crashes
[4:15] <anonymouse> dammit freenet, don't make me write a script
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[7:57] <_ph00> Freenet 0.7 Build #1007 r11457
[7:57] <_ph00> Freenet-ext Build #9 r11062
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[7:59] <_ph00> the fproxy 'home' page is showing a USK key instead of the usual 'index sites' link
[7:59] <_ph00> key is
[7:59] <_ph00> USK@PFeLTa1si2Ml5sDeUy7eDhPso6TPdmw-2gWfQ4Jg02w,3ocfrqgUMVWA2PeorZx40TW0c-FiIOL-TWKQHoDbVdE,AQABAAE/Index/42/%3dDarknet%20Index%20%28Lots%20of%20freesites%20-%20web%20sites%20hosted%20on%20freenet%29
[8:00] <_ph00> when trying to go there, I get "not in archive"
[8:00] <_ph00> (retrying cutting the line at /index/42/ )
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[8:01] <_ph00> got it
[8:02] <_ph00> the link still works, I only had to cut the line after /index/42. I'd say some symbol is missing in the html, probably a >
[8:03] <_ph00> (or a ")
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[8:26] <nextgens> hi
[8:27] <nextgens> FreenetLogBot> c'mon
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[8:39] <JustMe> _ph00: I had to replace my freenet.ini file twice today from a backup because of that.
[8:40] <_ph00> of what? setting request priorities back to HARD and instert priorities to SOFT?
[8:40] <_ph00> I did that and I'm running that way with no problems
[8:40] <JustMe> No the vookmark thing...
[8:40] <JustMe> No the bookmark thing...
[8:41] <_ph00> oh that?
[8:41] <JustMe> Yes.
[8:41] <_ph00> that's not really a problem, I hit the solution at the first try: cut the line after /index/42 and paste it in the address files
[8:41] <_ph00> d
[8:41] <_ph00> field*
[8:42] <JustMe> One time they disapeared after a restart.
[8:42] <_ph00> it will probably be back to normal with the next r
[8:42] <_ph00> how about bookmarking the index site with a regular browser bookmark?
[8:42] <JustMe> Sure that works.
[8:44] <JustMe> Man... I need to go to bed. I have been reading too much on the net tonight. 2:44 am here TTYL
[8:44] <_ph00> btw, seeing insert priority to SOFT *is* giving the node the ability to upload several files at the same time
[8:45] <_ph00> 9:45AM here
[8:45] <JustMe> Yes works good for me too.
[8:45] <_ph00> you said set all to SOFT
[8:45] <_ph00> I've been suggested to keep download priorities to HARD
[8:45] <JustMe> Well I had it that way and it worked ok.
[8:45] <_ph00> and only set inster priorities to SOFT
[8:45] <_ph00> that works great
[8:46] <JustMe> I reset it as you said and all seems to be fine.
[8:46] <_ph00> all to SOFT could slow down your page loading/file downloading, I heard
[8:46] <JustMe> I understand.
[8:46] <nextgens> JustMe> using trunk or stable ?
[8:47] <JustMe> almost always trunk.
[8:48] <JustMe> That way you know if something breaks.
[8:48] <JustMe> ;)
[8:49] <nextgens> hmm
[8:49] <nextgens> it might be my bad
[8:49] <nextgens> toad's refactoring has broken the trunk ... and I might have introduced new bugs trying to fix it
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[8:55] <tessier_> Guys, the freenet cvs mailing list is gonna drive me nuts.
[8:56] <tessier_> I'm not even sure why I didn't unsub years ago.
[8:56] <tessier_> But lately it has been sending messages with List-Id: <cvs.freenetproject.org> but sometimes with List-Id: cvs.freenetproject.org
[8:56] <gahwtf> I just updated to latest... 'node distrobution circle thingy' was too tempting to pass up :P
[8:56] <tessier_> Which makes it rather hard to procmail.
[8:57] <nextgens> tessier_> I appologize about it
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[8:58] <nextgens> for some unknow reason, some mails got lost ...
[8:58] <nextgens> and I had to re-trigger the script sending diffs
[8:58] <nextgens> maybe I used different parameters :$
[8:59] <nextgens> still, as it's going though mailman, the list-id shouldn't change
[8:59] <nextgens> that's weird in fact
[8:59] <nextgens> hmm
[8:59] <nextgens> the correct list-id is <cvs.freenetproject.org>
[9:00] <tessier_> I have now procmailed both forms of the list-id so I should be able to stop pulling my hair out over why it keeps eluding me now. :)
[9:00] <tessier_> Took me a while to realize the list-id was changing.
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[9:07] <nextgens> theseeker> so, how does it look like ?
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[9:17] <theseeker> nextgens: pretty neat. I assume the blue X is my own location, that 0 is at the top, and that locations go higher clockwise. correct?
[9:18] <nextgens> I dunno :) I haven't tried it myself
[9:20] <theseeker> I'm connected to 16 peers, and the circle makes it easy to see that none of them have locations that are very far from my own.
[9:27] <nextgens> we should include "uptime" in probe requests
[9:28] <nextgens> so far my node counted 24 nodes on 2% of the keyspace
[9:38] <nextgens> doh, the request has been lost
[9:38] <nextgens> :/
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[9:46] <courlan> Hello
[9:46] <courlan> anyone here
[9:50] <nextgens> go ahead, ask your question
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[9:58] <nextgens> courlan> ^
[10:06] <tessier_> How is freenet working these days anyway?
[10:06] <tessier_> Is it useful for anything yet?
[10:09] <nextgens> I guess it depends on what you indend to use it for
[10:10] <nextgens> it's not ready for mass copyright infrigment if it's what you are looking for
[10:10] <tessier_> Not necessarily.
[10:11] <nextgens> frost performs fine ... it's a usenet like messenging system over freenet
[10:11] <tessier_> I have used frost many times.
[10:11] <tessier_> Polling at the existance of KSK's seems like a kludge though.
[10:11] <nextgens> they are some cool freesites
[10:11] <tessier_> Is it no longer considered a DoS on freenet?
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[10:11] <nextgens> it's still as kludgy as it was :)
[10:11] <tessier_> I think it is bundled with freenet now isn't it?
[10:11] <nextgens> no
[10:12] <tessier_> Does it even have proper threading of messages yet?
[10:12] <nextgens> as we have "cut down" its capabilities
[10:12] <nextgens> it does have it now
[10:12] <tessier_> Cool. That was a sorely needed feature for a very long time.
[10:12] <nextgens> well, not the version we are bundling ... but the current cvs HEAD has
[10:12] <tessier_> It seemed like frost development was completely abandoned for a couple years there.
[10:12] <nextgens> no, bback is back :)
[10:13] <nextgens> he has addopted a release cycle "à la debian"
[10:13] <nextgens> that's all
[10:13] <nextgens> the new versions of frost aren't "released" as such, he is asking people for testing on the "frost" public board
[10:19] <nextgens> CHK@FD1rP2m788Z13YEh5nIqhJ63-RwKIlsKxl1Zz4BV38A,UXg2df1Gl97XMPXYqNDu9Lpr-GFM20zson7Sck28CbA,AAEC--8/frost-24-Nov-2006.zip
[10:19] <nextgens> that's the latest snapshoot bback has published
[10:21] <nextgens> -o
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[10:37] <_ph00> the 'peer location disibution' thingy is very cool... but 14 of mey peers are disconnected (I know that at least 4-5 of them *are* up)
[10:37] <_ph00> my*
[10:41] <railk> wow fproxy sure slows down when you're requesting stuff in the background..
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[10:42] <_ph00> updated to latest testing: the node keeps crashing right after start
[10:43] <_ph00> (I'm pasting wrapper log on a pastebin)
[10:47] <_ph00> this is what is happening ==> http://pastebin.ca/282155
[10:47] <_ph00> (I'm back to latest stable)
[10:50] <nextgens> _ph00> I need your freenet-latest.log to fix it
[10:50] <_ph00> k
[10:50] <_ph00> should I mail it to you?
[10:50] <_ph00> what address?
[10:51] <_ph00> pastebin?
[10:52] <_ph00> nextgens: http://pastebin.ca/282163 (latest.log)
[10:54] <_ph00> hm
[10:55] <_ph00> I've downgraded back to latest stable but it keeps crashing
[10:55] <_ph00> I'm doing something wrong, probably... but what?
[10:55] <_ph00> (I run update.sh, athat's all I'm doing)
[10:56] <_ph00> I also tried to rename freenet-stable-latest.jar to freenet.jar before starting, but it crashes anyways
[10:58] <nextgens> hmm
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[10:58] <tarbuk> hi all
[10:58] <nextgens> one of your peer is advertising an ipv6 address
[10:59] <nextgens> your node is trying to connect ... and get an unreachable error problem
[10:59] <nextgens> maybe we ought to fallback to ipv4 in such case
[10:59] <tarbuk> i'm having trouble to setup frost with ssh forwarding, anyone can help ?
[11:00] <nextgens> frost and ssh fowarding ?
[11:01] <nextgens> #
[11:01] <nextgens> Dec 17, 2006 10:40:51:480 (freenet.node.Node, PacketSender thread for 0, ERROR): maybeLogPeerNodeStatusSummary() not called for more than 10 seconds (10226). PacketSender getting bogged down or something?
[11:01] <nextgens> :<
[11:02] <nextgens> ok, I get what the problem is
[11:02] <_ph00> what?
[11:02] <nextgens> _ph00> using stable doesn't solve the problem, does it?
[11:02] <_ph00> nope
[11:02] <nextgens> :)
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[11:03] <nextgens> please paste the output of "ip -6 route"
[11:03] <nextgens> somewhere
[11:03] <_ph00> k
[11:04] <_ph00> PM'd
[11:04] <nextgens> one of your peers is advertizing a real ipv6 address
[11:05] <nextgens> and your node is trying to connect to it ...
[11:05] <nextgens> and it fails as you do have only a link-local address and no gateway
[11:05] <_ph00> but I can connect to ipv6 addresses on http
[11:05] <nextgens> really ?
[11:05] <_ph00> pastebin.ca shows a ipv6 address
[11:05] <tarbuk> i've a node running on an other box and want to forward requests, it work with port 8888, so i can browse freenet, but didn't with 8481, any idea?
[11:06] <nextgens> _ph00> http://www.kame.net/ is the kame dancing ?
[11:06] <_ph00> I see a turtle
[11:06] <_ph00> it moves
[11:07] <nextgens> tarbuk> if you don't mind about security (aka the LAN is trusted) I suggest you change fcp.binTo and fcp.allowedHost insteed
[11:07] <nextgens> huh
[11:07] <_ph00> This is a MOSAIC version.
[11:07] <_ph00> If you migrate to IPv6 HTTP, you'll be able to view the NON-MOSAIC DANCING KAME
[11:07] <_ph00> hm
[11:07] <_ph00> I guess I can't connect to ipv6 addresses after all...
[11:07] <_ph00> how my show-ip extension shows ipv6 addresses then?
[11:08] <_ph00> maybe I need to enable something
[11:08] <nextgens> I told you; they are link-local addresses
[11:08] <_ph00> yes, you told me, but I didn't understand what that means
[11:08] <tarbuk> nextgens, it's over internet... so not trusted ;)
[11:09] <nextgens> _ph00> they start by fe80: right ?
[11:09] <nextgens> tarbuk> -p 2222 -L 8888:localhost:8888 -L 9481:localhost:9481 -L 2323:localhost:2323 -NvCxf
[11:09] <_ph00> no...
[11:09] <nextgens> tarbuk> those are the options I use with ssh
[11:09] <nextgens> and "workforme(TM)"
[11:10] <_ph00> the addresses I see when the show-ip extension shows ipv6 addresses, ususllay start wioth 2000: or 2001:
[11:10] <_ph00> sually, with*
[11:10] <_ph00> u
[11:10] <nextgens> please paste me the output of "ip -6 addr"
[11:10] <_ph00> any quick way to get my node back up?
[11:10] <_ph00> k
[11:11] <nextgens> the quick way is to remove the peer advertising ipv6 addresses :)
[11:11] <nextgens> or to disable it for the time beeing at least
[11:11] <_ph00> what peer is that?
[11:11] <_ph00> (the one witha a ipv6 address?)
[11:12] <_ph00> (looking at peers-<nr.>
[11:13] <nextgens> 3ffe:831f:4136:e37c:0:fa40:b917:a334:60167
[11:13] <nextgens> look for the portnumber
[11:13] <nextgens> and ensure the node is down before taking any action
[11:13] <nextgens> hmm
[11:14] <nextgens> according to logs, you have got an other error
[11:14] <nextgens> is your freenet.ini file "looking good" ?
[11:15] <_ph00> I don't know how it should look like...
[11:15] <_ph00> I'm removing all the peers with ipv6 addresses,
[11:15] <_ph00> (I'm saving the refs)
[11:16] <nextgens> you don't have to remove them
[11:16] <nextgens> put the ipv4 address in front, that's all
[11:17] <_ph00> ok
[11:17] <nextgens> hmm
[11:17] <_ph00> ipv4 fist, ipv6 last?
[11:17] <nextgens> how many bookmarks do you have ?
[11:17] <nextgens> may I get a copy of your freenet.ini as well please ?
[11:17] <_ph00> only the default
[11:17] <tarbuk> nextgens, seems to work, thanks (dunno what was wrong ...)
[11:17] <_ph00> I bookmark using the browser bookarking
[11:18] <_ph00> freenet.ini
[11:18] <_ph00> OK
[11:18] <_ph00> bookmarking*
[11:19] <_ph00> nextgens: freenet.ini ==> http://pastebin.ca/282193
[11:20] <nextgens> :D
[11:20] <nextgens> _ph00> get rid of fproxy.bookmarks= and it will start
[11:20] <nextgens> still, there is a bug :)
[11:20] <nextgens> but that will workaround it
[11:21] <nextgens> I wonder how you/your node managed to do that
[11:21] <_ph00> got it: I have one peer with no ipv4 addressesd, only ipv6
[11:21] <_ph00> get rid of...
[11:21] <_ph00> OK
[11:21] <_ph00> (I'll leave that peer alone, for now)
[11:22] <nextgens> _ph00> that's a bug too
[11:22] <nextgens> may I have its ARK please ?
[11:23] <_ph00> of course you can... I I knew exactly what to copy
[11:23] <_ph00> ark
[11:23] <_ph00> OK
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[11:24] <_ph00> I never put all those bookmarks in there...
[11:25] <nextgens> that's a bug
[11:25] <nextgens> I'm filling in tickets for it
[11:25] <nextgens> they are three bugs in fact
[11:26] <nextgens> _ph00> nice catch :)
[11:26] <_ph00> :)
[11:26] <nextgens> https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=1022
[11:26] <nextgens> it was already reported in fact
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[11:29] <_ph00> nextgens: looks like it's starting (I deleted all that shit from fproxy.bookmarks
[11:29] <_ph00> and you anted the ARK
[11:29] <_ph00> where should I look for it?
[11:29] <_ph00> ark number? ark line? where?
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[11:29] <Bardamu> hello
[11:30] <_ph00> nextgens: it's up with 11307 now
[11:32] <_ph00> nextgens: I don't have any bookmarks in 'home' page now, I'm gonna try and run latest testing again, and see if it works
[11:32] <nextgens> it's a bug I've introduced yesterday
[11:32] <nextgens> let me fix it first
[11:32] <_ph00> (I bookmarked the default index witha firefox boomark)
[11:32] <_ph00> ah, OK
[11:33] <_ph00> I'll grab the next r whan CIA announces it, then
[11:33] <_ph00> is that OK?
[11:33] <nextgens> yes
[11:33] <_ph00> when*
[11:33] <_ph00> ok
[11:33] <_ph00> the bug was about all that shit getting added to the bookmarks?
[11:34] <nextgens> the bug is about a missing separator
[11:34] <Bardamu> nextgens: when we are a lot of refs, it's more fast ?
[11:35] <nextgens> faster you mean ? it depends
[11:35] <Bardamu> yes :p
[11:35] <nextgens> it depends on how many you already have :)
[11:35] <nextgens> having more than 10 refs is useless
[11:35] <nextgens> imo
[11:36] <Bardamu> i have 2 refs connected lol
[11:37] <nextgens> then getting more is sensible
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[11:37] <nextgens> _ph00> in fact I'll let toad fix it :) it's his bad :p
[11:38] <_ph00> hm
[11:39] <_ph00> I wonder what happens if I comment out the bookmerk line in freenet.ini and then run the latest testing. (nothing should be added then... but will it start?)
[11:39] <nextgens> it will be wiped out
[11:39] <nextgens> they aren't any "comments" in config file
[11:39] <_ph00> hm
[11:40] <_ph00> ok
[11:40] <nextgens> unknown settings are discarded
[11:40] <_ph00> no comments then
[11:40] <_ph00> if I delete that line then? would the node start anyway?
[11:40] <nextgens> yes
[11:40] <nextgens> of course it will
[11:40] <_ph00> k
[11:40] <nextgens> but your bookmarks will be reset the same way
[11:41] <nextgens> brb
[11:43] <_ph00> they already are resteed, and I don't use that feature anyway, I use 'regular' browser bookmarking instead
[11:43] <_ph00> looks like it's working...
[11:45] <_ph00> it's up with 11457 now (wasn't the latest r 11459?)
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[11:47] <Beta_M> hello, i'm trying to do the whole freenet plugin thing, but it doesn't load. When i press load in localhost:8888/plugins/ it simply ignores me. Is it looking for something special that i'm missing?
[11:49] <_ph00> I never succeeded in loading Librarian, but for JSTUN it does work by typing *@file:///path/to/freenet/plugins/JSTUN.jar
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[11:54] <Beta_M> i actually have only librarian plugin running
[11:54] <Beta_M> i've tried adding *@ in front of the file:/// and it didn't work either
[11:55] <Beta_M> ping developers or anybody who knows about plugins
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[12:06] <nextgens> hi
[12:06] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11460 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/config/StringArrOption.java:
[12:06] <CIA-14> * Fix #1022 -Bookmarks broken! (not separated anymore)-
[12:06] <CIA-14> and maybe #1024 as well
[12:06] <nextgens> Beta_M> hmm, it works for me
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[12:07] <nextgens> Beta_M> what's the exact line you are using in the box ?
[12:07] <nextgens> _ph00> I've commited a fix, try r11460
[12:07] <_ph00> k
[12:08] <Beta_M> nextgens: it might be something wrong with the plugin that i'm creating, since Librarian *did* load before (and is still loaded)
[12:08] <Beta_M> *@file:///home/volodya/workspace/Freenet/src/plugins/dist/freekiwikiclient.jar
[12:08] <Beta_M> file:///home/volodya/workspace/Freenet/src/plugins/dist/freekiwikiclient.jar
[12:08] <Beta_M> i've used both of these lines
[12:09] <Beta_M> /home/volodya/workspace/Freenet/src/plugins/dist/freekiwikiclient.jar
[12:09] <Beta_M> and this one just tried now
[12:09] <nextgens> _ph00> see if #1024 is fixed too please
[12:09] <Beta_M> so my question is, where can i see if something is wrong with what i've done in *my* plugin
[12:09] <_ph00> 1024?
[12:10] <nextgens> Beta_M> increasing the loglevel on pluginmanager ? :)
[12:10] <nextgens> Beta_M> show me the code of your plugin and I'll try to help you if you wan
[12:10] <nextgens> +t
[12:10] <nextgens> _ph00> "Default Index site link error (prob. HTML error)"
[12:10] <_ph00> oh, that
[12:10] <Beta_M> can i just send you the java file?
[12:11] <Beta_M> it's simply a test for now, nothing exciting
[12:11] <_ph00> I don't have any bookmarks left
[12:11] <_ph00> btw, I did upddate.sh testing but I got 11457 again
[12:11] <nextgens> Beta_M> go ahead
[12:11] <_ph00> update*
[12:11] <nextgens> Beta_M> have you tried the "HellowWorld" plugin ?
[12:12] * nextgens wonders if it worths writting an unit test for config
[12:12] <Beta_M> the thing is that it's not that something breaks, it's that the plugin doesn't load at all
[12:12] <nextgens> we screw it up on a regular basis :D
[12:12] <nextgens> Beta_M> sure, but it gives an exception in logs
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[12:13] <nextgens> [12:12] [freenode] --- | DCC SEND from Beta_M [127.0.0.1 port 56378]: Freekiwiki.java [2kB]
[12:13] <nextgens> [12:13] [freenode] --- | DCC can't connect to 127.0.0.1 port 56378
[12:13] <Beta_M> crap, i think i see where the possible error came from
[12:13] <nextgens> forget about dcc :)
[12:13] <nextgens> your client is missconfigured
[12:13] <nextgens> use a pastebin or email
[12:13] <Beta_M> hold on, i might have found the error already
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[12:15] <_ph00> nextgens: OK, I re-added the default bookmark, run update.sh testing, and I'm restarting now
[12:15] <nextgens> keep me posted
[12:15] <_ph00> k
[12:15] <nextgens> well, removing the bookmark line was fine too
[12:15] <nextgens> it would have re-created them
[12:16] <nextgens> play around a bit with the bookmark manager ... and restart your node
[12:16] <nextgens> see if freenet.ini is mangled afterwards
[12:16] <_ph00> yes,, the bookmark line was auto-recreated, when I wentt there to re-add it, it was already there.
[12:16] <Bardamu> how can i change my frost nickname ?
[12:17] <_ph00> then I re-added the default bookmark using the web interface
[12:17] <_ph00> then I grabbed latest testing and restarted
[12:17] <_ph00> it's now up and running with:
[12:17] <_ph00> Freenet 0.7 Build #1007 r11460
[12:17] <_ph00> Freenet-ext Build #9 r11062
[12:17] <nextgens> or, add a new bookmark ...
[12:17] <nextgens> and restart
[12:17] <_ph00> seems to be no probnlem, the bookmark looks fine
[12:17] <_ph00> ok
[12:17] <nextgens> and show me the generated line in freenet.ini
[12:17] <_ph00> adding another bokkmark, and restarting...
[12:18] <_ph00> the bookmarks line?
[12:18] <nextgens> yes
[12:18] <_ph00> after adding a new one?
[12:18] <_ph00> OK
[12:18] <nextgens> ensure it has ';' at some point
[12:18] <Beta_M> ok, i'm getting programming errors now, but at least it works
[12:18] <Beta_M> i mean it's loaded
[12:18] <nextgens> :)
[12:19] <nextgens> too bad sanity has discouraged toad from working on the new plugin api yesterday :|
[12:20] <_ph00> nextgens: bookmark line
[12:20] <_ph00> fproxy.bookmarks=USK%40PFeLTa1si2Ml5sDeUy7eDhPso6TPdmw-2gWfQ4Jg02w%2c3ocfrqgUMVWA2PeorZx40TW0c-FiIOL-TWKQHoDbVdE%2cAQABAAE/Index/42/%3ddefault%20index;USK%40c55vMxUl-T-lD3nv0iOaXF%7eG1hnY6pOMRbzZSwACMmY%2cyd8%7euwUmGm164-ipStoiBOJVjkbbYXJMlD%7eH5ftPxIA%2cAQABAAE/Indicia/52/%3dindicia;
[12:20] <_ph00> restarting node...
[12:20] <Beta_M> really, why did he do that?
[12:21] <tessier_> Why have plugins when the fundamentals don't even work yet?
[12:22] <_ph00> nextgens: up and running, the bookmarks look fine.
[12:23] <Beta_M> tessier_: because plugins would allow to extend fundamentals that already do work
[12:23] <nextgens> _ph00> cool, it's fixed then
[12:23] <nextgens> :)
[12:23] <nextgens> tessier_> fundamentals were working before toad commited his big refactoring and ran away :)
[12:24] <Beta_M> lol
[12:24] <nextgens> _ph00> please test #1024 now :)
[12:25] <nextgens> tessier_> btw, I'm currently writting unit tests to prevent toad from re-doing such thing :p
[12:25] <_ph00> test #1024? the but was that the bookamrkes looked wrong, they don't do that longer
[12:25] <_ph00> bug
[12:25] <nextgens> ok
[12:25] <_ph00> it can be cosidered fixed, I think
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[12:25] <_ph00> n
[12:25] <tessier_> nextgens: Are nodes exhibiting specialization yet?
[12:26] <nextgens> YAY, mantis is broken!
[12:26] <_ph00> well, those bookmarks looks like they should, and they work too: bug definitely fixed
[12:26] <nextgens> tessier_> all nodes are ... as we are using a two level datastore
[12:27] <Beta_M> on a sidenote, why do i have a file that is 110.5% completely downloaded? but not finished
[12:27] <tessier_> nextgens: What is a two level datastore?
[12:27] <nextgens> tessier_> unfortunatly, most of the "hits" are comming from the 'cache' (temporary non-specialized DS)
[12:27] <nextgens> Beta_M> that can occur with FEC :/
[12:27] <_ph00> a dastastore wth more than one level, but less than three :P
[12:28] <tessier_> _ph00: Thank you, Captain Obvious. :)
[12:28] <nextgens> tessier_> we do have two different datastores : one caching "long term" stuffs -specialized- and one caching "seen" stuffs
[12:29] <nextgens> they are two goals : 1) increase performances 2) fight against datastore probing
[12:30] <tessier_> I'm still surprised freenet worries about things like datastore probing when the system doesn't even really work well yet.
[12:31] <tessier_> It seems like freenet has spent years fighting theoretical attacks while not actually getting anywhere.
[12:32] <nextgens> I do think that 0.7 is far more intuitive than were previous versions
[12:32] <nextgens> and regarding speed, I do think it's faster
[12:32] <nextgens> btw, what makes you think it's not performing well ?
[12:33] <nextgens> specialisation of datastores might be an indicator
[12:33] <nextgens> but on a big enough network ;)
[12:34] <tessier_> I guess I should download the latest and give it a spin. It's been a while since I tried it last.
[12:34] <nextgens> we can't assume that routing doesn't work unless we proove that 1) the network is big enough 2) requests are "scarce"(whatever it's spelt) enough
[12:34] <tessier_> I ran it 9 months ago and couldn't do squat with it.
[12:34] <nextgens> 9 months ago it was the early days of 0.7 :)
[12:34] <tessier_> And I left it running for a week so as to learn about the network.
[12:35] <nextgens> there isn't any "network learning" anymore
[12:35] <tessier_> It would be nice if it could be counted on as a long running daemon also. It used to always crash or run me out of memory after just a few days.
[12:35] <tessier_> No more network learning?
[12:35] <tessier_> Oh, and what about collecting noderefs?
[12:35] <nextgens> you will have to give it "some time" to "find a room" on the keyspace ... but that's matter of hours
[12:35] <nextgens> not days
[12:35] <tessier_> I ran a bot for a few days to collect nodefs due to dark net.
[12:36] <tessier_> Is dark net still the only option?
[12:36] <nextgens> they weren't any bots available for that purpose 9 months ago :)
[12:36] <nextgens> yes
[12:36] <tessier_> I wrote one.
[12:36] <nextgens> opennet has theorical problems
[12:41] <_ph00> where do I get the latest version fo frost?
[12:41] <Beta_M> ok, the "programming errors" were due to the "refactoring" that nextgens refered to... ahhhh! (updating the node from the svn)
[12:42] <_ph00> download.freenetproject?
[12:42] <nextgens> Beta_M> ^-^^
[12:43] <Beta_M> now it doesn't load again... q;-(
[12:43] <Beta_M> and librarian is broken
[12:43] <Beta_M> because the plugin api was "refactored"
[12:45] <Beta_M> yippieee.... it doesn't work... again, but at least loads
[12:55] <Bardamu> how can i change my pseudonyme in frost ?
[12:55] <nextgens> it depends on the version you're using
[12:55] <nextgens> with latest version, there is an identity manager
[12:58] <Bardamu> it's the latest version
[13:00] <nextgens> CHK@FD1rP2m788Z13YEh5nIqhJ63-RwKIlsKxl1Zz4BV38A,UXg2df1Gl97XMPXYqNDu9Lpr-GFM20zson7Sck28CbA,AAEC--8/frost-24-Nov-2006.zip ?
[13:02] <Bardamu> no it's 20 jun 2006 version
[13:03] <nextgens> ok, update then :)
[13:03] <Bardamu> ok
[13:08] <Bardamu> nextgens: where can i find thaw ?
[13:08] <nextgens> it's bundled by the installer
[13:08] <nextgens> or you can grab it from the download website
[13:09] <Bardamu> ok
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[13:46] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11461 /trunk/freenet/build.xml: build.xml: We ought to do junit testing only if available. (resolves 1023: ant now depends on junit and always builds the 'test' files)
[13:54] <nextgens> Bardamu> I need to see the source code for beeing able to comment :)
[13:54] <nextgens> raah
[13:54] <nextgens> sorry
[13:54] <nextgens> wrong. channel
[13:57] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11462 /trunk/freenet/ (.classpath test/freenet/crypt/DSAGroupGeneratorTest.java): update the .classpath to make eclipse compile unit tests
[14:30] <Bardamu> nextgens: source code of what ?
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[15:23] <Bardamu> http://pastebin.ca/282397
[15:23] <Bardamu> help me pleas :(
[15:23] <Bardamu> i can't run Freemule
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[15:30] <nextgens> you need a 1.5 jvm at least
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[15:52] <CIA-14> zothar * r11463 /trunk/apps/pyFreenet/refbot.py: refbot: Update the download info to use the new pyFreenet-latest.tbz tarball
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[16:34] <CIA-14> zothar * r11464 /trunk/apps/pyFreenet/refbot.py: refbot: Do a little sanity checking on some integer configuration values
[16:42] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11465 /trunk/website/index.php: website: include the user-agent in the report
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[16:50] <CIA-14> zothar * r11466 /trunk/apps/pyFreenet/refbot.py: refbot: Don't check the ref identity against the node's identity before checking that we have an identity field available to check
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[17:06] <Treyvan> N17R0 - if you put ?raw on the end of your URL people will get it directly without having to cut/paste
[17:13] <Treyvan> \part
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[18:32] <CIA-14> zothar * r11467 /trunk/apps/pyFreenet/fcp/node.py: Allow passing a noderef to FCPNode.addpeer() as a Python dictionary
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[18:42] <nextgens> hi
[18:42] <Zothar> hi
[18:43] <Zothar> things settling down for a soon release of 1008?
[18:43] <nextgens> Zothar> I'm still not convinced you should spend that much effort in the "bot" script :)
[18:43] <nextgens> nah
[18:43] <nextgens> they are pleinty of bugs awaiting for a fix
[18:43] <nextgens> I've fixed a configuration file screw up today
[18:43] <Zothar> yeah, I've got fix to commit in a sec for FCP-based ref adding
[18:44] <nextgens> I've fixed one causing a configuration file screw up today even
[18:45] <nextgens> and they are weird things happening
[18:45] <nextgens> like https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=1026
[18:45] <nextgens> of course I can prevent the ArithmeticException ... but I don't understand how it can possible happen
[18:46] <nextgens> and I would prefer to catch the root cause
[18:46] <nextgens> any idea ?
[18:46] <Zothar> nextgens: maybe you know the answer to this: does the swapping algorithm not automatically create the "small world" model over time?
[18:46] <Zothar> I'll take a look at 1026
[18:48] <nextgens> the swapping algorithm won't make it if peers don't have around the same "number" of peers
[18:48] <nextgens> and I'm effraid scripts like yours are encouraging people to get much more references that what they would have if they had to do it by hand
[18:49] <nextgens> hence I'm against them
[18:49] <Zothar> so swapping likes all nodes to have roughly the same number of peers? swapping tries to fix the location to a "small world" right?
[18:49] <Zothar> (assuming it can work correctly)
[18:50] <nextgens> you can't have a small world if peers don't have roughly the same amount of peers yes
[18:50] <Zothar> nextgens: I'm interested in ways of making refbot.py do things intelligently, encouraging good behavior
[18:50] <nextgens> I'm not an expert in small worlds ... ask hobx or sanity ; they designed the routing algorithm
[18:50] <Zothar> do you know if the swapping algo cares about the locations of non-connected peers?
[18:51] <nextgens> it does iirc
[18:51] <nextgens> have a look to LocationManager
[18:52] <Zothar> I could make the bot try to connect with a "small world" location distribution similar to that shown in the video; I could also make the bot not add peers if the number of connected peers is already above the value shown in avrConnPeersPerNode on /stats/
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[18:52] <Zothar> I'm thinking about ways of making the bot manage peers more than just adding them
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[18:57] <freenut> cannot connect to http://127.0.0.1:8888
[18:57] <Zothar> freenut: perhaps your node is down?
[18:58] <freenut> well, ya .i somehow got bumped off then couldnt re connect
[18:58] <freenut> got that message
[18:59] <Zothar> restart your node :)
[19:00] <freenut> i tried but got that message .cant get to the node page
[19:00] <freenut> know what i mean?
[19:01] <Zothar> how did you try to start your node?
[19:01] <freenut> ummm?i forgot
[19:01] <freenut> run.sh or something
[19:02] <CIA-14> zothar * r11468 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/fcp/AddPeer.java: Fix a problem with signature verification when adding a peer via FCP.
[19:02] <Zothar> for unix: run.sh start
[19:02] <Zothar> maybe ./run.sh start
[19:02] <Zothar> (depends on paths, etc.)
[19:03] <freenut> ok i'll try that thanks.but it was up and running for like 3 days then BAM!
[19:05] <Zothar> it's not perfect yet; alpha quality software and all that...
[19:05] <freenut> says "starting freenet 0.7" thats good right?
[19:06] <Zothar> yep
[19:06] <freenut> now what?
[19:06] <nextgens> Zothar> keep in mind that it's an estimate
[19:07] <nextgens> Zothar> you'd better hard code it to some arbitrary value
[19:07] <Zothar> OK: 20 :)
[19:08] <Zothar> or double the value since nodes seem to leave so fast at times...
[19:08] <Zothar> function of average of % time routable or something for connected nodes :)
[19:11] <nextgens> Zothar> I've got 7 refs connected here
[19:11] <nextgens> Zothar> and 10 total
[19:11] <Zothar> you've got a well groomed list of peers though
[19:12] <nextgens> as everyone ought to have
[19:12] <freenut> Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at 127.0.0.1:8888.
[19:12] <Zothar> yes, they should, but the current reality is that most get their peers on #freenet-refs and I'm trying to use the bot in a way to optimize that on all sides
[19:14] <sanity> Zothar: basically the more peers the better
[19:15] <Zothar> sanity: well yes, but at some point, more peers is worse rather than better
[19:15] <sanity> Zothar: the important thing is that the probability of a connection appearing between two peers must be 1/d where d is the distance between them (remembering that node locations are circular, 0==1)
[19:15] <sanity> Zothar: well, yes, from a network overhead perspective
[19:16] <sanity> Zothar: but i think you would need a lot of peers before running into that limit
[19:17] <Zothar> sanity: I can make refbot.py select the peers it trades with based on keeping the distance distribution in the Google video, but I figure I've gotta get more people using the bot before that really works and perhaps opennet can happen first, depending
[19:17] <Zothar> I could give it a preference to that at least
[19:17] <sanity> Zothar: yes, opennet is definitely the optimal solution to the problem. any chance of you working on that instead? :-)
[19:18] <Zothar> sanity: I'm doing the refbot until opennet can be simulated and all that; I haven't seen a design spec to code to yet and am not up on all the theory behind it's operation yet
[19:19] <nextgens> Zothar> the problem is that your bot won't do any better than any opennet anyway
[19:19] <nextgens> even a not simulated one
[19:19] <sanity> Zothar: i have simulated opennet with darknet, it works pretty well - although it is a high-level simulation
[19:19] <Zothar> I also agree with others that load balancing/load limiting needs to be deployed before opennet is and my developments would be committed to the repository as I went, so I don't know how well it could be "contained" until everything's ready
[19:19] <nextgens> and btw, again, the first problem you'll experience adding more nodes will be load-limiting related
[19:20] <sanity> Zothar: see http://wiki.freenetproject.org/OpennetDesign
[19:20] <Zothar> nextgens: my bot is meant to be a "in-between" compromise until opennet happens; it can possibly quiet some of the pro-opennet people a bit if it's easy enough
[19:20] <sanity> Zothar: i think that load balancing should be deployed before opennet, but that doesn't mean that we have to wait until load balancing is deployed before we *begin* work on opennet
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[19:21] <Zothar> sanity: is the wiki what everybody thinks will be implemented for opennet or are there still things that aren't hammered out yet?
[19:22] <nextgens> toad has written it iirc
[19:22] * nextgens won't contribute to it any time soon
[19:22] <nextgens> sanity and hobx would have edited it if they wanted to do it
[19:22] <sanity> Zothar: well, toad and i agree on it
[19:23] <Zothar> sanity: I might take a look
[19:23] <nextgens> so it's as if it was casted in stone :)
[19:23] <sanity> casted in stone... on a wiki :-)
[19:23] <Zothar> heh ::)
[19:23] <sanity> or cast in stone rather
[19:24] <nextgens> Zothar> still, if you want to work on it, I suggest you create an svn branch
[19:25] <Zothar> dunno; gotta see if it'll co-exist well first and I'd hate to have to deal with lots of merging often and all that
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[19:26] <sanity> Zothar: i would guess that the changes required for opennet wouldn't be that painful to merge, as they would be in parts of the codebase that I don't think are really being worked on by anyone
[19:27] <Zothar> true, but it'd be easier for testing and such if compiling with opennet is just a few source code tweaks to code everybody's got anyway
[19:28] <Zothar> I might build it "backwards" anyway, starting with the assumption that a node already has a few peers and then worry about seeds, etc.
[19:32] <sanity> Zothar: if you are really going to tackle this, which would be great, definitely discuss it with toad first
[19:32] <sanity> Zothar: you won't find him today, Sunday is his day off
[19:33] <Zothar> sanity: yeah; Saturday is my day off; I'm kinda thinking update over mandatory might should be in before opennet too
[19:34] <sanity> Zothar: perhaps, but opennet will be a big thing, and it is possible to work on several things at once
[19:34] <Zothar> true; I'll probably drop off the radar for a couple weeks later this week due to vacation
[19:35] <sanity> Zothar: ah, in that case it might be better for you not to start
[19:36] <CIA-14> zothar * r11469 /trunk/apps/pyFreenet/refbot.py: refbot: Count bot2bot trades toward our refsperrun. Add via FCP once node build 1008 comes out.
[19:40] <IMCensored1> what can i do to stop my node from randomly crashing - http://dark-code.bulix.org/3chy78-26437?raw - is an excerpt from the wrapper log
[19:49] <IMCensored1> every time its cause the JVM hangs ... happens on my windows box ... happens on others linux boxes....
[19:56] <N17R0> hi I am connected to 14 nodes, but the freenet browsing is like im on dail-up or even worse connection
[19:57] <railk> N17R0: thats pretty much normal
[19:57] <N17R0> jeez
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[19:57] <N17R0> that why not many people are usig freenet I suppose
[19:59] <Zothar> some may not realize that Freenet is about anonymity rather than trading warez; that'll be part of the "slowness" right there
[20:00] <forceflow307> anonymity is nice for the paranoid among us:)
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[20:01] <Zothar> everybody knows "they" are out to get "us"
[20:01] <forceflow307> that's what the voices tell me anyway
[20:02] <stipla> someone sharing ref witrh newbee? http://dark-code.bulix.org/hf1vq5-26330?raw
[20:02] <sanity> stipla: please go to #freenet-refs
[20:02] <N17R0> hmm yeah then freenet is useless for me, im gonna /uninstall this software. Besides its filled with childporn all over the place.
[20:03] <forceflow307> you could not look at the child porn.....
[20:03] <forceflow307> that might be a viable option
[20:03] <JustMe> You choose what you use Freenet for.
[20:04] <Zothar> the child porn is just easier to find because Freenet is so much smaller than the Internet; the anonymity is probably a rather small part of the stuff being here
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[20:38] <electrosys> hello
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[20:38] <Zothar> hi
[20:39] <electrosy> Ive been down for a while due to video card issues.
[20:39] <electrosy> got a new video card and then the think still didnt wanna run. it would just lock up after a min or so. but i gave it a good vacume, i think im good to go im not sure.
[20:39] <electrosy> I lost all of my peers though.
[20:40] <electrosy> for some reason, i dunno if something happend to the file system or what, but i have 0 peers now, and i did have about 30 or so.
[20:40] <CIA-14> zothar * r11470 /trunk/apps/pyFreenet/refbot.py: refbot: Add a mode to only trade refs with other bots
[20:41] <Zothar> check for a backup copy of the file; if there isn't one; you could run a bot on #freenet-refs and collect a few peers pretty quickly probably
[20:41] <electrosy> how do i check for a backup file?
[20:41] <electrosy> what would be the name of it , and what would i rename it too?
[20:42] <skenliv> Im having problem getting Frost connecting to my node, and i have not changed any port settings in Freenet
[20:42] <Zothar> it'd probably be peers-<port_number> right next to your currently empty one; it'd have a .bak extension or something; I'm not optimistic it's there, but it wouldn't hurt to look
[20:43] <Zothar> skenliv: if running Frost on the same machine as your node, the IP would be 127.0.0.1 and the port number is listed at the bottom of your /darknet/ page
[20:44] <IMCensored1> electrosy: first of all 30 is alot of nodes... considering you only want 10 - 15 but AFAIK there is not a node backup file
[20:44] <Zothar> IMCensored1: 10-15 _connected_, yes
[20:44] <IMCensored1> that contains peer info
[20:44] <skenliv> Zothar: Thanx, il try that
[20:44] <electrosy> nope i dont seem to have one.
[20:44] <electrosy> So how did i loose all these peer, just lost that file?
[20:44] <IMCensored1> well i only deal with 24/7 so they're all connected =D
[20:45] <electrosy> ImCensored1: can you send me your ref, i think you have me already?
[20:46] <skenliv> Zothar: Is it 32407 port then, or the 9481?
[20:46] <IMCensored1> i dont think i ever added you... i have 15 connected nodes already
[20:46] <Zothar> skenliv: the bottom of /darknet will tell you the exact number of your FCP port
[20:47] <Zothar> electrosy: lost the file apparently
[20:47] <skenliv> Zothar: Wird, it still says it cant connect
[20:47] <skenliv> do i have to use the external IP or local?
[20:47] <IMCensored1> JVM Crashed again GHEY!!
[20:47] <Zothar> skenliv: Frost and Freenet node on the same machine?
[20:48] <skenliv> Zothar: They shure are, frost is even in the same folder :-)
[20:48] <Zothar> then 127.0.0.1 should be what you want
[20:49] <skenliv> Zothar: Ive trided 127.0.0.1:9481 just as you sayd.
[20:49] <skenliv> said
[20:50] <Zothar> then check that FCP is enabled, fcp's bindTo is 127.0.0.1 and fcp's allowedHosts has 127.0.0.1; other than that, I dunno
[20:50] <skenliv> Zothar: How do i check if it is enabled?
[20:51] <Zothar> look at the /config/ page; you may have to turn on advanced darknet mode
[20:52] <skenliv> Zothar: Is that an anonymity risk?
[20:53] <skenliv> Zothar: Anyway, it did now work either :-(
[20:53] <skenliv> Zothar: Thanx for you help.
[20:54] <Zothar> FCP being on 127.0.0.1 is least anonymity leaking; sorry I couldn't help you get it up and running
[20:54] <skenliv> Zothar: Okey, nice to know. Well, im very gratefull :-)
[20:57] <skenliv> Zothar: If there was some kind of log, i could se what freenet node says when frost is trying to connect.
[20:58] <Zothar> it's in wrapper.log for high level stuff and logs/freenet-latest.log for everything else
[20:59] <electrosy> see ya later.
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[21:00] <Zothar> nextgens: on https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=1026 I've no ideas other than the /stats/ page being loaded before the store is fully initialized or something
[21:04] <nextgens> Zothar> your theory is fine ; except that fproxy wouldn't start without the database beeing started :)
[21:04] <nextgens> hence I don't understand what's going on
[21:04] <Zothar> That's what I figured, but I think I'm in the same boat you are on this one
[21:08] <skenliv> Zothar: I figured it out, when frost was connecting it was always trying to bind to my local IP
[21:08] <skenliv> Zothar: So i just binded the freenet node to my local ip, and poof, it worked
[21:09] <Zothar> sounds like a weird networking thing; glad you got it sorted
[21:11] <skenliv> Zothar: Of course, i like a challange ;)
[21:11] <skenliv> Zothar: Wanna exchange references?...
[21:16] <Zothar> skenliv: I think there's still a bot of mine on #freenet-refs exchanging with humans
[21:16] <skenliv> Zothar: Is that the one with IP logging and stuff?
[21:17] <Zothar> it's got my nick in the name; you're thinking of apophis-eu probably
[21:20] <skenliv> Zothar: Is it as they say, more than 15 refs and freenets get slow?
[21:21] <skenliv> Zothar: How do i activate your bot?
[21:21] <Zothar> skenliv: depends on bandwidth usage by each peer and bandwidth available to Freenet, etc.
[21:21] <Zothar> skenliv: just address the bot with your ref URL like I'm addressing you here
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[21:25] <skenliv> Zothar: I get unrecognized command :-/
[21:25] <Andross> anyone know of ruby tools for freenet?
[21:27] <skenliv> Andross: I dont think there are any
[21:27] <Zothar> skenliv: talk to the other bot
[21:28] <Zothar> Andross: there's a Ruby FCP library in Subversion, but I don't think it's actively developed ATM; there's Python though, if that's close enough...
[21:29] <skenliv> Zothar: How about javascript?
[21:29] <skenliv> and php?
[21:29] <skenliv> And ajax?
[21:30] <Zothar> skenliv: javascript: no; ajax: no; PHP FCP libary: I think there was one awhile back that's probably not actively developed and I'm not sure it was ever publicly released
[21:31] <skenliv> Zothar: I guess that freenet is to slow for it.
[21:32] <skenliv> Zothar: Ive never actually experienced any fast browsing in freenet.
[21:32] <skenliv> At all
[21:33] <Zothar> skenliv: If you're talking about a dynamic website, then it's not currently supported by Freenet; HTML/CSS only, pretty much, at the moment
[21:33] <skenliv> Zothar: Ok. Until they get more speed on freenet, there is rather no meaning of having advanced webpages.
[21:33] <Zothar> skenliv: fast is relative; 0.7 is better than 0.5 for "speed" I think, but it'll never be at "Web speeds"
[21:34] <Zothar> skenliv: Freenet is about anonymity rather than speed
[21:34] <skenliv> Zothar: Yeah, so ive noticed. 0.7 is like twice as fast as 0.5
[21:34] <skenliv> Zothar: Yeah, i know that. But if it where faster, more people would be interrested in anonymity.
[21:35] <skenliv> Although, soon people wont have any other option
[21:35] <Zothar> skenliv: there are still speed improvements in the works, but they're still in the simulation stages
[21:36] <skenliv> Zothar: I know, i bet that in few years or so, freenet will be getting quite big.
[21:36] <Zothar> the devs hope so; that means they'll have finally gotten this complicated beast sorted out
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[21:38] <skenliv> Zothar: I cant even emagine the matematics involved. Ive looked at examples, but that to is hard to imagine in practic usage.
[21:45] <skenliv> hehe, 127mb in ram usage for frost, and 250mb for freenet... Luckily im having 4gb ram :-)
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