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[0:15] <Ralith> ATGeek, you there?
[0:18] <Ralith> N2NTM'd
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[0:28] <Apophis2> rofl... TO MANY OPEN FILES!!!
[0:28] <Apophis2> lovely freenet
[0:31] <ATGeek> Ralith: here
[0:31] <Ralith> ATGeek, check yer node messages
[0:31] <ATGeek> got it
[0:32] <ATGeek> and i fully agree
[0:32] <ATGeek> unless... let me try something. i'm curious about this.
[0:33] <Ralith> hm?
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[0:40] <ATGeek> so frost uses xml files it seems
[0:41] <ATGeek> i shall eat then continue hacking
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[0:43] <nextgens> Apophis2> it's an os problem ; not freenet related in any way
[0:49] <nextgens> you can have stupid an really low limits set
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[1:10] <Apophis2> yeah ;)
[1:10] <Apophis2> I know
[1:10] <Apophis2> but its always freenet which finds those limits ;)
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[1:20] <ATGeek> Ralith: do you post in frost?
[1:21] <Apophis2> btw Standard Etch Settings nextgens
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[1:46] <thrownb> Does anyone know if Freenet tries to use UPnP to become connectable externally?
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[9:05] <uNkLe> prova
[9:07] <MADDY> hello
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[9:15] <uNkLe> hi
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[12:24] <paveq> I just got 2 gig usb-flash
[12:25] <paveq> any ideas what to put there :)
[12:25] <paveq> I was thinking if freenet would perform better with flash media
[12:25] <paveq> its more like random access times than transfer speed :)
[12:26] <paveq> though using it extended times would surely decrease flash's lifetime
[12:30] <bright_fame> perform better than a harddisk file?
[12:31] <bright_fame> i'm guessing the performance 'bottleneck' would come somewhere like network bandwidth or crypto rather than HD access times?
[12:35] <toad_> a lot of flash is slower than hard disks
[12:35] <toad_> depends on the interface
[12:36] <toad_> at least, my zaurus's was
[12:36] <toad_> one cool thing about usb-flash is security; you can use it as a security dongle thingy
[12:37] <toad_> i.e. put your key on it
[12:37] <toad_> (have a password too obviously)
[12:37] <toad_> but they're not easily destructible, so that's not so good
[12:44] <bright_fame> guess flash isn't so fast at read/write but has zero seek time unlike HDD
[12:50] <nextgens> hi
[12:50] <bright_fame> hi
[12:50] <nextgens> toad_> well, I've put some glue on my usb pendrives ... drestroying them is easy
[12:51] <nextgens> toad_> walking on it will make the data unrecoverable
[12:51] <nextgens> doh, it's already 2pm !
[12:51] * nextgens is late
[12:51] <nextgens> bbiab
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[15:29] <nextgens> re-hi
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[15:30] <Zothar> hi
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[18:38] <toad_> yay, i eventually got a response from my MEP
[18:38] * toad_ hopes his rereply will be read at some point
[18:38] * toad_ got it down to 2 mutt pages (
[18:39] <toad_> ~ 23 lines/page
[18:39] <toad_> plus quoting his reply
[18:39] <toad_> i'm sure somebody will read it anyway :)
[18:39] <toad_> he might even forward it to Sharon Bowles :)
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[18:39] <toad_> (she can be relied upon to support the patent industry in everything)
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[19:52] <parano|a> i need help configuring freenet
[19:52] <parano|a> i just installed it
[19:52] <parano|a> i dont get all this shit
[19:54] <toad_> what do you need to know/do?
[19:55] <parano|a> i just installed it
[19:55] <parano|a> how do i search freenet
[19:55] <parano|a> i need nodes or something
[19:55] <parano|a> No open connections
[19:55] <parano|a> Fetch a Key
[19:55] <parano|a> wtf
[19:55] <toad_> you need nodes
[19:55] <toad_> you need node references
[19:55] <parano|a> ok how do i add nodes
[19:55] <parano|a> cilck on darknet
[19:55] <toad_> either connect to people you already know who have nodes, or get node references from random folk on #freenet-refs
[19:55] <parano|a> and add another peer?
[19:55] <parano|a> ok
[19:56] <parano|a> how do i add them
[19:56] <toad_> yes you use the darknet page to get your noderef, and to add other people's noderefs
[19:56] <parano|a> just put the entire url in "paste references here"
[19:56] <parano|a> ?
[19:56] <toad_> you get their noderef and paste it in the url box
[19:56] <toad_> paste the url in the url box
[19:56] <toad_> or paste the whole ref in the whole ref box
[19:57] <parano|a> oh
[19:57] <parano|a> then what
[19:57] <parano|a> can i search freenet now?
[19:57] <parano|a> Status Name Version Connected / Idle Private Note
[19:57] <parano|a> NEVER CONNECTED* burzmaligo 1007 33s
[19:57] <parano|a> NEVER CONNECTED* HackFreeNet
[19:57] <toad_> okay
[19:57] <toad_> you added them
[19:57] <toad_> did they add you?
[19:57] <toad_> they need to add your ref too
[19:57] <parano|a> how do i get them to add me
[19:57] <parano|a> how do i do that?
[19:57] <toad_> the easiest way to get your ref to them is to go to the "My reference" bit
[19:57] <toad_> click on it
[19:57] <toad_> copy the text to the clipboard
[19:57] <parano|a> ok
[19:57] <toad_> and paste it on code.bulix.org
[19:58] <toad_> that'll give you a url
[19:58] <parano|a> ok
[19:58] <toad_> otherwise you could save it as a file and email it to them or send them it over irc etc
[19:58] <parano|a> ok so i paste all that text in the box at code.bulix.org
[19:58] <parano|a> then what?
[19:59] <parano|a> its not giving me a url
[19:59] <toad_> that will make a new page
[19:59] <paveq> http://java.sun.com/javase/6/features.jsp
[19:59] <paveq> nice :)
[19:59] <toad_> copy the location of the new page
[19:59] <parano|a> http://code.bulix.org/rb6ee0-26161
[19:59] <parano|a> is that my ref url?
[19:59] <toad_> right
[19:59] <toad_> give that to people on #freenet-refs
[19:59] <toad_> yes
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[19:59] <toad_> well
[19:59] <StealthMan> hi
[19:59] <toad_> add a ?raw on the end
[19:59] <parano|a> ok now what
[19:59] <toad_> post that on #freenet-refs
[20:00] <parano|a> i did.
[20:00] <toad_> people you add need to add you
[20:00] <toad_> ask them
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[20:00] <parano|a> ok it says im connected
[20:00] <parano|a> to one
[20:00] <toad_> ok
[20:00] <parano|a> can i search freenet now>
[20:00] <toad_> see if you can get some more
[20:00] <toad_> you need 5 or so
[20:00] <toad_> at least
[20:00] <toad_> there are different ways to search freenet
[20:01] <toad_> there's Librarian (on the plugins page)
[20:01] <parano|a> so fucking complicated
[20:01] <toad_> which lets you search freesites
[20:01] <toad_> otherwise there's Frost
[20:01] <toad_> or Thaw indexes
[20:01] <toad_> parano|a: it's designed for true darknet use. i.e. adding people you actually know.
[20:02] <toad_> parano|a: opennet (plug and play) will come in the not too distant future though
[20:02] <toad_> opennet is less secure
[20:02] <parano|a> ok i have 2 people added
[20:02] <parano|a> so after i get 3 more how do i search freenet
[20:03] <toad_> if you know somebody who uses freenet already, all you do is give them your noderef, they give you their noderef (probably via email)
[20:03] <parano|a> librarian is just "waiting for localhost"
[20:03] <toad_> it takes a while for it to fetch the index
[20:03] <toad_> Frost is a chat application that also has searchable file boards
[20:04] <StealthMan> Ehhh... hi
[20:04] <toad_> StealthMan: hi
[20:04] <StealthMan> oof, i'm not dead !
[20:04] <toad_> you're not?
[20:04] <StealthMan> Ohh, you think i'm dead ?
[20:07] <toad_> parano|a: do the freesite indexes work for you?
[20:07] <toad_> freenet is not quite the same as classical p2p's...
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[20:13] <parano|a> toad_ can you search freenet for me?
[20:13] <parano|a> and tell me if it finds anything?
[20:14] <toad_> parano|a: no
[20:14] <parano|a> why not
[20:14] <toad_> parano|a: the EFF recommends that p2p devs not provide tech support
[20:14] <toad_> we do provide tech support but that means we can't have anything to do with illegal content
[20:15] <toad_> if you ask me about illegal content i won't be able to give you any more tech support
[20:15] <toad_> if you want me to search for legal content i can do that, but i'm not sure what the point would be; you have no anonymity
[20:16] <parano|a> its not illega.
[20:16] <parano|a> illegal
[20:17] <parano|a> i have 3 connected, can i search freenet now?
[20:17] <toad_> you can try
[20:17] <parano|a> how do i search it
[20:17] <toad_> it's not really designed for searching
[20:17] <toad_> but there are a few mechanisms
[20:17] <parano|a> ??
[20:17] <toad_> one being Librarian
[20:17] <toad_> one being Frost
[20:17] <parano|a> that didnt work last time
[20:17] <toad_> one being Thaw indexes
[20:17] <toad_> you need to get some first though
[20:17] <toad_> and on Frost it takes a while for it to find boards etc, and you need to add them
[20:18] <parano|a> dude
[20:18] <parano|a> just search for something for me
[20:18] <toad_> as i said, it's not a conventional peer to peer system
[20:18] <parano|a> its not illegal
[20:18] <parano|a> its a webpage.
[20:18] <toad_> if you want a web page use Librarian or open the various freesite index
[20:18] <toad_> es
[20:18] <toad_> which are linked from the main page
[20:18] <toad_> Entry Point, Indicia and the Darknet Index
[20:18] <parano|a> librarian isnt working
[20:18] <toad_> what about the index sites?
[20:19] <parano|a> ok ill click on indica
[20:19] <parano|a> waiting for localhost...
[20:19] <toad_> it will be faster with more peers
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[20:26] <toad_> parano|a: did you find it?
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[20:50] <Trepidation> q. Has anyone noted a large jump in traffic after installing freenode? Is it light traffic over time or hard hits, cant seem to find anything regarding this on the FAQ or the download web page.
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[20:51] <CIA-14> toad * r11422 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/FProxyToadlet.java: "Error: Splitfile error<pre>30 Data not found </pre>" (all encoded) -> actual tags
[20:56] <CIA-14> toad * r11423 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/Bookmark.java: Format
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[20:57] <_ph00> the 'confirm deletion "feature"' is preventing me from removing multiple peers at oncve: when confirming to delete on, it will only delete that one andf go back to the darknet page
[20:57] <_ph00> ...without deleting the other ones I wanted to remove
[20:58] <fasta> Trepidation: there's a built-in bandwidth limiter, but I have the impression that you want to ask a different question.
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[21:11] <Muh666> hi there, anything going on? ^^
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[21:39] <CIA-14> toad * r11424 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/ (Bookmark.java BookmarkManager.java WelcomeToadlet.java): Notify user via UserAlert when a bookmarked site is updated.
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[21:52] <nextgens> tell _ph00 that it's a feature, not a bug
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[22:00] <nextgens> toad_> It will some work for me to make the autobuilder reporting tool to support commits into different fields of the code; is it worthy ?
[22:00] <nextgens> for example, the commit you've just done affects the trunk and the plugin directory
[22:00] <nextgens> and the report shows only the result of the trunk building
[22:01] <nextgens> and won't display anything related to the failed building of plugins
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[22:05] <CIA-14> toad * r11425 /trunk/ (24 files in 8 dirs):
[22:05] <CIA-14> Extract base interface for HTTPRequest and HTTPRequest.File.
[22:05] <CIA-14> Use it to define freenet.plugin.api.NeedsWebInterfaceHTMLString.
[22:05] <CIA-14> zothar * r11426 /trunk/apps/pyFreenet/refbot.py: refbot: Do configuration versioning. Ask about select new configuration options.
[22:07] <Zothar> toad_ nextgens: refbot.py now does automatic inter-bot ref trading; perhaps it can be good to point opennet requesters at as a interim "solution"?
[22:07] <CIA-14> toad * r11427 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/ (14 files): Include HTTPRequest in Toadlet API.
[22:08] <Zothar> (I need to improve the install process though; I'm not sure, but fixing the mirroring of pyFreenet might do most/all of that; I still haven't tested that yet)
[22:11] <nextgens> Zothar> what do you mean fixing the mirroring ?
[22:11] <nextgens> Zothar> is the mirroring system down or broken anyhow ?
[22:12] * nextgens is looking for a good argumentation against M$ EULA
[22:12] <nextgens> any pointer ?
[22:12] <Zothar> nextgens: notice that the latest version of the pyFreenet tarball is still in SVN revision 9xxx on most mirrors and you'll see what I mean; I mentioned it a few weeks back; I figure it's easure for you to check by adding to your existing script since you have a better way to know what the current/newest tarball is than I
[22:12] <Zothar> (since you've got direct access to the parent and I don't think I do)
[22:12] <Zothar> (where parent === master)
[22:12] <nextgens> hmm
[22:13] <nextgens> I know what the issue is
[22:13] <nextgens> let me fix
[22:13] <Zothar> k thnx
[22:13] <toad_> do we want to be able to easily return large amounts of generated data from a plugin?
[22:14] <Zothar> what's an example use of that ability?
[22:14] <nextgens> FreenetLogBot> c'mon
[22:15] <nextgens> Zothar> see if it's fixed in a few minutes
[22:15] <nextgens> if not, tell me
[22:15] <Zothar> nextgens: OK
[22:22] <Zothar> nextgens: looks to be working; perhaps a pyFreenet-latest.tbz.url?
[22:24] <CIA-14> toad * r11428 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/ (3 files in 2 dirs): New plugins: web interface
[22:25] <nextgens> Zothar> you want me to create such file ?
[22:26] <Zothar> nextgens: yes, if you would please; it would be very useful; I could easily make an installer then too
[22:26] <nextgens> hmm
[22:26] <nextgens> /var/www/downloads/alpha/pyFreenet/.latest
[22:26] <nextgens> http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/pyFreenet/.latest
[22:26] <nextgens> that gives the filename
[22:27] <nextgens> I'll make a redirect from it
[22:27] <nextgens> ok
[22:27] <Zothar> ah, I hadn't noticed
[22:28] <nextgens> http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/pyFreenet/pyFreenet-latest.tbz
[22:28] <nextgens> there is a sha1 available too
[22:28] <nextgens> http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/pyFreenet/pyFreenet-latest.tbz.sha1
[22:28] <Zothar> nextgens: thanks a lot
[22:28] <Zothar> now to test that that includes everything that's needed
[22:29] <nextgens> ensure they are working
[22:29] * nextgens hasn't tested
[22:32] <Zothar> I got a download on -latest.tbz haven't tried otherwise; unfortunately, ftp://ftpmirror.sectoor.de/freenet/alpha/pyFreenet/.latest returns a error about the filename
[22:33] <Zothar> well, gotta go, talk to all later
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[22:37] <nextgens> well, forget about .latest
[22:37] <nextgens> and use -latest.tbz :)
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[23:59] <toad_> nextgens: hmmm
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