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[0:02] <SpockMarket> hey all
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[0:16] <BlueLotos> hi
[0:18] <ldh058> anyone exchanging refs?
[0:19] <SpockMarket> ya
[0:19] <SpockMarket> whats yours
[0:20] <ldh058> Here it is - http://dark-code.bulix.org/433ecf-25592
[0:21] <SpockMarket> http://dark-code.bulix.org/e8hzzm-25589
[0:22] <SpockMarket> ok
[0:22] <SpockMarket> added you
[0:22] <BlueLotos> please someone exchange refs with me. mine is http://dark-code.bulix.org/d6euqv-25590
[0:23] <ldh058> Same here, thanks
[0:24] <ldh058> Added you BlueLotos
[0:24] <BlueLotos> thanks
[0:26] <ldh058> Could use another ref...anyone?
[0:28] <OctobersDark> Not that this channel is over run with activity ATM, but there is a #freenet-refs channel for trading refs :-)
[0:29] <ldh058> Thanks!
[0:29] <BlueLotos> which is as active as this chan :(
[0:30] <SpockMarket> I cant even load the Indicia page. what could be wrong
[0:31] <BlueLotos> to few refs, i guess
[0:31] <ldh058> probably not enough nodes
[0:33] <SpockMarket> can u load it, Bluelotos
[0:33] <BlueLotos> please, isn't anyone here, who actually is connected to darknet who would exchange refs?
[0:34] <BlueLotos> apparently no, Spock
[0:34] <ldh058> no here
[0:34] <SpockMarket> hmph
[0:37] <OctobersDark> ldh058 (and others...shortly in #freenet-refs I'll be running a ref node lottery with two open slots, watch for the bot there :-)
[0:37] <BlueLotos> :-/
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[0:44] <CIA-14> zothar * r11330 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/LocationManager.java: Clarify LocationManager.updateLocationChangeSession() code with variable names. Mildly refactor same.
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[2:20] <CIA-14> zothar * r11331 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/LocationManager.java: Should fix bug 956: loc change stats not using circular distance
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[3:20] <AlphaOmega> someone was talking about opennet in freenet-refs. Is Opennet based on freenet?
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[3:57] <anonymouse> AlphaOmega it's not a different program,
[3:57] <anonymouse> it's just a different way of exchanging refs
[3:57] <anonymouse> opennet means it happens automatically with people you don't choose
[3:57] <anonymouse> which is the old freenet 0.5 way
[3:58] <anonymouse> some people think (erroneously) that it will give them more security, anonymity, deniability
[3:58] <anonymouse> but without premix routing, it turns out that it's even worse than darknet (where you are vulnerable to your one-hop peers)
[3:59] <anonymouse> This is my (possibly flawed) understanding
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[4:09] <AlphaOmega> what is premix routing?
[4:09] <AlphaOmega> and what other anonymous p2p software does, is use the ANT theory for anonymous opennet
[4:09] <AlphaOmega> which i dont understand why freenet doesnt do that too
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[5:33] <CIA-14> zothar * r11332 /trunk/apps/pyFreenet/minibot.py: refbot: identify/register with nickserv before joining the IRC channel (thanks to FuriousRage for the good idea).
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[5:36] <CIA-14> zothar * r11333 /trunk/apps/pyFreenet/refbot.py: refbot: One more step toward inter-bot ref trading: request and send refs
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[6:06] <ShipHead> Any public fproxies available?
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[6:32] <CIA-14> zothar * r11334 /trunk/apps/pyFreenet/refbot.py: refbot: Yet more work toward inter-bot ref trading: check a received ref for sanity
[6:34] <Zothar> zorton: go ahead and run updater and maybe get a couple of others to do the same and let me know if there are any crashes/problems from the latest commits; I'm going to bed now, but will check the backlog in the morning; we may have inter-bot swapping tomorrow :)
[6:39] <zorton> np, i'll give it a try and see if I cna't get some more folks
[6:39] <zorton> saw those commits and thought you where getting close
[6:44] <zorton> looks good so far
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[6:48] <Withdraw> anyone know how i can recover my nickserv account?
[7:06] <zorton> Zothar: version nfo isn't reporting properly but it seem to be adding ref's just fine
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[7:29] <NostraSteve> why can I only load one page at a time?
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[7:58] <jsmall> hi
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[11:49] <Aravindh> Hi
[11:51] <Aravindh> Anybody to help me ?
[11:52] <Aravindh> Guess no!
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[16:45] <icaro> hi all
[16:47] <nextgens> hi
[16:53] <Zothar> hi
[17:01] * nextgens has just fixed two bugs related to Librarian
[17:02] * Zothar is working on automatic inter-bot ref swapping in refbot.py
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[17:03] <InsomniaCity> Is there no way to get a default set of node refs over HTTP anymore?
[17:06] <InsomniaCity> Hmm, it also occurs to me that the default node name leaks information... "Node created around <unix time>" could be tied to a particular download...
[17:08] * nextgens thinks Zothar is wasting his time
[17:08] <nextgens> :)
[17:08] <Zothar> :
[17:08] <Zothar> )
[17:09] <nextgens> InsomniaCity> no; node startup time is variable
[17:09] <Zothar> yeah, could be, but it's opennet without opennet... :)
[17:09] <nextgens> InsomniaCity> but yes, we can change it ; /me does
[17:09] <InsomniaCity> nextgens: out of interest, why was the link to hawk's refs removed?
[17:09] <nextgens> hawk ?
[17:10] <InsomniaCity> ...
[17:10] <InsomniaCity> wow, freenet must have moved on :)
[17:10] <InsomniaCity> all these new people :P
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[17:10] * nextgens doesn't get what you mean
[17:11] <InsomniaCity> Does anyone else remember hawk?
[17:11] <InsomniaCity> or am I imagining things?
[17:14] <nextgens> I don't
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[17:24] <InsomniaCity> nextgens: sanity's box: http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:RIcDDPVz0TQJ:cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/freenet/freenet/INSTALL%3Frev%3D1.2+hawk.freenetproject.org&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7
[17:24] <InsomniaCity> http://hawk.freenetproject.org/~freenet4/seednodes.ref :P
[17:26] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11335 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/Node.java:
[17:26] <CIA-14> [17:06] < InsomniaCit> | Hmm, it also occurs to me that the default node name leaks information...
[17:26] <CIA-14> "Node created around <unix time>" could be tied to a particular
[17:26] <CIA-14> download...
[17:26] <CIA-14> ^-^
[17:26] <nextgens> InsomniaCity> that's *really* old
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[17:38] <InsomniaCity> I thought freenet was supposed to be a lot faster? Its sitting there trying to load even the fproxy homepage...
[17:41] <CIA-14> zothar * r11336 /trunk/apps/pyFreenet/refbot.py: refbot: implement cmd_havepeer(). Introduce the notion of being "connected" to a bot's peer.
[17:42] <nextgens> InsomniaCity> are you connected to some peers ?
[17:42] <InsomniaCity> nextgens: indeed I am :)
[17:42] <InsomniaCity> I've figured its due to the quantity of connections open to my fproxy
[17:42] <InsomniaCity> ie, I was opening an index for the first time at the same time
[17:43] <nextgens> that's a browser missconfiguration
[17:43] <nextgens> not due to freenet slowness :)
[17:43] <InsomniaCity> not freenet, fproxy
[17:44] <InsomniaCity> can I do bandwidth limiting without editing config?
[17:44] <InsomniaCity> ah yes.
[17:45] <InsomniaCity> so, how long will that big donation pay for toad?
[17:56] <InsomniaCity> uh... so whats #freenet's/freenode's plan to let tor users speak in here?
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[18:00] <nextgens> you ask an op and get voiced
[18:02] <InsomniaCity> sounds time-consuming
[18:02] <InsomniaCity> I think ShipHead would like a voice :)
[18:03] * nextgens sets mode +v ShipHead
[18:03] <nextgens> each time I voice him he doesn't speak :)
[18:04] <InsomniaCity> hehe
[18:04] <nextgens> btw, regular users ought to consider getting a cloack
[18:04] <InsomniaCity> couldn't you get a whitelist bot?
[18:04] <InsomniaCity> yeah, or that
[18:04] <nextgens> tor/regular or something like that
[18:04] <ShipHead> Well sometimes when I ask, I end up going to sleep 4 hours later before I get voiced
[18:05] <nextgens> :)
[18:05] * ShipHead has never understood why they can't do more with nicks
[18:08] <ShipHead> Why do things by ref anyway?
[18:09] <ShipHead> Any ref I ever get is not going to be trusted by me
[18:09] <ShipHead> Because it'll be one of *you*
[18:09] <ShipHead> weirdos
[18:09] <ShipHead> :)
[18:10] <ShipHead> If doing things by ref supposed to make it better than doing things randomly?
[18:10] <InsomniaCity> Apophis2: your public fproxy is 404
[18:11] <Apophis2> yes... apophis.eu for mor info
[18:12] <InsomniaCity> ShipHead: ^ :)
[18:12] <ShipHead> He's just a narc collecting IPs :)
[18:13] <railk_> hehe
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[18:13] * ShipHead adjusts tinfoil hat
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[18:14] <Zothar> ShipHead: theoretically you trust the developers enough to run the software they wrote, so you would need to trust them less to actually peer with them
[18:15] <ShipHead> But don't both peers have to trust each other?
[18:15] <ShipHead> They don't trust me
[18:15] <ShipHead> I mean, I wear a tinfoil hat for goodness sake. How sane can I be?
[18:16] <ShipHead> How is freenet better than torrent-ing?
[18:16] <InsomniaCity> cool, Librarian is broken
[18:17] <InsomniaCity> FetchException:Not in archive:null:-1:null:false:null:null
[18:17] <Zothar> ShipHead: true, but you were talking about how much you trust the devs, not convincing them to trust you enough to trade refs completely with you :)
[18:17] <ShipHead> and by torrenting, I mean i2p style
[18:17] <InsomniaCity> i2p has torrenting!? :o
[18:17] <nextgens> InsomniaCity> wich version ?
[18:17] <InsomniaCity> nextgens: latest
[18:17] <ShipHead> Yes
[18:17] <nextgens> worksforme(TM)
[18:18] <nextgens> InsomniaCity> may you describe steps to reproduce ?
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[18:18] <Bardamu> hello
[18:18] * nextgens is playing with Bonjour on his LAN
[18:18] <InsomniaCity> nextgens: uh, plugins> visit, enter keyword, press find
[18:19] <Bardamu> je voulais savoir est-ce qu'il faut absolument allouer de l'espace a freenet ?
[18:19] <Zothar> nextgens: it can be pretty cool :)
[18:19] <nextgens> Bardamu> oui
[18:19] <nextgens> Bardamu> si tu veux parler français, viens sur #freenet-fr :)
[18:19] <Bardamu> mais en fait moi je veux le donner dans une autre partition
[18:20] <nextgens> InsomniaCity> confirmed working for me
[18:20] <InsomniaCity> yet...
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[18:20] <InsomniaCity> I can reproduce it every time :)
[18:21] <nextgens> Zothar> do you think that we can use NAT-PMP to detect our outgoing address ?
[18:21] <ShipHead> So freenet is no better than i2p torrenting?
[18:21] <Zothar> nextgens: dunno; lemme figure out what NAT-PMP is first :)
[18:22] <Bardamu> nextgens: personne ne me repond la-bas :)
[18:22] <railk> hmm.. how do you get a cloak?
[18:22] <ShipHead> Comment-allez vous
[18:23] <ShipHead> gpg stuff
[18:23] <nextgens> Zothar> http://files.dns-sd.org/draft-cheshire-nat-pmp.txt
[18:23] <ShipHead> So who here would trade refs with me?
[18:24] <nextgens> ShipHead> ask on #freenet-refs; not here
[18:24] <railk> Bardamu: oui :P
[18:24] <nextgens> and as I've already said to you, swapping your node reference using tor is silly
[18:24] <nextgens> as it contains your ip address
[18:24] <ShipHead> Do I need voice there too?
[18:24] <nextgens> tor is banned there
[18:24] <ShipHead> I see
[18:25] <ShipHead> So in order get a ref, I need to give away my IP
[18:25] <ShipHead> now that is silly
[18:25] <nextgens> how do you want freenet to be able to connect without your ip address ?
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[18:26] <ShipHead> dyndns
[18:26] <railk> LOL
[18:26] <railk> that doesnt hide you rip
[18:26] <railk> your ip*
[18:26] <Zelda> Hi,
[18:26] <railk> hi Zelda
[18:26] <ShipHead> Or I could set up a hidden service
[18:27] <Zelda> Hi railk, was wondering if someone is able to help me
[18:27] <nextgens> does someone remember the url of the http reference swapping service ?
[18:27] <railk> Zelda: whats the problem
[18:27] <Zelda> http://dark-code.bulix.org/
[18:27] <nextgens> Zelda> it's gonna be hard if you don't tell us the problem
[18:27] <railk> Zelda: nextgens was talking about the automated system...
[18:27] <Zelda> have installed freenet and was able to work yesterday, now lost all my connections ... new IP :(
[18:28] <ShipHead> But answer my question about torrenting please?
[18:28] <Zelda> tried to edit freenet.ini and add IPadressoveride to my node name
[18:28] <Zelda> whenever I restart freneet frenet.ini gets overwritten with the old crap
[18:28] <Zelda> what do I do wrong?
[18:28] <railk> Zelda: that won't make a difference for already set up refs... you just need to wait
[18:29] <Zothar> nextgens: ref swapping service other than the one in the #freenet-refs topic?
[18:29] <ShipHead> With freenet, don't you *have* to host parts of files that you might find objectionable?
[18:29] <railk> ShipHead: yes
[18:29] * Zothar reads up on NAT-PMP
[18:29] <Zelda> just deleted all of 'em already... maybe I was too fast
[18:29] <railk> ShipHead: you dont know whats objectionable and whats not
[18:29] <nextgens> Zelda> what about doing it from the http://127.0.0.1:8888/config/ page ?
[18:29] <nextgens> Zelda> enable the advancedDarknet mode
[18:29] <nextgens> and you'll see it
[18:30] <Zelda> tried this, but there is only a hint one can enter not override
[18:30] <ShipHead> And aren't there already file sharing services that allow you to do so with some anonymity?
[18:30] <railk> someone correct me if im wrong, but doesnt freenet insert a ref into the network with the key in the ref?
[18:30] <nextgens> Zelda> not in advanced mode
[18:30] <Zelda> how do I enable advanced mode then?
[18:30] <nextgens> using http://127.0.0.1:8888/config/
[18:30] <nextgens> ShipHead> http://refex.s-coding.nl/
[18:30] <nextgens> that was the URL I was looking for
[18:31] <Zelda> nextgens, have that, but do not see any advanced mode bit in there
[18:31] <Zelda> where will I be looking at?
[18:31] <railk> lol
[18:32] <ShipHead> nextgens: aren't there already file sharing services that allow you to do so with some anonymity?
[18:32] <railk> in the fproxy section
[18:32] <railk> like the third option
[18:32] <railk> "Enable Advanced Darknet" or osemting
[18:32] <railk> soemthing*
[18:32] <ShipHead> nextgens: how is freenet better?
[18:32] * nextgens suggest we buy new glasses to ShipHead
[18:32] * nextgens suggest we buy new glasses to Zelda
[18:32] <nextgens> sorry ShipHead
[18:32] <railk> for*
[18:32] <railk> :D
[18:32] <nextgens> :)
[18:32] <Zelda> was a bit blind
[18:33] <railk> ShipHead: complete anonymity and deniability
[18:33] <Zelda> ta
[18:33] <Zothar> railk: "for*" like you did with "soemthing*"? :)
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[18:33] <railk> Zothar: no, the "or" is correct... but something* :P
[18:34] <Zothar> just bugging you about correcting when your self-correction was wrong :)
[18:34] <ShipHead> railk: If you want a file, don't you have to download the whole thing?
[18:34] <railk> ShipHead: yes
[18:34] <railk> Zothar: my self-correction was more correct than the thing i was correcting
[18:35] <Zothar> yeah
[18:35] <nextgens> ShipHead> have you read http://freenetproject.org/whatis.html ? and http://freenetproject.org/philosophy.html ?
[18:35] <ShipHead> railk: Are you familiar with other anonymous file sharing apps?
[18:35] <railk> ShipHead: not more than their wikipedia entries :P
[18:36] <ShipHead> railk: I've read them awhile ago but I don't remember them comparing freenet to other services
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[18:38] <railk> ShipHead: i2p seems to have some form of centralization, something freenet does not
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[18:40] <ShipHead> I see
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[18:40] <ShipHead> So it's a question of whether I trust people develop anonymity software v. random people I trade refs with in #freenet
[18:41] <ShipHead> let me redo that
[18:41] <ShipHead> So it's a question of whether I trust people who develop anonymity software v. random people I trade refs with in #freenet-refs
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[18:41] <Zothar> nextgens: From what I've read, I like NAT-PMP; it's dead simple; the only downside for us would be the lack of widespread device support, but we could try it before trying STUN without much impact and it appears that it'd be very easy to implement
[18:42] <railk> hmm im not sure i2p routing is as dynamic as freenet... ask someone who knows i2p better ffs
[18:43] <ShipHead> Seems to me, the only time the second option would be better is in times of more harsh censorship where people get busted for running a tracker
[18:44] <railk> ShipHead: been to china recently?
[18:44] <Zothar> ShipHead: you always have to trues the people that developed the anonymity software, regardless of which software it is, even if you developed it yourself :)
[18:44] <ShipHead> I was just thinking china
[18:44] <Zothar> s/trues/trust/
[18:45] <nextgens> Zothar> it's easy indeed ... but as you pointed out, the RFC is too recent for devices to be "bonjour" ready
[18:45] <railk> and in america you'd get busted for running a torrent tracker too, thanks to the MIAA or w/e
[18:45] <ShipHead> Zothar: Yeah, but the question is whether I trust them more or less than random people on #freenet-refs
[18:45] <nextgens> Zothar> btwn most apple products are already
[18:46] <Zothar> nextgens: I think consider it's simplicity, we should implement and provide the functionality optionally to users; we could help drive it's adoption :)
[18:46] <Zothar> +ing
[18:46] <ShipHead> railk: But all it takes is someone running a tracker in a place imune to such bs.s
[18:46] <nextgens> ok, I'll have a look and see what I can hack with it
[18:46] <Zothar> ShipHead: you always have to trust them the same or more than people on #freenet-refs or not use anonymity software at all. period.
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[18:46] <ShipHead> And the whole thing is cool
[18:47] <ShipHead> Zothar: I do trust them more
[18:48] <ShipHead> That's my point
[18:48] <Zothar> you probably wouldn't be here otherwise :)
[18:48] <ShipHead> railk: But with i2p, I don't think they can know who the tracker is
[18:48] <ShipHead> without breaking the onion routing
[18:48] <Zothar> however, I don't think there's really any way trusting random people on #freenet-refs more would do you any good if you didn't have any software to run, so I'm not quite clear what the point is unless you're just restating the obvious
[18:49] <Zothar> (which I already stated I think)
[18:50] <ShipHead> My point is that for me, freenet is only as trustworthy as random people on #freenet-refs
[18:50] <ShipHead> Whereas other software is as trustworthy as the devs that wrote it
[18:50] <Zothar> ah, well, then perhaps you need to harrass some of your friends :)
[18:51] <Zothar> (which could be anybody from your mother to somebody you've never met, but always talk with online)
[18:53] * ShipHead hates china
[18:56] * railk hates the chinese government
[18:56] <railk> ShipHead: careful with being to general...
[18:56] <ShipHead> sorry
[18:56] <ShipHead> what you said
[18:58] <ShipHead> So is freenet segmented in the sense that one's network is the union of all nodes everyone trusts?
[18:59] <railk> iirc theres some sort of hop limit
[18:59] <Zothar> as long as a node is in the same "cloud", theoretically, all published information in that cloud is available to that node, if it knows the key for the info
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[19:00] <Zothar> works on the principles similar to "six degrees of Kevin bacon"
[19:00] <Zothar> to be part of the "cloud", a node simploy has to connect to one or more nodes already in the cloud
[19:01] <Zothar> -o
[19:01] <railk> so no hop limit?
[19:02] <Zothar> there is, but if the cloud is formed according to the theory, then the hop limit is greater than the maximum number of hops needed to talk to any node
[19:02] <railk> ah k
[19:02] <railk> how is the hop limit set and transmitted?
[19:05] <Zothar> I think it's arbitrarily 10-15 or something like that; I haven't looked at the code and don't remember if it's been discussed much
[19:05] <Zothar> (so apparently it thought to just work)
[19:06] <nextgens> the HTL is there to avoid loops
[19:08] <Zothar> good point
[19:11] <railk> i thought loops are avoided through some sort of request transmission tracking?
[19:14] <ShipHead> What I was getting at is that you could set up a freenet network with your friends that didn't include anyone else
[19:15] <ShipHead> Because I definitely dont want Zothar to be anywhere on my freenet. ;-P
[19:15] <Zothar> ShipHead: you could, yes
[19:15] <Zothar> yeah, you probably wouldn't want me on your Freenet :)
[19:16] <ShipHead> I don't want to be sharing bavarian polka songs. I'm morally opposed
[19:17] <railk> LOL
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[19:18] * Zothar wonders how ShipHead knew :)
[19:18] * JustMe loves bavarian polka songs they go great with beer :)
[19:19] <ShipHead> Zothar: You don't wear a tinfoil hat, now do you?
[19:19] <ShipHead> perhaps you should start.
[19:20] <Zothar> ShipHead: if I did, you might think I had something to hide and I didn't, you might have discovered a new target for your activities, so why would I answer that? :)
[19:21] <ShipHead> I can tell what music you listen to because of my mind-bending ray under development with the CIA.
[19:21] <Zothar> JustMe: do you eat the big black discs with grooves or the smaller, shiny disc variety? :)
[19:21] <ShipHead> Mu-hu-ha-ha
[19:21] <Zothar> ShipHead: well, you might think you can, which fits my purposes just fine :)
[19:24] <JustMe> Zothar: both but prefer the big black discs with the grooves :)
[19:24] <CIA-14> zothar * r11337 /trunk/apps/pyFreenet/refbot.py: refbot: Fix a couple of bot2bot sub-options and activate the bot2bot_trades one, though don't ask the user if they're new since we don't actually implement inter-bot trading yet.
[19:25] <Zothar> ah, a equal-opportunity bavarian polka song consumer! (Good choice too, 'cause there's probably not as many of the shiny disc variety available)
[19:28] * JustMe loves the kind that spin really fast :)
[19:29] <Zothar> heh
[19:31] <CIA-14> zothar * r11338 /trunk/apps/pyFreenet/refbot.py: refbot: Remove a couple of debug lines and some dead code.
[19:36] <nextgens> Zothar> have you tried http://www.jython.org/Project/index.html ?
[19:37] <Zothar> nextgens: not yet; probably will at some point; I've only briefly looked at it and that was a long while back
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[19:57] <nextgens> Zothar> in fact the best thing to do is to connect to the dns responder on the host
[19:57] <nextgens> the recommended interface beeing dbus
[19:58] * nextgens is looking for pure java dbus bindings
[19:58] <Zothar> we talking about NAT-PMP stuff again?
[19:58] <nextgens> zeroconf/bonjour in general
[19:58] <Zothar> ah
[19:58] <nextgens> yes, sorry :)
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[21:34] <nextgens> good night
[21:34] <Zothar> nn
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[21:59] <zorton> Zothar: around?
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[22:01] <Tada> hello, Im installing freenet and kapersky antivirus warns for for Riskware: "RootShell" when i run the installer
[22:01] <Tada> http://www.viruslist.com/en/viruses/encyclopedia/pdm/rootshell
[22:01] <Tada> is it a part of freenet or is it a spyware?
[22:01] <zorton> I think it's kapersky freaking out
[22:02] <zorton> however, I would verify the sig for the installer before you contiune just to be sure
[22:02] <Tada> I downloaded from http://freenetproject.org/download.html
[22:02] * zorton nods
[22:02] <Tada> how do i verify the sig?
[22:02] <zorton> hang on, i'll see about pointing you in the right direction
[22:03] <Tada> cool thanks
[22:03] <zorton> bummer, I don't see a published sig to work with
[22:03] <zorton> I wouldn't worry about it personaly
[22:04] <zorton> specificaly look at this line from the download page: (Freenet contains NO spyware or adware , it's Free Software! The source code is publicly available for review)
[22:05] <Tada> yeah well but it would be comforting to get a explaination and I dont really want to look trough the sourcecode
[22:05] <zorton> I understand that
[22:07] <zorton> as in most things related to security it's about trust, in this case you'll have to choose either to trust the released binary or find a way to verify the released binary against the source
[22:07] <Tada> yes well I might trust them or i might not then :)
[22:08] <zorton> yep, sometimes the road down the lane of paranoia is slipper and quick
[22:08] <Tada> Conspiracy Theory with Mel Gibson and Julia Roberts
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[22:11] <Bombe> Nah, that one sucks.
[22:12] <Zothar> zorton: I'm sorta around; workin' on things in other parts of the house off and on
[22:12] <Bombe> "Arlington Road" with Jeff Bridges is _way_ cooler than Conspiracy Theory.
[22:15] <Tada> "Putting your e-mail address or IRC nickname there is generally speaking a good idea and helps your friends to identify your node."
[22:15] * zorton nods
[22:16] <Tada> how is that secure to put where you define your node?
[22:19] <Ralith> How do you use freemail with a node on a remote host?
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[22:20] <Zothar> same way you use Frost on a remote host I assume
[22:21] <zorton> stupid thing, why do drives always fail the moment I start to put them to work?
[22:23] <Ralith> Zothar, there's no config file
[22:23] <Zothar> it's called .freenet_ref_bot and on unix, it's in ~; on Windows it's in \Documents and Settings\<user> (I think)
[22:23] <Ralith> er, what?
[22:23] <Ralith> no, freemail
[22:24] <Ralith> it refuses non localhost connections
[22:28] <Ralith> Zothar?
[22:34] <Zothar> Ralith: freemail refused IMAPS rather than Freenet refusing FCP? I'm not sure on that, sorry
[22:34] <Ralith> Zothar, the thing is, I either run freemail on the node and have it connect to localhost, but then I can't get connected to it from elsewhere
[22:35] <Ralith> Zothar, there'd be no problem if I could run freemail on localhost, but how do I configure it for a remote node?
[22:35] <Zothar> you could run it from the machine you want to check your mail from and have freemail connect to the FCP service by adjusting bindTo and allowedHosts and using an SSH tunnel if needed
[22:36] <Zothar> configuring freemail to allow a remote node, I don't know; I've only run it once
[22:36] <Ralith> I've already got the remote node access working
[22:36] <Ralith> for example, I'm using frost and thaw fine
[22:36] <Ralith> but freemail seems to have no configuration
[22:38] <Zothar> ah yes, pointing freemail at Frost; it may be all command-line; you might have to read source or get someone to read it for you; I would, but I'm busy with several things at once ATM
[22:39] <Ralith> what?
[22:39] <Ralith> freemail has nothing to do with frost
[22:39] <Ralith> and I'll see what I can make of the code
[22:40] <Ralith> also, the jar contains a 'freemailgui' folder, but I've never seen freemail use a gui
[22:45] <Ralith> ahah
[22:45] <Ralith> found the config
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[22:58] <Attaxia> hey
[22:58] <Attaxia> how much node should you have max?
[22:58] <Ralith> maybe 10 connected?
[22:58] <Attaxia> not more?
[22:59] <Ralith> depends on your machine
[22:59] <Ralith> each node connection means more overhead
[22:59] <Attaxia> AMD64 3200+
[22:59] <Ralith> just keep adding them until you don't like the memory/CPU usage :P
[23:00] <Attaxia> 5% now :)
[23:00] <Attaxia> with frost and everything
[23:03] <Ralith> how many nodes?
[23:03] <Attaxia> 11 connected 1 backed off
[23:13] <Ralith> try up to 30 then, but 11 should be plenty for good performance
[23:14] <Attaxia> performance is still really low
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[23:17] <Attaxia> is freenet 0.5 compromizeD?
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[23:48] <sleon> Attaxia: nope
[23:48] <sleon> Attaxia: 0.7 has some load / balancing issues
[23:50] <sleon> Attaxia: the load balancer balancer too strong, so that freenet node does not use most of the resources provided to it, but this issue is known and it is being worked on. there were also some google summer of code projekt on this issue
[23:53] <Attaxia> ah cool
[23:53] <Attaxia> btw, why shouldn't you use IE for freenet?
[23:53] <Attaxia> how does it make you insecure
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[23:58] <CIA-14> zothar * r11339 /trunk/apps/pyFreenet/refbot.py: refbot: bots swap options and honor them.
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[23:59] <Zothar> I don't know all the details, but it apparently doesn't honor MIME types for one
[23:59] <Zothar> bbl
[23:59] <sleon> Attaxia: 1) software comes form$ . -> it gathers data about you and phones home. so not good for anonymity. 2) you can cause the software to do wired stuff like formatting your harddrive or again sending and gathering data with plane html
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