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[0:09] <Zothar_Work> 11259 took awhile
[0:09] <Zothar_Work> well, actually I missed CIA's announce, so CIA is behind the times...
[0:10] <Zothar_Work> nm, I'm confusing myself; it took awhile
[0:10] <OctobersDark> Zothar_Work: hmm?
[0:10] <Zothar_Work> OctobersDark: it was even doing it's work quite quickly earlier today
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[0:11] <Zothar_Work> maybe a scheduled cronjob hasn't finished or something
[0:11] <OctobersDark> i have just seen some error messages or something
[0:11] <OctobersDark> I haven't gona back through the log
[0:14] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11260 /tags/Thaw/0.6/build.xml: improve Thaw's buildfile
[0:14] <boyash> wanna swap refs?
[0:14] <Zothar_Work> on #freenet-refs; it's quiet here too, BTW
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[0:17] <Zothar_Work> ah, a monitoring script now; very good nextg
[0:18] <Zothar_Work> (I've got one, it just needs a bit more data for the auto-email bit we were talking about)
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[0:22] * Set by toad_ on Fri Dec 01 22:56:34 UTC 2006
[0:24] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11261 /trunk/apps/Thaw/build.xml: Thaw: improve the buildfile
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[0:30] <nextgens> hi
[0:30] <Zothar_Work> hi
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[0:30] <Zothar_Work> fix view-CVS maybe?
[0:30] <nextgens> it had been disabled ?
[0:30] <Zothar_Work> I like the monitoring script; it email yet?
[0:30] <Zothar_Work> it's broken; which breaks updater.py (hmm, maybe you did it on purpose??? :)
[0:31] <nextgens> what do you mean it's broken ?
[0:31] <nextgens> it works for me
[0:31] <nextgens> yes, it does everything neede
[0:31] <nextgens> +d
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[0:31] <nextgens> I got fet up so I wrote it
[0:32] <Zothar_Work> oh, it==view-CVS
[0:32] <Zothar_Work> http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/trunk/apps/pyFreenet/
[0:32] <nextgens> I've mailed Ian about it
[0:32] <nextgens> it's worst than that :<
[0:32] <Zothar_Work> ah, OK, so it wasn't your updating...
[0:32] <nextgens> I got /lib/tls/libnss_dns.so.2: symbol __res_maybe_init, version
[0:32] <nextgens> GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time
[0:32] <nextgens> reference
[0:32] <nextgens> starting irssi
[0:33] <Zothar_Work> ick
[0:33] <nextgens> services on emu are gonna die until we reboot
[0:33] <nextgens> but we won't until I know who has updated the libc to an unstable version
[0:33] <nextgens> as it might be a r00tk1t as well
[0:34] <nextgens> it's not a good timing : most of our backups were offline :<
[0:34] <nextgens> anyway, I'm off to bed
[0:34] <nextgens> cya
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[0:35] <boyash> fader :)
[0:35] <fader> hiho boyash
[0:35] <Zothar_Work> nextgens: (that concern is part of my ick, BTW)
[0:35] <Zothar_Work> nn
[0:39] <toad_> evening
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[1:18] <boyash> how can i get onto the freedom engine?
[1:21] <Zothar_Work> IIRC, TFE is not available on 0.7
[1:26] <fader> in frost, whos the owner of a board? if i do not have keys or give out the private (write?) key, everybody is able to delete or reconfigure it?
[1:27] <Zothar_Work> fader: if there is a private key, then whomever has the private key owns; that doesn't mean somebody else might not have a same named board and I'm not sure how name collisions are handled
[1:27] <Zothar_Work> ask bback on frost
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[1:28] <Zothar_Work> (IIRC)
[1:28] <fader> thx
[1:28] <OctobersDark> it is bblack on the 'frost' board
[1:28] <Zothar_Work> bblack? hmm, weird
[1:29] <OctobersDark> well, I thought so, let me check
[1:30] <OctobersDark> crap, bback.
[1:30] <OctobersDark> _-Frost aCtIVe DeVeLoPMeNT cREW-_
[1:30] <OctobersDark> my bad due
[1:30] <OctobersDark> ued
[1:30] <fader> ah, ok, bback is a nick, ic
[1:31] <OctobersDark> yeah, but bback is the man to talk to about frost
[1:31] <Zothar_Work> yeah
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[1:32] <fader> is there a threaded or something?
[1:32] <OctobersDark> I'm not sure i understand your concern about board ownership though, the boards are public for the most part, and if they are private, you are the one who has the keys
[1:33] <OctobersDark> the new Alph3 frost is threaded
[1:33] <fader> ah, nice
[1:33] <fader> cause im getting lost without threading
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[1:34] <Zothar_Work> fader: yeah, to get alpha3, see the frost board; you'll have to turn on backwards loading for a couple of weeks or so back I think to see the post
[1:34] <fader> OctobersDark: I just wondered, as its said i can give the write key away
[1:35] <OctobersDark> yeah, if you create a private board and give the write key away, I think the receiving party can then write on the board
[1:35] <Zothar_Work> fader: once you give it away (that's the private key I believe), then it's "owned" by everyone that has it I think
[1:36] <Zothar_Work> the description may be something locally settable in any case, but I'm not sure on that
[1:36] <fader> it has been discussed in context of anti-spam measures
[1:36] <OctobersDark> fader: the link for the new frost is in the 'frost' board under the topic "Frost ALPHA-3"
[1:37] <fader> OctobersDark: thx, i just got it
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[1:37] <OctobersDark> there are ways to filter/plonk out poster you don't like under the preferences section
[1:38] <OctobersDark> like you can filter out the 'n' word, or whatever, and can filter out unsigned nicks
[1:38] <fader> Im refering to http://127.0.0.1:8888/USK@XeMBryjuEaxqazEuxwnn~G7wCUOXFOZlVWbscdCOUFs,209eycYVidlZvhgL5V2a3INFxrofxzQctEZvyJaFL7I,AQABAAE/frost/2/en-support.html
[1:38] <fader> the "Spam!" Part
[1:38] <OctobersDark> but it seems most post under 'anonymous' anyway
[1:40] <OctobersDark> looks like the "spam-hq" board would be one to add
[1:44] <fader> whats the set of files i need to backup migrating frost? only identities.xml?
[1:45] <Zothar_Work> fader: when going from stable to alpha, you can't copy on top of, so just leave the old copy in place and tell the alpha where to find it
[1:45] <fader> ok
[1:52] <fader> mmm, "Requesting..." damn
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[1:56] <CIA-14> toad * r11262 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/io/comm/UdpSocketManager.java: Comments
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[2:04] <fader> any other place to get that frost alpha?
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[2:06] <OctobersDark> hm, I have it here...but you shouldn't trust stragers
[2:07] <OctobersDark> I don't htink he has posted it on the www
[2:07] <fader> this slowness is so frustrating
[2:07] <OctobersDark> I can try to dcc it to you
[2:08] <fader> mm, yeah, but there is still the trust thing ;-)
[2:08] <OctobersDark> yeah, just if you were getting imaptient
[2:08] <OctobersDark> :-)
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[2:08] <fader> if it will start downloading at all ... but most links in freenet seem to be b0rken
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[2:09] <fader> i wonder, who is consuming all the bandwidth and for what ...
[2:09] <OctobersDark> google just shows a link to the iRC log for 'frost-24-Nov-2006.zip"
[2:10] <fader> argl, good old google ;-)
[2:12] <fader> same not-working key
[2:15] <fader> yeah, finally incoming ...
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[2:43] <toasted1> I have a question, can anyone help?
[2:43] <toasted1> A noob question...
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[2:54] <BosHaus> just ask
[2:54] <BosHaus> and if someone can help, they will
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[3:01] <toasted1> I started Freennet and added a couple of nodes found on bulix.org site but none of the nodes ever connect. am I doing something wrong?
[3:03] <fader> toasted1: they need to add you too
[3:04] <toasted1> ooohhh... thanks...
[3:04] <fader> toasted1: go to #freenet-refs and advertise
[3:04] <fader> not the most secure way, but a fast starter
[3:07] <toasted1> thanks fader... got to go...
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[3:40] <yeshuman> oahu
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[3:46] <CIA-14> zothar * r11263 /trunk/apps/pyFreenet/minibot.py: refbot: Fix the nickserv registration problem caused by nickserv changing the retry time period; now we wait a dynamic amount of time based on their request.
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[4:02] <CIA-14> zothar * r11264 /trunk/apps/pyFreenet/ (fcp/node.py refbot.py): refbot: Check that we're not trying to use the grossly outdated fcp/node.py that ships in the pyfcp v0.2.5 tarball.
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[4:36] <CIA-14> zothar * r11265 /trunk/apps/pyFreenet/updater.py: pyFreenet: Updater.py now falls back to download everything mode if view-CVS is down, but now out.
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[4:40] <kandahar> I have a question: what is 'good topology' and 'bad topology' and how do I know what category my node would fall into?
[4:41] <kandahar> does it have anything to do with 'location' on the node page?
[4:52] <CIA-14> zothar * r11266 /trunk/apps/pyFreenet/fcp/node.py: pyFreenet: CRLF -> LF for fcp/node.py
[4:53] <CIA-14> zothar * r11267 /trunk/apps/pyFreenet/fcp/node.py: pyFreenet/refbot: Actually commit the svnRevision code that the latest refbot requires.
[4:59] <CIA-14> zothar * r11268 /trunk/apps/pyFreenet/refbot.py: refbot: Recognized a failed attempt at using a known pastebin and suggest others.
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[6:41] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11269 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/io/comm/UdpSocketManager.java: Reinstate the synchronisation on USM.getUnclaimedFIFOMessageCounts()
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[7:22] <zorton> is the sun java runtime still the best to use for freenet? i'm wanting to give .7 a try on a debian machine and getting sun's java installed can be a bit of a pain
[7:27] <_ph00> sun's 1.5.0_06 or better
[7:27] <zorton> kay
[7:27] <zorton> let's see if i can get this thing fired up
[7:27] <zorton> how much content moved over to the .7 network?
[7:27] <_ph00> some did
[7:28] <zorton> it'll be a starting point at least
[7:28] <_ph00> some is "new" (not mirrored from .5)
[7:28] <zorton> cool
[7:28] <_ph00> freenet seems to be growing
[7:28] <zorton> that's a happy thing
[7:29] <_ph00> not fast enough, but it *is* growing
[7:29] <zorton> I ran a .5 node for sometime before things starting going downhill
[7:30] <_ph00> I tried that but I had to give up because I can't port forward, but with .7 it works anyways. And it's faster than .5 (less slow)
[7:30] <zorton> you going to be around for a bit? I suspect i'll need some node refs
[7:30] <zorton> good to hear
[7:30] <_ph00> join #freenet-refs
[7:30] <zorton> k
[7:30] <zorton> let me get things install firstly
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[8:00] <zorton> the start wrapper is spitting this error: http://pastebin.ca/269113
[8:00] <zorton> any thoughts?
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[8:16] <TheSeeker|Gone> looks like it's not being started with the correct command line or has a missing/corrupt freenet-ext.jar
[8:16] <zorton> year, just found that
[8:17] <zorton> the bin/1run binary isn't grabbing teh freenet-ext.jar or anything else
[8:17] <zorton> i'm trying manually
[8:17] <zorton> heh, permission deined errors
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[8:20] <zorton> annoying
[8:20] <zorton> i'll try the GUI installer
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[8:27] <TheSeeker|Gone> well, I've updated my node to 11269 ... and a download went from what was claimed to be ~ 46% complete to ~ 16% complete after the restart ... (% of all blocks, not required blocks)
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[8:30] <mayiahi> noob question
[8:31] <mayiahi> how do i install http://www.freenet.org.nz/pyfcp/
[8:31] <mayiahi> don't see any exe files
[8:31] <TheSeeker|Gone> ... it's a set of python scripts isn't it?
[8:31] <mayiahi> yeah,i think
[8:31] <TheSeeker|Gone> so.... extract them? :P
[8:32] <mayiahi> then what
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[8:32] <TheSeeker|Gone> I assume the scripts are for people familiar with python ...
[8:33] <mayiahi> hmmm
[8:33] <mayiahi> any other way on how to run a refernce swapping bot then?
[8:33] <zorton> that's cool, the new installer shows a blank "Language Seletion" screen when running over ssh forwarded X
[8:34] <TheSeeker|Gone> you'll probably get more help with that in #freenet-refs
[8:34] <mayiahi> No help there thats why I came here :P
[8:35] <TheSeeker|Gone> bother the person that wrote the bot?
[8:35] <mayiahi> The msg was psoted by the reference bot if you can desipher anything from it...
[8:36] <mayiahi> Fred_24_7_bot is a Freenet NodeRef Swap-bot (install http://www.freenet.org.nz/pyfcp/ + run http://freenet.xzwq.net/pyfcp/updater.py then run refbot.py)(bot2bot)
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[8:39] <TheSeeker|Gone> sorry, can't help. and I gotta go. reafk.
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[9:39] <nextgens> hi
[9:39] <nextgens> zorton> ? worksforme(tm)
[9:39] <nextgens> zorton> I suggest you use the tarball on an headless system
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[10:43] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11270 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/NodeDispatcher.java: indent
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[12:21] <IMCensored1> any reason why i stop the freenet service... i can still get to access my darknet.. but windows swares up and down that the freenet service isnt running
[12:24] <IMCensored1> i have the latest-testing version... im going back to latest-stable
[12:24] <IMCensored1> the only way i could shut it off though was by terminating the java process
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[12:35] <IMCensored1> interesting too... before i restarted my box... all my refs were connected... now only 1 is connecting... and all of mine are 24/7
[12:35] <IMCensored1> this is depressing
[12:36] <nextgens> IMCensored1> what version are they using ?
[12:37] <IMCensored1> one is 1004 the rest are 1006
[12:37] <nextgens> IMCensored1> for your first problem, I suspect a browser caching issue
[12:38] <nextgens> try shift+ctrl+r
[12:38] <IMCensored1> i did that
[12:38] <IMCensored1> it wouldnt let me rename freenet.jar until i terminated the process... when i stepped back to the latest stable... it shut down fine
[12:39] <nextgens> is there anything obvious in your wrapper.log ?
[12:40] <IMCensored1> ill look
[12:40] <nextgens> we haven't done anything that would prevent a clean shutdown iirc
[12:46] <IMCensored1> i get alot of -
[12:46] <IMCensored1> INFO | jvm 2 | 2006/12/06 06:31:36 | Failed to load node: Could not bind to port: 3702 (node already running?) (10)
[12:46] <IMCensored1> http://dark-code.bulix.org/8z0la0-25294?raw
[12:47] <IMCensored1> but the log reports that with the latest stable version too
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[12:54] <IMCensored1> the only other odd thing i see in the wrapper.log is http://dark-code.bulix.org/8yogja-25295?raw
[12:54] <nextgens> bbiab
[12:55] <IMCensored1> but my connections are slowly coming back
[12:55] <IMCensored1> alright
[12:56] <IMCensored1> i guess after a system restart i need to give it like 30 minutes or so to start reconnecting to my peers
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[13:21] <cyberdo> nextgens: if it was disabled, I didn't get any mail. And the rsync is running every 2 min, and the computer have been up for 29 days
[13:22] <cyberdo> won't be online that much for a couple of days, so i'd prefer answers) if any) via mail
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[14:25] <IMCensored1> nextgens: i dont think chanserv is doing the trick in -refs. the language channels are deader than ever. I think a lot of people disregard chanserv messages as server noise. Also since i turned my bot off, its back to every 10 minutes someone has to explain to someone how to make their refs raw
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[14:35] <mayiahi______> Imcensored1 can you provide a quick guide to setting up a bot that swaps refernces?
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[14:53] <mozillaman> toad_: What's new at Santa's workshop? :)
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[15:18] <IMCensored1> mayiahi_________: i didnt code the bot that swap references - mine relays information
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[15:43] <mozillaman> Nothing new? :(
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[15:45] <Zothar_Work> I don't think a new release has been made yet, so you might want to check the commit logs; only thing I can remember is nextgen doing some performance improvements
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[15:57] <toad_> hi
[15:58] <toad_> mozillaman gone hmmm
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[16:15] <IMCensored1> toad_: on a windows box... what can i do to avoid getting this message
[16:15] <IMCensored1> ERROR | wrapper | 2006/12/06 11:02:32 | JVM appears hung: Timed out waiting for signal from JVM.
[16:15] <IMCensored1> ERROR | wrapper | 2006/12/06 11:02:33 | JVM did not exit on request, terminated
[16:15] <IMCensored1> seems like every time my node crashes, thats the reason
[16:16] <IMCensored1> it doesnt seem to discrimnate what im doing either.. whether downloading, uploading, browsing, or idling... it seems to happen randomly ever 2 - 6 hours
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[16:17] <toad_> hmmm
[16:17] <toad_> that's very odd
[16:18] <toad_> show me the wrapper.log?
[16:19] <IMCensored1> alright hold on
[16:19] <IMCensored1> how much do you want of it
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[16:19] <toad_> i dunno
[16:19] <toad_> the last two restarts worth
[16:20] <MaxxDrv> has anyone noticed that installing into a directory with a space in the name causes problems on linux?
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[16:21] <toad_> that's not unusual
[16:21] <toad_> will cause problems with lots of things
[16:22] <IMCensored1> i put from my last system reboot (though its been doing it for a while though) which was abour 4 hrs ago
[16:22] <IMCensored1> http://dark-code.bulix.org/t35ykl-25310?raw
[16:24] <MaxxDrv> i wasn't thinking when i did that.
[16:25] <MaxxDrv> things that make you go; "DOH!"
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[16:27] <_ph00> must be italian
[16:27] <IMCensored1> seems like the bottom was cut off - http://dark-code.bulix.org/zq8tec-25312?raw (this is where most of the problem is)
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[16:34] <CIA-14> toad * r11271 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/DarknetConnectionsToadlet.java: Tidy up a bit
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[16:38] <toad_> IMCensored1: hmmm
[16:38] <toad_> IMCensored1: show me your wrapper.conf too
[16:46] <toad_> IMCensored1: no idea why it hangs
[16:46] <toad_> IMCensored1: show me your wrapper.conf please?
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[17:09] <IMCensored1> toad_: http://dark-code.bulix.org/j8g6ew-25316?raw - warpper.conf
[17:11] <toad_> brb
[17:13] <IMCensored1> alright... i'll be back and forth for the next 10 - 15 minutes... but then i'm going to be AFK for about 15 or so hours
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[17:22] <IMCensored1> i'm out.. Toad_ if you have anything for me to do, can you mention it in -chat, since the channel gets less traffic, and i'll be here tomorrow morning if ya need anything else from me
[17:33] <toad_> ok
[17:35] <toad_> IMCensored1: looks normal to me
[17:35] <toad_> IMCensored1: try setting wrapper.ping.timeout=0; does the node become catatonic? (it won't restart if it does)
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[17:58] <toad_> [OT] the Gowers review is available .. it recommends amongst other things that ripping your CDs to your iPod be decriminalized by 2008 :)
[18:00] <nextgens> hi
[18:00] <Zothar_Work> [OT] should give the legislature-types some time to move with their normal haste
[18:01] <toad_> [OT] the govt has said it would implement the bits it can do unilaterally, so by 2008 we will be legally allowed to rip stuff we own, yay
[18:01] <Zothar_Work> I assume we've no word from sanity yet re emu
[18:01] <toad_> [OT] it also recommends increasing sentences for non-profit infringement, but a lot of it is good; some could be bad, but I'd have to read the full report to be sure
[18:01] <toad_> Zothar_Work: eh?
[18:01] <toad_> Zothar_Work: what's up with emu?
[18:01] <toad_> nextgens: what's up with emu?
[18:02] <Zothar_Work> toad_: nextgens can fill you in more than I
[18:02] <toad_> ok, /me asking nextgens
[18:02] <nextgens> toad_> Ian has updated emu to something in between Etch and sid :<
[18:02] <nextgens> including the libc
[18:02] <toad_> nextgens: hmmm
[18:03] <nextgens> whereas we aimed to be on sarge
[18:03] <toad_> nextgens: if we just apt-get dist-upgrade it, would that breaks lots of stuff?
[18:03] <nextgens> of course as he hasen't done it fully, the current libc is *really* in an unsable state
[18:03] <nextgens> no
[18:03] <toad_> would it in fact fix the problem?
[18:04] <nextgens> doing so will migrate to sid
[18:04] <toad_> hmmm
[18:04] * toad_ supposes sanity wanted to install something which was only in sid ...
[18:04] <nextgens> well, installing sid on a server won't fix anything
[18:04] <toad_> the problem is, you can't go from sid back to etch ...
[18:04] <toad_> well, we don't have a lot of sid packages ... can we just go back to etch?
[18:04] <nextgens> nor from an undefined state to anywhere ;)
[18:04] <toad_> etch isn't horribly unstable
[18:04] <Zothar_Work> etch would be cool, but sid wouldn't be at all
[18:05] * nextgens doesn't like to use testing on "sensitive" servers
[18:05] <toad_> nextgens: did you find out what it was that he wanted that wasn't in etch? i don't think mantis is in etch last time i looked...
[18:05] * Zothar_Work can understand nextgens' approach and agrees almost 100%
[18:05] <nextgens> mantis was in sarge
[18:05] <toad_> well, what is the solution?
[18:05] <nextgens> let me read my mails : maybe he has replied
[18:05] <toad_> can we go back to sourceforge hosting the website for a while?
[18:06] <nextgens> hosting the website isn't the problem
[18:06] <Zothar_Work> website works AFAIK
[18:06] <nextgens> it works, doesn't it ?
[18:06] <toad_> yes but if we have to reinstall ...
[18:06] <nextgens> it won't soon
[18:06] <nextgens> nah, we can't reinstall everything
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[18:07] <nextgens> it would be a good idea, according to how emu's hd has been partitionned though
[18:07] <nextgens> but it's not a reallistic option
[18:07] * nextgens doesn't have time to proceed anyway
[18:07] <toad_> i thought we could go in on a serial line from bytemark?
[18:07] <nextgens> we can
[18:07] <nextgens> I don't have time to do it, that's all
[18:08] <nextgens> my todo is already bigger than it ought to
[18:08] <toad_> okay, so what is the minimum to make SVN work, and other stuff not break in the near future?
[18:08] <toad_> can we safely go back to etch, for example?
[18:08] <nextgens> if it stays in its current state, it will break
[18:08] <nextgens> dunno
[18:08] <nextgens> I dunno what sanity has installed
[18:09] <nextgens> rebooting would at least solve the libc problem
[18:09] <toad_> would it break everything else though?
[18:09] <nextgens> but emu might not survive a reboot
[18:09] <toad_> would it force us to dist-upgrade to sid?
[18:09] <nextgens> indeed
[18:09] * nextgens is against having sid on emu
[18:10] <toad_> this is wierd
[18:10] <toad_> it has stable and sid
[18:10] <toad_> but not testing
[18:10] <nextgens> well, if we do, you'll administrate it without my help :)
[18:10] <toad_> well, it's his server as well as ours ...
[18:10] <toad_> and naturally he's on holiday for two weeks
[18:10] <nextgens> toad_> have a look to the pinning file
[18:10] <nextgens> toad_> it's set to testing : hence we can't know what has been installed!
[18:11] <toad_> nextgens: hmmm
[18:11] <nextgens> toad_> he replied :)
[18:11] <toad_> nextgens: but testing isn't even in the sources.list !
[18:11] <toad_> it only has stable/sarge and unstable
[18:11] <toad_> and a src line from testing
[18:11] <nextgens> hence I said "unknown" state
[18:11] <toad_> nextgens: what did he say?
[18:12] <nextgens> we would have to go back through the bash-history log to see what has been done
[18:12] <nextgens> or to do a diff on the installed packages
[18:12] <toad_> there isn't much there
[18:12] <nextgens> I do backup a dpkg --get-selections on a regular basis
[18:12] <nextgens> but as backups have been br0ken :<
[18:13] <nextgens> well, I'm confident we can get a diff from there
[18:13] <toad_> nextgens: what did he say?
[18:14] <zorton> i'm having a terrible time with the installers
[18:14] <nextgens> I've pasted you the mail in pm
[18:14] <nextgens> let me read my inbox ; I'll get back to you
[18:14] <zorton> the headless one dosen't seem to set the $DST variable set properly while the GUI seems to stick on the Librarian.jar
[18:15] <Zothar_Work> I'd have to take a look, but some install/remove actions are logged somewhere since I've gotten reports of such from logwatch
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[18:17] <Zothar_Work> zorton: I'm not completely familiar with the installers, but if you're on a unix environment, you could try the tarball + run1.sh approach
[18:17] <zorton> Zothar_Work: yeah, I just got it fired up by using the GUI installer over a VNC session
[18:17] <zorton> rather a bit of a pain really :)
[18:18] <Zothar_Work> zorton: I must admit that the first time I intalled, was via the installer, which worked rather well on my Mac OS X box; after that, I've been mostly just copying and deleting as appropriate :)
[18:18] <zorton> yeah
[18:18] <zorton> the GUI seems the most polished, hte headless one is a mess
[18:19] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11272 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Cleanup some imports, implement basic sorting on /queue/
[18:19] <zorton> if I find the error i'll send a patch
[18:19] <Zothar_Work> nextgen would probably appreciate anything you find
[18:21] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11273 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/ (68 files in 8 dirs): Thaw: Code cleanup, fix the database locking mechanism : I got the green light from Jflesh :)
[18:23] <zorton> I love listen to British politics, you hear the nice jeering crowd
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[18:24] <zorton> how would I test that my firewall is passing UDP traffic on the freenet port?
[18:24] <zorton> if it was TCP I would try telnet or something similar
[18:24] <Zothar_Work> nc can do UDP, but you'd have to be running nc from outside the firewall to test it
[18:25] <Zothar_Work> I assume you want to test port forwarding
[18:25] * zorton nods
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[18:37] <zorton> kay, got the port forwarding setup properly, nmap finds the UDP port as open but the FProxy homepage complains about a firewall being detected even after restart
[18:37] <zorton> is there something I have to tweak to get it to redetect?
[18:39] <Zothar_Work> zorton: I'm not surehow the firewall is being detected beyond what the jSTUN plugin does; if you're getting connectivity with other peers, you can probably safely ignore/disable the plugin
[18:39] <zorton> doh, wrong chan
[18:39] <zorton> jSTUN is the IP detect plugin?
[18:39] <Zothar_Work> yeah++
[18:39] <zorton> kay, i'll exchange refs and see how it goes
[19:13] <Zothar_Work> nextgens: somebody's working on the website I guess 'cause it's not working for me like it was anymore
[19:13] <nextgens> indeed
[19:13] <nextgens> toad is updating emu
[19:13] <Zothar_Work> wiki's down too
[19:13] <Zothar_Work> OK
[19:13] <nextgens> everything is down :)
[19:13] <Zothar_Work> yeah, with toad updating, I would guess it is :)
[19:13] <nextgens> the question is more for how long ? ;)
[19:13] <Zothar_Work> yeah
[19:14] <nextgens> if it works, we can plan a ~30m downtime
[19:14] <Zothar_Work> remember if the jSTUN plugin is the same API as SNMP or not?
[19:14] <nextgens> yes, it's the same
[19:14] <nextgens> Bombe's api is used only by spiders iirc
[19:15] <zorton> well bummer, it dosen't look like the UDP hole is punched properly
[19:15] <zorton> any ideas on that one?
[19:15] <Zothar_Work> zorton: unfortunately, that's likely very NAT/firewall dependent
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[19:21] <toad_> zorton: corporate or domestic NAT?
[19:21] <zorton> openbsd
[19:23] <Zothar_Work> [OT] according to the SANS Internet Storm Center handlers diary, GnuPG today released a new version addressing a vulnerability in older versions
[19:25] <zorton> there we go, with UDP you can't rely on state's to build the pass out rule :)
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[19:34] * Zothar_Work guesses FreenetLogBot is not necessarily running on emu
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[19:40] <nextgens> Zothar_Work> it is
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[19:48] <Zothar_Work> The monitoring script has detected a network in the Internet : it has been disabled
[19:48] <Zothar_Work> bah, missed the word glitch
[19:49] <toad_> hehe
[19:50] <toad_> [OT] quick quiz: how does copyright on sound recordings work? is it N years since it was recorded, or N years since it was published?
[19:51] <toad_> [OT] "digital remastering" etc probably is a new derived work with its own copyright?
[19:52] <Zothar_Work> [OT] I dunno about the recorded vs. published, but I think you're right on the derived work bit
[19:52] <Zothar_Work> IANAL
[19:53] <_ph00> since the copyright was registered at the patent and copyright office?
[19:53] <toad_> [OT] okay, and does the work involved in preparing an analog work for publication 20 years later constitute such a derived work?
[19:53] <Zothar_Work> [OT] probably
[19:53] <Zothar_Work> _ph00: not all copyrights have to be registered to be valid
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[19:54] <toad_> [OT] so you can only upload stuff which you actually bought at least 50/95 years ago?
[19:54] <_ph00> (tried a guess...)
[19:55] <Zothar_Work> [OT] based on my reading of Gutenberg project stuff, for books, it's not strickly a X years ago, and I imagine it's not that cut and dry for recordings either
[19:55] <toad_> [OT] or which *somebody* bought 50/95 years ago?
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[19:58] <toad_> [OT] well simply copying from tape to vinyl wouldn't make a new copyright ... but some other work might?
[19:59] <Zothar_Work> [OT] simply copying may be enough; I really don't know, unfortunately
[19:59] <toad_> hmmm
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[19:59] <toad_> [OT] /me wonders if archive.org has an FAQ on such matters
[20:01] <Zothar_Work> [OT] additionally, it's annoying to us types that you can't just go look at the online copy of the related statutes and know since, at least in the US, there's also court decision precedent, which is very voluminous
[20:01] <Zothar_Work> [OT] a.k.a. case law, IIRC
[20:01] <toad_> hmmm
[20:02] <toad_> anyone understand mailman?
[20:02] <Zothar_Work> toad_: I run it on a server, so some at least :)
[20:02] <toad_> ok...
[20:02] <toad_> i'm trying to upgrade emu from some horrible mess to mostly etch
[20:03] <toad_> it wants me to clear the qfiles/
[20:03] <toad_> problem is there's a message in shunt which i want
[20:03] <toad_> but that message doesn't show up on the modqueue on the tech list, which is where it should eb
[20:03] <toad_> be
[20:03] <toad_> any ideas?
[20:03] <toad_> maybe it's already gone out?
[20:03] <toad_> Subject: [Tech] Re: The effect of slow nodes
[20:03] <toad_> From: Jano <alejandro@mosteo.com>
[20:03] <toad_> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 16:18:31 +0100
[20:04] <Zothar_Work> hmm
[20:04] <toad_> "Trop tard! Meanwhile, here are some results."
[20:04] <toad_> anyone seen that?
[20:04] <Zothar_Work> I don't think it made it; not to my box anyway
[20:04] <toad_> but it's not on the modqueue
[20:05] <Zothar_Work> it probably just hasn't been sent out yet or not to all members yet
[20:05] <Zothar_Work> will mailman still run in it's current state?
[20:06] <toad_> it seems to
[20:06] <toad_> at least the web admin interface works
[20:06] <toad_> it shows me that it's not queued in the tech queue
[20:07] <Zothar_Work> toad_: can you "start" mailman? I'm not sure the web interface needs mailman to be running to do it's own work
[20:07] <toad_> yeah i think it was running...
[20:07] <Zothar_Work> if your MTA is up and you start mailman just long enough to get everything out...
[20:07] * toad_ just restarted it anyway
[20:08] <toad_> well the shunt/ section is for stuff awaiting moderator input, isn't it?
[20:08] <Zothar_Work> hmm; now you're gonna make me look that one up specifically :)
[20:08] <toad_> every other dir is clear
[20:08] <toad_> i can grab the file and forward it manually if i have to, but i'd prefer not to...
[20:09] <Zothar_Work> understood
[20:10] <toad_> is it easily possible to reintroduce the message later on?
[20:10] <Zothar_Work> toad_: try mailman's bin/unshunt unless you find out what the problem is
[20:10] <toad_> if so i'll just copy them out, delete, upgrade
[20:10] <toad_> yes i tried that it didn't do anything
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[20:11] <Zothar_Work> I guess do the move out of the way thing then since I look at this barely more often than you do I imagine
[20:11] <toad_> # ../bin/inject --help
[20:11] <toad_> Inject a message from a file into Mailman's incoming queue.
[20:11] <toad_> aha
[20:11] <Zothar_Work> there is a log somewhere that says why it's where it is I think
[20:11] * Zothar_Work looks on his box
[20:14] <Zothar_Work> bin/show_qfiles give any clues about it?
[20:15] <Zothar_Work> my qfiles directories are empty, but you might be able to match the filename with something in /var/log/mailman/
[20:16] <toad_> okay, moved them out of the way
[20:16] <toad_> and upgrading...
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[20:30] <nextgens> hi
[20:31] <toad_> hi
[20:31] <nextgens> is the mailman issue solved ?
[20:31] <toad_> yes
[20:31] <toad_> but the site is down
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[21:09] <zorton> 127.0.0.1,0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 I read that as allow from localhost and 0.0.0.0 to 0.0.0.1
[21:09] <zorton> why 0.0.0.0?
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[21:11] <Zothar_Work> notice the : instead of .; that's IPv6 stuff
[21:11] <Zothar_Work> well : intead of .
[21:11] <zorton> ahhh
[21:11] <zorton> missed that, now that makes sense, IPv6 loopback
[21:11] <Zothar_Work> the long bit ending in 0:0:1 is the long version of ::1 which is localhost on IPv6
[21:11] <zorton> if I recal my IPv6 though zero's can be skipped
[21:11] <Zothar_Work> yeah, Freenet's stuff is not converting back to "shorthand"
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[22:30] <mk_> what are the plans for premix routing?
[22:32] <mk_> same as in tor etc? what sort of pool will the routers be selected from? how many links?
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[22:43] <toad_> hmmm
[22:43] <toad_> nextgens is still not back, and emu is still broken
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[22:45] <toad_> nextgens: hey!
[22:45] <nextgens> hey
[22:45] <nextgens> I gtg again ... but I saw the website was still offline so I've fixed it
[22:45] <toad_> nextgens: you off all this time, or you lurking on another nick waiting for me to summon you?
[22:45] <toad_> it's still broken
[22:45] <nextgens> send me a list of broken things on emu and I'll try to fix them when I get around it
[22:45] <nextgens> toad_> no
[22:46] <nextgens> I was really away :)
[22:46] <toad_> hmmm that's my firefox being silly
[22:46] <sleon_> nextgens:
[22:46] <sleon_> nextgens: there ?
[22:46] <nextgens> sleon_> yes, for 5 mins
[22:46] <sleon_> nextgens: the mirroring glitch is strange
[22:47] <sleon_> it is resolved wrongly
[22:47] <sleon_> please then enter my statical ip in place of domain
[22:47] <sleon_> query
[22:47] <nextgens> sleon_> btw, your server is having SMTP problems too
[22:47] <toad_> nextgens: bugs.freenetproject.org is still broken
[22:47] <nextgens> might be a dns problem indeed
[22:47] <sleon_> nextgens: it is
[22:47] <nextgens> sleon_> ok, what's your ip ?
[22:47] <sleon_> nextgens: (88.198.34.102
[22:48] <toad_> nextgens: well if you don't fix it ian will ... and he'll break it again
[22:48] * toad_ will have a look though
[22:48] <sleon_> nextgens: very strange!
[22:48] <nextgens> sleon_> done
[22:48] <sleon_> nextgens: try if it works now please
[22:48] <nextgens> sleon_> the script ought to "solve" it in 15 mins
[22:48] <sleon_> should
[22:48] <sleon_> nextgens: and it is resolved correctly here ...
[22:48] <sleon_> nextgens: which dns server are you using ?
[22:49] <nextgens> bytemark's caching dns server
[22:49] <sleon_> nextgens: ask this server : 213.191.74.11
[22:49] <nextgens> toad_> anything else apart mantis ?
[22:49] <sleon_> nextgens: and compare to yours
[22:49] <toad_> dunno
[22:50] <nextgens> send me a list by mail .. I'll try to fix it tomorrow
[22:50] <toad_> ok
[22:52] <toad_> nextgens: can i just enable the proxy module in apache2?
[22:52] <toad_> in fact ...
[22:53] <toad_> proxy is enabled, i just need to enable the new specific proxy_http module
[22:57] <toad_> nextgens: i think SVN is broken too
[23:03] <nextgens> toad_> may you stop editing http.conf please ?
[23:03] <toad_> nextgens: no
[23:03] <nextgens> sleon_> your mirror is back
[23:03] <toad_> nextgens: either you fix it now or i will continue to attempt to fix it
[23:03] <nextgens> toad_> I know what it is
[23:03] <toad_> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg00856.html
[23:03] <toad_> that, probably
[23:04] <nextgens> forget about that :)
[23:04] <nextgens> it's suPHP
[23:04] * toad_ not editing it any more anyway
[23:05] <mk_> where can I find information on how freenet will implement premix routing?
[23:05] <nextgens> toad_> it's fixed
[23:05] <toad_> mk_: on the wiki, then on the mailing list archives, but it is vague at this point
[23:05] <toad_> <tr><td class="form-title">APPLICATION ERROR #401</td></tr><tr><td><p class="center" style="color: red;">Database
[23:05] <toad_> query failed. Error received from database was #1146: Table
[23:05] <toad_> 'freenet_mantis.mantis_project_hierarchy_table' doesn't exist for the
[23:05] <toad_> query: SELECT DISTINCT p.id, ph.parent_id, p.name</p></td></tr>
[23:06] <toad_> and SVN is still broken
[23:06] <toad_> but it's a different bug, yay
[23:07] * toad_ notes that if we've lost MANTIS, ian will be mad
[23:07] <toad_> because it hosts his mantis too
[23:07] <nextgens> it's not lost
[23:11] <nextgens> toad_> may you test svn again please ?
[23:12] <toad_> yes
[23:12] <toad_> SVN works
[23:13] <toad_> is there a simple explanation for why it wasn't working? :)
[23:13] <nextgens> ok, so you can work ;)
[23:13] <toad_> mantis is still broken
[23:13] <nextgens> yep
[23:13] <nextgens> the svn update
[23:13] <nextgens> [Wed Dec 06 23:06:03 2006] [error] [client 82.32.17.1] Failed to load the AuthzSVNAccessFile: The character 'o' in rule '*' is not allowed in authz rules
[23:13] <toad_> mantis is pretty important too
[23:13] <nextgens> [Wed Dec 06 23:06:03 2006] [error] [client 82.32.17.1] Access denied: 'toad' PROPFIND svn:/trunk/freenet
[23:13] <toad_> nextgens: i saw that
[23:13] <nextgens> "don't care" :)
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[23:14] <toad_> okay, i'll spend the next hour trying to get mantis to work then
[23:14] <toad_> that's fine
[23:14] <nextgens> I was against using mantis as it's a f*cking pain to administrate and maintain
[23:14] <nextgens> mosreover as we switched from a stable to an unstable version, I don't know how to do
[23:15] <nextgens> there must be a reason why there is no testing package ;)
[23:15] <toad_> it's my job. you could do it 5x faster, but you've got other things you need to do, and you've been an immense asset already
[23:15] <toad_> so i'll do it, if you don't have time
[23:15] <nextgens> I suggest you make a list of all non-working things and I'll fix tomorrow
[23:15] <nextgens> btw, have you finished the update ?
[23:16] <toad_> what update?
[23:16] <nextgens> some things like gcc and so on needs updating
[23:16] <nextgens> build-essentials too
[23:16] <toad_> the dist-upgrade? we finished that ages ago didn't we?
[23:16] <toad_> didn't think you used build-essential
[23:16] <nextgens> that isn't enough as Ian told some things to be 'held' when he added the unstable source
[23:17] <nextgens> btw, emu won't be stable untill we reboot
[23:17] <Zothar> I take it we're on etch now; I believe that means we should be able do better svn mirroring now :)
[23:17] <nextgens> but don't proceed tonight
[23:17] <nextgens> I won't be able to fix it before tomorrow if it breaks
[23:17] <toad_> it's broken now
[23:17] <nextgens> Zothar> indeed :)
[23:17] <nextgens> Zothar> we might even re-enable SF's svn server and push our changes there
[23:18] <nextgens> so that ro access would be on SF servers
[23:18] <toad_> lets see...
[23:18] <toad_> mantis is broken, svn browsing is broken, lurker works but needs upgrading, svn works, website works, email seems to work...
[23:19] <nextgens> send it by mail
[23:19] <Zothar> wiki loads pages at least
[23:19] <toad_> yes that's bizarre
[23:19] <nextgens> anyway : bbl
[23:19] <toad_> because wiki and mantis are both based on the database
[23:19] <toad_> but mantis says it needs to migrate the database
[23:19] <toad_> and mantis doesn't work
[23:19] <toad_> yet wiki Just Works
[23:19] <nextgens> the database works
[23:20] <toad_> maybe it's a different database?
[23:20] <nextgens> the config file is there
[23:20] <toad_> nextgens: mantis says the database is gone
[23:20] <nextgens> but it needs migrating
[23:20] <nextgens> try it
[23:20] <nextgens> you've got the password: it's there
[23:20] <toad_> well, it auto-migrated with the wiki
[23:20] <nextgens> nope
[23:20] <toad_> so how come the wiki works?
[23:20] <nextgens> the wiki's one hasn't migrated
[23:20] <nextgens> anyway we do have backups
[23:20] <nextgens> that doesn't matter
[23:20] <toad_> i thought you said they were broken?
[23:20] <nextgens> not those ones
[23:21] <toad_> "those ones"?
[23:21] <nextgens> we don't have incremental backups
[23:21] <toad_> ok...
[23:21] <nextgens> but we have differential ones (one week late)
[23:21] <nextgens> and full ones (one month late at most)
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[23:23] <toad_> that's not funny
[23:24] <toad_> <-- nextgens has left this server. ("gone for good")
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[23:33] <toad_> what should i be doing?
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[23:37] * toad_ sulks
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[23:44] * toad_ is addicted to the bug tracker or something
[23:45] <toad_> or maybe worried about ian's commercial ventures also being down ? i suppose that doesn't matter; their web sites will be up, and i don't think anyone else but ian works on them
[23:45] <toad_> the big ones are hosted elsewhere anyway
[23:45] <mk_> I wonder at how much anonymity freenet currently offers, and if it's worthwhile to trade it all for the anonymity that premix routing provides
[23:46] <toad_> mk_: the current situation is that if your peers attack you, they may be able to determine which requests originate from your node
[23:46] <toad_> if they are clever and your requests are for "public" data
[23:47] <CIA-14> jflesch * r11274 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/plugins/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Fix a NPE and an IllegalArgumentException
[23:47] <mk_> correct - well, I wouldn't say clever, anyone can perform the attack
[23:47] <toad_> that's not true
[23:47] <toad_> anyone can do it if somebody clever writes the software needed to do it
[23:47] <toad_> w.r.t. correlation attacks
[23:47] <mk_> yes
[23:47] <toad_> datastore probing is a bit easier
[23:48] <toad_> also you need to maintain a database of public keys
[23:50] <mk_> what do the public keys have to do with attacks?
[23:50] <toad_> mk_: sorry naming clash
[23:50] <toad_> i mean somebody must maintain a database of known keys and what sites/files they belong to
[23:51] <toad_> a mapping from the on-network key to the URI it is part of
[23:51] <toad_> because the on-network key doesn't include everything needed to decrypt it
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[23:55] <CIA-14> zothar * r11275 /trunk/apps/pyFreenet/updater.py: pyfcp updater: Pause for reading on Windows or Python versions older than 2.3
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