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[0:32] <CIA-14> zothar * r11231 /trunk/apps/pyFreenet/ (minibot.py refbot.py): refbot: Fix a few bugs with parsing that were causing bot crashes. Fix the bug that meant the bot wouldn't identify with nickserv after a crash.
[0:58] <Apophis2> anyone knows what happens if freenet suddenly runs on a read only file system??? :/
[1:00] <Zothar> Apophis2: nothing gets written after it switches to read only and maybe some files get corrupted depend on when it's switched (if the node is running at the time); otherwise, it won't run if you're thinking of running of a CDROM or something
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[1:06] <asho> Aphophis2: want to swap refs?
[1:11] <Apophis2> Zothar, I am not thinking about CDROM, My Server Filesystem switched to Read Only 40 Minutes ago... And I fear the Hard drive is gone... parts of the Filestructure is still readable, but fsck makes me worry...
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[1:43] <droptothetop> trying to run freenet on ubuntu edgy AMD64
[1:43] <droptothetop> not working, could it be the 64bit jre?
[1:45] <droptothetop> nevermind ...
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[3:34] <Spargue> need more nodes
[3:42] <Zothar> Apophis2: rsync what you've got to another machine I suppose; at least the peers-, node-, freenet.ini and such
[3:57] <asho> how can i get onto the freedom engine?
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[4:06] <slamla> I've been away from 0.7 for a couple months now. I am considering reinstalling. Has the content improved much?
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[5:52] <boyash> Do i have to have my browser open on the freenet webpage to be connected to the freenet network?>
[5:53] <boyash> ???????
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[5:58] <boyash> izpack is stopping at "downloading thaw" again!
[6:01] <jman88> freenet stays connected in the background even after closing the browser
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[6:07] <boyash> is there some way i can disable, enable?
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[6:14] <fewr> ref anyone?
[6:17] <jman88> try #freenet-refs
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[6:32] <boyash> having trouble downloading the program
[6:32] <boyash> mirroring issues
[6:32] <boyash> would someone be able to fix that for me?
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[8:45] <boyash> having problems downloading freenet software
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[10:27] <effii> I can't access my node... it just loads forever. any ideas?
[10:31] <newblistic> i am totally new to the software but did you run stop node by chance?
[10:31] <newblistic> probably a dumb question
[10:31] <newblistic> sorry
[10:32] <newblistic> it says im connected to you so i guess not
[10:34] <nextgens> hi
[10:34] <nextgens> effii> have a look to the wrapper.log file in your freenet directory
[10:37] <effii> I didn't stop the node :)
[10:37] <effii> The wrapper.log has an error at the end, however, it seems to have mended itself.
[10:38] <nextgens> may you stick revelant parts of the error onto a pastebin please ?
[10:43] <effii> wait, maybe it wasn't a freenet error. I don't know. can't get any pastebins to work atm.
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[10:53] <nextgens> effii> try pastebin.ca
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[10:55] <effii> nextgens: this is what I got. http://pastebin.ca/268128
[10:55] <traderef> hello anyone knows if there is a kind of chat on freenet to chat with other people in the net ?
[10:56] <nextgens> traderef> you can use frost (a messenging board system) to chat
[10:56] <nextgens> albeit it's a bit slow
[10:57] <nextgens> there is no instant messenging system yet
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[10:57] <nextgens> effii> that shouldn't matter much ; it's not a fatal error
[10:58] <traderef> thank you nextgens I'm going to try anderstanding this software ...
[10:58] <nextgens> effii> btw, may you give me your macos version and processor type please ?
[10:59] <effii> nextgens: that's what i thought. i'm on 10.4.8, G4
[11:00] <nextgens> hmm
[11:01] <nextgens> in fact we shouldn't even try to load it on processors !x86
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[11:01] <cbreak> something not working with freenet on mac os?
[11:04] <nextgens> we are using optimized, native libraries on x86... and noone has ported them for PPC yet
[11:04] <nextgens> s/for/to/
[11:04] <nextgens> but it will fallback to the plain, slow java implementation
[11:05] <nextgens> so it shouldn't matter much
[11:05] <cbreak> like in 0.5 then
[11:05] <nextgens> indeed
[11:06] <nextgens> cbreak> you're a .5 user, right ?
[11:06] <cbreak> I was some time ago
[11:06] <cbreak> then I made a break and now I am on 0.7
[11:06] <nextgens> I remember seeing your nick there a while ago
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[12:43] <boyash> heyas
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[12:53] <boyash> heyas
[12:53] <boyash> -s
[12:53] <boyash> hi debolazX
[12:55] <boyash> i can't install the software because it gets stuck downloading!
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[13:09] <nextgens> hi
[13:09] <nextgens> hmm
[13:10] * nextgens tests mirrors
[13:13] <boyash> i'm having issues nextgens
[13:13] <boyash> had to install again and its doing the same thing
[13:13] <nextgens> hold on, I'm testing mirrors :)
[13:14] <nextgens> where is it stuck ?
[13:14] <boyash> downloading jSite
[13:15] <boyash> :|
[13:16] <boyash> any progresss?
[13:19] <nextgens> yes, sleon's mirror is down :<
[13:19] <nextgens> hmm
[13:19] <nextgens> not down but out of sync in fact
[13:21] <nextgens> boyash> it's fixed now
[13:21] <boyash> ok i'lll start again
[13:24] <boyash> nextgens: i think it might be horribly slow
[13:25] <nextgens> I haven't tested the speed at all
[13:30] <boyash> hey i got further this time!
[13:32] <nextgens> :)
[13:33] <boyash> woah! almost done
[13:33] <boyash> unbelievable
[13:33] <boyash> its soooooooooooo slow
[13:33] <boyash> how big are all those files anyway?
[13:33] <boyash> not that big i'm guessing?
[13:34] <nextgens> ~3M for the bigger one
[13:34] <boyash> i'm on adsl
[13:34] <nextgens> and it ought to download ~10M of data at most
[13:35] <boyash> this is taking sooo long! i reckon it'd be turning people away from freenet
[13:35] * nextgens sets up monitoring scripts
[13:35] <nextgens> isn't it a network problem on your end ?
[13:35] <nextgens> are you using ipv6 ?
[13:35] <boyash> i don't know
[13:35] <boyash> how can i check that
[13:36] <nextgens> may you test whether you can access http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/ ?
[13:36] <boyash> yep
[13:36] <boyash> fast as
[13:37] <boyash> the the file 'with jre' mean it has all the other bits too?
[13:37] <boyash> i have access to the directory but i can't download
[13:37] <nextgens> sleon> u're around ?
[13:38] <nextgens> boyash> nope
[13:38] <nextgens> boyash> the tarball has all the file needed ... but it's for unix
[13:38] <boyash> woah it finished!!!
[13:38] <boyash> i can't believe it
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[13:39] <boyash> slow issues
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[13:45] <nextgens> ok, the script is written
[13:45] <nextgens> yay
[13:46] <nextgens> would be cool if it was mailing the owner as well
[13:47] <nextgens> toad_> are you around ?
[13:47] <toad_> nextgens: hi
[13:47] <nextgens> toad_> I wonder whether it should mail the owner or not
[13:47] <nextgens> and how often
[13:47] <toad_> hmmm?
[13:47] <nextgens> I've written a script comparing the timestamp of our mirror and their
[13:47] <toad_> the mirror checker? yes it should mail the owner if it has a reasonably high confidence
[13:47] <nextgens> and it complains if it doesn't match a "reasonable" windows
[13:47] <nextgens> -s
[13:48] <nextgens> ok, but shall it take measures on its own ?
[13:48] <nextgens> ie: shall it disable the mirror for the time beeing ?
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[13:49] <nextgens> ok, I'll make it disable the faulty mirror
[13:49] <nextgens> and I'll mail the owner once a day
[13:49] <toad_> hmmm
[13:49] <toad_> yeah but only if it's sure
[13:49] <toad_> and what if it disables all the mirrors?
[13:49] <boyash> good job
[13:49] <boyash> :)
[13:50] <nextgens> that's unlikely
[13:50] <nextgens> unless emu is unreachable itself
[13:50] <nextgens> in wich case we are done anyway
[13:51] <nextgens> toad_> http://pastebin.ca/268226
[13:51] <nextgens> toad_> that's the current script
[13:51] <nextgens> I'll build up the "to use" list from an other one
[13:51] <nextgens> hmm
[13:51] <nextgens> maybe I could increase the delay even
[13:52] <toad_> nextgens: so it has to be at least 15 minutes out of date?
[13:52] <nextgens> or check mirrors only once a day unless a new build has been released
[13:52] <nextgens> yes
[13:52] <toad_> that's okay...
[13:52] <toad_> well do we want them disabled due to a temporary network glitch?
[13:53] <nextgens> they would be re-enabled as soon as next build is released
[13:53] <nextgens> or the day after
[13:53] <nextgens> hmm
[13:53] <nextgens> on commit would be even better
[13:54] <nextgens> each time someone commit we queue a job waiting 15mins and then checking mirrors
[13:54] <nextgens> the problem could be a DoS if people commit too much
[13:54] <nextgens> too often even
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[14:11] <boyash> will freenet just keep caching and caching?
[14:11] <hramrach> Hello
[14:11] <hramrach> It looks like I am stuck with #994, the autoupdate does not work for me.
[14:13] <nextgens> hramrach> its a known issue
[14:13] <nextgens> you will have to update to a newer version by hand
[14:13] <hramrach> So I should just run the scritp?
[14:13] <nextgens> the updater has been fixed upstream
[14:13] <nextgens> yes
[14:13] <hramrach> ok, thanks
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[14:24] <boyash> what's this option to override freenet FCP host in frost?
[14:25] <nextgens> sorry
[14:25] <nextgens> FreenetLogBot> shutup!
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[14:29] <cyberdo> ;o)
[14:29] <cyberdo> how often should I sync? is every 5 min enough?
[14:30] <nextgens> well, the script is going to run once every 15 mins
[14:30] <cyberdo> ok.. good enough
[14:30] <nextgens> and will check whether the mirror isn't more than 30 mins old
[14:30] <nextgens> it will mail the owner once a day
[14:30] <cyberdo> on the other hand... there's no harm in running it more often
[14:30] <nextgens> indeed ;)
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[14:32] <boyash> how do i download stuff in frost?
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[14:33] <nextgens> FreenetLogBot is gonna tell us when it disables one mirror (once) and when it re-enables it
[14:36] <nextgens> I'm looking for the mail address used by the owner of http://freenetmirror.ath.cx
[14:36] <nextgens> any hint ?
[14:37] <nextgens> sandos> is that you ?
[14:41] <sopues> is what me? ;)
[14:41] <sopues> I am sandos
[14:41] <sopues> aha, yes thats me
[14:41] <nextgens> are you the owner of the mirror ?
[14:41] <nextgens> ok :)
[14:41] <sopues> yes
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[14:44] <cyberdo> changed from 5 to 2 min. between rsyncs
[14:45] <boyash> what's happening with the winston smith project? is it up and running?
[14:45] <boyash> i can't seem to connect to them
[14:46] <cyberdo> https://www.winstonsmith.info/pws/index-e.html worksforme
[14:48] <nextgens> works for me too
[14:48] <nextgens> but their documentation is *old*
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[14:58] <toad_> nextgens: guy on frost has 1472 MTU
[14:58] <nextgens> I've seen it yes
[14:58] <toad_> nextgens: apparently this is common on PPPoE even though 1492 is more common?
[14:58] * toad_ cuts the limit from 1476-28 to 1472-28 anyway, quick fix
[14:59] <nextgens> I do use 1472 too
[14:59] <toad_> nextgens: on PPPoE?
[14:59] <nextgens> PPPoA
[14:59] <toad_> what's PPPoA?
[14:59] <nextgens> PPP over ATM
[14:59] <toad_> ooooh
[14:59] <toad_> that might be why yeah
[15:00] <toad_> nextgens: have you reconsidered my suggestion to make it configurable and exchange it on connect?
[15:01] <toad_> nextgens: 5 seconds isn't very generous for freenet mirrors
[15:01] <nextgens> ATM features "real" congestion control and QoS possibilities
[15:01] <nextgens> so it's widespread on ISP networks
[15:01] <toad_> there was a big hype about it a few years ago, because nobody had figured out how to route IP quickly
[15:01] <nextgens> and in France, most DSLAMs/BASes are negociating pppoa sessions
[15:01] <toad_> but it all petered out
[15:02] <nextgens> toad_> that's the connection timeout
[15:02] <nextgens> in fact it's 5sec for DNS resolution, 5 for TCP connect and 5 before we receive the data
[15:03] <nextgens> but it's not cumulative
[15:03] * nextgens thinks that's enough
[15:03] <CIA-14> toad * r11232 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/io/comm/UdpSocketManager.java: Assume MTU of 1472 (not 1476).
[15:04] <nextgens> toad_> I don't see the point of making it configurable
[15:04] <nextgens> as most of our packets will be shorter anyway
[15:04] <nextgens> and most people won't change it
[15:05] <toad_> nextgens: so we don't have to reduce it every time a user comes along on a wierd link
[15:05] <nextgens> we can't be sure of what happens on the whole path anyway
[15:05] <nextgens> we can avoid unnecessary fragmentation on our end ... but that's all
[15:05] <Zothar_Work> I agree with making it configurable in advanced mode
[15:06] * nextgens thinks that too much parameters are going to make the interface overkill
[15:06] <nextgens> and unecessary complex
[15:06] <Zothar_Work> well, if we could do path discovery, it wouldn't matter
[15:06] <nextgens> unecessarily maybe even
[15:06] <nextgens> we have to assume we can't
[15:07] <Zothar_Work> so then we just assume an MTU of 1000 and be done with it?
[15:07] <nextgens> as most of the time a firwall will block it
[15:07] <nextgens> even 1000 might be to big on ISDN links :)
[15:07] <nextgens> +o
[15:07] <nextgens> 768 :p
[15:08] <sopues> ipv6 will be much better. Just reqire ipv6 support ;)
[15:08] <sopues> I think the minimum allowed mtu is a bit higher on ipv6 atleast, and no fragmentation allowed
[15:08] <Zothar_Work> yeah, but obviously if it's not configurable and we can't do path MTU discovery, then we've just gotta pick a number and stick with it; changing for PPPoA is probably logical
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[15:10] <toad_> Zothar_Work: 1000 is too small to be useful
[15:10] <Zothar_Work> toad_: I was exagerating to make a point :)
[15:10] <toad_> packetTransmit's are 1024 bytes payload on their own, and we still have headers etc...
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[15:11] <toad_> nextgens: why does a too high maximum packet size result in low payload % ?
[15:11] <toad_> nextgens: is it the case that most of the internet drops fragments? or that one of the peers of the node does?
[15:12] <nextgens> the problem is that a fragmented "message" has at least twice more chances to get dropped somewhere on the path
[15:12] <nextgens> and that the whole message will be re-sent
[15:13] <nextgens> insteed of just the corrupt packet
[15:13] <Zothar_Work> perhaps we need a stat for tracking packet resends so we can get an idea of packet loss; we could do it per peer and everything :)
[15:13] <nextgens> hence we do handle fragmentation ourselves
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[15:13] <nextgens> might be a good idea
[15:14] <nextgens> Zothar_Work> btw, I had a question :
[15:14] <nextgens> regarding the UnclaimedFIFO : why not using a LinkedHashMap insteed ?
[15:14] <nextgens> or whatever it's called in java
[15:16] <Zothar_Work> nextgens: don't know/don't remember; it's probably because I didn't realize there was a better way; IIRC, I looked at a linked list version of a hashmap or something like that and it wouldn't help; bottom line, I don't remember; of course, I didn't change _unclaimed itself, so I assume you're talking about the stats stuff
[15:17] <nextgens> _unclaimed is a LinkedList
[15:18] <Zothar_Work> I could maybe do things differently if I looked at it again, but that's what worked first when I was doing it a few weeks ago after reading the various Java docs for things that looked like they might do what I wanted
[15:20] <nextgens> according to profiling data, IOStatisticCollector is still damn slow
[15:20] <nextgens> it's hooked on the packetSender loop
[15:21] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11233 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/io/comm/IOStatisticCollector.java: Use a LinkedHashMap on IOStatisticCollector as we spend most of our time iterating it
[15:29] <boyash> how can i see how much space is cached on my computer?
[15:29] <Zothar_Work> boyash: current cache size in on the /stats/ page if that's what you're asking
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[15:36] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11234 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/io/comm/UdpSocketManager.java: Remove unnecessary synchronization on USM... and force LinkedLists to be final
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[16:05] <Zothar_Work> Possible bug report on #freenet-refs: NoOne9> why can't I set my input bandwidth restriction... it keeps going back to -1?
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[16:08] <nextgens> Zothar_Work> what he is setting it to ?
[16:09] <nextgens> what is he setting it to ?
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[16:13] <NoOne9> Im the one having problems setting my bandwidth limits... for a T1, what should I be setting for the bytes for setting in the input box?
[16:14] <NoOne9> it appears no matter what I do, the input bandwidth gets set back to -1 (4X output)
[16:14] <Zothar_Work> nextgens: I assume, based on our conversation before that NoOne9 is attempting to set it to 100K
[16:14] <nextgens> that ought to work
[16:14] <nextgens> any errors in logfiles ?
[16:15] <nextgens> or is it silently resetting it ?
[16:16] <NoOne9> it appears to be silently resetting it
[16:16] <nextgens> I dunno what to say except worksforme(tm)
[16:16] <NoOne9> I don't see any errors in the logs
[16:16] <nextgens> try increasing the loglevel ...
[16:16] <nextgens> and have a look to logs/freenet-latest.log
[16:16] <nextgens> and wrapper.log
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[16:18] <NoOne9> its strange, it appears to hold it until I go in the statistics page
[16:19] <NoOne9> which doesn't make any sense
[16:19] <Zothar_Work> NoOne9: how are you typing it? 100K, 100k 100000?
[16:19] <Zothar_Work> what about the /darknet/ page
[16:19] <Zothar_Work> ?
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[16:21] <NoOne9> 100K ...100k... 10K 10k ... 100000 all do the same thing
[16:21] <NoOne9> darknet page shows the same ... 4x output
[16:22] <NoOne9> what is strange is if I change it, and just go to the configuration page... it shows it as 100/100 ... its only after I goto the darknet or statistics page that it resets on tha config screen as well
[16:26] <Zothar_Work> hmm; works for me too; I guess try increasing the log level; dont' know Java do you? :)
[16:27] <nextgens> NoOne9> ok, I've managed to reproduce it
[16:27] <nextgens> :)
[16:27] <nextgens> Zothar_Work> you can change it ... go to the statisticalToadlet ... and then back to the config. one ... and it has changed
[16:29] <Zothar_Work> nextgens: ah, yes; it's the reloading of the config page that changes it apparently; anyway, should be an easy fix for you; I'd look, but I"m at work :(
[16:29] <NoOne9> well thats good, anything I can do in the meantime to set these limits?
[16:29] <nextgens> NoOne9> set it and don't visit the /stats/ page :)
[16:30] <NoOne9> thanks, since it does it on the darknet page too ... that isn't much help :)
[16:30] <NoOne9> if I go back to basic mode will it stay set?
[16:30] <nextgens> wait for me to fix it then :)
[16:30] <NoOne9> go speed racer, go!
[16:31] <nextgens> I don't have any testnode here
[16:33] <nextgens> NoOne9> I've just commited
[16:33] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11235 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/Node.java: Fix the "can't change the default value of inputLimitDefault" bug
[16:33] <nextgens> NoOne9> grab r11235 when it's built
[16:33] <nextgens> it ought to fix the bug
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[16:34] <nextgens> FreenetLogBot> c'mon
[16:35] <nextgens> NoOne9> go into your freenet directory and using a command prompt, issue : "update testing"
[16:35] <nextgens> NoOne9> that ought to fix your bug
[16:35] <nextgens> or wait for #1007 to be released
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[16:37] <nextgens> NoOne9> and keep us posted please :)
[16:39] <NoOne9> k
[16:39] <nextgens> toad_> EntryPoint has released a librarian index; he seems to plan to maintain it : USK@RG18X0wfOZrQ-5axO~45moiclaFtqT7ANllg165Zjpg,qTu5gqJLwC5LYyomwTUQWPergIEa3WZIPPd5qd~R5Nk,AQABAAE/ENTRY.POINT/48/librarian.idx
[16:39] <nextgens> A new Librarian index is now available, exported from the ENTRY.POINT database.
[16:39] <nextgens> Updated on December 5th, indexing 72028 words on 1522 pages.
[16:40] <nextgens> toad_> it might be a good idea to provide it as a dropdown option on the librarian index we bundle
[16:42] <nextgens> after me, volodya is the new target of frost morrons
[16:42] <nextgens> :/
[16:52] <toad_> nextgens: cool
[16:53] <toad_> i mean re index
[16:53] <toad_> volodya's been a target for a long time
[16:53] <toad_> even longer than you perhaps
[16:54] <toad_> nextgens: what should we do with the indexes? i think the best thing is to provide support for multiple indexes, and some way to pass URLs transparently to the plugin...
[16:54] <nextgens> toad_> sure, but by the flooding guy I meant
[16:54] <nextgens> indeed
[16:54] <nextgens> I thought about a drop-down menu
[16:55] <nextgens> and some radio buttons to switch in between "provided link" and "drop down menu"
[16:55] <nextgens> you see what I mean ?
[16:56] * nextgens is happy with r11233
[16:56] <nextgens> it seems to have *really* helped
[16:56] <nextgens> at least on my profiling node
[16:57] <toad_> nextgens: any idea why throttle without backoff works better than just throttle in simulations?
[16:58] <nextgens> no
[16:58] <nextgens> I haven't looked at it yet
[16:58] * nextgens lacks time
[16:58] <toad_> ok
[16:59] <toad_> ok
[16:59] <toad_> i will file bugs about the Librarian thingy
[16:59] <toad_> also I think we should support (filter) RSS properly as soon as possible
[16:59] <toad_> freenetwatch wants to have an RSS feed
[17:00] <nextgens> they are already tickets for it iirc
[17:00] <nextgens> but updating the default url might be sensible
[17:00] <toad_> yeah
[17:00] <toad_> we need to bump it up to the top of the queue anyway
[17:00] <nextgens> that would encourage the entry point guy to keep on working on it
[17:01] <toad_> and include the new url
[17:01] <toad_> well, is the old USK@ maintained?
[17:01] <toad_> i don't think so
[17:01] <nextgens> imo that's far more usefull to fix/do those client level things before making the content-filter ie safe
[17:01] <toad_> really we need them to be addable from the site
[17:02] <nextgens> as dbkr pointed out, IE support will be a pain, even for CSS
[17:02] <nextgens> toad_> and provide a "themable" interface as indicia asked
[17:02] <toad_> will it?
[17:02] <nextgens> so that users can get back to the referer
[17:02] <toad_> i'm not saying we should fully support IE, i'm saying we should make it not trash your anonymity
[17:03] <nextgens> we are already displaying a warning
[17:03] <toad_> and people don't read
[17:03] <nextgens> I don't care ;)
[17:04] <nextgens> well, we can't prevent stupid users from their stupidity
[17:04] <toad_> "secure by default"
[17:04] <nextgens> then remove the warning and prevent them from accessing fproxy at all
[17:04] <nextgens> that's the secure by default behaviour
[17:05] <toad_> yes but that's also user hostile by default
[17:05] <toad_> it will take less time to implement the IE plaintext filter than to endlessly discuss it, probably
[17:05] <nextgens> security and "userfriendly" don't fit together
[17:05] <nextgens> indeed
[17:06] <nextgens> so if you're convinced, do it
[17:06] <nextgens> but to me, that's wasted time :)
[17:06] <nextgens> no offence meant
[17:06] <toad_> I've seen a paper arguing that secure and user friendly aren't necessarily in conflict
[17:06] <toad_> I agree with it in general; sometimes you have to sacrifice user friendly for secure, but by no means always
[17:12] <DebolazX> Doing things right will often achieve both. :-)
[17:12] <toad_> right
[17:12] <toad_> not always, but often
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[17:32] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11236 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/DarknetConnectionsToadlet.java: Some untested code allowing column sorting to be inverted
[17:33] <Zothar_Work> nextgens: make sorting by version a numerical rather than string sort?
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[17:33] <nextgens> Zothar_Work> do it if you want :)
[17:34] <nextgens> imo it's faster to sort strings than to convert them to int and then compare
[17:34] <Zothar_Work> I figured you'd say that, but I mentioned it since I figured you were already there in the code :)
[17:34] <nextgens> as it will compare char by char
[17:34] <Zothar_Work> true, and it'll only matter when we are in a number of digits transistion as we are now
[17:35] <nextgens> hence it doesn't worth doing imo :)
[17:35] <Zothar_Work> remember the last good build changes before releasing 1007 we talked about a few days ago :)
[17:37] <nextgens> will to it now
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[17:39] <toad_> are you releasing 1007?
[17:40] <nextgens> no
[17:40] <toad_> ok
[17:40] <nextgens> not yet at least
[17:40] * toad_ may tomorrow
[17:40] <toad_> bbiab
[17:40] <nextgens> I up lastGoodBuild before I forget about it
[17:40] <toad_> hmm?
[17:41] <toad_> why?
[17:41] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11237 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/Version.java: We need to up oldLastGoodBuild otherwise node keep on talking with pre-1000 ones
[17:41] <nextgens> because we had an inconstency in the versionning
[17:41] <toad_> ummm, so?
[17:41] <toad_> what inconsistency?
[17:41] <nextgens> some builds do require post 996 iirc
[17:41] <nextgens> and newer do require only post 994
[17:41] <Zothar_Work> toad_: we skipped a mandatory that was set for December 1st when we released a new one with a mandatory for December 13/15 (I forget)
[17:42] <toad_> ah yeah
[17:42] <toad_> so what?
[17:42] * Zothar_Work wants pings to go away :)
[17:42] <nextgens> some people like hobx are still running 994
[17:42] <Zothar_Work> (the ones I removed anyway)
[17:43] <toad_> Zothar_Work: don't remove them until no compatible node is sending them
[17:43] * nextgens wonders if his patch will work on the first try
[17:43] <toad_> ok, i gtg
[17:43] <toad_> will be here all day tomorrow :)
[17:43] <toad_> (BW business tonight)
[17:43] <toad_> cya
[17:43] <Zothar_Work> toad_: well, what I mean is that I want to stop receiving them from old nodes; I agree with you on removing them entirely from the code, though I would need your go ahead first since some testing code appears to use them as well
[17:44] <nextgens> ok, my code doesn't work :)
[17:45] <nextgens> is it "inversed" or "inverted" ?
[17:45] <nextgens> will use reversed
[17:46] <nextgens> reversed order : that sounds better
[17:50] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11238 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/DarknetConnectionsToadlet.java: Fix the wording, inverse the logic : it might work now
[17:51] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11239 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/DarknetConnectionsToadlet.java: doh!
[17:53] <Zothar_Work> just noticed; anybody else not gotten any @cvs since yesterday?
[17:54] <nextgens> hmmm,
[17:54] <nextgens> no
[17:55] <nextgens> maybe I should have a look at that too
[17:55] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11240 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/DarknetConnectionsToadlet.java: doh2
[18:01] <nextgens> the mails aren't on the queue!
[18:03] <Zothar_Work> yuck
[18:14] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11241 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/DarknetConnectionsToadlet.java: More work on the comparator
[18:15] <nextgens> FreenetLogBot> c'mon
[18:16] <nextgens> FreenetLogBot> c'mon
[18:17] <NoOne9> since you guys are most likely much more established then the ref channel, I am on a T1 and want to run a dedicated node.. and new a few good high-speed established refs
[18:18] <nextgens> Zothar_Work> what's the first missing version ?
[18:19] <nextgens> Zothar_Work> the first missing svn number I meant
[18:19] <Zothar_Work> nextgens: the last one I have is r11228, so I would assume it's r11229, but maybe that was for a different list
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[18:33] * nextgens builds commit messages
[18:35] <nextgens> Zothar_Work> are you receiving mails ?
[18:36] <nextgens> from @cvs I mean
[18:36] * Zothar_Work checks
[18:36] <Zothar_Work> I've gotten two more so far, yes
[18:36] <Zothar_Work> thanks
[18:37] <nextgens> cool
[18:37] * nextgens hopes he fixed the problem
[18:38] <Zothar_Work> 'course neither of them would normally go to @cvs, but details... :)
[18:38] <nextgens> hmm ?
[18:39] <Zothar_Work> hmm, in fact I haven't gotten anything but those two and they were minutes ago...
[18:39] <nextgens> Zothar_Work> have I broken something ?
[18:39] <Zothar_Work> you might have
[18:39] <nextgens> :'(
[18:40] <Zothar_Work> OK, just got another, so now I've got two Thaw and one pyFreenet: r11229, r11231 and r11230
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[18:40] <nextgens> http://archives.freenetproject.org/message/20061205.183315.88dd2872.en.html
[18:42] <Zothar_Work> hmm
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[18:43] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11242 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/DarknetConnectionsToadlet.java: Fix the ?sortBy=status comparator
[18:43] * nextgens commits to see whether it's fixed
[18:43] <Zothar_Work> I got that one
[18:45] <nextgens> FreenetLogBot> c'mon
[18:49] <Zothar_Work> Uh oh, emu been upgraded or something 'cause I'm also getting an error at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/trunk/apps/pyFreenet/
[18:52] <nextgens> hmm
[18:52] <nextgens> yes I've updated emu
[18:52] <nextgens> hence @cvs was broken
[18:53] <Zothar_Work> new SVN version? :)
[18:53] <nextgens> what's debian sarge build number ?
[18:54] <nextgens> 3.1 ?
[18:54] <nextgens> or is it etch ?
[18:54] <Zothar_Work> hmm
[18:54] <greycat> sarge is 3.1; etch will be 4.0
[18:54] <Zothar_Work> right
[18:55] <nextgens> :<
[18:55] <nextgens> who's root access on emu ?
[18:56] <nextgens> it's currently using something in between sarge and etch :<<
[18:56] <Zothar_Work> nextgens: not I
[18:57] <nextgens> anyway, I don't have time to fix it
[19:02] <Zothar_Work> bummer
[19:03] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11243 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/DarknetConnectionsToadlet.java: Still improving the Array comparator
[19:04] * nextgens gives up for tonight
[19:09] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11244 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/DarknetConnectionsToadlet.java: I finally got it working \o/ ... @cvs is fixed too
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[19:50] <CIA-14> jflesch * r11245 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/plugins/index/SearchBar.java: Change search bar layout
[19:56] <CIA-14> jflesch * r11246 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/plugins/ (Hsqldb.java index/IndexManagementHelper.java): Remove lock on database writing to avoid deadlock
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[20:47] <CIA-14> jflesch * r11248 /trunk/apps/Thaw/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Update the icons
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[21:13] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11249 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/core/Main.java: Tweak Thaw's versionning system so that emu's autobuild script can parse it more easily
[21:18] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11250 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/core/Main.java: in fact we might need to access them somewhere else
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[21:29] <CIA-14> jflesch * r11251 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Change toolbar buttons state according to the selected item in the index tree
[21:30] <Zothar_Work> nextgens: BTW, you brow Thaw's autobuild with r11250
[21:30] <Zothar_Work> nextgens: maybe not
[21:30] <Zothar_Work> s/brow/broke/ anyway
[21:33] <drduck> Seeking node refs. My ref is http://dark-code.bulix.org/ufntwj-25261?raw
[21:33] <Zothar_Work> drduck: ref exchange is on #freenet-refs
[21:33] <drduck> oops
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[22:08] <_ph00> yeah, yeah... "man with four balls can't walk, so baseball is wrong"... I think he can walk after all (slowly) bu he definitely can't run
[22:09] <_ph00> </OT>
[22:09] <_ph00> and, cya
[23:04] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11252 /tags/Thaw/: Create a tag directory for thaw's purpose
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[23:24] <CIA-14> jflesch * r11253 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/fcp/ (5 files): Locks between transferts should be more efficients (thanks to nextgens)
[23:33] <CIA-14> jflesch * r11254 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Fix key changing dialog (+2 NPE)
[23:40] <CIA-14> jflesch * r11255 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/plugins/index/Index.java: Fix getLinkList()
[23:44] <CIA-14> jflesch * r11256 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/core/Main.java: Changing version
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[23:55] <CIA-14> jflesch * r11257 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/core/Main.java: Fix VERSION constant
[23:56] <CIA-14> jflesch * r11258 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/core/Main.java: Ref-fix VERSION constant
[23:59] <CIA-14> jflesch * r11259 /tags/Thaw/0.6/: 0.6 beta
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