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[0:02] <MineHaunter> obviously it won't work if key is SSK or if it was inserted with a complex manifest
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[0:26] <toad_> good night
[0:26] <toad_> nextgens: sorry
[0:26] <toad_> nextgens: see you on monday
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[1:56] <nikki28> Hi
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[8:39] <RetroFred> hello
[8:40] <RetroFred> am I alone ?
[8:41] <anonymouse> nope, big brother is always watching
[8:41] <anonymouse> but he knows you masturbate, so it's not like a secret. you know, go for it.
[8:41] <anonymouse> j/k
[8:41] <RetroFred> ahem
[8:42] <RetroFred> I'm new and I search nodes
[8:42] <anonymouse> you want #freenet-refs
[8:42] <anonymouse> if you try pasting ref in here the bot will kick you
[8:42] <RetroFred> ok, thanks
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[9:33] <V-> anybody have node ref?
[9:33] <V-> like to exchange?
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[10:31] <_ph00> anonymouse; you around?
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[11:53] <nextgens> CHK@Ld2cyio0B0SvDlBIXrSIFy2~tk7DI6DTwAre3~5Apmw,lZaUI4k8EO-mZ1NVdWXJ8M0-KltJikJy4AewRO1DvIw,AAEC--8/librarian.idx
[11:53] <nextgens> cool
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[14:21] <CIA-14> jflesch * r11209 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/plugins/index/ (Link.java UnknownIndexList.java): Fix key comparaison problem in SQL query
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[14:31] <CIA-14> jflesch * r11210 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/fcp/FCPQueueManager.java: Should fix bug 917
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[14:40] <CIA-14> jflesch * r11211 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/plugins/index/File.java: Should fix bug 883
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[14:51] <CIA-14> jflesch * r11212 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/fcp/FCPQueueManager.java: Should really fix bug 883 this time
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[15:01] <CIA-14> jflesch * r11213 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/plugins/index/IndexManagementHelper.java: Add a security when creating an index
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[15:51] <CIA-14> zothar * r11214 /trunk/apps/pyFreenet/ (minibot.py refbot.py): refbot: Joining bots are now told about existing bots in the channel. Sorted some functions and imports.
[15:52] <CIA-14> zothar * r11215 /trunk/apps/pyFreenet/refbot.py: refbot: Tweak how long an existing bot will wait before introducing itself to a channel joining bot.
[16:01] <CIA-14> zothar * r11216 /trunk/apps/pyFreenet/minibot.py: refbot: Tweak sending rate limiter for the bot to be less likely to be kicked for flooding.
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[16:15] <fasta> I don't suppose this should be possible, right?: Node To Node Text Message -1
[16:23] <sleon> fasta: why not?
[16:24] <fasta> sleon: because I expect only positive message numbers.
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[16:41] <Zothar> nextgens: Considering http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/Version.java?rev=11107&r1=11091&r2=11107 perhaps Version.java should be editted such that oldLastGoodBuild = 998 in the next build?
[16:42] <nextgens> Zothar> yes, good idea
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[17:04] <sleon> fasta: i see :|
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[17:25] <Zothar> I've just fixed TPI in case anybody cares
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[17:30] <sandos> good
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[17:42] <sleon> Zothar: thx
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[18:07] <|Ricky_0|> hi @all
[18:07] <|Ricky_0|> My node has been running for a while now - and the upstream limiits are never reached - but I appear as backed off to others.
[18:07] <|Ricky_0|> sun java 1.4.2
[18:07] <|Ricky_0|> cpu 98% idle
[18:07] <|Ricky_0|> mem for java 512M
[18:07] <|Ricky_0|> store nearly empty
[18:07] <|Ricky_0|> upstream 35k - but only 8k are used
[18:07] <|Ricky_0|> peers connected: 8
[18:07] <|Ricky_0|> any ideas?
[18:08] <Zothar> pInstantReject?
[18:14] <CIA-14> jflesch * r11217 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/ (core/Logger.java plugins/index/Index.java): Fix NPE when parsing an incomplete index
[18:16] <|Ricky_0|> Zothar: mmt pse
[18:17] <|Ricky_0|> Zothar: pInstantReject: 0,0%
[18:18] <fasta> What does this mean? 100.0% 84/4096/ForwardRejectedOverload5
[18:19] <Zothar> If your peers are backed off of you and your pInstantReject is 0.0%, then they're likely timing out stuff routed to you; are others reporting that they see their node backed off from you or are you seeing your node backed off from others? (i.e who's node is mentioning backoff?)
[18:20] <|Ricky_0|> Zothar: I seem the connected - and fasta is seeing my node as backed off
[18:20] <Zothar> Backed off 100.0% of the time, have 84 seconds until trying to route something to them, this backoff period is 4096 seconds, we last backed off because they rejected our routed message
[18:21] <|Ricky_0|> my statistics:
[18:21] <|Ricky_0|> * bwlimitDelayTime: 0ms
[18:21] <|Ricky_0|> * nodeAveragePingTime: 514ms
[18:21] <|Ricky_0|> * networkSizeEstimateSession: 266 nodes
[18:21] <|Ricky_0|> * avrConnPeersPerNode: 7,106667 peers
[18:21] <|Ricky_0|> * nodeUptime: 1h24m
[18:21] <|Ricky_0|> * routingMissDistance: 0,0769
[18:21] <|Ricky_0|> * backedOffPercent: 41,9%
[18:21] <Zothar> so ricky has a pInstantReject of 0.0% and ricky's peer, fasta, is backed off of ricky?
[18:21] <|Ricky_0|> * pInstantReject: 0,2%
[18:21] <|Ricky_0|> * unclaimedFIFOSize: 743
[18:21] <fasta> And what is a reason for rejection?
[18:21] <fasta> Zothar: yes
[18:22] <Zothar> fasta: you'd have to read the source to find out the exact reason, but that peer thought it was overloaded and rejected; I believe the reason code is based on where your node was when the peer rejected
[18:22] <Zothar> (where as in what was being attempted)
[18:22] <fasta> Zothar: ok
[18:23] <|Ricky_0|> Zothar: so any idea why my bandwidth is not used? - even while uploading and having at least 8 nodes in state connected?
[18:24] <Zothar> well, ~1h8m ago, ricky told fast to wait awhile; because of how much ricky had been backing off at the time, it decided to wait 1h8m
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[18:25] <fasta> It's the same mechanism as used in Ethernet, I think. ("exponential back off")
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[18:26] <Aachen> hi
[18:26] <Aachen> how i uninstall freenet?
[18:26] <Zothar> ricky: bandwith usage depends on a lot of factors; not using all of your available bandwidth is generally normal with Freenet 0.7 at the moment; the devs are working on simulations to look at methods that would best be used to do load balancing/load limiting; once the best way is determined, that method will be implemented and bandwidth usage will be better maximized (though not necessarily...
[18:26] <Zothar> ...maxed out)
[18:27] <|Ricky_0|> Zothar: ok - then I'll wait again - since I had a long pause on freenet ;-)
[18:27] <Zothar> Aachen: on Windows? If you've tried the uninstaller that came with Freenet, you may have to look up how to do it manually, whick I forget the location of ATM; it's probably in the wiki somewhere
[18:28] <Aachen> Zothar yes in windows, i search in wiki, but not find anything, google show me unhappy users that can't uninstall freenet
[18:29] <Zothar> Aachen: it has been a problem, yes; mine didn't actually get correctly uninstalled several months ago either when I moved it to Linux; I basically stopped the service, set the service to disabled and deleted the directory
[18:31] <|Ricky_0|> Aachen: you can stop the service, delete the directory and remove the service from your registry
[18:31] <Aachen> ok... i will do that, its quite 'brutal'
[18:32] <Aachen> thanks zothar and Ricky
[18:32] <|Ricky_0|> Aachen: wait a moment - I just search for the path in the registry
[18:33] <Aachen> ok
[18:33] <Aachen> you stop me with mouse in close button :)
[18:34] <|Ricky_0|> Aachen: mnt pse - regedit is searching
[18:35] <|Ricky_0|> Aachen: HKLM/SYSTEM/CURRENTCONTROLSET/SERVICES/...
[18:36] <|Ricky_0|> Aachen: there you find the service entries
[18:36] <Aachen> |Ricky_0|: ok, thank you very much, i hope try freenet again someday...
[18:37] <|Ricky_0|> Aachen: try freenet on linux - much better and more stable ;-)
[18:37] <Aachen> maybe I try it in my ubuntu ;)
[18:37] <Aachen> bye
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[18:37] <|Ricky_0|> Aachen: Zothar also switched - a few months ago he didn't even think of it ;-)
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[18:46] <MineHaunter> |Ricky_0|: my node running on winxp seems ok... why do you think running it on linux makes the node more stable?
[18:46] <MineHaunter> |Ricky_0|: maybe some bugs of the windows jvm?
[18:47] <fasta> I am not sure about "stability". I just know it's less of a hassle to run anything on Linux.
[18:48] <MineHaunter> dunno... I run my node on xp and never had a problem (well, I had a few problem, but they were related to freenet code and platform independent)
[18:49] <MineHaunter> maybe it's the old "linux is better at anything" story :P
[18:50] <MineHaunter> but I think that if software runs on a vm it doesn't really matter on which platform the vm is run, as long as the vm is well written and does not have great bugs
[18:53] <Zothar> I switched simply because my Linux box is run like a server (long uptimes) and my Windows box is run like a workstation (running games, reboots for OS updates/installing games, etc.)
[18:54] <fasta> MineHaunter: I agree, unless the platform really really sucks.
[18:57] <MineHaunter> which is not the case of windows (we are referring to the kernel, not to IE or media player or msoffice, aren't we?)
[18:57] <MineHaunter> bbiab
[18:57] <fasta> MineHaunter: I also agree with that.
[18:58] <|Ricky_0|> MineHaunter: sri, was afk for a few minutes
[19:00] <|Ricky_0|> MineHaunter: I like linux, cause it's free and has much less useless tasks running in the background. I had to decide to run in on my linux box or on a server - my client is rebooted to often. So where would you install freenet then?
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[19:01] <|Ricky_0|> fasta: since i started the monitor on the router: 2,3 MB traffic
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[19:02] <fasta> |Ricky_0|: up/down?
[19:02] <fasta> |Ricky_0|: total traffic can be seen in the web-interface, btw
[19:09] <|Ricky_0|> fasta: on my side sent: 2.6M rec 1.6M
[19:09] <|Ricky_0|> fasta: greetings to nl ;-)
[19:09] <fasta> |Ricky_0|: You restarted your node?
[19:09] <fasta> |Ricky_0|: Since my numbers are higher
[19:10] <fasta> |Ricky_0|: 8.29 MiB / 15.0 MiB
[19:10] <|Ricky_0|> fasta: no, i just started the logging four you ip as we talked about it
[19:10] <fasta> |Ricky_0|: the web-interface already shows it
[19:11] <|Ricky_0|> fasta: where is the page on the WI
[19:12] <fasta> |Ricky_0|: http://localhost:8888/darknet/
[19:12] <|Ricky_0|> ahhh - if found it - sri, i didn't scroll ;-)
[19:12] <|Ricky_0|> 11.4 MiB / 5.99 MiB on my side
[19:13] <|Ricky_0|> scrolling seems to be an essential feature
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[21:58] <_ph00_> is this new? or it's always been there and I never noticed?
[21:59] <_ph00_> I have a file called wrapper.log, a wrapper.log.1 and a wrapper.log.2. Is that normal?
[21:59] <_ph00_> and if not, what should I do?
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[22:00] <Zothar> it's normal; the wrapper rotates the logs after a certain file size is reached
[22:02] <_ph00> k
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[22:04] <_ph00> 9 disconnected peers...
[22:04] <_ph00> I usually have 2-3 disconnectde peers, not 9
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[22:05] <_ph00> I changed IP back and forth
[22:05] <_ph00> but I did that before, and it nevr got my peers any connection problem (not more than they ususally have)
[22:07] <_ph00> by 'changing IP' I mean my external IP: the one I have most of the time is not internet reachable (NAT with no port forwarding allowed) and the one I sometimes have for some hours every now and then *is* internet reachable
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[22:08] <_ph00> so switching to the latter IP should make connections easier for my peers... *if* they "knew" about my other possible IP.
[22:08] <Zothar> _ph00: doing any dyndns?
[22:09] <_ph00> I'm wondering whether I should get me one of those... I don't really know, for 20 hours a month
[22:09] <_ph00> anyways, if I did, shouls my peers re-add me with the dyndns'd ref?
[22:10] <_ph00> no dyndns curently, but Jstun is there
[22:10] <Zothar> your peers reach you by your most external IP anyway; is that one changing?
[22:11] <_ph00> it's only changing when I decide to...
[22:11] <_ph00> I mean
[22:11] <Zothar> well, if it changes at alll, dyndns could help
[22:11] <_ph00> yes
[22:12] <_ph00> but it only changes for less than one day a month, maybe lettin them be disconnected under that time is the 'least bad' thing; that was thye reasoning I did until now
[22:12] <_ph00> but
[22:12] <_ph00> now it looks like after changing back and forth, they still have *some* porblem reconnecting afterwards
[22:13] <_ph00> (if they aren't back on withing one hour or two, I think I'm gonna get a dyndns)
[22:13] <Zothar> dyndns can make that 5-10 minutes :)
[22:13] <_ph00> no biggie
[22:13] <_ph00> I have 20 connected peers anyways
[22:14] <_ph00> (29 total)
[22:14] <Zothar> well, no biggie for you anyway... :)
[22:14] <_ph00> yeah
[22:14] <_ph00> I assume I'm not their only peer either
[22:16] <_ph00> btw is the warning at 30 connected *only* a warning, or it's a real limit? can you have 31 connected?
[22:16] <_ph00> (I never had that much)
[22:17] <_ph00> hm... looks like the problem is not really the IP change...
[22:17] <_ph00> looking at the disconnection times
[22:17] <_ph00> looks like most of those disconnected peers were last connected before I booted windows to play a game
[22:18] <_ph00> then I went back to linux and started the node on the regular IP, but those node never connected
[22:18] <_ph00> 'never' since restart
[22:18] <Zothar> perhaps they're just being odd ATM then
[22:19] <_ph00> possible, yes
[22:19] <_ph00> but it's weird with 9 of them all the same time
[22:20] <_ph00> I guess I can only wait; if they stay down, then we'll see, but trying to fix a problem before even knowing whether there is any...
[22:20] <Zothar> well, it's only a 200% increase over your normal 2-3 :)
[22:20] <Zothar> ...yeah
[22:21] <_ph00> yah.
[22:21] <_ph00> I'll check that again tomorrow
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[23:15] <nextgens> ?hey tailchaser; long time no see
[23:17] <skyfixet_> http://pastebin.ca/266258
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[23:21] <tailchaser> hey nextgens, what's up?
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[23:24] <nextgens> tailchaser> nothing special ... I'm rather busy lately
[23:24] <nextgens> working on non-freenet related stuffs
[23:25] <tailchaser> same with me
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[23:31] <skyfixet_> http://pastebin.ca/raw/266270
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