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[0:00] * toad_ makes a patch...
[0:02] * mozillaman would much rather have a filter :)
[0:03] <mozillaman> Wait
[0:03] <mozillaman> Can the <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
[0:03] <mozillaman> Be at 0:0
[0:03] <mozillaman> and the <rss begin
[0:03] <mozillaman> at 0:513
[0:03] <mozillaman> ?
[0:09] <toad_> mozillaman: yes, <? and <! tags are allowed by the filter
[0:09] <toad_> and by the parser, if they happen to be valid
[0:10] <toad_> mozillaman: I filed a patch, maybe they'll apply it
[0:10] <toad_> :) :) :) :) :)
[0:10] <mozillaman> :)
[0:11] <toad_> we'd still need whitelist parsing of PNGs etc (but we should do that anyway), but we'd know for sure that if a flle has a PNG header it won't be detected as RSS
[0:11] <toad_> or any sort of header other than whitespace
[0:12] <toad_> yay he says he'll test t
[0:12] <toad_> it
[0:12] <toad_> cool
[0:14] <mozillaman> It'll be in trunk before you can blink
[0:14] <mozillaman> Who looked at it?
[0:14] * mozillaman hopes timeless
[0:14] <mozillaman> or bzr
[0:14] <mozillaman> Who who?
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[0:14] <mozillaman> Sayre :(
[0:15] <toad_> sayre
[0:15] <mozillaman> Ah well.
[0:15] <toad_> is that bad? :)
[0:15] <mozillaman> It was promising
[0:15] <toad_> so far he's been relatively helpful
[0:15] <mozillaman> Kiss your patch goodbye.
[0:15] <mozillaman> You need a review
[0:15] <toad_> he can rewrite it if he wants to ...
[0:15] <mozillaman> Let me nag a friend :)
[0:15] <mozillaman> no, no
[0:15] <toad_> i haven't actually tested it :)
[0:15] <mozillaman> review
[0:15] <mozillaman> sec
[0:16] <mozillaman> Have I mentioned I was an SpreadFirefox admin before the dumb-dumbs took it over? :)
[0:16] <toad_> no
[0:18] * toad_ bets it'll be rejected offhand because it doesn't build ...
[0:20] <mozillaman> Got 'em
[0:21] <mozillaman> toad_: :(
[0:21] <mozillaman> "there's no way I can take that and feel comfortable"
[0:21] <mozillaman> "2.0.0.2 if there are no issues"
[0:21] <mozillaman> I'm talking to sayrer now
[0:21] <toad_> well, obviously it should be tested
[0:21] <toad_> :)
[0:22] * mozillaman wonders if toad_ would do it
[0:23] <toad_> test it? sure
[0:24] <mozillaman> Test it, look at http://mozilla.org/quality if you need tips
[0:24] <mozillaman> when it's tested, put a note into the bug
[0:24] <toad_> should I post an apology? :)
[0:25] <mozillaman> Nah, a suscess report ;)
[0:25] <toad_> okay, building from CVS
[0:25] <toad_> well fetching CVS right now
[0:27] <toad_> mozillaman: time/space requirements of building firefox?
[0:28] <mozillaman> OK, sayrer will need to test anyway, he's the QA contact
[0:29] <mozillaman> You can help most by making alot of documentation on what the patch does
[0:29] <mozillaman> <sayrer> self: it's not clear to me what behavior is changed by this patch
[0:29] <mozillaman> <sayrer> self: so some links that behave differently with the patch applied would be helpful
[0:29] <toad_> right
[0:29] <toad_> i can do that, will do once i have compiled it and verified that it works
[0:29] <mozillaman> Also, testing it is helpful and improving the patch
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[0:32] <toad_> GTK2 = GTK 1.2? or is it different?
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[0:33] <mozillaman> Your bug needs to be onfirmed by a bug trianger before it can go any further
[0:33] <mozillaman> You're sure this bug is correct, and the error is reproducable?
[0:33] * mozillaman just happens to be a trianger
[0:34] <mozillaman> sayrer> self: so, the patch seems to do the opposite of the initial report
[0:34] * mozillaman loves contacts
[0:35] <toad_> mozillaman: orbit1 or orbit2?
[0:35] <mozillaman> Yipes, no clue
[0:35] <toad_> mozillaman: yeah, the patch doesn't do quite the same as the original bug report ...
[0:35] <toad_> it does help to deal with the same problem
[0:35] <mozillaman> Do you have a small testcase?
[0:35] * mozillaman confirms toad_'s bug
[0:36] <mozillaman> Yipes
[0:36] <mozillaman> Now you know my name
[0:36] <toad_> errrr...
[0:36] * mozillaman is afraid
[0:36] * mozillaman is very afraid
[0:36] <toad_> hmmm
[0:36] <toad_> did you read the report? :)
[0:36] <mozillaman> Of course
[0:36] <toad_> orbit or orbit2? or from source?
[0:36] <toad_> mozillaman: ok, the basic bug is that firefox detects RSS in far too many files
[0:37] <mozillaman> Yup
[0:37] <mozillaman> from source probably
[0:37] <toad_> mozillaman: in particular, while I accept that detecting it in text/plain may be inevitable, it also detects it in image/*
[0:37] <toad_> the patch deals with that problem - most of it anyway
[0:37] <mozillaman> toad, jump into irc.mozilla.org
[0:37] <toad_> once the patch is in, any file with a header which consists of more than whitespace or xml comments cannot possibly be matched
[0:37] <mozillaman> #developers channel
[0:37] <mozillaman> Please :)
[0:38] <toad_> mozillaman: orbit or orbit2 for build?
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[0:38] <mozillaman> No clue
[0:39] <mozillaman> Sorry
[0:39] <mozillaman> I just don't know :P
[0:39] <mozillaman> Now stop asking! ;)
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[0:56] <CIA-14> toad * r11190 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/filter/ (CSSReadFilter.java ContentFilter.java PNGFilter.java):
[0:56] <CIA-14> Initial PNG filter. Currently it just checks for a signature.
[0:56] <CIA-14> However this is enough to stop at least one attack, provided that my patch to firefox is (eventually) accepted.
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[2:16] <mozillaman_> Excellent
[2:16] * mozillaman_ thinks he's got the FNW RSS feed working again
[2:18] <mozillaman_> FProxy is /slow/
[2:19] <mozillaman_> http://127.0.0.1:8888/USK@jotJldLVFPDEnvRqfhBWsnXPQpOS~QrawxFjgsLZcFQ,xnNqE4Z~zMHmIUmqrA0oziUFSXNOAC7OhOOH4yhcBq4,AQABAAE/freenetwatch/43/feed.txt
[2:19] <toad_> have a look at the final resolution
[2:19] <mozillaman_> That one should be working
[2:19] <toad_> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362531
[2:19] <toad_> the bottom line is this:
[2:19] <toad_> we should check for signatures in images
[2:20] <toad_> we can add an invisible space, or re-encode as UTF16, any plain text documents that might be suspect
[2:20] <toad_> however, we only need to do this if they include a "<" before any other content
[2:20] <mozillaman_> The spacing sounds good to me
[2:20] <toad_> whitespace is theoretically and practically not allowed
[2:20] <toad_> so basically we only need to escape it if it starts with a <
[2:21] <mozillaman_> nodeAveragePingTime: 5025ms
[2:21] <mozillaman_> Unless, the tag is desired :S
[2:21] * mozillaman_ shrugs
[2:21] <toad_> having said that, if we want it to work in Internet Exploder we will have to do the html-encode trick
[2:22] <toad_> or at least re-encode to UTF16
[2:22] * mozillaman_ nods
[2:22] <mozillaman_> As
[2:22] <mozillaman_> To bad we can change the mini
[2:22] * toad_ wonders if that will save us on IE
[2:22] <toad_> probably not
[2:22] <mozillaman_> text/untrusted
[2:22] <mozillaman_> or something
[2:22] <toad_> hehe
[2:22] <mozillaman_> Verified
[2:22] <mozillaman_> http://127.0.0.1:8888/freenet:USK@jotJldLVFPDEnvRqfhBWsnXPQpOS~QrawxFjgsLZcFQ,xnNqE4Z~zMHmIUmqrA0oziUFSXNOAC7OhOOH4yhcBq4,AQABAAE/freenetwatch/43/feed.txt works
[2:22] * mozillaman_ is happy
[2:23] <mozillaman_> OK, all is well with the world
[2:23] <mozillaman_> Have a G'night
[2:23] <mozillaman_> We both seem to be in similar timezones
[2:23] <mozillaman_> So, I assume you'll be wantng to hit the sack too
[2:24] <toad_> :)
[2:24] <toad_> yeah
[2:24] <toad_> i'm just writing this up
[2:24] <toad_> on our side
[2:24] * mozillaman_ thinks FNW is the best designed, and most frequently updated freesite :P
[2:24] <mozillaman_> k
[2:24] * mozillaman_ loves having something to "tinker" with
[2:24] <mozillaman_> See you tomorrow or Monday
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[5:22] <Cheese> Hi
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[5:27] <_ph00> nodes 'vetx' and 'anonymouse2' are still on 999 and 994 respectively. I sent them n2ntm's at least a couple of times, but they didnt update, answer, or anything, so after another couple of days I decided to disable them.
[5:27] <_ph00> vext*
[5:28] <_ph00> I don't get it: why would you intall a node and keep it running 24/7 (those 2 do) and not even look at it once in a while for 10 days or more?
[5:30] <_ph00> so, my paranoin tinfoil-hat reaction was "assume they're malicious" and disable them, but I don't understand that anyway, not *even* if they actually were malicious; I don't get the point.
[5:30] <_ph00> ...noiD*
[5:32] <_ph00> malicious or not, the question is "why would anyone let a node run for weeks and not even check how it's doing once in a while?
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[9:25] <MineHaunter> on #freenet-refs: <apophis-eu> apophis.eu provides you a public Freenet-node: http://www.apophis.eu/freenet.php
[9:25] <MineHaunter> Public Freenet Gateways are evil
[9:25] <MineHaunter> he also stated he is logging eveything accessed through his gateway
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[9:26] <MineHaunter> he should not be allowed to advertise it on #freenet-refs as it is obviously a trap
[9:27] <_ph00> how so? what kinda trap?
[9:28] <_ph00> like some undercover dude?
[9:28] <_ph00> DoD nodes (or non-US equivalent?)
[9:28] <_ph00> or what?
[9:29] <MineHaunter> I don't think it's LEO or something... but we don't want to lure newbies onto sites where their activity will be logged, don't we?
[9:30] <MineHaunter> It's just the opposite of the Freenet Project philosophy
[9:30] <_ph00> and I think it should be allowed anyways, or we'll be doing the same thing that already happens on the 'regular' internet: censoring
[9:30] <_ph00> ...only, someone should tell those n00bs about the risks
[9:31] <MineHaunter> Yeah, but he is using a bot to advertise his gateway, so it's repeated over and over. Apart from being offtopic on -refs, you can't warn every new user of the risks
[9:32] <MineHaunter> And anyway, this channel and the others are for freenet support, not for "Freenet Public Gateway advertisement"
[9:33] <_ph00> "pub. gw ads" should be considered part of ref swapping
[9:33] <_ph00> (don't tell you-know-who
[9:33] <_ph00> :P
[9:33] <_ph00> or tell him, if you want that thing kicked out of -refs
[9:34] <MineHaunter> I understand the ref-exchange bot he's running, that should be fine. But I'd surely remove the gateway ad.
[9:35] <_ph00> well, you know who can be esaily put in a "should-I-ban-him" mood
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[10:05] * _ph00 was kicked from #freenet by nextgens
[10:05] <nextgens> hi
[10:09] <sleon> hi
[10:09] <sleon> nextgens: i have a question
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[10:10] <sleon> nextgens: what is again with tor accounts and #freenet-refs ? are they all banned?
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[10:11] <sleon> s/tor accounts/tor users/
[10:11] <nextgens> yes, they are banned
[10:11] <nextgens> because of abuses ...
[10:12] <nextgens> and because it's silly to swap node references using tor
[10:12] <nextgens> (as they contain an ip address ... it's just blowing up your "tor" coverage)
[10:29] <hjubal> nextgens: I agree with you talking about tor and node ref.. but why did you kick _ph00?
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[10:35] <nextgens> to comfort him in the idea that I'm a preemptive kicker/banner
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[10:36] <_ph00> you dickhead...
[10:36] <_ph00> :P
[10:36] <_ph00> you want us to raise some funds to hire you a hooker?
[10:36] <_ph00> :P
[10:38] <hjubal> _ph00: don't try to be kicked again!
[10:38] <_ph00> oh, come on...
[10:39] <_ph00> you shoudn't fear your chanops
[10:39] <_ph00> if you do, something is wrong
[10:39] <_ph00> either with you, the community
[10:39] <_ph00> (or the chanop....)
[10:39] <_ph00> :P
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[11:08] <IMCensored1> nextgens: the only problem im having ATM is update.cmd testing fails everytime... ive noticed other windows users with the same problem
[11:09] <nextgens> what do you mean the testing fails ?
[11:10] <nextgens> it downloads a new update.cmd everytime ?
[11:10] <IMCensored1> holdon ... i'll paste up what happens in a pastebin
[11:16] <IMCensored1> http://dark-code.bulix.org/n6y3eh-25030?raw
[11:17] <CIA-14> jflesch * r11191 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/plugins/IndexBrowser.java: Apparently, svn didn't see the key change
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[11:19] <IMCensored1> and hrmmm doing that downgraded me to 1005 from 1006
[11:20] <Jflesch> wooops, the key was already up-to-date .... but not my emails ....... :)
[11:23] <IMCensored1> i would say "update.cmd" itself works.. because up to now, using it for the latest stable has worked... but now i ran it and im still at build 1005 when i was at 1006 when it updated over freenet
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[11:25] <Laurel> i'm ready for my free speech!
[11:26] <_ph00> so start talking
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[11:26] <_ph00> (and hope no one hears...)
[11:27] <IMCensored1> let the clones begin...
[11:27] <nextgens> IMCensored1> please retry in 5 mins when mirrors have updated
[11:27] <nextgens> *shower time*
[11:27] <IMCensored1> alright
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[11:34] <IMCensored1> when i get some freetime.. imma go through update.cmd testing line by line w/ stub points and figure out why it feels to download a 0.byte freenet.jar and thing its complete...
[11:35] <IMCensored1> *think
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[12:00] <nextgens> IMCensored1> so, what's the status ? does it work now ?
[12:02] <IMCensored1> in the 5 minutes, freenet updated itself over the network...
[12:03] <IMCensored1> but to r11172
[12:03] <IMCensored1> is that the latest stable?
[12:05] <IMCensored1> from briefly looking at update.cmd line by line.. the only thing that i noticed right away that could be causeing it not to download the latest-testing is the fact that my freenet directory doesnt, nor have ever had a freenet-testing-latest.jar.url
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[12:54] <Nineus> can anybody point me to a place where i can read about the "backed-off" state of peers ?
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[13:00] <IMCensored1> Nineus: hold on
[13:02] <IMCensored1> http://wiki.freenetproject.org/InFrequentlyAskedQuestions
[13:04] <Nineus> thx
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[13:07] <Testor> location=0.20654387084384773
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[13:09] <Nineus> lol
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[13:13] <Apophis2> Oh I love it :) The first day back and already the first discussions about common sense...
[13:13] <Apophis2> Freenet is attracting paranoids...
[13:13] <makinlok> Apophis2 no. People just don't like to be stalked (in general)
[13:13] <Apophis2> I thought its a childporn paradise but its a psychological drama about Paranoia :)
[13:14] <Apophis2> nonono... the thing is that is every few months the same discussions
[13:14] <MineHaunter> Apophis2: if freenet disgust you to this point, why are you still there?
[13:14] <Apophis2> I like Ians initial ideas
[13:15] <Apophis2> And because the devels need someone not agreeing with them ;) I am the advocatus diabolus here
[13:15] <MineHaunter> No, you're just a troll.
[13:15] <MineHaunter> :P
[13:15] <Apophis2> You are free to think so
[13:16] <Apophis2> But it doesnt help your point :)
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[13:16] <MineHaunter> Yeah, I guess so
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[13:18] <Apophis2> The intersting thing is how restrictive some people using freenet wanna be
[13:19] <Apophis2> kicking people like nextgens does is only one thing, the forcing of people into a dark net another, and trying to ban the real open indexes is one more...
[13:19] <Apophis2> I dont feel the spirit of openness anymore... I am sure soon there will again be a try of removeing certain content...
[13:20] <MineHaunter> I'll try to be clear on my point:
[13:20] * nextgens sets mode +o FreenetLogBot
[13:20] <Apophis2> We already had that... it doesnt succeeded. Paranoia is everywhere, Laws are bad, soon we need a darknet because freenet is maybe banned till then
[13:20] <MineHaunter> * any public gateway can log all requests (and will, with any probability)
[13:20] <MineHaunter> * to be anonymous on a public gateway you must use TOR (or something like)
[13:20] <Apophis2> yeah and whats the point?
[13:20] <MineHaunter> * people accessing Freenet through gateways aren't helping the network
[13:20] <MineHaunter> * so what's the point in installing TOR instead of Freenet?
[13:21] <Apophis2> People running nodes 5 hours per week are not helping the network either
[13:21] <MineHaunter> = gateways are useless, if not plain bad
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[13:22] <Apophis2> Not all are as paranoid as you, there is a nice concept called trust in this world. I trust the users not abusing my service, they trust me while using it...
[13:22] <nextgens> Apophis2> who am I kicking without reasons ?
[13:22] <Apophis2> A darknet ist nothing more, with more trusted third parties...
[13:22] <Apophis2> OH nextgens is awaken, didnt you set me on ignore the last time I was here?
[13:23] <nextgens> unfortunatly there is an expiration time on it :/
[13:23] <Apophis2> Too bad
[13:23] <nextgens> maybe I should "fix" that ;)
[13:23] <Apophis2> YOu kick ref bots...
[13:23] <nextgens> ?
[13:24] <Apophis2> just to answer your questions, and yes I am in a sarcastic mood, say thank you to mr. MineHaunter
[13:24] * nextgens doesn't recall kicking a refbot
[13:24] <MineHaunter> afaik he kicked a bot, once, because he was looking for something like 50 peers, which is too many
[13:24] <Apophis2> Well I didnt saw it by myself, but I saw the post on Frost about you kicking a refbot... I think with 50 nodes left to go...
[13:25] <nextgens> ah, yes that one ... sure I did
[13:25] * IMCensored1 doesn't recall this either.
[13:25] <Apophis2> to have 10 nodes all the time online... 50 is a good number
[13:25] <nextgens> no
[13:25] <IMCensored1> uhm. no
[13:25] <Apophis2> If you trade in refs, it is
[13:25] <Apophis2> :P
[13:25] <nextgens> I've got 10 peers online with 12 references
[13:25] <MineHaunter> me too
[13:25] <CIA-14> jflesch * r11192 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/plugins/index/FileManagementHelper.java: Fix 'copy key file to clipboard' option
[13:26] <IMCensored1> i got 6 of 10 online and the other 4 have less than 24 hr disconnects
[13:26] <nextgens> btw, allowing "metanodes" hurts the network and the community :
[13:26] <Apophis2> yes but you had not randomly selected them ;) and your ref pool is already cleaned out... so most of the nodes are 24/7... thats not what in refs normally is traded
[13:26] <nextgens> 1) it messes up the routing
[13:26] <Apophis2> thats my noderef at home, and this is already cleaned, 7/0/0/0/13
[13:26] <nextgens> 2) it doesn't help people who are connecting to it as it will always be overloaded
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[13:27] <MineHaunter> Apophis2: I have a few peers who are not 24/7, they asked if that was ok and I said yes. The others are almost always online
[13:27] <Apophis2> You kick people... its their choice not yours.
[13:27] <nextgens> indeed
[13:27] <nextgens> there is no point in letting them gathering 50 references if I know that it will do more harm than good
[13:28] <nextgens> I'm not preventing them from gathering references
[13:28] <nextgens> I'm preventing them from gathering references from #freenet-refs
[13:28] <nextgens> wich is quite different
[13:28] <Apophis2> He can do that anyway... at least he told you he wants 50... he can just modify the output, and you wont see that...
[13:28] <Apophis2> A come on :P where is the difference
[13:29] <MineHaunter> the difference is that someone states he is doing something wrong he can be told not to do it
[13:29] <Apophis2> I am not shoting at people, I just target them with a rifle...
[13:29] <Apophis2> there is a thing between telling and kicking
[13:30] <MineHaunter> he didn't ban them, just kick
[13:30] <MineHaunter> he could get back in a second
[13:30] <nextgens> I'm not preventing my friends from smoking; I'm preventing them to smoke when they are in my flat
[13:30] <Apophis2> If he did, what would nextgens do next? ;)
[13:30] <IMCensored1> but in the case of a bot... if the owner isnt around they cant be "told" hence why a kick was in order
[13:31] <Apophis2> but useless :P
[13:31] <nextgens> he wasn't around or didn't have the same nick
[13:31] <Apophis2> Yaya
[13:31] <IMCensored1> and thats the difference between telling and kicking
[13:32] <node999> i find frost really slow to update messages in boards
[13:32] <node999> is this usual behavior?
[13:32] <nextgens> iirc, I told him in the kick message
[13:32] <nextgens> :p
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[13:32] <IMCensored1> there ya go
[13:32] <IMCensored1> brb
[13:32] <nextgens> node999> it depends on how "far" frost is configured to dig
[13:33] <nextgens> node999> how many days it will look for messages backward
[13:37] <IMCensored1> i always found frost works best when left open for long periods of time
[13:37] <IMCensored1> but i hardly use it anymore
[13:38] <cbreak> Is there a way to limit the number of threads freenet uses?
[13:39] <Apophis2> no cbreak
[13:39] <cbreak> too bad :/
[13:43] <cbreak> hmm... most of my peer locathins are wthin +-0.09 from a center :/
[13:43] <node999> ko
[13:43] <node999> cool
[13:43] <node999> ok
[13:43] <node999> sorry newbie here, also what does it mean when something is marked CHECK or BAD
[13:44] <MineHaunter> CHECK is an identity you don't know, BAD (or GOOD) is when you mark someone as that.
[13:44] <MineHaunter> those are used to keep track of who you trust
[13:45] <MineHaunter> mark GOOD people you trust, mark BAD people you distrust, then there is an option to hide messages from BAD users
[13:45] <MineHaunter> (there are also options to only accept some kind of data eg.attacched boards from GOOD users)
[13:47] <Apophis2> thats great cbreak
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[14:46] <netadmin> I need some help to start to use freenet...
[14:46] <netadmin> I need some help to start to use freenet...
[14:46] <netadmin> Can anyone help me?
[14:49] <IMCensored1> what do you need to know
[14:50] <railk> IMCensored1: hes already asking in the #freenet-refs chan
[14:50] <IMCensored1> i realised that after i said that
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[15:15] <makinlok> I got Frost running for 2 hours and I can't see any new messages in all 23 boards i'm connected to... why?
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[15:20] <IMCensored1> have you manually searched for messages
[15:20] <IMCensored1> there is a button you gotta click to get the board to search
[15:20] <sbc> makinlok: Do you have any connected nodes? If not, running frost wont do you much good. If you do, I have no ideas.
[15:23] <makinlok> IMCensored1: click search for messages and then what?
[15:24] <makinlok> afaik messages should arrive automatically
[15:25] <IMCensored1> everytime i used frost, i had to click on a "get new messages" or something like button per board... then on the board's list the board was highlighted a different color (besides the standard highlight color) and within 2 - 15 minutes, messages would start coming through
[15:26] <mu22le> hi, is COfE (content of evil, freedom engine) still around? what happened to him?
[15:27] <makinlok> IMCensored1: the funny thing is that there is no such thing like a "get new messages" or anything similar :)
[15:28] <IMCensored1> gimmmie a minute... i'll open up frost
[15:28] <sbc> mu22le: Not really on the .7 network. Don't know if he is still hanging around on 0.5. There was a frost message from a cofe person a while back, but could just a well be a 'fake'.
[15:29] <sbc> makinlok: News --> Automatic board update.
[15:29] <sbc> that box should be checked.
[15:30] <makinlok> of course it already is... well it means that no-one send anything to boards i'm connected to ;)
[15:30] <IMCensored1> the button has two arrows and its the color blue
[15:30] <IMCensored1> it says
[15:30] <IMCensored1> it says "update" when you mouse over it
[15:31] <sbc> makinlok: Are you in fact connected to any other nodes? Can you browse freesites?
[15:31] <makinlok> sbc: i'm connected to 21 nodes
[15:31] <sbc> makinlok: That should work... Strange.
[15:32] <IMCensored1> goto http://localhost:8888/freenet:KSK@gpl.txt see how long it takes to pull up
[15:33] <mu22le> sbc, Isee, thnx
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[15:35] <makinlok> IMCensored1: 2 minutes and still nothing trying to connect this address
[15:35] <makinlok> maybe i got too many other freenet downloads
[15:36] <makinlok> i wish this network runs faster
[15:36] <IMCensored1> thats like one of the most basic things on freenet ... thats the gnu licence
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[15:36] <fasta> makinlok: it's a high latency network, not slow.
[15:37] <fasta> When I use thaw to download a list of files, it claims "there was an error while receiving".
[15:38] <fasta> But when I look in the queue via the web-interface, everything is fine.
[15:38] <makinlok> the only solution is to concentrate on what you really like specifically and avoid unnecessary traffic
[15:38] <fasta> makinlok: what's your upload/download?
[15:40] <makinlok> fasta: songs
[15:40] <makinlok> rather large files
[15:40] <fasta> makinlok: ... I mean your connection speed....
[15:40] <fasta> makinlok: to your ISP...
[15:42] <makinlok> ah :)
[15:42] <makinlok> 256 kbps
[15:43] <fasta> makinlok: symmetric?
[15:43] <IMCensored1> killabits per sec or killabytes per sec
[15:44] <fasta> IMCensored1: killa? You mean kilo
[15:44] <IMCensored1> yea sorry
[15:44] <makinlok> asymetric, DSL
[15:45] <makinlok> kilobits
[15:45] <IMCensored1> so 32 kBps ... thats like dialup speed
[15:46] <fasta> makinlok: it's called symmetric if up and download are the same.
[15:46] <makinlok> i see
[15:46] <fasta> makinlok: try to learn how to answer simple questions
[15:46] <makinlok> i thought of asynchronic then
[15:47] <makinlok> that up/down speeds are different
[15:47] <fasta> makinlok: so what's your up- and download?
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[15:48] <Tesaurus> \q
[15:48] <makinlok> down: 256 kilo bits / up 64 kilo bits
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[15:48] <makinlok> typical low-DSL
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[15:49] <Apophis2> very low
[15:49] <fasta> makinlok: 64kb/s means you can only get 8KB/s max.
[15:49] <makinlok> i know
[15:49] <fasta> makinlok: on average you don't get max throughput, so you are stuck at about 3, I guess.
[15:50] <makinlok> when i use e-mule, for example, my downloads are like 30 kilo bytes / second
[15:51] <fasta> Apophis2: did you make those modifications yourself for your public node?
[15:51] <IMCensored1> ure tachin out you connection there...
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[15:57] <Apophis2> There are not many modifications, but yes
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[16:08] <toad_> rehi
[16:09] <toad_> hehe @ Apophis2
[16:09] <toad_> Apophis2: who are you on Frost then?
[16:10] <toad_> Apophis2: trying to ban what real open indexes? we added entry point, we're keeping the two existing ones; I'd add Another Index if it had proper descriptions
[16:10] <nextgens> toad_> are you expecting him to avow he is the flooder ?
[16:10] <nextgens> :p
[16:10] <toad_> Apophis2: trusting unauthenticated lunatics off the internet is a bad idea :)
[16:11] * toad_ has 16 nodes online, 28 offline
[16:13] <toad_> cbreak: that's a bad thing? <cbreak> hmm... most of my peer locathins are wthin +-0.09 from a center :/
[16:15] <toad_> <makinlok> i wish this network runs faster
[16:15] <toad_> me too!
[16:15] <hjubal> :D
[16:16] <toad_> nextgens: well he SAID he was a troll
[16:16] <cbreak> I have no clue if it's bad. But it's not evenly distributed.
[16:16] <cbreak> I like even distributions :)
[16:16] <toad_> nextgens: or at least an advocatus diaboli, which isn't always a bad thing
[16:16] <toad_> cbreak: it's not supposed to be evenly distributed
[16:17] <toad_> cbreak: you're supposed to have many close to your loc and a few further away
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[16:24] <lattt> what is the maximum of the network? in the last I reached always about
[16:25] <lattt> 450 nodes ... will it go higher or is it reached?
[16:25] <toad_> it can go higher
[16:25] <toad_> but they may not be within swapping radius
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[16:29] <lattt> so I'll never reach the full network? about what percent is possible? or what is the actual number of clients? is there an estimate?
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[16:31] <toad_> lattt: your requests should in theory reach the whole network (if you make enough of them), but swaps are limited to a 6 hop radius
[16:31] <lattt> ah, ok .... I should better read the docs :)
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[16:41] <CIA-14> toad * r11193 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/filter/PNGFilter.java: Fix handle leak
[16:43] <CIA-14> toad * r11194 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/filter/PNGFilter.java: Always close
[16:43] <toad_> any GIFs on freenet?
[16:43] <fasta> toad_: is it possible that two freenet users are on different freenet networks?
[16:44] <toad_> fasta: possible yes but unlikely in general
[16:44] <fasta> toad_: that's what I thought. Thanks
[16:44] <toad_> it can certainly be deliberately engineered
[16:44] <toad_> e.g. if you have true darknets
[16:44] <fasta> toad_: right
[16:44] <toad_> however i'd expect them to join up eventually
[16:44] <toad_> anyone know of a site on freenet that has GIFs in it?
[16:46] <kasvio> toad_: want me to insert a gif?
[16:47] <toad_> found one...
[16:48] <toad_> okay, that works fine
[16:48] <fasta> toad_: wouldn't it be nice to have X KB/s next to the node name?
[16:48] <CIA-14> toad * r11195 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/filter/ (ContentFilter.java GIFFilter.java): Basic GIF filter too. (Again, this only checks the header).
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[16:53] <toad_> okay, JPEG next
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[17:04] <netadmin> How to use Fetch Key ?
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[17:07] <netadmin> How to use Fetch Key ?
[17:08] <_ph00> paste the key to fetch and hit "Fetch"?
[17:08] <netadmin> What is the key?
[17:09] <_ph00> uh, OK
[17:09] <_ph00> it's called a key because freenet does encryption, I guess
[17:09] <_ph00> but it's used as you use a regular internet address
[17:10] <netadmin> What I have to do to search anything?
[17:10] <_ph00> only, as it's so long and weird, you never actually type it, only copy-paste
[17:11] <_ph00> so you have a 'key' that is the equivalent of an address, and you paste in that field, then you hit 'fetch', which is like 'download'
[17:11] <_ph00> or 'go there' if it's a page, but then you want to paste the key (= address) in the address field, and hit enter
[17:12] <_ph00> to find keys to pages and stuff to download, you can use frost
[17:12] <netadmin> How to get a key?
[17:12] <_ph00> sometimes it's on a freesite, some are posted in frost messages
[17:13] <netadmin> I see...
[17:13] <_ph00> on frost, on the appropriate board, you get keys, add bords with names like 'sites' 'video', 'movies' 'music', etc
[17:14] <_ph00> e-books is a *good* one
[17:14] <_ph00> ...but no one upped the old donald comics by barks, rosa ...
[17:14] <toad_> <pre>o you can identify a JFIF file by looking for the following sequence: X'FF', SOI, X'FF',
[17:14] <toad_> APP0, <2 bytes to be skipped>, "JFIF", X'00'.</pre>
[17:15] <toad_> what is SOI?
[17:15] <toad_> it seems to be the hex character d8
[17:15] <_ph00> (anyone who has a scanner and some of those comics should do his/her duty for the conservation of comics history on the net)
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[17:18] <netadmin> What is a freesite where I can find some materialis?
[17:23] <netadmin> What is a freesite where I can find some materials?
[17:24] <OctobersDark> netadmin: on the main fproxy page at http://localhost:8888/ there some indexii to gwet you started
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[17:28] <netadmin> Tnx...
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[17:58] <nextgens> is the windows updating script working now ?
[17:59] <nextgens> ie : does "update testing" works ?
[17:59] <nextgens> IMCensored1> ^
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[18:34] <nextgens> toad_> may I ask what you're working on atm ? Are binary blobs still in good position on your TODO ?
[18:34] <nextgens> or has "improving the content filter" taken precedence ?
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[18:38] <nextgens> I NEED input from w32 users
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[18:56] <netadmin> What's your ref Ash-Fox?
[18:59] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11196 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/PeerNode.java: implement #944: Check testnet flag on connect ; It needs testing though
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[19:02] <nextgens> toad_> I saw a message from you on frost telling that https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=933 is fixed: isn't it ?
[19:02] <nextgens> toad_> btw, aren't #925 and related fixed too ?
[19:03] <nextgens> toad_> #924 too
[19:03] <nextgens> toad_> may you update tickets on mantis once a while please ? :)
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[19:27] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11197 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/QueueToadlet.java: maybe fix #889 forcing the form encoding to UTF8
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[19:29] <nextgens> FreenetLogBot> c'mon
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[19:32] <mario69> recently I have seen correct node behaviour when upgrading 1005 to 1006 and 1004 to 1006 so on my end it looks like update logic bug is fixed.
[19:33] <nextgens> filename=%C3%A9%C3%A0%C3%A7test%C3%A0c.txt
[19:33] <nextgens> yay
[19:34] <mario69> but, on a leaf node I noticed a funny behaviour, Maybe not a bug, but strange looking: http://127.0.0.1:8888/CHK@0Vsc009gs~plcXfe0QwQ2-Z371a1zqO7tZBedgIoSck,iKoPLAxJoyJoNvvAwPOv0wOHLLR8oQzbs90yh5LEEQY,AAEC--8/peerlogicerror.png
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[19:35] <nextgens> Dec 02, 2006 19:33:01:595 (freenet.clients.http.HTTPRequest, freenet.clients.http.SimpleToadletServer$SocketHandler@18b7298, MINOR): Name: filename Value: %C3%A9%C3%A0%C3%A7test%C3%A0c.txt
[19:35] <nextgens> Dec 02, 2006 19:33:01:595 (freenet.clients.http.HTTPRequest, freenet.clients.http.SimpleToadletServer$SocketHandler@18b7298, MINOR): Decoded name: filename
[19:35] <nextgens> Dec 02, 2006 19:33:01:595 (freenet.clients.http.HTTPRequest, freenet.clients.http.SimpleToadletServer$SocketHandler@18b7298, MINOR): Decoded value: ???test?c.txt
[19:35] <nextgens> Dec 02, 2006 19:33:01:596 (freenet.clients.http.HTTPRequest, freenet.clients.http.SimpleToadletServer$SocketHandler@18b7298, MINOR): Added as part: name=filename value=???test?c.txt
[19:35] <nextgens> hmm
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[19:38] <nextgens> mario69> your png is dnfing
[19:40] <mario69> inserted 15 mins ago from fproxy
[19:41] <mario69> anyway, it says: peer statistics: disconnected:1. Peer backoff reasons: Good, your node is not backed off from any peers.
[19:41] <mario69> kinda weird looking :)
[19:41] <mario69> sure my node is not backed off, bit it is not connected either :)
[19:42] <mario69> s/bit/but
[19:43] <CIA-14> jflesch * r11198 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Allow to change the index key
[19:43] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11199 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/QueueToadlet.java: more untested work on #889
[19:45] * nextgens wonders what the "removing ack request twice" business is
[19:49] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11200 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/KeyTracker.java: Indent
[19:53] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11201 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/KeyTracker.java: Take a lock before calling removeAckRequest(int)
[19:54] <nextgens> toad_> I'd like to have your pov. on r11201
[19:56] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11202 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/QueueToadlet.java:
[19:56] <CIA-14> Fix the following one :
[19:56] <CIA-14> jvm 1 | java.lang.NullPointerException
[19:56] <CIA-14> jvm 1 | at freenet.clients.http.QueueToadlet.handlePost(QueueToadlet.java:182)
[19:56] <CIA-14> jvm 1 | at freenet.clients.http.ToadletContextImpl.handle(ToadletContextImpl.java:306)
[19:56] <CIA-14> jvm 1 | at freenet.clients.http.SimpleToadletServer$SocketHandler.run(SimpleToadletServer.java:397)
[19:56] <CIA-14> jvm 1 | at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:534)
[19:56] <toad_> rehi
[19:57] <nextgens> hmm
[19:58] <nextgens> ok, r11199 was silly
[19:59] * nextgens reverts
[20:00] * toad_ got a bit carried away writing the JPEG filter
[20:00] <toad_> anyway, lets see if it works...
[20:01] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11203 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/QueueToadlet.java: revert r11199
[20:02] <nextgens> I don't understand where the problem is :'(
[20:02] <nextgens> getPartAsString ought to URLDecode, right ?
[20:02] <toad_> nextgens: improving the content filter(s), but not for long
[20:03] <nextgens> <input value="?©? ?§test? c.txt-fred-1165086665947"
[20:03] * nextgens wonders wtf is going on
[20:03] <nextgens> it has been HTMLEncoded and URLEncoded ?
[20:03] <nextgens> the original filename is "???test?c.txt"
[20:04] <nextgens> anyway : lunch time : bbiab
[20:10] <toad_> nextgens: that's bizarre
[20:10] <toad_> nextgens: lunch?
[20:10] <toad_> nextgens: where are you now?
[20:11] <toad_> nextgens: is it a good idea to strip all EXIF data from JPEGs, for now?
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[20:19] <toad_> probably ...
[20:20] <toad_> in future we might parse it, but if you want the exact original file, you have to bypass the filter; that won't change
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[20:27] <Sonnentier> hi..
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[20:34] <Sonnentier> is there a offline freenet installer?
[20:34] <CIA-14> toad * r11204 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/support/io/CountedInputStream.java: Doh
[20:35] <toad_> Sonnentier: there is a tarball
[20:35] <Sonnentier> wow for the first time ever, I can open freenet downloads/wiki! ;D
[20:35] <Sonnentier> ok
[20:35] <toad_> Sonnentier: try that
[20:35] <toad_> Sonnentier: for the first time ever? using tor this time? :)
[20:36] <Sonnentier> no, without :)
[20:36] <Sonnentier> took nearly a minute, but then opened
[20:39] <toad_> hmmm
[20:39] <toad_> what's the problem?
[20:40] <toad_> normally it's fine for me
[20:40] <toad_> the wiki certainly
[20:40] <Sonnentier> ok now it opens
[20:40] <Sonnentier> i dont know what was before
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[20:46] * mozillaman yawns
[20:58] <mozillaman> What's new? :)
[20:58] <mozillaman> What's "fresh & exciting"? :)
[20:58] <Sonnentier> :)
[20:58] <toad_> nextgens has been doing some bugfixes
[20:59] <toad_> i'm working on the content filter
[20:59] <Sonnentier> the local content filter for freenet ?
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[21:00] <Sonnentier> Successful installation of Freenet 0.7! :D
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[21:05] <Sonnentier> can you set port for freenet, i have a router
[21:12] <nextgens> hi
[21:14] <nextgens> toad_> I think it would be cool if you keept info. like resolution, compression level, whether it's landscape or not
[21:14] <nextgens> but other thinks like date, author and software used to produce the picture might contain sensitive data...
[21:14] <nextgens> including html links
[21:15] <nextgens> that might be followed on crappy viewers
[21:15] <nextgens> on the other hand ... nothing says people will use the content-filter anyway
[21:15] <nextgens> toad_> previews could be usefull as well
[21:25] <Sonnentier> listenPort freenet.config.InvalidConfigValueException: Switching listenPort on the fly not yet supported!
[21:29] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11205 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/QueueToadlet.java: Small improvments on the /queue/ page : use labels on break where appropriate.
[21:29] * nextgens isn't 100% sure it's meant to be used that way
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[21:43] <nextgens> hmm
[21:43] <nextgens> that's driving me nuts :<
[21:43] <nextgens> toad_> heeeellllpppp meeeee
[21:43] <nextgens> :)
[21:44] <Sonnentier> I can't change the port on the fly, so how can I change it (FNP port) (port forwarding)
[21:44] <nextgens> toad_> http://pastebin.ca/264969
[21:45] <nextgens> Sonnentier> you can't without loosing your peers
[21:45] <Sonnentier> o.O
[21:45] <nextgens> toad_> I suspect getPartAsString() not to be utf-8 compliant but fail to see where it messes it up
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[21:59] <toad_> nextgens: hmmm?
[21:59] <toad_> nextgens: problem?
[21:59] <toad_> nextgens: EXIF isn't needed for previews
[21:59] <mozillaman> toad_: Gimme news ;)
[22:01] <toad_> nextgens: getPartAsString ought to be ...
[22:01] <toad_> i'll have a look soon
[22:04] <toad_> hmmm won't have time
[22:04] <toad_> sorry
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[22:41] <CIA-14> toad * r11206 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/ (6 files in 2 dirs):
[22:41] <CIA-14> Enable image filters (doh).
[22:41] <CIA-14> Add a detailed JPEG filter. (I got carried away...) This strips EXIF and comments, and is pretty thorough (although it doesn't parse *everything* e.g. the scan).
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[23:16] <Apophis2> toad, once in a while I dont talk about you ;) I meant the audiance in genereal, but since the discussion is at least 6 hours past, I wont comment further...
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[23:31] <fridim> Is it possible to know if a file was inserted with compression or not ?
[23:33] <MineHaunter> afaik currently not
[23:34] <MineHaunter> you could try to reinsert it with GetCHKOnly=true (not a real insert, just a key calculation), with and without compression and see which key matches
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[23:58] <fridim> MineHaunter, yes, good idea
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