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[0:03] <mizery_guts> anybody mainlining on frost here? I would love a peer who is downloading the frost messages
[0:03] <mizery_guts> speed me up a bit
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[0:05] <JustMe> Toad: look down at the page a bit to see the Wednesday, November 22, 2006 entry of USK@5QOjqouIpkngIq8RnzQeStvB3F-QKO9hUC2pnIoGZwY,zI0ngWE4OyOPbjF5FxAFxMrBaL-uw-LdqQxe3kP54Jk,AQABAAE/mytwocents/5/
[0:07] <blaaah> mizery_guts let me know if you find someone
[0:07] <mizery_guts> sure
[0:07] <blaaah> i can only go back as far as the 19th for messages
[0:08] <mizery_guts> doing better than me
[0:08] <toad_> JustMe: that's all jSite stuff afaics
[0:08] <toad_> JustMe: what i was looking for was a Fred-level bug preventing inserting freesites
[0:08] <JustMe> ok Toad.
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[0:14] <electrosy> Where is a good place to discuss web page development for freeNet's web?
[0:14] <electrosy> i know the basics. but i want to hear what other developers have to say about it.
[0:15] <Zothar> it's just normal web development with HTML/XHTML/CSS and without Javascript/Java/PHP/etc. (all static content ATM)
[0:16] <Zothar> (the links may be "weird" because of Freenet keys, but just make 'em all absolute URLs without a hostname: /USK@5QOjqouIpkngIq8RnzQeStvB3F-QKO9hUC2pnIoGZwY,zI0ngWE4OyOPbjF5FxAFxMrBaL-uw-LdqQxe3kP54Jk,AQABAAE/mytwocents/5/ instead of http://127.0.0.1:8888/USK@5QOjqouIpkngIq8RnzQeStvB3F-QKO9hUC2pnIoGZwY,zI0ngWE4OyOPbjF5FxAFxMrBaL-uw-LdqQxe3kP54Jk,AQABAAE/mytwocents/5/
[0:16] <Zothar> )
[0:17] <electrosy> ok
[0:18] <electrosy> sounds simple enough, now one interesting this i have seen is these, active links, what are they?
[0:19] <Zothar> images of a certain dimension, usually PNGs, but they don't have to be; I don't recall the dimensions off the top of my head
[0:20] <Zothar> the PNG can be used to link to the site the PNG is the active link image for
[0:20] <ralith_> Zothar, actually, java can be static content
[0:20] <ralith_> that's a thought
[0:20] <ralith_> since it's a static file it runs off of
[0:20] <ralith_> but that must be a huge security hole
[0:21] <ralith_> also, there are a few sites out there that use javascript already
[0:21] <ralith_> e.g. indicia's beta search
[0:21] <electrosy> where can i read more about active links , seems anything i serch for on good is not hardley related to freenet,.
[0:21] <Zothar> how's indicia getting roung the Javascript filter?
[0:21] <electrosy> google.
[0:22] <ralith_> Zothar, no idea. Take a look :P
[0:22] <ralith_> maybe I have it turned off. Don't think so, though
[0:22] <TheSeeker|Gone> is image/jpeg ever going to be recognized instead of being inserted as octet/stream ? I can deal with a warning saying it might be dangerous, it's just annoying :P
[0:23] <TheSeeker|Gone> Zothar: XML
[0:23] <electrosy> So how secure is Freenet Really?
[0:23] <ralith_> if you've got a true darknet
[0:23] <ralith_> very.
[0:23] <ralith_> assuming you do nothing dumb like state your name
[0:23] <electrosy> very as in 100% as in the only people that can screw you are people in your peer list?
[0:24] <electrosy> no, whats this javascript issue, is it safe to be accessing javascript material?
[0:24] <blaaah> its never safe
[0:25] <electrosy> never safew to run javascript huh?
[0:25] <blaaah> in my opinion
[0:25] <Zothar> (well, that's the plan, but there may still be bugs that prevent that level ATM; that and you might raise some suspicions if you use the STUN plugin or with the people that have access to a sniffer close to the machine running your node Internet topology-wise
[0:25] <electrosy> so the furture of Freenet does not see javascript as something its going to use? Freenet will always stick with HTML/XHTML/CSS ?
[0:25] <blaaah> no idea
[0:25] <Zothar> Javascript could be sanitized, _maybe_, but Freenet doesn't have a sanitizer for it yet/
[0:26] <mizery_guts> I read in frost, that Inicia has munged the MIME of his JavaScript
[0:26] <electrosy> ok, so it should never be run unsanitized ever period?
[0:26] <Zothar> it's all about eliminating or vastly reducing the likelihood that your browser can give you away
[0:26] <mizery_guts> a flaw that will be patched up
[0:26] <ralith_> electrosy, eventually there will be dynamic content support
[0:26] <ralith_> electrosy, and even your peer list has trouble screwing you, btw
[0:26] <mizery_guts> JavaScript sucks on an anonymous network
[0:26] <ralith_> plausable deniability
[0:26] <ralith_> plausible*
[0:27] <ralith_> but even having encryption software can raise suspicions :P
[0:28] <Zothar> electrosy: never unsanitized from Freenet, yes, because all a Freesite would have to do is put a "webbug" in it's page, similar to how Google Analytics provides the ability for sites on the Internet to track those site's users
[0:28] <electrosy> right it can raise suspictions, but it dosent make for any pudding.
[0:28] <Zothar> ralith_: unless everybody uses encryption for everything, yes :)
[0:28] <electrosy> thats they way its starting to go the InterNET will just become like ShoppingNET
[0:29] <mizery_guts> that is the big dream, all messages put in envelopes
[0:29] <electrosy> i guess darknets are 5% of the internet.
[0:29] <mizery_guts> then only the person who should read it can
[0:29] <Zothar> darknets are probably a _much_ smaller portion of the Internet than that ATM
[0:30] <blaaah> 0.05%
[0:30] <blaaah> or less
[0:30] <electrosy> hmm.
[0:30] <electrosy> that was exagratted big time.
[0:35] <electrosy> now, how do i protect myself from javascript attacks?
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[0:36] <electrosy> I run firefox.
[0:36] <blaaah> see #freenet-refs
[0:38] <electrosy> I wonder how long it would take to inject a 100 meg web page.
[0:39] <electrosy> when about 25 connections are avialable at about 200 nodes.
[0:40] <Zothar> how many connections you have won't generally help if most of the content needs to be routed to only one or two of those peers because of the content's location and the location of those peers
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[0:53] <toad_> <MineHaunter> (btw, default store dir should be ./store or something like that... why mix up all the files?)
[0:53] <toad_> agreed, but how to migrate? file a bug if you care, it's only a few files now
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[1:01] <toad_> TheSeeker|Gone: why would image/jpeg not be recognized? it's normally recognized; if it's not it indicates you inserted the file with frost, which doesn't set a MIME type :)
[1:03] <toad_> <electrosy> now, how do i protect myself from javascript attacks?
[1:03] <toad_> don't open any content fred warns you about?
[1:03] <toad_> Zothar: yes but if it's 200MB, then more conns WILL generally help because it's distributed across thousands of blocks
[1:04] <Zothar> I should have necessarily instead of generally :)
[1:05] <Zothar> my "if" clause sorta helps, but not much
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[1:14] <blaaah> just wondering is there any reason why I can only download 5 days backwards on Frost?
[1:14] <blaaah> i have set the relevant settings to 25 and 30
[1:14] <blaaah> does not seem to work though
[1:16] <Zothar> I assume you've also told it to display that far back and have waited a good long while for it to actually pick them up
[1:18] <blaaah> yes
[1:18] <blaaah> all day been waiting
[1:18] <blaaah> downloads back to 25 and show to 30
[1:18] <blaaah> but i only have up to 19th
[1:18] <blaaah> of november
[1:22] <toad_> nextgens: your logs are not log level minor
[1:22] <toad_> nextgens: they look like log level = normal
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[1:24] <Zothar> blaaah: perhaps that's a bug that needs to be reported, especially if you're running an alpha build of Frost
[1:25] <blaaah> i just have whatever came with the freenet installer
[1:26] <Zothar> OK, stable then; I don't recall paying enough attention to see if that worked for me; I suppose it's _possible_ (but not necessarily likely) that the older stuff fell out of Freenet?
[1:29] <blaaah> guess i better redownload frost separately
[1:30] <Zothar> you'll have to specifically download one of the alphas since the stable one shipped with Freenet is still the latest stable Frost AFAIK
[1:31] <blaaah> ok
[1:31] <blaaah> i'll try the stable again
[1:35] <CIA-14> toad * r11049 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/FNPPacketMangler.java: Receiving a dupe still means the connection is open.
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[1:37] <CIA-14> toad * r11050 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/ (FNPPacketMangler.java KeyTracker.java PeerNode.java): No reason to throw and block processing of the message.
[1:41] <blaaah> hmm now i can only download todays messages
[1:42] <CIA-14> toad * r11051 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/PeerNode.java:
[1:42] <CIA-14> Allow sending acknowledgements, even if the KeyTracker is deprecated.
[1:42] <CIA-14> Combined with the last few changes, this _just might_ fix the bandwidth bug.
[1:43] <toad_> nextgens: i may have fixed it
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[1:48] <JakeDust> Hey, someone knows a way to bypass Windows' Firewall? I've already opened the FNP, but it can't connect (I can only connect locally)
[1:48] <toad_> good night
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[1:49] <blaaah> so is there anyone out there that can help me get frost working?
[1:49] <Zothar> JakeDust: you may have to add the port manually; dunno Windows Firewall very well
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[1:50] <Zothar> blaaah: I'm not a Frost expert and have mentioned what I know
[1:51] <blaaah> ok
[1:52] <blaaah> ive tried reinstalling and now i can only download todays
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[1:52] <blaaah> i'll play around with it thx
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[1:59] <Savoy> search can be set date =ever
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[2:24] <CIA-14> zothar * r11052 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/ (3 files in 2 dirs): More fixes to the 1st phase of N2NM. Clarify the WouldBlockException rate limited logg message. Timing messages in checkFilters() and waitFor().
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[2:25] <electro> Is there any safe way to make a hit counter for web pages on freenet?
[2:27] <ralith_> nope
[2:28] <ralith_> hit counter == dynamic == not workable
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[3:01] <CIA-14> zothar * r11053 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Added unclaimed message counts and node version info to /stats/ page.
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[3:40] <electrosy> Unknown and potentially dangerous content type: binary/zip-compressed <- What should i do witht that. is it safe to force the browswer to download anyway?
[3:44] <_ph00> yes
[3:44] <_ph00> (assuming you know what file you're downloading)
[3:44] <_ph00> or at least, what it's supposed to be
[3:45] <electrosy> yea, it was Fuqid.
[3:45] <electrosy> not sure how to use the thing though yet.
[3:51] <_ph00> so don't
[3:51] <_ph00> use thaw
[3:52] <_ph00> and fproxy
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[3:59] <electrosy> hmm, i wonder what is better, does anyone know which is better, Thaw or Frost?
[4:01] <ralith_> well, are you posting threads, or downloading files?
[4:01] <electrosy> planning on downloading files, and injecting web pages.
[4:01] <electrosy> maybe post some threads later.
[4:02] <ralith_> jSite for web pages
[4:02] <CIA-14> zothar * r11054 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/Node.java: More, hopefully the last, 1st phase N2NM fixes/tweaks.
[4:02] <ralith_> thaw for downloads
[4:02] <ralith_> and/or FProxy
[4:02] <ralith_> and frost for discussion
[4:03] <electrosy> woops. i didnt mean Frost actually i meant Fquid.
[4:03] <electrosy> fuquid.
[4:03] <electrosy> or fuqid
[4:03] <electrosy> are spiders safe on freenet?
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[4:31] <CIA-14> zothar * r11055 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/N2NTMToadlet.java: Phase 2 of 2 for implementing N2NMs.
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[6:06] <electrosy> I just used jSite to try and inject a web page put it gave the error "The insert of the project failed, some files could not be inserted" would anyone happen to know why?
[6:08] <electrosy> nevermind, i put a / infront of the thing so there was // in the link.
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[6:17] <electrosy> Hello.
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[10:17] * Set by nextgens on Sun Nov 19 22:41:30 UTC 2006
[10:17] [freenode-connect VERSION]
[10:17] <P4C0> cyberdo, will it be better if I use firefox?
[10:18] <cyberdo> the problem for me is that my router (belkin trash) ca'n cope with all the connections
[10:18] <cyberdo> I have it in FF
[10:18] <cyberdo> so my router stops routing... some, already etablished, traffic is fine (ssh, freenet, and so on), but no new connections
[10:19] -CensoredBot- REPLY This is the welcome bot for #freenet-de.
[10:19] <P4C0> cyberdo, hummm I may be having same problem... a have a cisco soho
[10:20] <cyberdo> try to restart it (pull the plug, count to 5) next time if possible
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[10:20] <lneoncyberl> bonjour
[10:20] <cyberdo> I'd like some freenet etension that can set ma. connections per server
[10:21] <lneoncyberl> i search "Add another peer"
[10:21] <cyberdo> lneoncyberl: #freenet-refs
[10:22] <lneoncyberl> thanks
[10:22] <cyberdo> just say "hi", and they'll jump all over you ;o)
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[10:24] <fasta> Why isn't something like silc suggested for trading references?
[10:24] <fasta> Or are you simply unaware of it?
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[10:30] <nextgens> silc ?
[10:34] <fasta> silc is based on irssi, but adds cryptography by default.
[10:36] <sandos> ok, started 11055.. lets see how this plays out
[10:39] <nextgens> Zothar> r11053 is awfully ineficient :/
[10:40] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11056 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/io/comm/UdpSocketManager.java: improve r11052 : spare a System.currentTimeMillis() on the filter-checking loop
[10:41] <IMCensored1> where can i get the -ext #8 ... update.cmd testing fails and i cant seem to update past 11030
[10:41] * nextgens wonders whether it worths spending time on improving it
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[10:42] <nextgens> IMCensored1> downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/freenet-ext.jar
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[10:42] <IMCensored1> okai i did that... so i guess i can rull out that reason why im getting a system error
[10:42] <IMCensored1> *rule
[10:43] <nextgens> remove all .jar and .jar.url and retry the updating script
[10:47] <IMCensored1> okai did that... same error - http://dark-code.bulix.org/7mzfvh-24635?raw - it created freenet.jar in the directory and its a 0 byte file
[10:50] <nextgens> sandos> I'd like to have some feedbacks about it ... tell me if it worths to be released
[10:50] <nextgens> sandos> so far the b/w usage is cut down here
[10:50] <sandos> the problem is it took the old version ~12 hours or so pick up on the bw-usage
[10:50] <sandos> so I will have to wait and see
[10:50] <nextgens> IMCensored1> that's because one of our mirror is sucking
[10:51] <nextgens> IMCensored1> will fix soon
[10:51] <nextgens> IMCensored1> in the meantime you should just retry
[10:51] <nextgens> sandos> true ... but watch out unclaimedFifoSize as well
[10:51] <sandos> yes
[10:51] <nextgens> here it's not increasing anymore
[10:52] <nextgens> wich is damn good
[10:53] <nextgens> well, it's still increasing but slowly
[10:53] <IMCensored1> alright
[10:54] <nextgens> does anyone know how to issue a HEAD request only to an http server from command line ?
[10:54] <nextgens> I don't want to download anything but to check the size/timestamp of latest build
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[10:57] <IMCensored1> seems like all the mirrors are sucking...
[10:57] <IMCensored1> ive gone through 5 different ones
[10:58] <nextgens> that's not possible
[10:59] <nextgens> ok, I've spotted one out of date
[11:00] <IMCensored1> there was like sectoor.de, acc.umn.se, princeton.edu, sitharus.org
[11:02] <nextgens> princeton was outdated
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[11:02] <fasta> nextgens: did you never hear of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SILC_%28protocol%29 ?
[11:02] <nextgens> I've taken it out of the rotation list and mailed the owner
[11:03] <nextgens> fasta> no
[11:04] <nextgens> fasta> I've never heard of it
[11:04] <fasta> nextgens: It's not vaporware.
[11:04] <fasta> nextgens: it works today and is open-source.
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[11:06] <IMCensored1> sweet i got it to work...
[11:06] * nextgens doesn't see the point of using such protocols
[11:06] <nextgens> fasta> for corporate environments they would prefer credentials
[11:07] <IMCensored1> i downloaded - ftp://ftpmirror.sectoor.de/freenet/alpha/freenet-r11056-snapshot.jar & ftp://ftpmirror.sectoor.de/freenet/alpha/freenet-ext.jar
[11:07] <nextgens> and for personnal business, we have cryptography on top of other unsecure medium
[11:07] <IMCensored1> for some reason when i downloaded freenet-ext.jar from download.freenetproject.org i kept getting #7
[11:07] <fasta> nextgens: I am suggesting it as a replacement of #freenet-refs
[11:08] <fasta> nextgens: for which it could serve great.
[11:08] <nextgens> fasta> If we move somewhere, it would be on jabber
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[11:08] <fasta> nextgens: does that provide end-to-end encryption?
[11:08] <nextgens> most people have jabber clients ... or gmail adresses :/
[11:08] <nextgens> clients can
[11:08] <fasta> nextgens: and why isn't that move made already?
[11:09] <nextgens> I've got a GPG plugin on my jabber client
[11:09] <nextgens> and on irc as well btw ;)
[11:09] <fasta> nextgens: what jabber client do you use?
[11:09] <nextgens> gajim
[11:09] <nextgens> or psi
[11:09] <nextgens> depending on where I am
[11:09] <fasta> nextgens: did you use multiple clients/
[11:09] <nextgens> yes
[11:09] <fasta> nextgens: do you have a strong opinion on what is a good client?
[11:10] <nextgens> it depends
[11:10] <fasta> nextgens: I did spend some time on it, but never really switched.
[11:10] <nextgens> I left psi because I needed "meta-contacts"
[11:10] <nextgens> gajim is a bit unstable with a *big* list of contacts
[11:11] <nextgens> but it performs fine otherwise
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[11:11] <nextgens> and I love its python binding capabilities
[11:11] <fasta> nextgens: ever used GAIM for Jabber?
[11:11] <nextgens> it allows me to use OSD and so on
[11:11] <nextgens> I can't stand gaim :p
[11:12] <nextgens> neither the software nor its development process </rant>
[11:12] <nextgens> that's a bit out of topic anyway
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[11:30] <fasta> nextgens: what do I need for OpenPGP support to work in gajim?
[11:32] <fasta> nextgens: nm
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[11:42] <fasta> nextgens: do you also use MSN over Jabber?
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[12:03] <sandos> nextgens, I really like Gajim
[12:03] <sandos> I also use mcabber... ncurses based client
[12:06] <fasta> nextgens: nm, again.
[12:07] <fasta> Ok, I am fully Jabber operational :)
[12:07] * sich is under jabber to
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[12:08] <fasta> On the surface it feels like GAIM, though, although it probably has more features specific for Jabber.
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[12:23] <fasta> nextgens: I already got a few "trace backs". So, indeed, it's not that stable.
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[12:46] <sandos> aha, you are in the gajim MUC ;
[12:46] <sandos> ;)
[12:47] <sandos> fasta, 0.10.1 is unfortunately unusable imo
[12:47] <sandos> Im using SVN and its very stable
[12:47] <fasta> sandos: ok, I think it's usable, for the simple things, I am sure you do more advanced things.
[12:48] <fasta> sandos: I just use the package manager version, since I already build enough from source.
[12:48] <sandos> ok
[12:48] <sandos> =)
[12:48] <sandos> well, there is really no "building" involved
[12:48] <sandos> I update from SVN, and then run launch.bat (yes, I use windows)
[12:48] <sandos> I just needed to get all the python libraries first
[12:49] <fasta> sandos: Open-source software and Windows don't go easily together
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[13:36] <edt> just updated to see if toad's fix actually helps with bandwidth...
[13:36] <edt> found this in the logs
[13:37] <edt> Nov 26, 2006 13:35:05:497 (freenet.node.Node, WrapperListener_start_runner, NORMAL): Using wrapper correctly: freenet.node.NodeSt
[13:37] <edt> arter@62836283
[13:37] <edt> (freenet.node.updater.NodeUpdaterManager, WrapperListener_start_runner, ERROR): Cannot update because n
[13:37] <edt> ot running under wrapper
[13:37] <edt> I am using the wrapper and it has sucessfully updated _many_ times
[13:38] <sandos> I got that too
[13:38] <sandos> I updated the wrapper, seemed to help
[13:39] <edt> me still think the wrapper is more trouble than its worth
[13:39] <sandos> my node is sending a lot less now... Im still getting loads of incoming data of course, but outgoing is down to its normal low levels
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[13:39] <edt> you can most of what it does with a script or two
[13:39] * edt just my opinion
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[13:40] <sandos> Payload Output: 52.6 MiB (4.79 KiBps) (66%) after 3 hours of uptime.. better than before :)
[13:41] <edt> actually the node is node is not starting here, last message is the one above "Cannot update... "
[13:44] <nextgens> edt> and you're using trunk ?
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[13:44] <nextgens> edt> stick the revelant lines of your wrapper.log onto a pastebin please
[13:44] <nextgens> edt> it's not the wrapper's fault ... I've updated freenet-ext.jar
[13:45] <nextgens> but I need to maintain backward compatibility
[13:45] <nextgens> please give me the log
[13:47] <edt> working
[13:47] <edt> on the log
[13:51] <edt> nextgens: http://dark-code.bulix.org/z31rqk-24650
[13:54] <edt> nextgens: may be my problem. Looks like it was using an old freenet-ext.jar
[13:54] <edt> testing
[13:58] <edt> something strange here. When I manually start freenet sees version 8 of -ext, the wrapper finds version -1... There is ONLY on version in my freenet dir tree and that is 8
[14:01] <nextgens> edt> but that doesn't prevent the node from starting, does it ?
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[14:08] <edt> looks like the wrapper started freenet and manually started freenet are looking for differently named jars...
[14:09] <edt> exactly what jars does the wrapper use and where does it expect them to be
[14:09] <nextgens> the wrapper uses freenet-ext.jar or .new depending on wrapper.conf
[14:09] <edt> I put freenet.jar and freenet-ext.jar in lib
[14:09] <nextgens> we need to use a workaround in order to swap "freenet-ext.jar"
[14:09] <nextgens> as it contains JNI libraries and the jvm is not gonna be happy if it can't access it
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[14:10] <nextgens> hence enabling the updater to work within a shell loop isn't as simple as adding a config option
[14:11] <nextgens> moreover we can't detect the shell loop ... unless we ask the user and pray for him to have done it well
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[14:13] <edt> ok - started under the wrapper here
[14:13] <Zothar> nextgens> Zothar> r11053 is awfully ineficient :/ <-- which part? getUnclaimedFIFOMessageCounts() is only called on demand from somebody wanting that stat (/stats/ page or maybe later via FCP) and the stuff added to StatisticsToadlet was because that's first way I could figure out how to convince Java to sort by the values of a Map (and then I added ther percentages)
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[14:14] <edt> what was happening was wrapper.conf pointed to an old freenet-ext.jar called freenet-ext.jar.new...
[14:14] <edt> nextgens looks like having and old freenet-ext.jar can stop the startup of 11056 under the wrapper
[14:15] <nextgens> that's what I wanted to know
[14:15] <nextgens> so I can't release 1000 until that's fixed
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[14:16] <nextgens> Zothar> sure ... but iterating that way is sub-optimized ... it would be better to increment a counter while creating the map imo
[14:17] <nextgens> Zothar> anyway: that's not that important :) agreed
[14:17] <edt> Nov 26, 2006 14:12:59:053 (freenet.io.comm.UdpSocketManager, PacketSender thread for 0, NORMAL): Error while sending packet to IP
[14:17] <edt> v6 address: 0:0:0:0:0:0:53e9:61d2%6:3478: java.net.SocketException: Protocol family unavailable
[14:18] <Zothar> the total counting in StatisticsToadlet? I don't figure it much matters where I do that since the loop it's in had to be there because of how I was doing the sorting
[14:18] <edt> is there a way to check for this - I have not build v6 into my kernel
[14:18] * Zothar continues reading backlog
[14:22] <Zothar> nextgens: see the HEAD command installed by the sarge package libwww-perl
[14:23] <Zothar> nextgens: BTW, I've a popularity contest based mirror checker in Python for checking freenet.jar; it doesn't parse out version numbers yet and I'll have to go by modify/creation times for some things without version numbers/etc. Gotta parse the HTML returned for that (or FTP dir listing on the one)
[14:25] <nextgens> Zothar> if we could fix the "node doesn't start with old freenet-ext" wrapper problems, I will release #1000
[14:25] <Zothar> will look when I catch up
[14:26] <nextgens> the best thing to do iirc is to handle it as I did
[14:26] <nextgens> disabling the wrapper
[14:26] <nextgens> I'm not sure what I commited the other day is effective
[14:27] <nextgens> maybe we shouldn't even register the config hooks
[14:27] <nextgens> hmm
[14:27] <nextgens> but we want people using #8 first edition to be able to use the updater
[14:27] * nextgens ought to have released #9 in fact
[14:30] <Zothar> does freenet-ext.jar auto-update yet? or is it suffering from the same problems we've seen recently for auto-updating freenet.jar?
[14:31] <nextgens> since 999 it ought to auto-updater
[14:31] <nextgens> -r
[14:31] <nextgens> but I haven't release an updated version with your changes
[14:31] <nextgens> +d
[14:31] <nextgens> anyway, I have to go back to work
[14:32] <Zothar> how far back of a frenet-ext.jar do we need to handle? how old was the one in edt's pastebin'd wrapper.log?
[14:32] <nextgens> dunno
[14:32] <Zothar> could bin/wrapper lib/wrapper.jar and lib/libwrapper.so and friends matter?
[14:33] <Zothar> did I understand correctly that once I've started a node with #8, I can't/shouldn't go back to #7 or below?
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[14:44] <edt> Zothar it was old reporting a version -1 - dated 2338087 2006-11-22 13:39 freenet-ext.jar.new (which can only be true if something tried to update it...)
[14:46] <edt> btw with v8 I did not see a message about amd64 not using the optimized native libs - the cpu use seems lower than normal too. I am just imaging this?
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[14:47] <Zothar> edt: do you still have the part of wrapper.log before what you pastebin'd? It mentions wrapper version mismatches right? Could you pastebin that too, just in case it matters? Thanks in advance
[14:48] <Zothar> nextgens: I'm currently bringing up one of my old nodes to try some testing on this stuff
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[14:58] <Zothar> ok, test node has a freenet-ext.jar that 991 identified as #6; recent build is getting an exception when trying to do the version match and is claiming it could be corrupted; investigating
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[15:05] <Grub_Now> phrosty
[15:05] <phrosty> Grub_Now
[15:05] <Grub_Now> are you cory?
[15:06] <phrosty> yes
[15:06] <Grub_Now> oh oh
[15:06] <Grub_Now> PhrostByte :D
[15:06] <Grub_Now> seen renski lately?
[15:06] <phrosty> he's in ##c sometimes
[15:06] <Grub_Now> uhh.. in bsrf?
[15:09] <phrosty> hes in there too
[15:12] <Zothar> nextgens: found the problem; our work around doesn't work because the variable we test for -2 comes from which -ext.jar it was compiled with instead of which is installed; hmm...
[15:12] <Zothar> may have to update freenet-ext.jar again; gonna thinking on this for a bit...
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[15:16] <_presto_> hi
[15:17] <_presto_> "When you first start Freenet 0.7 your node will not know any other nodes on the network, you need to connect to other nodes - at least three. Ideally you should find people you trust that are already part of the Freenet 0.7 network and connect to them, but if that isn't possible in the early stages of the Freenet 0.7 network you can try connecting to the irc server irc.freenode.net and join the channel #freenet-refs
[15:17] <_presto_> what should I do??
[15:17] <_presto_> o.O
[15:17] <Zothar> join the #freenet-refs channel and trade refs with some people there to get some peer connections
[15:19] <Zothar> nextgens: it's a hack, but I think I've found a solution; will test and commit if it works
[15:19] <_presto_> tks Zothar
[15:32] <Boefje> question i just reinstalled my OS. if i copy my old ini file and the cache files back to the new freenet install dir
[15:32] <Boefje> will this work?
[15:32] <Boefje> or do i have to collect all my nodes again?
[15:33] <Zothar> you'll need your peers-X file as well
[15:33] <Zothar> (that's where your peer info is stored)
[15:33] <Boefje> ok
[15:35] <Boefje> it worked :)
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[15:56] <CIA-14> zothar * r11057 /trunk/contrib/freenet_ext/ExtVersion.java: The freenet-ext.jar side of updated freenet-ext.jar version providing code, both build-time and run-time versions.
[16:05] <CIA-14> zothar * r11058 /trunk/contrib/freenet_ext/ExtVersion.java: doh: forgot to make buildNumber public
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[16:13] <Zothar> nextgens: my next commit is going to need to be built with the r11058 freenet-ext.jar
[16:13] <Zothar> (the build will probably break until that's updated)
[16:17] <CIA-14> zothar * r11059 /trunk/contrib/freenet_ext/ExtVersion.java: Replace @custom@ back into ExtVersion.java
[16:17] <Zothar> not that one :)
[16:32] <Zothar> edt: Try http://freenet.xzwq.net/freenet/drs_private_builds/freenet-drs-private-11059M.jar and let me know if has the problem still?
[16:32] <Zothar> bah, not here
[16:32] <Zothar> no wait, has op; perhaps I'll get that pseudo-permanently one of these days...
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[16:38] <Zothar> nextgens: I'll wait awhile before commiting the freenet.jar side updates so they can be auto-built with the new freenet-ext.jar; if after some hours or whatever, I've not heard from you, I'll just commit them anyway
[16:38] <Zothar> heh, had a space in that
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[18:08] <CIA-14> volodya * r11060 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/NodeStarter.java: Probably *should* be an accessor method, but it isn't
[18:10] <sandos> http://sandos.se/munin/sandserv/sandserv-ip_3478.html
[18:10] <sandos> well, even input bw is down now...
[18:11] <sandos> it took 3 hours+ for that to happen though
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[18:16] <Beta_M> how do i actually call a plugin
[18:16] <Beta_M> i'm figuring out (slowly) how to code it, but how do i execute that code?
[18:16] <Beta_M> (maybe a very silly question i know)
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[18:21] <Zothar> Beta_M: check the wiki for the SNMP and Librarion plugins (if you're coding to that API, since there's currently two APIs)
[18:22] <Zothar> Librarian
[18:25] <Beta_M> now i'm more confused
[18:26] <Beta_M> i can see that there is freenet.plugin and freenet.pluginmanager
[18:27] <Beta_M> i understand it that Librarian uses freenet.pluginmanager (from the freenet sourcecode)
[18:27] <Zothar> those are the two APIs
[18:28] <Beta_M> ok, i thought you were saying something else
[18:29] <Beta_M> so pluginmanager is the later one, correct?
[18:32] <Zothar> pluginmanager is the first API, then plugin was created (which is not satisfactory to the devs in some areas IIRC), but just to muddy things, Bombe (if I've got my names right) is supposed to be working on a third API which should be the one and only API once it's finished and all the relevant plugins are ported
[18:33] <sandos> =)
[18:33] <sandos> api-mess
[18:34] <Beta_M> ok, this makes it great to code for the api that you don't know anything about, except that it *will* be obsolete soon
[18:34] <Beta_M> </sarcasm>
[18:35] <Zothar> personally, I'd code for Librarian(pluginmanager) because it was first (and more blessed by the devs???) unless you gotta have a feature that only plugin provides :)
[18:36] <Beta_M> i just need a way to control get and post and what is displayed on the screen... i think what Librarian uses will be more than enough
[18:37] <Beta_M> and have i missed something about HTTP or "What is HTTP Put?"
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[18:56] <Zothar> Beta_M: I'm thinking it's a WEBDAV method
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[18:57] <Beta_M> something to investigate later... i think... q;-) thanks
[19:09] <CIA-14> zothar * r11061 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/NodeStarter.java:
[19:09] <CIA-14> freenet.jar side of updated freenet-ext.jar version providing code, both
[19:09] <CIA-14> build-time and run-time versions. This should fix the problem with the node not
[19:09] <CIA-14> starting with older version fo freenet-ext.jar. This code probably needs to be
[19:09] <CIA-14> _built_ with freenet-ext.jar r11059, but should _run_ with older versions of
[19:09] <CIA-14> freenet-ext.jar (I doubt nextgens has gotten back to update the version used by
[19:09] <CIA-14> the auto-builder yet.)
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[19:15] <Zothar> Those that would like to try r11061's changes can download a private build of it's changes from http://freenet.xzwq.net/freenet/drs_private_builds/freenet-drs-private-11059M.jar
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[19:49] <nextgens> Zothar> hi
[19:49] <Zothar> hi
[19:50] <Zothar> lemme know if you need anything
[19:50] <nextgens> Beta_M> what have you done in r11060 ?
[19:50] <nextgens> I'm trying to understand r11060 atm :)
[19:50] <Beta_M> i just removed () after the variable name
[19:50] <Zothar> r11060 was "fix" for a version problem I had already fixed, but not committed yet
[19:50] <Beta_M> it didn't compile, so i fixed the error
[19:50] <Zothar> as I read it
[19:51] <Zothar> Beta_M: you have an older freenet-ext.jar :)
[19:51] <Beta_M> do i?
[19:51] <Beta_M> q;-/
[19:51] <nextgens> or, so r11061 has reverted it, right ?
[19:51] <Zothar> nextgens: yes
[19:51] <Zothar> (and replaced the mechanism actually)
[19:51] <Beta_M> then why do some things do access method and others variable name?
[19:52] <nextgens> so in order : I release freenet-ext.jar #9
[19:52] <nextgens> then release #1000
[19:52] <nextgens> Beta_M> you've missed the point of the whole hack afaik :)
[19:52] <Zothar> Beta_M: variable name is provided by the freenet-ext.jar the freenet.jar was built with; access method is provided by the freenet-ext.jar the node is using at run-time
[19:52] <Zothar> nextgens: yeah, sounds good
[19:53] <Beta_M> ok
[19:53] * nextgens finishes reviewing commits
[19:56] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11062 /trunk/contrib/freenet_ext/ExtVersion.java: freenet-ext.jar : release #9 (no usefull change excepting the revision numbering one)
[20:01] <nextgens> FreenetLogBot> c'mon
[20:02] <nextgens> Zothar> may you test the new version with older jars please ?
[20:02] <Zothar> text the next freenet-ext.jar with older freenet.jars?
[20:02] <nextgens> no : the old freenet-ext with newer builds
[20:03] <Zothar> nextgens: did that already :)
[20:03] <nextgens> and it works ?
[20:03] <nextgens> ok
[20:03] <nextgens> coll
[20:03] <Zothar> I tested 11059 with freenet-ext.jar #6
[20:03] <nextgens> cool
[20:03] <Zothar> yeah
[20:03] * nextgens is gonna insert #9
[20:03] <nextgens> hmm
[20:03] <nextgens> maybe I should test it before
[20:03] <Zothar> (the revision number is that of the built with, but that's an artifact that will be fixed with newer -ext.jars)
[20:04] <nextgens> Zothar> may you test it too please ?
[20:04] * Zothar tests with one of his other nodes
[20:04] * Zothar brings Zothar70e temporarily out of mothballs
[20:05] <JustMe> Freenet-ext Build #-42(7) r-2
[20:05] <nextgens> ok, so it works I guess
[20:05] <nextgens> JustMe> are you using a testing build ?
[20:05] <JustMe> The one dated today.
[20:06] <nextgens> ok, so it's testing but not latest
[20:06] <nextgens> or something is brokne
[20:06] <nextgens> JustMe> may you try updating please ?
[20:06] <nextgens> * Total Output: 1.24 GiB (38.9 KiBps)
[20:06] <nextgens> * Payload Output: 211 MiB (6.43 KiBps) (16%)
[20:06] <nextgens> * Total Input: 492 MiB (15.0 KiBps)
[20:06] <nextgens> * Output Rate: 67.8 KiBps
[20:06] <nextgens> * Input Rate: 11.4 KiBps
[20:07] <nextgens> hmm
[20:07] <nextgens> it's better but there is still a problem
[20:08] * nextgens updates too
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[20:12] <nextgens> it works for me
[20:12] <nextgens> insert it on its way
[20:12] <Zothar> JustMe's line can probably be explained by a newer freenet-ext.jar but an older freenet.jar
[20:13] <nextgens> Zothar> the problem with that it that the updater is gonna keep on updating to a "newer freenet-ext" :/
[20:13] <nextgens> or worst : it's gonna be disabled because the revision number is invalid
[20:13] <Zothar> well, it should also keep trying to update to a newer freenet.jar, which would fix it
[20:14] <Zothar> (once 1000 is released and inserted)
[20:15] <nextgens> Zothar> still, my node kept on flooding one of its peer
[20:15] <nextgens> even with a "fixed" build
[20:15] <Zothar> flooding with what?
[20:15] <nextgens> I'm half convinced toad has smatched THE bug
[20:15] <nextgens> he smatched one :)
[20:16] <nextgens> Zothar> dunno : useless data I guess
[20:16] <Zothar> BTW, I've got a 11061 freenet.jar and a freenet-ext.jar Build #2 running
[20:16] <JustMe> Freenet 0.7 Build #999 r11062
[20:16] <JustMe> Freenet-ext Build #9 r11062
[20:16] <nextgens> ok, fine
[20:16] <JustMe> looks good now.
[20:16] <nextgens> Zothar> what about the updater now ?
[20:16] <Zothar> JustMe: It's the node dressed to the nines :)
[20:17] <nextgens> Zothar> has it been disabled by my hack ?
[20:17] <JustMe> ;)
[20:17] <nextgens> it shouldn't have been
[20:18] <nextgens> what we need to test is wether it will get disabled with a "broken" freenet-ext
[20:18] <Zothar> The really old freenet-ext.jar node: Initializing Node using freenet Build #999 r11059M and freenet-ext Build #2 r11059
[20:18] <Zothar> perhaps I should test with the #999 release
[20:18] <Zothar> (since I'm basically running 1000 ATM)
[20:19] <nextgens> that doesn't matter in fact
[20:19] <Zothar> so that'd be #999 and #8?
[20:19] <Zothar> or 999 and 7
[20:19] <nextgens> what we need to do is to test with #8 first version (the inserted one) and #1000
[20:19] <nextgens> 1) does it start
[20:19] <nextgens> 2) does the updater get disabled ?
[20:19] <Zothar> my previous old test node fetched 7, but never noticed 8 AFAIK
[20:20] <nextgens> it has been inserted iirc
[20:20] <nextgens> anyway : #9 is on the road :p
[20:21] <nextgens> in fact maybe I should remove my hack
[20:21] <nextgens> and release #1000
[20:21] <nextgens> that will force people to update their freenet-ext.jar to a sane version
[20:22] <nextgens> the node is not going to start with an old version
[20:23] <Zothar> nextgens: huh? My fixes should mean that a 1000 node should start with a rather old freenet-ext.jar all the way back to #2 at least (tested even)
[20:23] <nextgens> Zothar> I'm concerned by my hack on the updater now that I know your hack is fine :)
[20:23] <Zothar> I'm fixing to test 999 with 7, 8 and 9
[20:23] <nextgens> Zothar> won't it disable the updater ?
[20:24] <Zothar> perhaps I missed the updater bit that you're referring to
[20:24] * Zothar checks commit logs again
[20:24] <nextgens> Zothar> http://archives.freenetproject.org/message/20061125.001719.f86d380b.en.html
[20:24] <nextgens> Zothar> r11047
[20:25] <Zothar> that's if it doesn't think it's got the wrapper, rather than something in freenet-ext.jar, correct?
[20:25] <nextgens> in fact the method on Node tests both iirc
[20:25] * Zothar does some checking
[20:26] <nextgens> hmm
[20:26] <nextgens> no in fact it doesn't
[20:26] <nextgens> public boolean isUsingWrapper(){
[20:26] <nextgens> if(nodeStarter!=null && WrapperManager.isControlledByNativeWrapper())
[20:26] <nextgens> return true;
[20:26] <nextgens> else
[20:26] <nextgens> return false;
[20:26] <nextgens> }
[20:26] <nextgens> that's fine
[20:26] <nextgens> so it's probably safe
[20:27] <Zothar> so we're good?
[20:27] <nextgens> yep
[20:27] <nextgens> I'll release #1000
[20:27] * Zothar is testing 999 with 7+ momentarily
[20:27] <nextgens> I've inserted 10% of the -ext file
[20:28] <Zothar> looks, good; now against 8
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[20:31] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11063 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/Version.java: Freenet #1000: bugfix release
[20:32] <Zothar> what a commit message for such a "milestone-like" number... :)
[20:33] <nextgens> Zothar> well, if you've got something better for the mailing lists : say it right now
[20:33] <nextgens> maybe I shouldn't post any message yet
[20:33] <nextgens> :p
[20:33] <nextgens> hmm
[20:34] <nextgens> good idea : I won't for now ... I'll just insert it into the updater
[20:34] <Zothar> the mailing lists can be a summary; the unclaimedFIFOSize and message count stuff _might_ be interesting; I'm still testing 999 with 8 and 9, but I've got a very high confidence that it'll be "fine"
[20:35] <Zothar> well, I thought I was going to test with 8, but it didn't build for me, so I'll skip to 9
[20:36] <nextgens> it's too late anyway :p
[20:36] <nextgens> both jobs have been queued on my node
[20:36] <Zothar> hmm... ...now that bugs me since it should build for me as I made all the "functional" changes after that
[20:38] * nextgens has to go back to work
[20:38] <nextgens> I've got a report to do about project Manhattan
[20:38] <nextgens> fascinating :/
[20:38] <Zothar> better work on that then :)
[20:39] <nextgens> it's due for tuesday and I've barely started
[20:40] <Zothar> heh
[20:42] <Zothar> BTW, the freenet-ext.jar updater stuff should probably make a provision for the freenet-ext.jar.new to be copied to freenet-ext.jar after a restart so the wrapper.conf can be changed back to "normal" after the after-update-restart
[20:46] <Zothar> 999 is good with 8+r11024's build.xml fix (which I assume wasn't needed to build the 8 that was inserted)
[20:46] <Zothar> now for 999 with 9
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[20:48] <Zothar> Started as freenet Build #999 r11030 and freenet-ext Build #-42 r@custom@ and updater looks good:
[20:48] <Zothar> INFO | jvm 1 | 2006/11/26 14:47:09 | Found new freenet-ext.jar update edition -1
[20:48] <Zothar> INFO | jvm 1 | 2006/11/26 14:47:10 | Found new freenet-ext.jar update edition 7
[20:48] <manchester2048> can you empty your global queue, rather than deleting each entry?
[20:49] <Zothar> I think the panic button might do that, but I'm not sure and I'm not sure what else it does; other than that, I don't think there's a delete all feature at the moment; perhaps Thaw will give you an easier front end to do something like that?
[20:49] <Zothar> (and I've only heard of the panic button on the /queue/ page; never seen it and never looked for it)
[20:50] <manchester2048> hmm, ok thanks
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[20:50] <manchester2048> yea, that's what i was looking for
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[21:08] <_presto_> why my bookmarks are so slow?? o.O
[21:10] <Zothar> same reasons other fetches are slow; perhaps you're not well connected with the primary darknet "cloud" yet?
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[23:11] <CIA-14> zothar * r11064 /trunk/apps/pyFreenet/refbot.py: refbot: Oops, didn't mean for the python version specific bit to get in there
[23:25] <Zothar> bbl
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