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[0:03] <nextgens> hmm
[0:03] <nextgens> I wonder whether wrapper changes have broken things
[0:03] <nextgens> sandos> have you solved your problem ?
[0:04] <nextgens> sandos> have you tried updating your freenet-ext.jar ?
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[0:17] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11047 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/updater/NodeUpdaterManager.java: Don't try to start the updater if we aren't running under the wrapper.
[0:17] <nextgens> sandos> try r11047 otherwise
[0:19] <nextgens> toad_> my node is experiencing the b/w bug
[0:19] <nextgens> toad_> what should I do ?
[0:20] <nextgens> toad_> would a thread dump be helpfull ?
[0:20] <nextgens> Freenet 0.7 Build #999 r11039
[0:22] <nextgens> toad_> are you around ?
[0:22] <nextgens> if so, I'll switch to a more verbose loglevel
[0:22] <nextgens> and might produce logs
[0:22] <nextgens> otherwise, I'll just update and go to bed
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[0:25] <nextgens> hmm
[0:25] <nextgens> it's not producing anything usefull
[0:25] * nextgens restarts and update
[0:27] <nextgens> will see tomorrow anyway
[0:27] <nextgens> bbl
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[1:11] <toad_> mozillaman: i didn't say that, volodya said that
[1:12] <mozillaman> toad_: Oh
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[1:58] <electro> hello
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[5:34] <Plantain> Hey, I'm having issues with freenet on OSX
[5:34] <Plantain> I've installed and started freenet, but I can't connect to 127.0.0.1:8888
[5:35] <Plantain> Ahh, never mind
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[5:56] <mizery_guts> anyone got freemail running?
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[6:09] <P4C0> hello guys... is the autoupdate working???
[6:10] <P4C0> I have node 944 and homepage of my node say there's a new version (999) but it seems that it never finish to download it...
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[6:12] * P4C0 running update.sh now...
[6:17] <Ralith> autoupdate doesn't work if you're that out o fdate
[6:17] <Ralith> out of date*
[6:19] <Ralith> you have to have at least version 990
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[6:22] <P4C0> Ralith, I thought it was 994... not sure... anyways manual update when ok
[6:23] <P4C0> went
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[8:32] <sandos> well, with r11046 seems to be using much much less bw!
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[8:33] <sandos> overhead is down too
[8:36] <sandos> wow browsing indicia is way fast
[8:36] <sandos> I guess I have most of it cached already
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[8:39] <sandos> holy crap, everything is fast ;)
[8:40] <sandos> I guess having 50GB store and running 24/7 for a few months actually help ;)
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[8:42] <sandos> aha, hit ratio includes my own hits!
[8:42] <sandos> thats why I always get very low numbers I guess, since I almost never actually use my node
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[8:47] <Ralith> heh
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[9:08] <_ph00> nodes SanityMBP and teasel seem to be down since 1.5 and 4 days respectively. Is it me? Or are they really down?
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[9:20] <electrosy> Hi hello
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[10:31] <nextgens> toad_> hi
[10:31] <nextgens> toad_> I've got loads of Nov 25, 2006 10:31:09:090 (freenet.node.PeerNode, PacketSender thread for 0, NORMAL): Requeueing 4 messages because of 'WouldBlockException(2)' on freenet.node.PeerNode@9351561e@82.245.184.8:47509@e6fdacdbb4feff1258ded794675eaab66ba6413ca62604ac5443b3ff93ac403d
[10:32] <nextgens> * Total Output: 1.23 GiB (35.4 KiBps)
[10:32] <nextgens> * Payload Output: 189 MiB (5.32 KiBps) (15%)
[10:32] <nextgens> * Total Input: 642 MiB (18.0 KiBps)
[10:32] <nextgens> * Output Rate: 46.2 KiBps
[10:32] <nextgens> * Input Rate: 9.62 KiBps
[10:32] <toad_> nextgens: only on one specific node?
[10:32] <nextgens> most of the trafic is going to one node yes
[10:32] <toad_> and that one node has disconnected or something, so traffic is backed up
[10:32] <toad_> ok
[10:32] <toad_> we can look at this later, i gotta go
[10:32] <toad_> cya
[10:33] <nextgens> cya
[10:34] <nextgens> Nov 25, 2006 10:33:58:502 (freenet.io.comm.UdpSocketManager, Completion waiter for -8289940459649116145, NORMAL): Dropping unclaimed from 82.32.17.1:24374, lived 1h (age): packetTransmit {packetNo=21, data=Buffer {1024}, sent=11111111000000000000011111111111, uid=-7683431154905805675}
[10:34] <nextgens> Nov 25, 2006 10:33:58:502 (freenet.io.comm.UdpSocketManager, Completion waiter for -8289940459649116145, NORMAL): Dropping unclaimed from 82.32.17.1:24374, lived 1h (age): packetTransmit {packetNo=30, data=Buffer {1024}, sent=11111111000000000000000000000011, uid=-7683431154905805675}
[10:34] <nextgens> Nov 25, 2006 10:33:58:503 (freenet.io.comm.UdpSocketManager, Completion waiter for -8289940459649116145, NORMAL): Dropping unclaimed from 82.32.17.1:24374, lived 1h (age): packetTransmit {packetNo=9, data=Buffer {1024}, sent=11111111011111111111111111111111, uid=-7683431154905805675}
[10:34] <nextgens> Nov 25, 2006 10:33:58:503 (freenet.io.comm.UdpSocketManager, Completion waiter for -8289940459649116145, NORMAL): Dropping unclaimed from 82.32.17.1:24374, lived 1h (age): packetTransmit {packetNo=8, data=Buffer {1024}, sent=11111111111111111111111111111111, uid=-7683431154905805675}
[10:34] <nextgens> are they the same or am I dreaming ?
[10:35] <nextgens> the n? is different but everything else matches
[10:37] <nextgens> hmm
[10:37] <nextgens> that's probably something else
[10:37] <nextgens> but the wouldBlockException is on the peer I'm flooding
[10:38] <nextgens> it might be the rate-limiter who matters in fact
[10:38] <nextgens> now it's limiting and requeuing everything
[10:38] <nextgens> Nov 25, 2006 10:38:25:225 (freenet.node.PeerNode, PacketSender thread for 0, NORMAL): Requeueing 268 messages because of 'WouldBlockException(3)' on freenet.node.PeerNode@9351561e@82.245.184.8:47509@e6fdacdbb4feff1258ded794675eaab66ba6413ca62604ac5443b3ff93ac403d (rate limited)
[10:38] <nextgens> and it increases
[10:38] <nextgens> Nov 25, 2006 10:38:26:233 (freenet.node.PeerNode, PacketSender thread for 0, NORMAL): Requeueing 274 messages because of 'WouldBlockException(3)' on freenet.node.PeerNode@9351561e@82.245.184.8:47509@e6fdacdbb4feff1258ded794675eaab66ba6413ca62604ac5443b3ff93ac403d (rate limited)
[10:39] <nextgens> hmm
[10:40] <nextgens> it's re-handshaking on a periodic basis
[10:41] <nextgens> ok, so first it thows WouldBlockExceptions
[10:42] <nextgens> then WouldBlockExceptions-rate-limited
[10:42] <nextgens> and then it re-handshakes or at least change the keyTracker
[10:45] <nextgens> toad_> it seems you're right : we "flood" it, then it disconnects and we re-handshake
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[10:49] <nextgens> hmm
[10:50] <nextgens> and yes, his node is backed of
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[10:53] <electrosy> Hello.
[11:00] <toad_> nextgens: it disconnects because we flood it?
[11:00] <toad_> nextgens: the theory i had was the other way around
[11:00] <toad_> nextgens: it disconnects, we keep sending packets until we fill up the maximum window (256 packets)
[11:00] <toad_> then these are resent every fourRTTs (or was it something shorter?)
[11:01] <toad_> fourRTTs is only a second or so, so that results in us flooding the link
[11:01] <toad_> however i'm not sure that that's true; don't we only resend a packet if we're asked for it?
[11:02] <toad_> *if* i'm right, then the problem is the lack of proper congestion control
[11:02] <toad_> but i'm not sure i am now
[11:02] <nextgens> toad_> it seems that they are two different bugs
[11:02] <toad_> find out what kind of packets are being sent
[11:02] <nextgens> your latest theory seems to be right
[11:02] <nextgens> we queue up to 256 messages
[11:02] <toad_> well, it's the node which gets the WouldBlockException that we flood, right?
[11:02] <nextgens> and send them right away after the new keytracker is set
[11:02] <nextgens> yes
[11:03] <toad_> and the flooding occurs before or after the WouldBlock's?
[11:03] <nextgens> hmm
[11:03] <nextgens> let me see
[11:03] <toad_> i mean, is it the cause or the effect of the flood?
[11:03] <toad_> and does the flood go away once we've sent all our messages, or do we keep on sending them indefinitely?
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[11:03] <nextgens> atm it's requeueing messages (130)
[11:04] <toad_> anything which is queued and gets WouldBlock isn't sent, because we don't have a packet number for it
[11:04] <nextgens> how could I ceck it ?
[11:04] <toad_> only stuff which already had a packet number assigned to it can be resent while we are blocking
[11:04] <nextgens> ok, now it has re-handshaked
[11:05] <nextgens> Nov 25, 2006 11:04:47:869 (freenet.io.xfer.BlockTransmitter, RequestHandler for UID 1380297426219715676, ERROR): Terminating send 1380297426219715676 to freenet.node.PeerNode@9351561e@82.245.184.8:47509@e6fdacdbb4feff1258ded794675eaab66ba6413ca62604ac5443b3ff93ac403d from 13783 as we haven't heard from receiver in 1m48s.
[11:05] <toad_> nextgens: can you also determine if the node actually went down? did its boot ID change?
[11:05] <toad_> or did it just reconnect for some other reason?
[11:05] <toad_> nextgens: the reason i have for skepticism on my latest theory is i think we don't actually do push-retransmit
[11:06] <toad_> we send a request-a-retransmit after a period, and we retransmit only if we get such requests
[11:06] <toad_> i think
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[11:06] <nextgens> bootid
[11:06] <toad_> what we should do is do push-retransmit after four RTTs (with no arbitrary limits, but the retransmits stored under their transmission time rather than their retransmission time so we can adapt to changing RTTs)
[11:07] <toad_> BUT with low-level congestion control
[11:07] <nextgens> bootID: 6967043973274745407
[11:07] <toad_> specifically with a proper congestion window
[11:07] <nextgens> bootID: 6967043973274745407
[11:07] <nextgens> it doesn't restart
[11:07] <toad_> okay
[11:07] <nextgens> but we do renegociate a keytracker
[11:07] <toad_> so that isn't it
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[11:07] <toad_> so we are flooding it before we renegotiate
[11:07] <toad_> see what you can find out, i'm sorry but i have to go
[11:08] <nextgens> I'll go soon too
[11:08] <nextgens> :/
[11:08] <toad_> ok
[11:08] <nextgens> will you be around later today ?
[11:08] <toad_> well keep logs on a reasonably low level
[11:08] <toad_> node.FNP:minor at least
[11:08] <toad_> node:minor preferably
[11:08] <toad_> yes
[11:08] <toad_> later
[11:09] <nextgens> ok, cya then
[11:09] <toad_> and set your max logs size big :)
[11:09] <toad_> so you don't lose older logs
[11:09] <toad_> if it resolves itself
[11:11] <toad_> finding out why it disconnects would be very interesting...
[11:11] <toad_> bbl
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[11:40] <sleon> programmer == scientist?
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[14:54] <saces> hi. ping Beta_m?
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[16:03] <blaaah> how do you download a file in freenet?
[16:04] <blaaah> it just says waiting for localhost
[16:04] <blaaah> is this normal?
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[16:14] <hobx_> clever program:
[16:14] <hobx_> try to close a compose window, and Thunderbird goes: This email has not been saved, do you want to save it to drafts? Ok, Cancel
[16:15] <hobx_> Cancel cancels the close
[16:16] <phrosty> hehe
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[19:08] <electrosy> I left my node on when i went to sleep last night. but it seems that the java and wrapper closed down while i was sleeping, anyone know why?
[19:08] <electrosy> also , even with the java and wrapper closed. i was still having network activity like i was connected.
[19:08] <electrosy> anyone konw why that is?
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[20:11] <newbie> hi
[20:11] <newbie> i need some help with the installation
[20:11] <newbie> freenet 0.7 doesn't install correctly
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[20:11] <newbie> also the uninstaller doesn't work
[20:12] <newbie> also the windows uninstaller doesn't work
[20:12] <newbie> i don't have any exe files in the freenet directory and no program folder in the start menu
[20:13] <newbie> if i try to intall over it then it says a version is already installed
[20:13] <newbie> so what should id do?
[20:13] <electrosy> yea,
[20:13] <newbie> don't wanna have a zombie installation, junk that is never used
[20:13] <electrosy> newbie, just say yes. what that message is telling you is that the uninstall key will be called ... -1 or whatever.
[20:13] <newbie> is there a way to remove a corrupu installation?
[20:14] <electrosy> its no biggie, just go ahead and install again.
[20:14] <newbie> install over it?
[20:14] <electrosy> yea.
[20:14] <newbie> i had the same problem before
[20:14] <electrosy> hmm, so you have tried to install multiple times already?
[20:14] <newbie> then i have 2 entries in the system settings/software under windows
[20:14] <electrosy> right.
[20:14] <newbie> no
[20:14] <newbie> i cancelled the 2nd one
[20:15] <electrosy> ok, go ahead and go for it again.
[20:15] <electrosy> i had the same problem.
[20:15] <newbie> because i have a clean windows(installed last week); don't wanna fill it up with dead files already
[20:16] <newbie> also if there is any developer in here
[20:16] <electrosy> right i see what your saying. i think when you goto uninstall the second sucessful install it will uninstall the old one.
[20:16] <newbie> in the last step after installation
[20:16] <newbie> it says something about registering files
[20:16] <electrosy> but i see what your saying, im not sure how to get rid of that old stuff that was unseccussful.
[20:16] <newbie> and there is a quit button
[20:16] <newbie> i waited for like 10 minutes and nothing happened
[20:16] <electrosy> right.
[20:17] <newbie> if the installation is done the button should be called finish, shouldn't it and not quit
[20:17] <electrosy> you have to allow the installer trhough your fire wall if you got the web install.
[20:17] <electrosy> well the Next button becomes active.
[20:18] <newbie> noo it didn't become actice
[20:18] <newbie> active
[20:18] <newbie> so that wasn't the end of the installation then i guess
[20:18] <newbie> nothing happened for 10 min
[20:18] <newbie> what should i do? install over it?
[20:18] <newbie> there is an uninstall.jar
[20:19] <newbie> when i click on that a small uninstall windows opens but clicking on the uninstall button of if doesn't do anything
[20:19] <electrosy> right i know.
[20:19] <electrosy> i would just install again and see what happens.
[20:20] <electrosy> thats my idea though, cause i have to entrys for freenet also in my add/remove programs.
[20:20] <electrosy> you gotta make sure though that your installer is allowd to access the internet.
[20:20] <newbie> exactly, i also had two entries in my old windows
[20:21] <newbie> so it seems everybody has the same problem
[20:21] <newbie> :(
[20:21] <newbie> ok
[20:21] <newbie> will try again
[20:21] <newbie> can't be helped
[20:21] <electrosy> yea, its still new 0.7 its not even up to 1.0 yet.
[20:22] <electrosy> check the forums online. cause the chat rooms here for freenet are small.
[20:22] <newbie> ok
[20:22] <newbie> same problem
[20:22] <newbie> it is hung agian
[20:22] <electrosy> damn, yea, im not
[20:22] <newbie> it says processing
[20:23] <electrosy> hmm. let it go for a while.
[20:23] <newbie> and there is a quit button
[20:23] <electrosy> right, but no Next button huh?
[20:23] <newbie> how long?
[20:23] <newbie> 30 min?
[20:23] <electrosy> sure. but mine only took about 5 to install if that.
[20:23] <electrosy> do you have a firewall?
[20:23] <newbie> but i have a 10 mb connection
[20:23] <newbie> what is going on?
[20:23] <electrosy> not sure, exactly.
[20:24] <electrosy> your gonna need to find the forums for freenet. or look at the wiki at freenetproject.org
[20:24] <newbie> ok now it is moving
[20:24] <electrosy> i wish i could help you more,
[20:24] <newbie> it is downloading frost?
[20:24] <electrosy> ok cool, yea i would give it a while, before you jump to conclusions. cause the software is still in development.
[20:24] <electrosy> im not sure.
[20:24] <newbie> jump to conlusions?
[20:24] <newbie> i waited for 10 min last time
[20:25] <newbie> ;)
[20:25] <newbie> slow jump
[20:25] <newbie> does frost come with freenet now?
[20:25] <newbie> i read on the homepage that there is an extra section under tools
[20:26] <newbie> does it have an auto update function?
[20:26] <newbie> or how do i update it?
[20:27] <sich> you need to activate the auto update fonction in the configuration section of fproxy
[20:27] <sich> you can run the script called update.sh (on linux) to update the node
[20:27] <newbie> fproxy is running
[20:27] <newbie> where is that option?
[20:28] <sich> you should have a similar script on windows
[20:28] <sich> look here : http://127.0.0.1:8888/config/#node.updater
[20:29] <toad_> hi
[20:29] <sich> hi toad_
[20:29] <toad_> sleon: programmer is closer to engineer in general than scientist
[20:29] <newbie> ok
[20:29] <newbie> thx
[20:30] <newbie> how do i know freenet is running? i don't see any icon in the systray
[20:30] <newbie> how do i stop it?
[20:30] <sich> you don't have icon on systray....
[20:30] <sich> go to http://127.0.0.1
[20:30] <sich> go to http://127.0.0.1:8888
[20:30] <newbie> never mind
[20:30] <newbie> in the start menu there is start/stop node
[20:31] <sich> you can stop the node with fproxy ( http://127.0.0.1:8888 )
[20:31] <newbie> how?
[20:31] <sich> I don't use freenet on windows sorry
[20:31] <electrosy> scroll down, and explore your Fproxy.
[20:31] <electrosy> click on the different links on the top left. and explore.
[20:31] <electrosy> and read the stuff on freenetproject.org
[20:31] <sich> you should have a script on the freenet directory... run.bat
[20:31] <sich> on linux it's run.sh
[20:32] <sich> on linux it's ./run.sh stop.... you should have something similar on windows
[20:32] <newbie> i am gonna use the start menu
[20:32] <newbie> seems the easiest
[20:32] <newbie> so i have to exchange nodes now i guess
[20:33] <sich> yes
[20:33] <sich> you need to go here http://127.0.0.1:8888/darknet/
[20:33] <newbie> ok
[20:33] <newbie> i am in the ref channel
[20:33] <newbie> hope i can find anybody
[20:33] <newbie> ;)
[20:33] <sich> yes
[20:33] <newbie> thx for the help
[20:33] <newbie> read a lot about freenet
[20:34] <sich> I have to many peers, I can't exchange new refs
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[20:36] <sich> toad_, some of peers wich I am connected try connect with me on others ports that my node....
[20:36] <electrosy> why do i end up with backed off nodes?
[20:36] <sich> it's freenet or something other ?
[20:37] <sich> http://wiki.freenetproject.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[20:37] <sich> search for backed off :)
[20:39] <sich> brb
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[20:49] <nextgens> hi
[20:49] <nextgens> hey toad_
[20:49] <nextgens> bug me if you want my node's logs
[20:49] <nextgens> I won't be able to investigate it myself : I gotta work this WE
[20:49] <toad_> nextgens: hmmm
[20:50] <toad_> nextgens: logs would be nice
[20:50] <toad_> nextgens: upload them to servalan please
[20:50] <toad_> there's 7.9GB, tell me if you need more
[20:51] <nextgens> toad_> those logs are for your eyes only
[20:51] <nextgens> 34M
[20:51] <toad_> nextgens: i hope there isn't any evidence of criminal activity in these logs
[20:52] <nextgens> there isn't
[20:52] <toad_> nextgens: if i were to run into some by accident, it would be a problem...
[20:52] <newbie> one question
[20:52] <toad_> ok
[20:52] <newbie> that freenet datastore gets quite gib right?
[20:52] <newbie> big
[20:52] <toad_> but what you mean is i can't post logs including IP addresses on bugs.freenetproject.org
[20:52] <newbie> i would like to move that to a different partition and not have it on C:
[20:52] <toad_> if i have to i should set the private flag
[20:52] <newbie> is that possible?
[20:52] <toad_> newbie: yes iirc
[20:53] <toad_> newbie: go to config, turn on advanced darknet (under fproxy)
[20:53] <toad_> then look for node.storeDir
[20:54] <nextgens> toad_> it's uploading into /tmp on servalan
[20:54] <nextgens> sent 7761369 bytes received 5542 bytes 443823.49 bytes/sec
[20:54] <nextgens> done
[20:54] <toad_> okay
[20:54] <toad_> move it to your home directory
[20:55] <nextgens> done
[20:55] <nextgens> ~nextgens/logs
[20:56] <toad_> ok
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[20:57] * nextgens goes back to work
[20:57] <nextgens> lurk *loud* if you need anything from me :D
[20:58] <newbie> toad_: you mean Store directory ?
[20:58] <newbie> there is a textbox with only a dot in it
[21:00] <toad_> newbie: yes, that's a directory
[21:00] <toad_> "." means "the current directory"
[21:00] <toad_> you can change it to something else
[21:00] <newbie> which is?
[21:00] <toad_> however you will probably have to shut down the node, then edit freenet.ini manually
[21:01] <toad_> put in node.storeDir=<new directory>
[21:03] <MineHaunter> what files do I need to move
[21:03] <MineHaunter> to move the store to another dir?
[21:03] <newbie> toad_
[21:03] <newbie> in windows format?
[21:03] <newbie> or linux
[21:04] <newbie> i mean c:\
[21:04] <newbie> c:/
[21:04] <toad_> windows format
[21:04] <newbie> ok
[21:04] <toad_> c:\blah\blah\blah
[21:04] <newbie> thx
[21:05] <MineHaunter> (btw, default store dir should be ./store or something like that... why mix up all the files?)
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[21:05] <CIA-14> mrogers * r11048 /trunk/apps/load-balancing-sims/phase7/sim/ (15 files in 2 dirs): Logging changes: don't waste time building strings that won't be printed
[21:05] <newbie> what do you mean mix up the files
[21:05] <newbie> ?
[21:05] <newbie> i don't want the store on windows
[21:05] <newbie> on c: i mean
[21:06] <newbie> defrags my c partition and makes it slow
[21:12] <newbie> i opened the freenet.ini
[21:12] <newbie> looks like garbage
[21:12] <newbie> can i not open it with a normal text editor?
[21:15] <newbie> anybody there?
[21:18] <electrosy> hi.
[21:19] <electrosy> you mean frags...
[21:19] <electrosy> defrag is good frag is bad.
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[21:35] <NullAcht15> has anybody found out why build 999 has this erratic behaviour concerning bandwidth usage?
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[21:37] <newbie> ppplllleease how can i move the datastore=
[21:37] <newbie> ?
[21:40] <electrosy> newbie: im not sure myself.
[21:40] <NullAcht15> newbie: what exactly do you mean with moving the store? Your store is made up by a few files with names like chk-<portnumber>.store, chk-<portnumber>.cache, ssk-<portnumber>.cache and ssk-<portnumber>.store in your freenet directory. You can move these files anywhere you want
[21:41] <electrosy> he wants to store them in a different place.
[21:41] <electrosy> so they are not on his windows drive.
[21:41] <electrosy> he is worred his windows drive will get all fragged up.
[21:42] <newbie> also space
[21:42] <newbie> i have tons of room
[21:42] <newbie> like a free 20 GB partition
[21:42] <newbie> i want the store there
[21:42] <newbie> not on my c: drive
[21:42] <newbie> i opened the freenet.ini
[21:43] <newbie> but there is only junk, can not edit there
[21:43] <NullAcht15> newbie: I don't know about windows, but in linux/unix you can simply move the whole freenet dir to a different location and run it from there
[21:43] <NullAcht15> even a different computer
[21:51] <Aranjedeath> but thats *nix
[21:52] <Aranjedeath> its portable like that
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[22:15] <lat> about the bandwidth problem ... is it about ignoring the limit which is set in the configuration? ... simple yes or no is enough :) ... because my limit is ignored and yesterday when I started all seemed to be ok
[22:16] <lat> upload limit
[22:21] <lat> newbie: maybe a solution would to change "." in <Store directory> to "D:\directory_you_want" after you copied all files to the new place ... but I'm also on linux, so I don't know if this would work
[22:21] <lat> over the webinterface
[22:26] <toad_> lat: the basic problem is that it ignores the limit set
[22:26] <toad_> lat: the other symptom is that the payload % is very low
[22:26] <toad_> i.e. under 50%
[22:28] <lat> toad_: thx
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[22:35] <toad_> bbiab
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[23:10] <nextgens> the alpha3 of frost has been released :)
[23:11] <mizery_guts> what advantage has it over the stable release of frost?
[23:11] <ralith_> threading, for one
[23:11] <ralith_> support for multiple identities
[23:11] <mizery_guts> that is useful
[23:11] <ralith_> yeah
[23:11] <nextgens> freenet:CHK@FD1rP2m788Z13YEh5nIqhJ63-RwKIlsKxl1Zz4BV38A,UXg2df1Gl97XMPXYqNDu9Lpr-GFM20zson7Sck28CbA,AAEC--8/frost-24-Nov-2006.zip
[23:12] <ralith_> also, it deals with large numbers of messages better
[23:12] <nextgens> still, it's alpha
[23:12] <ralith_> godamnit!
[23:12] <ralith_> it's got the same problem the old frost had
[23:12] <ralith_> it doesn't load the gui
[23:14] <ralith_> help?
[23:14] <mizery_guts> how do I download it?
[23:14] <ralith_> anyone?
[23:14] <mizery_guts> all I get when putting in the key is
[23:14] <mizery_guts> The Freenet key you requested refers to a large file. Files of this size cannot generally be sent directly to your browser since they take too long for your Freenet node to retrieve. The following options are available:
[23:15] <mizery_guts> Fetch anyway and display in file browser
[23:15] <mizery_guts> Download in background and store in downloads directory
[23:15] <nextgens> toad_> are you around ?
[23:16] <NullAcht15> mizery_guts: well, choose one of the two options. Both will work, I'd recommend storing in downloads directory, though
[23:17] <mizery_guts> and how do I retrieve it later
[23:17] <ralith_> I get this window
[23:17] <ralith_> with the right title
[23:17] <ralith_> and icon
[23:17] <mizery_guts> never downloaded anything with freenet
[23:17] <ralith_> but no content
[23:17] <ralith_> it's just a grey box
[23:18] <NullAcht15> mizery_guts: when it's finished dowloading, you'll find the file in th downloads directory in your freenet directory. The name might be garbled, though
[23:19] <nextgens> :w
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[23:19] <nextgens> :source ~/.vimrc
[23:19] <nextgens> hrmmm
[23:19] <nextgens> sorry
[23:19] <ralith_> wrong window, nextgens :P
[23:22] <mizery_guts> ugh! vi
[23:22] <mizery_guts> never could get used to that editor
[23:22] <sich> a +
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[23:22] <mizery_guts> stuck with emacs :)
[23:23] <mizery_guts> much more intuitive
[23:23] <NullAcht15> what? emacs? intuitive? In the same sentence?
[23:23] <nextgens> beeing not able to use it doesn't mean it's any better
[23:23] <nextgens> NullAcht15> ;)
[23:24] <nextgens> my keyboard was missing a treadle to use emacs anyway
[23:24] <nextgens> so I didn't have any choice but to learn how to use vim ;)
[23:24] <NullAcht15> but let's not start an editor flamewar, there have been enough of those in the last, oh, 20 years
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[23:25] <nextgens> has someone managed to get frost yet ?
[23:25] <NullAcht15> yes
[23:25] * nextgens has a "Too many path components" error
[23:25] <Mancheste> hi everyone
[23:25] <Mancheste> excuse me, may i ask, does anyone use ProE here?
[23:25] <ralith_> I'v egot it
[23:25] <ralith_> but it's not working
[23:25] <nextgens> I'll restart my node
[23:25] <ralith_> and nobody's willing to offer remote advice
[23:25] <nextgens> too bad toad isn't around
[23:26] <ralith_> it's weird
[23:26] <ralith_> terminal output seems like it's working
[23:26] <ralith_> lots of verbose info on downloading stuff
[23:27] <ralith_> and it closes cleanly when I hit the button on the window head
[23:27] <NullAcht15> Mancheste: what is ProE and what makes you think this channel is a good place to ask?
[23:28] <ralith_> must be a config problem
[23:28] <ralith_> I'll start it clean
[23:28] <Mancheste> NullAcht15 its a program. I found on google.com some log about proe conversation here
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[23:29] <ralith_> damnit
[23:29] <ralith_> that doesn't work either
[23:30] <mizery_guts> the only proE I get for chat is for ICQ
[23:30] <Mancheste> ???
[23:31] <ralith_> ....
[23:31] <mizery_guts> could you give a link Mancheste?
[23:31] <mizery_guts> to where you found it on google?
[23:31] <Mancheste> i typed ''pro engineer irc''
[23:32] <mizery_guts> LOL it is a CAD/CAM program
[23:32] <nextgens> CAD/CAM ?
[23:32] * nextgens knows what pro engineer is but doesn't know the english acronym for it
[23:32] <Mancheste> yes
[23:33] <nextgens> ComputerAssistedDesign ?
[23:33] <mizery_guts> I figure so
[23:33] <ralith_> Mancheste, this is the wrong place and I doubt there's a right place
[23:34] <ralith_> and you won't find it if you look for it like that
[23:34] <nextgens> mizery_guts> what does CAD/CAM stands for ?
[23:34] <nextgens> -s
[23:34] <mizery_guts> Computer aided design/Computer aided manufacture
[23:34] <Mancheste> what is going on here
[23:34] <ralith_> try looking at the topic :P
[23:34] <mizery_guts> programs like autocad
[23:35] <nextgens> ah ok
[23:35] <nextgens> the verb is aid
[23:35] <mizery_guts> :)
[23:36] <mizery_guts> Mancheste this is about a program to stop censorship
[23:36] <Mancheste> ah noncracked programs?
[23:36] <mizery_guts> not much CAD stuff done here
[23:37] <nextgens> Mancheste> it's not about programs at all
[23:37] <mizery_guts> I am sure there is lots of pirated stuff flying around
[23:37] <mizery_guts> anti-censorship seems to attract pirates
[23:37] <nextgens> :/
[23:37] <Mancheste> about what then
[23:38] <mizery_guts> this program is a bit like bit-torrent
[23:38] <nextgens> mizery_guts> it's about freedoms
[23:38] <nextgens> Mancheste> http://freenetproject.org/philosophy.html
[23:38] <Mancheste> philosophy omg
[23:38] <ralith_> ...
[23:38] <Mancheste> aristotel, platon,... uou they were big guys
[23:39] <mizery_guts> LOL
[23:39] * ralith_ chokes back laughter
[23:39] <blaaah> has anyone here tried freemulet?
[23:40] <nextgens> blaaah> yes
[23:40] <blaaah> any good?
[23:40] <blaaah> i assume its meant to be like emule
[23:41] <nextgens> it sucks
[23:41] <nextgens> it's broken by design
[23:41] <ralith_> heh
[23:41] <blaaah> oh
[23:41] <nextgens> but I heard it's doing its job
[23:41] <blaaah> i see 4 clients but noone is sharing
[23:41] <nextgens> in spite of beeing based on a "bad" conception
[23:41] <Mancheste> hmm
[23:41] <blaaah> whats so broken about it?
[23:41] <nextgens> its design
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[23:42] <nextgens> it's duplicating node's efforts
[23:42] <blaaah> the interface or the code?
[23:42] <blaaah> ok
[23:42] <nextgens> performing unecessary operations, breaking compatibility with other programs
[23:43] <blaaah> i see
[23:43] <toad_> nextgens:
[23:43] <toad_> nextgens: hi
[23:43] <toad_> nextgens: anything you want to talk to me about?
[23:43] <toad_> i apologize for not being on much this week...
[23:44] <nextgens> toad_> I was willing to know whether my node's logs have helped you
[23:44] <nextgens> and whether I should go on and continue logging or change the loglevel
[23:44] <toad_> i don't know yet, sorry
[23:44] <nextgens> :)
[23:44] <toad_> minor is good
[23:44] <toad_> or freenet.node:minor
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[23:45] <nextgens> that's what I used
[23:45] <nextgens> hmmm, edt has just posted on @devl
[23:45] <nextgens> in fact I'm not sure it ought to be done the way I've done it
[23:46] <nextgens> toad_> any views on the topic (r11047)
[23:46] <nextgens> ?
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[23:46] <ralith_> toad_,
[23:46] <toad_> ralith_: ?
[23:46] <ralith_> can I get some help with you about frost?
[23:46] <nextgens> the aim of my commit was to allow the node to start even if freenet-ext.jar is broken
[23:46] <ralith_> from*
[23:47] <nextgens> as I've messed up with the versionning it can occur :/
[23:47] <toad_> nextgens: 11047 just prevents the updater from loading if we're not running the wrapper
[23:47] <electrosy> what is a good maximum nomber of conneccted nodes to have?
[23:47] <toad_> ralith_: i'm not a frost expert, but ask your question
[23:47] <toad_> electrosy: 10-15? maybe 30?
[23:47] <toad_> electrosy: probably no more than that
[23:47] <electrosy> what happens whe you have more than 30?
[23:48] <nextgens> toad_> yes, but it used to "reset" to false the setting on the old updater
[23:48] <nextgens> toad_> that's what edt complained about a while ago
[23:48] <ralith_> toad_, when I load it (doesn't appear to matter which version), everything seems to go fine, progress bar, text, splash graphic, etc. display fine, but then when the window comes up it's empty
[23:48] <nextgens> my current version doesn't reset the option but prevents the updater from starting
[23:48] <toad_> nextgens: ah
[23:48] <nextgens> I wonder what's the best to do
[23:48] <ralith_> terminal shows no interesting output other than ongoing stuff that seems to be downloading messages
[23:48] <toad_> nextgens: how is that accomplished?
[23:48] <toad_> electrosy: not much
[23:49] <toad_> electrosy: but it's sorta recommended
[23:49] <toad_> too many may be bad
[23:49] <toad_> ubernodes are bad
[23:49] <electrosy> right.
[23:49] <electrosy> ok.
[23:49] <nextgens> he was willing to be able to run the node within a shell loop and to use the updater iirc
[23:49] <toad_> if you have 100 real darknet connections, then that's fine though :)
[23:49] <toad_> nextgens: a config option is sensible
[23:49] <nextgens> ok
[23:49] <toad_> nextgens: but you may ask him to write it :)
[23:49] <electrosy> how do you check if they are real darknet connetions or not?
[23:49] <nextgens> :p
[23:49] <nextgens> :)
[23:49] <toad_> nextgens: anything else?
[23:50] <nextgens> nothing urgent
[23:50] <toad_> electrosy: if you know the person you are connecting to, then they are real darknet conns
[23:50] <nextgens> I'll fill in mantis tickets for other stuffs
[23:50] <toad_> nextgens: i'm not likely to fix the bandwidth bug tonight :|
[23:50] <toad_> okay
[23:50] <nextgens> :/
[23:50] <toad_> i'm going through the irc log, adding stuff about bugs
[23:50] <toad_> that won't take too long
[23:50] <nextgens> I doubt I'll investigate it tomorrow either
[23:50] <toad_> after that, i'll probably go to bed
[23:50] * ralith_ wonders if his request for help fell upon deaf ears yet again
[23:50] <electrosy> oh i see, trusted connections.
[23:51] <electrosy> ok i get it now.
[23:51] * nextgens hopes that the bug won't prevent too many people from using freenet
[23:51] <toad_> ralith_: what window?
[23:51] <ralith_> the main frost window
[23:51] * toad_ too :|
[23:51] <toad_> ralith_: you mean there are no boards? what?
[23:51] <ralith_> it's completely empty.
[23:51] <electrosy> toad_: Thanks for the help.
[23:51] <ralith_> just a gray box
[23:51] <toad_> nextgens: it's not common
[23:51] <ralith_> that fills up the whole window
[23:51] <toad_> nextgens: i don't get it, for example
[23:51] <nextgens> toad_> it comes with uptime imo
[23:51] <ralith_> if it weren't for WM decorations, it'd be a featureless gray box
[23:51] <toad_> ralith_: no idea
[23:51] <ralith_> as it is it's just got the standard border and titlebar
[23:51] <nextgens> toad_> its getting worse and worse
[23:51] <toad_> ralith_: maybe it's crashed
[23:52] <ralith_> toad_, nope
[23:52] <ralith_> done it on fresh installs
[23:52] <ralith_> and terminal output implies that /it/ thinks it's working fine
[23:52] <toad_> nextgens: that suggests it's what i suggested ... but i don't see how that's possible
[23:52] * Boefke (i=1234@) Quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
[23:52] <toad_> unless we are sending more and more resend requests
[23:52] <toad_> but why would we be?
[23:53] * Rudolf_ (i=Rudolf_H@) Quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
[23:53] * Rudolf_ (i=Rudolf_H@) has joined #freenet
[23:53] <nextgens> I dunno
[23:53] * toad_ went to see Dr Faustus with folk
[23:53] <nextgens> and worst, I dunno what we did to trigger that bug
[23:54] <toad_> I have no idea what the trigger could have been, agreed
[23:54] * nextgens doesn't know who he is
[23:54] <toad_> nothing in recent changes is obvious
[23:54] <toad_> nextgens: Marlowe story (contemporary with shakespeare), play
[23:54] <toad_> modern dress, old words
[23:54] <toad_> completely mad
[23:55] <toad_> about a doctor of everything who sells his soul for 24 years of everything he wants
[23:55] <toad_> lots of fun
[23:56] <nextgens> ah ok
[23:57] * Boefje (i=1234@) Quit (Connection timed out)
[23:59] <toad_> [12:35] <JustMe> nextgens: If you have time look at USK@5QOjqouIpkngIq8RnzQeStvB3F-QKO9hUC2pnIoGZwY,zI0ngWE4OyOPbjF5FxAFxMrBaL-uw-LdqQxe3kP54Jk,AQABAAE/mytwoc
[23:59] <toad_> [12:35] <JustMe> nextgens: If you have time look at USK@5QOjqouIpkngIq8RnzQeStvB3F-QKO9hUC2pnIoGZwY,zI0ngWE4OyOPbjF5FxAFxMrBaL-uw-LdqQxe3kP54Jk,AQABAAE/mytwocents/4/ for some information on the site insertion problem.
[23:59] * toad_ cannot find anything about insert problems on that site
[23:59] <toad_> at least not on edition 5, manually fetching 4 now
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