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[0:00] <_ph00> I wahted to peer with you but I didn't catch your bot before it left
[0:00] <_ph00> wanted*
[0:05] <Zothar> (he may come back by, though I just bumped the >30 and warn message; we'll see how long that sticks around due to people leaving... ...I _have_ been adding a lot of peers lately)
[0:06] <_ph00> me too
[0:07] <_ph00> I'm trying to make the node actually uise more bandwidth (I have some spare BW)
[0:08] <_ph00> my node is set to use max 400K BW on both up and down, but it never uses more than 25-30, average around 6-7
[0:08] <_ph00> of course, I would lower the 400K to 100 if it really used it all
[0:08] <_ph00> maybe even 50 or 60
[0:09] <Zothar> over the past 10h, that node is averaging above 17KBps out and 12KBps in
[0:09] <_ph00> anyways, the node using less bw that I could give it, is better than using it all for useless stuff
[0:35] <_ph00> weid
[0:35] <_ph00> r
[0:36] <_ph00> I'm getting some UDP connection atempt (blocked) from a peer
[0:36] <_ph00> on port 1024
[0:36] <_ph00> and that peer looks disconnected on the darknet page
[0:36] <_ph00> is it just trying to reconnect, or what?
[0:37] <_ph00> is using port 1024 normal?
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[1:03] <ralith_> will inserting two files of the same size take twice as long, or will they go in parallel and take as much time as the one file? (roughly, of course)
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[1:59] <Zothar> raith_: all depends on bandwidth/CPU/business of the nodes involves in each of the pieces of the two files to be inserted, so it's hard to say
[2:00] <Zothar> ralith_ even
[2:00] <ralith_> just tell me if two parallel is likely to be faster than two sequential.
[2:02] * ralith_ pokes Zothar
[2:04] <Zothar> it might be, but it really depends, like I said; if your backedOffPercent is near 0%, your nodeAveragePingTime is consistently below 500ms, and your bwlimitDelayTime is at or near 0ms, then starting a second insert would probably be fine
[2:06] <ralith_> backed off is around 20, and ping is near 1000.
[2:06] <ralith_> bwlimit is 0 though
[2:07] * ralith_ wishes there were a way to get the key at the start of uploading
[2:11] <Zothar> ralith_: with a ping near 1000, other nodes are going to be backed off of you; I'm not sure how that'll affect your inserting to them though; backedoff of 20 may mean that the one or two peers that your node is trying to send stuff too is busy which would slow everything down that should go through those peers
[2:11] <Zothar> ralith_: there is, but you'd want to do direct disk access for sure for that
[2:12] <Zothar> (and I think it'd end up encoding twice for that, but I'm not sure; early key and insert in the same operation may be an option in the future as I think I'd read about that being a possibility)
[2:12] * ralith_ thinks that would be nice
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[2:21] <edt> bwlimit does not seem to do much - I have it set to 100000 and still se 3-8k/s total for freenet...
[2:21] <edt> same as I get with it set to 20000 or 30000
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[2:31] <ralith_> edt, it's an upper limit, not a target value :P
[2:31] <ralith_> your node can only send what it's asked to send.
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[3:04] <Zothar> ralith_: well put
[3:06] <ralith_> ^_^
[3:06] <ralith_> do I get a prize?
[3:14] <Zothar> :)
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[3:40] <edt> ralith point is that it _never_ exceeds 10-15K at max.
[3:41] <Ralith> yeah, 'cuz it's a tiny network
[3:41] <Ralith> there are only 400 or so nodes :P
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[4:26] <d573a6> Hey. How does the current Freenet compare to the 0.5 community?
[4:29] <Ralith> answer that for yourself :P
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[4:29] <Ralith> it seems moderately tight knit, and generally friendly and nice.
[4:29] <Ralith> open.
[4:30] <CIA-14> zothar * r11028 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/io/xfer/BlockTransmitter.java: Bug 900: Get rid of unnecessary pings in BlockTransmitter. I'm leaving DMT.ping and DMT.pong for now, since they're used by code in src/test/.
[4:46] <d573a6> Ralith, I'll try, but my highly 1337 56K might be found wanting.
[4:46] <d573a6> Hm, sounds sort of not very much like 0.5
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[10:27] <nextgens> hi
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[10:37] <Guest438> hi
[10:41] <sbc> hello Guest438
[10:42] <IMCensored1> hi
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[12:37] <hopeatikari> hi all
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[14:05] <Zothar_Work> nextgens: seems I forgot your freenet-ext.jar cvsRevision problem when I got home yesterday; get it sorted out?
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[15:06] <hopeatikari> hi all
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[15:11] <nextgens> Zothar_Work> not yet
[15:11] <nextgens> Zothar_Work> I'm currently working on non-freenet related stuffs
[15:13] <Zothar_Work> nextgens: OK, just so you're aware, it doesn't look like all the download mirrors are currently mirroring the latest /alpha/pyFreenet/ stuff in case you get a moment to check into it; lemme know if I should file a bug or something
[15:15] <nextgens> ok, I'll have a look at it
[15:16] <nextgens> I really ought to write a tool to monitor mirrors and mail their owner when needed
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[15:22] <Zothar_Work> I've got one that's sorta written that I could probably make more generic; it's in Python
[15:24] * nextgens expresses interrest
[15:25] <nextgens> -r
[15:28] <Zothar_Work> I'll see if I can make it check for differences and mail the ones that don't have everything at least one other does (newer-wise, since one mirror appears to be keeping old stuff, which can be useful at times)
[15:30] <Zothar_Work> (It'd probably want to give them say an hour (or whatever interval) to get the latest before complaining)
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[15:58] <flosch> is there any existing "search engine" for the freenet network?
[16:04] <sbc> flosch: No, but there are lists of files/sites.
[16:04] <flosch> hmm, where can i find them?
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[16:06] <sbc> Have you seen the indica site? I'm not really sure of the details. :)
[16:06] <Zothar_Work> flosch: well, sorta actually; you can search by filename of things seen in posts in Frost and there's a Librarian plugin that has a simple keyword in file search mechanism; I understand that Thaw has something similar to the Librarian plugin, though perhaps with more features, in it's latest beta
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[17:38] <xonder> hey
[17:38] <xonder> i just installed freenet
[17:38] <xonder> and they want me to get some kinda key
[17:41] <sbc> xonder: you mean references?
[17:41] <sbc> #freenet-refs is the channel for you then.
[17:42] <xonder> oh ok thx
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[18:21] <_ph00> wtf?!
[18:22] <hopeatikari> I don't know
[18:22] <_ph00> I told earlier that my ISP did something, my IP has chenged, right?
[18:22] <_ph00> now
[18:22] <_ph00> after a few hours have gone
[18:22] <_ph00> my node is noly detecting the internal NAT adress
[18:23] <_ph00> it id detect the new external address then
[18:23] <_ph00> (the ISP does the NAT, not me)
[18:23] <_ph00> (yes, I know, that sucks....)
[18:24] <_ph00> anyways, I noticed that the external IP had chenged *beacuse* the node had detected it (I saw an unknown address and wois'd it)
[18:24] <_ph00> now, it only detects the internal one
[18:25] <_ph00> bah. I'm gonna wait a little longer and see. in the meantime, most of my peers are still connected
[18:25] <rah> INFO | jvm 50 | 2006/11/21 18:25:40 | Error : can't restart the node : consider installing the wrapper. PLEASE REPORT THAT ERROR TO devl@freenetproject.org
[18:25] <rah> what's from wrapper.log
[18:26] <rah> that's from wrapper.log
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[20:05] <fridim> hi
[20:09] <OctobersDark> hello
[20:09] <Zothar_Work> howdy
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[20:10] <Zothar_Work> OctobersDark: BTW, I've looked at pointing people at the auto-generated-on-commit tarball for pyFreenet, but it looks like the mirrors aren't consistently mirroring it at the moment
[20:11] <OctobersDark> yes, i read some of that when i reviewed the log...wonder if it has anything to do with me not being able to file the new libraian jar
[20:12] <OctobersDark> it finally showed up this am
[20:12] <Zothar_Work> perhaps; I may be getting a mirror checker together that nextgens may use to bug the mirror operators if problems are spotted
[20:12] <OctobersDark> er..maybe last night
[20:13] <OctobersDark> nextgens had given me a link in PM, but it was for the same older one
[20:13] <OctobersDark> it's OK nextgens we are talking 'about' you, not 'to' you :-)
[20:14] <OctobersDark> it doesn't really matter for what I needed ,but I think it is important for the new folks to have an up-to-date bot
[20:14] <_ph00> when taling about someone and not *to* that person, I usually misspell the nick on purpose (ex: neztgens)
[20:15] <_ph00> talking*
[20:15] <OctobersDark> yeah, I should do that _ph00 good idea
[20:15] <_ph00> (hm I guess I could spell it *right* by chance....)
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[20:16] <_ph00> btw that's the point of having nicks l??ike _ph00 (with underscore): you can talk about me by only typing ph00 and *to* me by using _ph00
[20:17] <OctobersDark> well thought nick _ph00
[20:17] <OctobersDark> well thought out even
[20:17] <_ph00> actually, I didn't think that. toad diod that before me
[20:18] <_ph00> did*
[20:18] <OctobersDark> toad, ph00, nextgenz
[20:18] <OctobersDark> got ot :-)
[20:18] <OctobersDark> !! it !
[20:19] <_ph00> heh
[20:19] <_ph00> happens to me all the time
[20:19] * OctobersDark must need more coffee
[20:19] <_ph00> I had to put in the autocorrection list a lot of words misspelled with 'io' instad of 'i'
[20:20] <OctobersDark> the only one in my list is the
[20:20] <_ph00> teh
[20:20] <_ph00> I deleted that
[20:20] <OctobersDark> because i think t e h looks retarded
[20:20] <_ph00> I want to be able to type teh if I want to
[20:20] <OctobersDark> yeah
[20:20] <OctobersDark> it has its uses
[20:20] <_ph00> I use expressions like "that is teh shit"
[20:21] <OctobersDark> :-) kewl
[20:21] <_ph00> but I don't usually misstype the as teh
[20:21] <_ph00> (and I find 'cool' much easier to type than kewl)
[20:21] <OctobersDark> oh I do, all the time
[20:22] <_ph00> I do that in swedish: I often misstype 'och' (= and) as c o h
[20:22] <_ph00> *that* is in the autocorrect list
[20:24] <OctobersDark> well, I just wrote "file the jar" when I meant "find the jar" ...no excuse for htat :-) that
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[21:45] <OctobersDark> colione:
[21:45] <colione> :p
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[22:25] <_ph00> "This time the bullet cold rocked ya / A yellow ribbon instead of a swastika"
[22:26] <_ph00> what does the yellow ribbon mean? something like 'support our troops'?
[22:27] <colione> seem to have two meanings...support our troops and YellowRibbon.org - For the prevention of teen suicide.
[22:27] <OctobersDark> its an old reference to waiting for johhny to come home, yes
[22:27] <OctobersDark> it has been around a long time
[22:28] <OctobersDark> way, way before this recent comflict
[22:28] <OctobersDark> I think Tony Orlando and Dawn did a song, but it had been around for years before then
[22:29] <OctobersDark> everybody is wearing a borkin ribbon of some sort
[22:29] <colione> i'm not..i'm not wearing any underpants either..
[22:29] <OctobersDark> pink ones for breast cancer, red one for something, rainbow ones for fagg..er..gay rights, etc.
[22:29] <colione> red one is aids
[22:30] <OctobersDark> right, It slipped my mind
[22:30] <OctobersDark> see it is Hollywood and at the academy awards
[22:30] <OctobersDark> is/in
[22:30] <_ph00> I think all this ribbon thing is a load of pure idiocy
[22:31] <_ph00> for instance, how does wearing a red ribbon help aids infected ppl?
[22:31] <colione> i think it is a ribbon, with a color...and that's it... :D
[22:31] <OctobersDark> it is a way to feel like you are *doing* something without having to actually *do* anything
[22:31] <_ph00> yeah
[22:31] <_ph00> so, I guess
[22:31] <OctobersDark> and to put up a good front
[22:31] <OctobersDark> good PR
[22:32] <_ph00> don't wear any ribbon and *do* somthing instead makes more sense
[22:32] <OctobersDark> yep
[22:32] <_ph00> Tat least, try to do what you can
[22:32] <colione> Well, when you buy the ribbon money is going to the aids people or studies about it...and it is a way to show that you support them both with money and feelings
[22:32] <_ph00> yeah right
[22:32] <_ph00> like the money you give to the red cross actually goes to ppl who need red cross help....
[22:33] <_ph00> that kind of organizations spend some 90% of all the money they get on keeping themselves up and running
[22:33] <colione> but isn't this the wrong channel..how about -chat?
[22:33] <_ph00> buy a meal to a homeless person instead
[22:33] <_ph00> yeah
[22:33] <_ph00> -chat it is
[22:33] <colione> it's actually 10%
[22:34] <_ph00> that's what goes to actual help, yes
[22:34] <colione> nope..
[22:34] <_ph00> (that's what I read on a couple of articles anyways)
[22:34] <_ph00> (sorry, no link, it was a long time ago)
[22:35] <colione> in -chat :)
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[22:50] <ratzyknowskaja> greets pals
[22:50] <ratzyknowskaja> got a minute?
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[22:52] <ratzyknowskaja> anybody here?
[22:52] <LordBrain> i am but i am sure I cannot answer any questions
[22:52] <ratzyknowskaja> lets try it ;)
[22:52] <ratzyknowskaja> i disabled the auto-install-on-update-available-function cause while it was enabled the router always crashed and did not reconnect. so my question is: how do i update the node manually?
[22:53] <LordBrain> i dont even run a node
[22:53] <LordBrain> i'm just sort of interested in p2p technology
[22:53] <ratzyknowskaja> what do you have to do in a freenet-chat then?
[22:53] <ratzyknowskaja> ok, alright, that's cool either
[22:54] <ratzyknowskaja> but where have all the others gone? idleling-contest?
[22:54] <ratzyknowskaja> ;)
[22:54] <LordBrain> beatsme
[22:55] <ratzyknowskaja> pardon?
[22:56] <LordBrain> beats me... its an expression, meaning i do not know
[22:56] <ratzyknowskaja> ok, you know our English-Teaching in good ol france is not that good ;)
[22:57] <LordBrain> i shouldn't have used it really, especially running it together as if it were one word... I know not everyone on IRC speaks english natively or is familiar with my particular slang..
[22:58] <ratzyknowskaja> where do you originally come from?
[22:58] <LordBrain> USA
[22:58] <ratzyknowskaja> in detail?
[22:58] <ratzyknowskaja> just interested...
[22:59] <LordBrain> I was born in virginia, but I've moved around an awful lot growing up within the States, so I do not recall virginia at all. I live in florida now, and i've probably spent more time in this state than in any other.
[22:59] <ratzyknowskaja> oh my god, how stupid i am, update.sh - wasted your time *oops*
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[22:59] <ratzyknowskaja> sounds great
[22:59] <ratzyknowskaja> hopefully not as cold as where i live ;)
[23:00] <LordBrain> where's that?
[23:00] <Bombe> Germany, judging by the ISP.
[23:00] <ratzyknowskaja> na, always proxying my connections
[23:01] <ratzyknowskaja> im kind of persecution-complexed :D
[23:01] <nextgens> hi
[23:01] <ratzyknowskaja> nothing special, paris
[23:01] <ratzyknowskaja> our capitol city ;)
[23:01] <nextgens> ratzyknowskaja> may you tell us about the crashes you're experimenting ?
[23:02] <nextgens> experiencing
[23:02] <ratzyknowskaja> ok
[23:02] <ratzyknowskaja> you're an op or dev?
[23:02] <nextgens> both I guess
[23:02] <ratzyknowskaja> ;)
[23:02] <ratzyknowskaja> it's kinda simple: im running freenet under debian sarge stable, formerly with auto-install-option enabled
[23:03] <nextgens> ok; first question: when have you installed it ?
[23:03] <nextgens> wich version ?
[23:03] <ratzyknowskaja> last version that worked great was v992
[23:04] <nextgens> hmmkay
[23:04] <ratzyknowskaja> on the startpage the node informed me that there is an update available which is fetched automatically
[23:04] <nextgens> a bug concerning the updater has been fixed in 996+ iirc
[23:04] <nextgens> update to 998 wasn't possible
[23:04] <nextgens> but now it ought to be fixed
[23:04] * mazzanet_ is now known as mazzanet
[23:05] <nextgens> and the update-over-freenet mechanism ought to work
[23:05] <ratzyknowskaja> suddenly my cpu usage went up to 100%, fan became noisy aso. from time to time i check my darknet to see how many nodes i am connected too and the amount of nodes was down to zero
[23:05] <ratzyknowskaja> so it is a known bug?
[23:05] <nextgens> that's something else
[23:06] <ratzyknowskaja> 5 minutes ago i was unable to find the update-function *stupid* ;)
[23:06] <nextgens> if fproxy was reachable but has eaten peers; that's a bug
[23:06] <ratzyknowskaja> what is something else?
[23:06] <ratzyknowskaja> a new but fixed one?
[23:06] <nextgens> may you grep on your wrapper.log file ?
[23:06] <nextgens> I don't know
[23:06] <nextgens> the fact that the node wasn't able to update is well known
[23:06] <ratzyknowskaja> let me have a look at it
[23:07] <ratzyknowskaja> btw: now im running 998
[23:07] <ratzyknowskaja> you made have misunderstand me
[23:07] <nextgens> but even if it wasn't able to self-update, it shouldn't had eaten any of your peers
[23:07] <nextgens> s/had/have/
[23:08] <ratzyknowskaja> my ref-node-list was not empty but the count of connected peers was down to zero and did not reconnected to them even after sh run.sh restart
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[23:08] <nextgens> ah
[23:08] <ratzyknowskaja> so i dont think that this is a new bug
[23:08] <nextgens> are you using a dynamical IP address ?
[23:08] <ratzyknowskaja> did i get it right?
[23:09] <ratzyknowskaja> yapp
[23:09] <nextgens> it depends : it could be a bug
[23:09] <nextgens> but if you're using a dynamical ip, it might be normal as well
[23:09] <nextgens> in fact it probably is
[23:10] <nextgens> if you ip address has changed while your node was down and you are behind a port-restricted or a symetrical nat, it would explain it
[23:10] <ratzyknowskaja> that really make me feel warm inside that my node is not the explorer of a new bug
[23:10] <nextgens> +r
[23:10] <ratzyknowskaja> even though all neccessary ports are forwarded?
[23:11] <nextgens> even if they are
[23:11] <nextgens> because it doesn't rely only on you but on your peers too
[23:11] <ratzyknowskaja> ok sounds well to me
[23:12] <ratzyknowskaja> usage of adverb correct, LordBrain?
[23:12] <nextgens> anyway, I suggest you re-enable the node-updater :)
[23:12] <LordBrain> haha
[23:12] <ratzyknowskaja> alright, lets give it another try ;)
[23:12] <ratzyknowskaja> so it wasnt, brain?
[23:12] <nextgens> newer versions -port 999- will update freenet-ext.jar too
[23:12] <LordBrain> it might be, but i would have said it sounds good
[23:13] <nextgens> s/port/post/
[23:13] <nextgens> hmm
[23:13] <nextgens> I'm tired
[23:13] * nextgens heads to bed
[23:14] <nextgens> cya
[23:14] <ratzyknowskaja> my english so bad? hey, but look at that: even though im french i even try to communicate in english which is - listen to that! - more open-minded than most of my french comrades are willing to
[23:14] <LordBrain> i more laughed because you're using me as an authority actually
[23:14] <ratzyknowskaja> thx for ya help, nextgens!
[23:14] <nextgens> ratzyknowskaja> your english is probably better than mine anyway :)
[23:14] * nextgens is french too
[23:15] <ratzyknowskaja> thats a part of my special humor - you have your special slang and i have my own humor
[23:15] <LordBrain> i know some spanish
[23:15] <LordBrain> heh
[23:15] <ratzyknowskaja> thats great, nextgens, but also: good night - in the language of irc :D
[23:15] <LordBrain> night ratzyknowskaja
[23:16] <ratzyknowskaja> good night, brain, see you later!
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[23:24] <edt> cpu usage seems much higer with 998
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[23:51] <Ralith> anyone here familliar with frost?
[23:54] <_ph00> lil'bit...
[23:54] <_ph00> the support channel is #freenet
[23:54] <_ph00> but anyways
[23:54] <_ph00> what's the problem
[23:54] <Ralith> this /is/ #freenet :P
[23:54] <Ralith> ok
[23:54] <_ph00> oops
[23:54] <Ralith> but yeah
[23:54] <_ph00> I was sure I was on #freenet-chat
[23:54] <_ph00> ok
[23:55] <_ph00> oh, yeah, that's the one...
[23:55] <_ph00> ok
[23:55] <_ph00> what's the problem then
[23:55] <Ralith> anyway
[23:55] <Ralith> it doesn't seem to want to do any uploading of shared files
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[23:56] <_ph00> so
[23:56] * Q-collective (n=Q-collec@) Quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
[23:56] <Ralith> [15:54:42] <_ph00> I was sure I was on #freenet-chat
[23:56] <Ralith> [15:54:52] <Ralith> it doesn't seem to want to do any uploading of shared files
[23:56] <_ph00> use another app to instert stuff
[23:56] <Ralith> it just sits there at 'uploading'
[23:56] <Ralith> ping?
[23:56] <_ph00> pong
[23:56] <Ralith> lagmeter's misbehaving
[23:56] <_ph00> use thaw or fproxy
[23:57] <Ralith> bah, fine :P
[23:57] <_ph00> I never tried to up/download files using frost, I only get the keys from frost and use fproxy
[23:57] <_ph00> or thaw when it's multiple keys
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[23:57] <Ralith> yeah, frost seems broken
[23:58] <Ralith> at least, the alpha
[23:58] <_ph00> nope
[23:58] <_ph00> frost works fine for messges
[23:58] <Ralith> for filfes, that is
[23:58] <Ralith> files*
[23:58] <Ralith> messaging is fine
[23:58] <Ralith> although I wish I knew why it waited like an hour before sending :P
[23:58] <_ph00> but for fioles up/downs it's not so great yet
[23:58] * Ralith wanted to use to to take advantage of keywords/descriptions/ratings/etc
[23:58] <Ralith> use it to*
[23:58] <_ph00> it has to do stuff, like encrypting, chopping it down in chunks etc
[23:59] <_ph00> anyways, the node does that, just use fproxy
[23:59] <Ralith> yeah
[23:59] <Ralith> but I left it running overnight
[23:59] <_ph00> the queue page
[23:59] <Ralith> fproxy got to 2%
[23:59] <_ph00> let it run more
[23:59] <Ralith> frost just kept retrying and failing
[23:59] <_ph00> how big is the file
[23:59] <Ralith> about 150mb
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