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[0:03] <colione> so rah, now that you have made a fool out of yourself, you might want to look at this: http://www.caucho.com/resin-3.0/performance/jvm-tuning.xtp
[0:04] <rah> colione: erm
[0:04] <rah> colione: I haven't made a fool out of myself
[0:05] <rah> and I've already looked at that page
[0:05] <rah> keep up
[0:09] <rah> interesting
[0:09] <rah> it's still eating memory
[0:09] <rah> even with a restricted stack size
[0:10] <rah> freenet@teasel:~$ echo $( ps axf | grep "java -Dnetworkaddress.cache.ttl=0" | wc -l )" * "$(grep Xss wrapper.conf | sed "s/.*ss\([0-9]*\).*/\1/" ) /1024 | bc
[0:10] <rah> 41
[0:10] <rah> freenet@teasel:~$ grep mem wrapper.conf
[0:10] <rah> wrapper.java.initmemory=128
[0:10] <rah> wrapper.java.maxmemory=128
[0:10] <rah> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S PU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
[0:10] <rah> 708 freenet 17 15 199m 199m 11m S 0.0 39.7 0:00.00 java
[0:10] <rah> 128 + 41 != 199
[0:10] <rah> most odd
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[0:19] <_ph00> rah is it you, running the node called teasel?
[0:20] <rah> it is indeed
[0:20] <rah> why do you ask?
[0:24] <_ph00> because I had this teasel peer and I din't remember who it was
[0:24] <_ph00> it's connected anyways
[0:25] <rah> probably won't be for long :/
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[0:25] <_ph00> oh yeah?
[0:25] <_ph00> you quitting freenet?
[0:26] <rah> depends on whether I can stop it eating all my server's memory
[0:26] <rah> which it's doing atm
[0:26] <_ph00> I don't think that having initmem and maxmem set to the same value is good
[0:26] <rah> they aren't set to the same value any more
[0:26] <_ph00> k
[0:27] <_ph00> who run the nodes called 'raging heart' and 'freenet' ?
[0:27] <_ph00> and node01
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[0:28] <Ralith> _ph00, label your nodes with IRC nicks :P
[0:28] <_ph00> that's what I'm trying to do rhight now
[0:28] <_ph00> but as I didn't start that from the beginning...
[0:28] <Zothar> Ralith: or collect peers with refbot.py and it'll private note them with several details... :)
[0:29] <Zothar> (using SVN latest anyway...)
[0:29] <_ph00> I've got some 'obvious' node names, and some labelled node names, but I still have a couple of peers where I can't connect the nodename to the irc user
[0:29] <rah> why do you want to know the irc user?
[0:29] <_ph00> nothing special, actually
[0:30] <_ph00> or maybe, I'm a NSA agent, what do you know :P
[0:31] <rah> indeed
[0:31] <_ph00> maybe you are...
[0:32] <rah> I'm not
[0:32] <rah> honest
[0:32] <_ph00> (where the hell is my tin foil hat?)
[0:32] <rah> ??_??
[0:32] <Ralith> OMG NSA AGENT BAN BAN BAN
[0:33] * rah neutralises Ralith
[0:33] <rah> that wasn't a complaint, btw
[0:35] <Zothar> _ph00: you could always send them an N2NTM if they ever connect...
[0:35] <_ph00> I don't know, those n2ntm are a bit buggy
[0:35] <_ph00> once I got the same one over 300 times (no kidding)
[0:35] <Zothar> maybe you can help me catch the one bug I'm still hearing about
[0:35] <_ph00> and another one kept coming each time I restarted the node
[0:36] <_ph00> maybe I can
[0:36] <_ph00> what you need me to do?
[0:36] <Zothar> I need details from both sending and receiving sides when a N2NTM is repeat "sent" like that
[0:37] <_ph00> k
[0:37] <Zothar> maybe I should ask all of my peers to send me N2NTMs every few days until I catch the problem, then I can coordinate with them to get it debugged
[0:38] <Zothar> (but I suspect it has to do with queued N2NTMs and since my nodes are up almost 100%, that might not be a good test)
[0:39] <rah> NFO | jvm 1 | 2006/11/20 00:38:34 | Exception in thread "Cleaner-1" java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space
[0:39] <rah> STATUS | wrapper | 2006/11/20 00:38:34 | Filter trigger matched. Restarting JVM.
[0:39] <rah> haha
[0:39] <rah> it died
[0:40] <Zothar> it's not perfect yet; OOM happens
[0:40] <rah> it's good
[0:41] <rah> considering it was killing the server previously
[0:41] <rah> I've only given it 32MB
[0:41] <Zothar> that's probably too small
[0:42] <rah> indeed
[0:44] <rah> the question is, how big can it be without killing the server?
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[0:48] * rah listens to Plastikman - Musik - 02 - Plastique
[0:48] <rah> Kerowyn: your node is druid's grove?
[0:49] <Kerowyn> had a reboot 13 peer running i hope 24/7
[0:50] <rah> skillz
[0:50] <rah> that was a successful correlation attack by me, there
[0:50] <rah> ie, I saw "Druidsgrove" connect to my node, and you connect to IRC at the same time
[0:51] <rah> what can we learn from this?
[0:51] <rah> IRC is a construct of the NSA
[0:51] <Kerowyn> i didn't know
[0:52] <rah> shocking, isn't it?
[0:52] <colione> rah, you are not allowed to make jokes here. i wasn't anyway
[0:52] <Ralith> rah, er, heh, sorry but you're wrong :P
[0:52] <rah> colione: quiet
[0:52] <rah> Ralith: what about?
[0:53] <Ralith> [16:48:41] <rah> Kerowyn: your node is druid's grove?
[0:53] <colione> uhh, or i might make a fool out of myself, right rah?
[0:53] <rah> colione: you're catching on
[0:53] <rah> Ralith: oh; is it your node?
[0:53] * Ralith has been taking notes on whose node has what name on the nodes he has, and he has both Kerowyn's node and Druidsgrove
[0:53] <Ralith> no, it's not mine, but I have both of them and they're different nodes :P
[0:54] <colione> ahh, yeah..i watched you do it before..you are a ood teacher.. :D
[0:54] <colione> good*
[0:54] <rah> Ralith: erm.. but he has Druidsgrove?
[0:54] <rah> colione: why thank you, cricket
[0:54] <Ralith> rah, no, that's someone completely different
[0:54] <rah> ok
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[0:55] <rah> so what can we learn from this?
[0:55] <colione> time to stop the flaming i guess.. :p
[0:55] <rah> Kerowyn's statement regarding a reboot wasn't, in fact, an answer to my question
[0:56] <Ralith> rah, you can learn that there are very few ways to ensure you know who's who
[0:56] <Ralith> however, you do have access to one easy one
[0:56] * colione wonders why that ban were lifted
[0:56] <Ralith> whois Kerowyn and check that against the node addys :P
[0:56] * rah cares not for who is who
[0:56] * rah cares only that his node knows other nodes
[0:56] <Ralith> well, you just tried to work it out :P
[0:57] <rah> that was more to do with Kerowyn than my freenet node
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[1:02] <Kerowyn> my node is Kerowyn Darkover
[1:04] <Brime> Yo does anyone in here think a freenet node can run on a systom with a 200 megahertz processor and only 30MB of ram?
[1:05] <Zothar> Brime: not likely to work very well if it can
[1:06] <Brime> Zothar ok thanks, i have an old linux box and i'm looking for something for it to do
[1:06] <rah> Brime: footstool?
[1:06] <Zothar> Brime: it might not work too bady as a router, depending on what you're routing with at the moment
[1:07] <Zothar> *badly
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[1:08] <rah> Kerowyn: why didn't you say that your node wasn't druid's grove when I asked?
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[1:16] <gilberte> hi
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[1:16] <Kerowyn> almost asleep now time for my bed
[1:17] <rah> Kerowyn: why didn't you say that your node wasn't druid's grove when I asked?
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[1:22] <randomnode> you could probably run tor on that, brime
[1:22] <randomnode> I mean I run tor on my 200 mhz 8 mb ram router...
[1:22] <randomnode> so if you couldnt run it on a 200 mhz 30mb ram comp Id be suprized
[1:22] <Zothar> there you have it then :)
[1:24] <Brime> randomnode that sounds like a good idea
[1:24] <randomnode> ;)
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[1:30] <Brime> oh hay here's another Q how do you configure freenet from a diffrent computer?
[1:30] <Ralith> add that ip to your allowed hosts
[1:31] <Brime> ok thatnks
[1:31] <Brime> thanks*
[1:31] <Zothar> Brime: which do you want to be able to do from a different computer? FProxy and FCP both involve bindto 0.0.0.0 instead of the default 127.0.0.1, but plus adding to allowed hosts for the appropriate service
[1:32] <Ralith> oh yeah, you might need to bind to a lan IP too
[1:32] <Ralith> which means you have to access it via that IP from anywhere
[1:32] <Brime> hmmmmm ok
[1:33] <Brime> it's just tricky using links to configure the node
[1:33] <_ph00> I'm trying to write a really easy-to-understand howto in another language, now I wonder, can I assume that linux stuff will work for mac?
[1:33] <_ph00> (freenet, I mean, not all)
[1:34] <Ralith> yeah
[1:34] <Ralith> should be able to
[1:35] <_ph00> k
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[1:37] <Zothar> _ph00: if you do an English "port" of your howto, I could review things for the Mac OS X "compatibility"
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[1:47] <_ph00> Zothar; thanks. I think that re-wrining it all in English won't be needed, I'll ask questions when I'm not sure
[1:47] <Zothar> ok
[1:48] <_ph00> btw
[1:48] <Zothar> (it's possible there isn't already one easy-to-understand howto in English, so it might not be all bad :)
[1:48] <_ph00> I noticed that *lots* of people come to -refs and don't have a clue about how to get connected, tho faqs and howtos are right there...
[1:48] <_ph00> yeah
[1:49] <_ph00> that's what I was thinking about
[1:49] <_ph00> maybe wee need some kind of 6-pack joe kind of howto in English
[1:49] <OctobersDark> I don't think they even look at the channel topic _ph00
[1:49] <colione> you mean with beer and an axe?
[1:49] <_ph00> I mena "english" not the "thing" I used in the above msg
[1:50] <_ph00> mean
[1:50] <OctobersDark> there is a reason the US gov put alcohol, tobacco and firearms in the same unit
[1:50] <_ph00> taxes?
[1:50] <OctobersDark> some things just go together
[1:50] <_ph00> tobacco, firearms and alcohol?
[1:50] <colione> oh, that is just mean
[1:51] <OctobersDark> It isn't my joke, i heard it on the TV
[1:51] <_ph00> np for the tobacco, but I really *hope* not firearms and alcohol
[1:51] <OctobersDark> blame the corruption of TV
[1:51] <_ph00> I know they have an agency for those threee things, but I thought it was mainly about taxes
[1:51] <OctobersDark> I guess you guys had to be there
[1:52] <colione> isn't it supposed to be in this order: Firearms, alcohol and tobacco. Giving us an accronym o FAT. Yet another pun!
[1:52] <_ph00> had to be *where*?
[1:52] <OctobersDark> listening to the delivery of the joke, it seems to have lost something
[1:52] <colione> i'm tired...must be that... :D
[1:52] <OctobersDark> it is for control and regulation too _ph00
[1:53] <colione> going to sleep, night
[1:53] <OctobersDark> nn colione
[1:53] <_ph00> nite
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[2:48] <teh_man> when I try to share refs, other people see: Unable to verify the signature of the given reference (freenet.io.comm.ReferenceSignatureVerificationException: The integrity of the reference has been compromized! (VERIFICATION FAILED)).
[2:48] <teh_man> how do I fix it?
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[2:49] <Zothar> teh_man: apparently you've edited or not competely copied your ref correctly; it's signed to protects its integrity (mistakes/bad guys/etc)
[2:50] <Jurian_Knight> man, maintaining a dedicated node is a pain in the ass, so many peers just drop off the face of the earth...
[2:50] <Zothar> Jurian_Knight: use a ref bot to make adding peers easier and you can build a good set of peers given a little time and patience
[2:51] <Zothar> (pyfcp's refbot.py (with latest SVN) is pretty good if I don't say so myself (mods to aum's original work)
[2:51] <Zothar> )
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[2:53] <Ralith> Zothar, you should put together an archive
[2:54] <jknight> grr... i dislike freenode tonight...
[2:55] <Zothar> https://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/pyFreenet/pyFreenet-9498.tbz
[2:57] <Zothar> Ralith: that what you meant?
[2:58] <Ralith> if it's up to date with the svn.
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[3:08] <Zothar> Ralith: That's auto-generated when new commits are made to the pyFreenet code, so yes, it's _the_ latest :)
[3:08] <Ralith> cool.
[3:09] <Ralith> <3 the automation of this project
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[3:09] <jknight> gah, took 15 min for it to timeout...
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[3:30] <CIA-14> zothar * r11016 /trunk/apps/pyFreenet/refbot.py:
[3:30] <CIA-14> refbot: Write the config before possibly bailing with a complaint that we
[3:30] <CIA-14> couldn't connect to the node via FCP (mention the host and port in the
[3:30] <CIA-14> complaint). This way, the new fields will be in the config file for the user to
[3:30] <CIA-14> edit when instructed to check their settings.
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[3:33] <CIA-14> zothar * r11017 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/io/comm/MessageFilter.java: Check for a source match before iterating over the fields in MessageFilter.match() for a slight performance gain. This looks right to me, but perhaps source was after the field iteration for a reason I've missed.
[3:41] <Zothar> Ralith: to be clear, the general URL is https://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/pyFreenet/
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[4:17] <Ralith> so what happens if you insert a file bigger than your local cache?
[4:19] <Zothar> Ralith: a) you have either a very small cache and/or a very big file b) the file is actually broken up in chunks, which are inserted individually, each with their own location; I don't believe stuff you insert necessarily gets put in your cache
[4:19] <Ralith> this is a very big file :P
[4:20] <Zothar> Ralith: just be patient as it'll take a good while if it's a very big file
[4:21] * Ralith has time and bandwidth
[4:21] <Ralith> I'm just worried about CPU usage :P
[4:21] <Ralith> thaw's locked up
[4:21] <Ralith> although it did that when I tried to load the publicly editable index
[4:23] <Zothar> Ralith: you could always insert the single file directly via the /queue/ FProxy page and leave Thaw shutdown for awhile; that might make it easier on your node; use direct disk access to avoid needing two copies lying around, or the need to transfer the file to the node via HTTP upload)
[4:24] <Ralith> alright
[4:25] <Ralith> er
[4:25] <Ralith> how do I use that interface?
[4:25] <Ralith> nevermind
[4:27] <CIA-14> zothar * r11018 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/ (io/comm/DMT.java node/Node.java node/NodeDispatcher.java): First phase of more generic low level replacement of N2NTMs with N2NMs. Next phase may not be commited for several days or more.
[4:27] <Ralith> how long does it usually take to get starteed?
[4:27] <Ralith> started*
[4:28] <Ralith> and why does it take so fscking much CPU? Compressing?
[4:28] <Zothar> Ralith: encryption
[4:28] <Zothar> (and possibly also compression in addition to the encryption)
[4:33] <Ralith> ah.
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[4:39] <CIA-14> zothar * r11019 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Remove second argument, multiLevel, of SimpleFieldSet(String, boolean), which became unused as of r9869.
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[5:15] <Swotty> Stupid Question number 1;
[5:15] <Swotty> In 'Frost', do people have to upload files in order for others to download them?
[5:16] <_ph00> no, they're there already
[5:16] <_ph00> some kind of file's limbo
[5:17] <Swotty> What's the easiest way to search for them?
[5:17] <_ph00> the search box?
[5:18] <_ph00> there are dedicated boads, too. "video", "movies", "software", "music" etc, check those out for files
[5:19] <_ph00> r
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[10:22] <nextgens> hi
[10:22] <nextgens> Zothar> I wonder whether pings aren't used as keepalive as well
[10:22] <nextgens> Zothar> of course, they ought to be claimed :/
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[11:21] <hobx> Oh if ever a person suffered so...
[11:44] <toad_> [OT] /me suggests that everyone present send a copy of the 1st documentary in the Chechen Film Festival quartet to their political representatives
[11:45] <_ph00> hm...
[11:45] <_ph00> where is it?
[11:45] <_ph00> the documentary
[11:45] <_ph00> and how to send it? hard copies?
[11:46] <_ph00> a CD or something?
[11:46] <toad_> i dunno
[11:46] * toad_ suggests snailmailing a DVD-R
[11:47] <toad_> of course if you can get a legit copy that would be better legally :)
[11:47] * toad_ probably won't though
[11:50] <toad_> i mean, what's the point? we need russian oil, so we can't break off diplomatic relations just because Vladimir Putin is a terrorist who murders his own and our citizens!
[11:50] <toad_> (and a big hello to anyone from FSB watching this channel!)
[11:51] <toad_> (not that they would, at this stage; the chinese might, the americans might, but probably not the russians)
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[12:09] <obilay> hi
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[12:09] <obilay> could do with some info if some one could help
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[12:12] <Guest603> obilay, we can try :-)
[12:12] <Guest603> what's on your mind?
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[12:23] <toad_> hmmm
[12:23] <toad_> USK@.../-<num>/ does work for me...
[12:30] <obilay> what is the preferred size for data store
[12:31] <Guest603> obilay, I can say I have 3G set aside, I've heard larger cache helps the network
[12:33] <obilay> ok so 5G will be ok
[12:34] <obilay> another question I cant find answer to is why my bookmarks disappear after resetting node
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[12:45] <Guest603> obilay, that happened to me too, once, i thought it was just me, I started using the firefox bookmards and then my fproxy bookmarks started saving, what version of fproxy are you using?
[12:46] <obilay> im not i am just talking about darknet homepage
[12:48] <Guest603> yeah obilay, I understand, that is what I meant too. The bookmarks inside the darknet homepage did not save for me once, I thought it was just me. I also considered that perhaps an upgrade i did helped with the saving of the bookmarks, so I was asking what version you are on. It is down further on the darknet home page :-)
[12:49] <Guest603> current ver I think is 998
[12:49] <obilay> thats what i have
[12:49] <Guest603> ok, cool
[12:51] <Guest603> bbl
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[13:44] <DR0P> Hi!
[13:44] <DR0P> I want to connect to a darknet network.
[13:45] <sleon> DR0P: go to #freenet-refs
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[14:32] <DR0P> anyone here thats wants to share nodes?
[14:33] <Zothar_Work> that's what #freenet-refs is for
[14:33] <DR0P> i know, but ive gotten all of the nodes there and still have bad speeds
[14:34] <Zothar_Work> a) it takes patience b) it won't really be massively better until the load balancing/load limiting work I mentioned is completed
[14:35] <DR0P> when will that be completed?
[14:37] <Zothar_Work> DR0P: a) short answer: when it's done b) longer answer: sometime after mrogers completes the simulations on the best approach to take
[14:37] <DR0P> so 1 day or one month?
[14:37] <Zothar_Work> a few months at least probably
[14:37] <Zothar_Work> (especially for the bugs to get worked out, etc.)
[14:46] <DR0P> What do you guys use freenet for, i mean there aint much content really?
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[15:22] <nextgens> DR0P> have you tried frost ?
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[15:25] <DR0P> Frost?
[15:25] <DR0P> i cant make it work
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[15:39] <toad_> nextgens: did you put out a new freenet-ext.jar?
[15:39] <toad_> nextgens: build number 7 does not fix the FEC problem, at least not on AMD64
[15:46] <nextgens> toad_> it wasn't supposed to do so
[15:46] <toad_> nextgens: so why did you resolve the bug?
[15:47] <nextgens> I've resolved one of them : not the fec doesn't work on x86_64 one
[15:47] <nextgens> https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=86
[15:48] <toad_> ah ok
[15:48] <toad_> any progress on that?
[15:48] <nextgens> I'm half inclined to release #8 without it
[15:48] <nextgens> and work on it before #9
[15:48] <nextgens> #8 would feature "update of both bdb and the wrapper lib"
[15:49] <nextgens> that would be a bugfixing release
[15:49] <toad_> ok
[15:49] <toad_> are there any other major bugs outstanding?
[15:49] <nextgens> on freenet-ext ?
[15:49] <toad_> yes
[15:49] <nextgens> not that I'm aware of
[15:49] <nextgens> well, they are long-standing ones
[15:49] <nextgens> like "we need a wrapper lib. for *BSD"
[15:50] <nextgens> but nothing major
[15:50] <nextgens> imho
[15:50] <toad_> ok
[15:50] <toad_> so #8 won't fix #86
[15:50] <toad_> but it will be beneficial in other ways
[15:50] <toad_> it'll fix the TreeMap NPE, for example
[15:50] <nextgens> that's the idea yes
[15:50] <nextgens> yes, that one would be fixed
[15:50] <toad_> good idea
[15:50] <toad_> if you're happy with it then do it
[15:51] <nextgens> ok, I will as soon I've finished with the installer
[15:51] * nextgens needs to bundle newer wrapper libraries
[15:51] <toad_> what are you doing with the installer now?
[15:51] <nextgens> I've "fixed" bashisms over the WE
[15:51] <nextgens> so that ubuntu guys and their dash shell will give me a break
[15:51] <nextgens> ;)
[15:52] <nextgens> and I still need to fix the shortcut creation
[15:52] <nextgens> and possibly the uninstaller on w32
[15:52] <nextgens> (atm we create shortcuts but their icon is missing)
[15:52] <nextgens> I need to investigate why
[15:53] <toad_> ok
[15:54] <nextgens> toad_> are you aware you replied to me only on "Subject: Re: Default board set bundled with frost" ?
[15:54] <toad_> doh
[15:54] <toad_> what's the current set?
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[15:55] <toad_> does it include the signed announcement board?
[15:55] <nextgens> nope
[15:55] <toad_> ok
[15:55] <nextgens> hence I started the thread
[15:55] <toad_> we should probably move to freenet.announce
[15:55] <nextgens> there is only Freenet iirc
[15:55] <toad_> but we need to create one first
[15:55] * nextgens suggest you re-post your mail to everyone
[15:55] <nextgens> we could use the same keys, can't we ?
[15:56] <toad_> + if test "`md5sum freenet-stable-latest.jar`" != "`md5sum
[15:56] <toad_> +freenet-stable-latest.jar.old`"
[15:56] <toad_> nextgens: why are we not just using cmp here?
[15:56] <toad_> nextgens: I didn't create announce, remember?
[15:56] <nextgens> true ... might be a good idea to start over with newer keys
[15:56] <nextgens> fresh keys I meant
[15:57] <toad_> nextgens: you might want to rename INSTALL to INSTALL.headless or something?
[15:57] <toad_> i dunno
[15:57] <toad_> maybe INSTALL is okay as long as it's only in the tarball
[15:58] <nextgens> it's only in the tarball
[15:58] <toad_> ok
[15:58] <toad_> we should have a proper README which is included in the regular install
[15:59] <toad_> no?
[15:59] <toad_> we can put paranoia advice there :)
[15:59] <toad_> like on 0.5
[16:00] <nextgens> as long as you propose writing it, I think that's a good idea ;)
[16:01] <nextgens> toad_> we are testing if cmp or md5sum exists
[16:01] <nextgens> toad_> md5sum is used if it's available
[16:01] <toad_> nextgens: isn't cmp a standard unix utility?
[16:01] * nextgens doubt so
[16:01] <toad_> i mean, isn't cmp on more computers than md5sum?
[16:01] <toad_> hmmm ok
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[16:01] <nextgens> cmp --version
[16:01] <nextgens> cmp (GNU diffutils) 2.8.1
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[16:01] <nextgens> first of all it's a GNU tool
[16:07] <nextgens> toad_> your node has a high ping value here : (6970ms)
[16:07] <toad_> nodeAveragePingTime:?5247ms
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[16:07] <toad_> maybe because of a backup running in the background
[16:08] <toad_> or maybe because of a /-1/ fetch that doesn't complete...
[16:08] * nextgens suggests you spend some time debugging that and unclaimed messages
[16:08] <nextgens> unclaimedFIFOSize: 1569
[16:08] <toad_> unclaimed messages are easy
[16:08] <toad_> zothar is going to remove the ping's
[16:08] <toad_> that should cut it by a factor of 3 or so
[16:08] <nextgens> according to zothar it's a low value
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[16:08] <nextgens> there is still a problem :)
[16:09] * nextgens is more worried by "what are other unclaimed messages" ?
[16:09] <toad_> well yeah
[16:09] <toad_> it is worth looking into at some point
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[16:53] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11020 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/DarknetConnectionsToadlet.java:
[16:53] <CIA-14> Some work on #815 (allow the sorting of the peer list on the /darknet/ toadlet)
[16:53] <CIA-14> Some columns aren't sortable and it's on purpose... Do NOT implement it.
[16:53] <CIA-14> It might be sensible to allow a "reverse order" as well.
[16:55] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11021 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/Node.java: Remove an unused import; Do not register the ExtOldAgeUserAlert if the node updater is enabled
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[17:00] <sbc> After my isp change my node dosn't connect as easily as before. Where do I start in order to figure out what is wrong and possibly fix it?
[17:03] * nextgens wonders why he hasn't received the commit log from r11020
[17:05] <nextgens> sbc> tailling your logs
[17:06] <sbc> nextgens: I just get a lot of Written freenet.ini. Dosn't really tell me why my node can't connect to others - or why they cant connect to me.
[17:06] <nextgens> I meant logs/freenet-latest.log
[17:06] <nextgens> not the wrapper.log
[17:07] <sbc> I get a lot of these:
[17:07] <sbc> Nov 20, 2006 17:19:37:190 (freenet.node.Node, PacketSender thread for 0, NORMAL): Connected: 0 Routing Backed O
[17:07] <sbc> ff: 0 Too New: 0 Too Old: 0 Disconnected: 6 Never Connected: 0 Disabled: 0 Bursting: 0 Listening: 0 List
[17:07] <sbc> en Only: 0
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[17:08] <sbc> my clock seems a bit off, could that be a problem?
[17:08] <nextgens> it shouldn't be
[17:10] <toad_> sbc: are you NATed?
[17:11] <toad_> sbc: does your noderef contain your real ip address?
[17:11] <toad_> (not 10. 192.168. etc)
[17:11] <toad_> you might have to install the STUN plugin, or exchange with somebody who isn't NATed
[17:16] <sbc> toad_: Yes, I'm nat'ed (twice? One at the 'modem' once at the router?) My noderef does contain my real ip-adress. physical.udp=89.150.181.39:35451;89.150.181.39:11769 (why it has two ports, I don't know).
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[17:17] <sbc> toad_: Yes, I'm nat'ed (twice? One at the 'modem' once at the router?) My noderef does contain my real ip-adress. <cut>=89.150.181.39:35451;89.150.181.39:11769 (why it has two ports, I don't know).
[17:18] <greycat> cute.
[17:18] * nextgens is about to roll out freenet-ext #8
[17:18] <sbc> toad_: You are one of my disconnected nodes. Connection was lost a little over 7 hours ago. My node has been up all the time since then. Why don't they re-connect?
[17:19] <greycat> toad_'s disconnected from me as well. perhaps his is just down.
[17:20] <toad_> good question
[17:20] <toad_> no, it is up
[17:20] <nextgens> toad_> since you increased the MTU size, I get much more backoff :/
[17:20] <sbc> greycat: could be. However, at the exact same time I have lost connection to another node. Why do they disconnect at the same time? Strike of chance?
[17:21] <nextgens> toad_> I know it's not mtu related but try to give you a timeframe
[17:21] <toad_> does your copy of my ref include my current real ip address (82.32.17.1)?
[17:21] <toad_> anyway, i've got to go now
[17:21] <toad_> bbiab
[17:21] <greycat> DISCONNECTED* Toad/Dark 998 21m48s
[17:21] <toad_> ok
[17:21] <toad_> we need to look at that later
[17:21] <toad_> you're directly connected to the internet?
[17:21] <sbc> toad_: Yes.
[17:22] <toad_> bbiab
[17:22] <sbc> toad_: Yes to the part about your ip in my peers file.
[17:22] <sbc> My freenet machine is connected through a router, that is then connected to a adsl-modem thing.
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[17:43] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11022 /trunk/apps/new_installer/res/ (15 files in 4 dirs): update the wrapper binaries to 3.2.3
[17:45] <Kerowyn> Hi I got a problem. Had a power failure and to reset the cutout. My router was dead for a few minutes. After that some nodes remained disconnected, ie Ralith
[17:46] <ralith_> yeah, that's probably because I'm at a weird IP atm.
[17:47] <ralith_> I should be able to connect to you if you've got your ports forwarded, though
[17:48] <ralith_> if your IP changed due to rebooting router, though, we may have to wait until I get home
[17:48] <ralith_> s/router/modem/
[17:48] <ralith_> afk
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[17:51] <Kerowyn> I'll check this
[17:52] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11023 /trunk/apps/new_installer/ (install.xml res/lib/): new_installer: cleanups : we don't need to bundle wrapper.jar
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[17:54] <nextgens> INFO | jvm 1 | 2006/11/20 17:54:10 | freenet/node/ExtVersion (Unsupported major.minor version 49.0)
[17:54] <nextgens> wtf ?
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[18:01] <Zothar_Work> compiled on a version newer than running on?
[18:01] <nextgens> maybe
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[18:02] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11024 /trunk/contrib/freenet_ext/build.xml: Contrib: force 1.4 compatibility
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[18:16] <DR0P> trade ref with me!
[18:18] <sbc> DR0P: #freenet-refs
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[18:30] * ralith_ is really impressed with how many new users keep showing up in refs
[18:31] * nextgens is disapointed seeing the number who leave
[18:37] * DR0P thinks it issnt strange considering its slow as hell, and full of child porn
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[18:39] <nextgens> is any tester available ?
[18:39] <ralith_> nextgens, still, it's clear there's a lot of interest
[18:39] <ralith_> once opennet's working, I can see things spiking as the network becomes faster and easier to use
[18:39] <ralith_> and yeah, I can test
[18:39] <nextgens> http://emu.freenetproject.org/~nextgens/ext.jar <= Can some people test that file as their freenet-ext.jar file ?
[18:40] <ralith_> what should we look for?
[18:40] <nextgens> strange things in wrapper.log
[18:40] <ralith_> right
[18:40] <nextgens> and if version numbers have been updated on the welcomme toadlet
[18:41] <nextgens> but be carefull, once you'll have updated your datastore; don't go use an older file
[18:41] <ralith_> so how do I update my datastore?
[18:41] * ralith_ is just replacing the file as it is.
[18:41] <nextgens> replace it and restart
[18:42] <ralith_> now tailing log and restarting.
[18:43] <ralith_> btw, any idea why a 4GB file might not even start uploading after 24 hours of being in the queue?
[18:43] <nextgens> no
[18:43] <ralith_> INFO | jvm 7 | 2006/11/20 10:43:19 | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/tanukisoftware/wrapper/WrapperListener
[18:43] <ralith_> INFO | jvm 7 | 2006/11/20 10:43:19 | at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass1(Native Method)
[18:43] <ralith_> INFO | jvm 7 | 2006/11/20 10:43:19 | at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass(ClassLoader.java:620)
[18:43] <ralith_> INFO | jvm 7 | 2006/11/20 10:43:19 | at java.security.SecureClassLoader.defineClass(SecureClassLoader.java:124)
[18:43] <ralith_> INFO | jvm 7 | 2006/11/20 10:43:19 | at java.net.URLClassLoader.defineClass(URLClassLoader.java:260)
[18:43] <ralith_> INFO | jvm 7 | 2006/11/20 10:43:19 | at java.net.URLClassLoader.access$100(URLClassLoader.java:56)
[18:43] <ralith_> INFO | jvm 7 | 2006/11/20 10:43:19 | at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:195)
[18:43] <ralith_> INFO | jvm 7 | 2006/11/20 10:43:19 | at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
[18:43] <nextgens> yay
[18:43] <ralith_> INFO | jvm 7 | 2006/11/20 10:43:19 | at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:188)
[18:43] <ralith_> INFO | jvm 7 | 2006/11/20 10:43:19 | at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:306)
[18:43] <nextgens> stop flooding :)
[18:43] <ralith_> INFO | jvm 7 | 2006/11/20 10:43:19 | at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:268)
[18:43] <ralith_> INFO | jvm 7 | 2006/11/20 10:43:19 | at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:251)
[18:43] <ralith_> INFO | jvm 7 | 2006/11/20 10:43:19 | at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClassInternal(ClassLoader.java:319)
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[18:44] <ralith_> thanks. Hard to stop this thing's send queue -_-
[18:44] <ralith_> should've used a pasteboard.
[18:44] <nextgens> indeed
[18:44] <ralith_> anyway, yeah, something's wrong.
[18:44] <nextgens> are you 100% sure you get the file and it hasn't been corrupted on download?
[18:44] <nextgens> md5sum public_html/ext.jar
[18:44] <nextgens> 15e2500fefe491eea0ea7b3edcf341d7 public_html/ext.jar
[18:44] <ralith_> 99.9%?
[18:45] <nextgens> do you have the same md5 ?
[18:45] <ralith_> hm
[18:45] <ralith_> it differs
[18:45] <ralith_> would renaming it cause that?
[18:45] <nextgens> on windows maybe :D
[18:45] * ralith_ << ubutnu
[18:45] <ralith_> ubuntu* :P
[18:45] <nextgens> ubuntu is the windows of poors, right ? :p
[18:46] <ralith_> :P
[18:46] <ralith_> ok, got the right file this time
[18:46] <nextgens> </kidding>
[18:46] <ralith_> reloading
[18:46] <ralith_> appears successful
[18:47] <nextgens> ok, may you paste the revelant lines corresponding to the latest startup of your wrapper.log onto a pastebin please ?
[18:47] <ralith_> webui loads with:
[18:47] <ralith_> Version Information & Node Control
[18:47] <ralith_> Freenet 0.7 Build #998 r10979
[18:47] <ralith_> Freenet-ext Build #8 r@custom@
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[18:47] <ralith_> alright
[18:47] <ralith_> is there an obvious line I should look for to copy after?
[18:48] <nextgens> hmm, grep for 3.2.3
[18:48] <ralith_> nevermind
[18:48] <ralith_> STATUS | wrapper | 2006/11/20 10:46:18 | --> Wrapper Started as Daemon
[18:48] * nextgens wonders why the cvsRevision variable isn't set
[18:49] <ralith_> is there a way other than grep -A reallyBigNumber to get all lines after a given line?
[18:49] <nextgens> using less ?
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[18:50] <ralith_> I mean a simple command line way :P
[18:51] * ralith_ just greps
[18:51] <ralith_> know a pastebin that lets me upload files?
[18:52] <nextgens> no, sorry
[18:52] * ralith_ loads a guifical editor
[18:53] <ralith_> http://dark-code.bulix.org/727hmw-24030?raw
[18:53] <ralith_> some errors.
[18:54] * ralith_ is impressed that it loaded without being able to find some libs
[18:54] <nextgens> ok, that's not too bad
[18:54] <ralith_> also, there was no notable data conversion delay
[18:54] <ralith_> should we try with a matching freenet.jar?
[18:55] <nextgens> what do you mean ?
[18:55] <nextgens> a matching freenet.jar ?
[18:55] <ralith_> matching versions.
[18:55] <nextgens> there won't be any version matching that one :)
[18:55] <ralith_> :P
[18:55] <nextgens> svn revision numbers are unique
[18:55] <ralith_> alright, so what do I do now that I have a semifunctional node?
[18:56] <nextgens> your node is fully functionnal
[18:56] <nextgens> I just need to shut-up warnings
[18:56] <ralith_> ah, cool.
[18:56] <ralith_> ^_^
[18:56] * ralith_ enjoys the warm fuzzy feeling of having the most bleeding edge non-developer node
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[19:00] <ralith_> do beep me when you finish that, if you don't mind. Harmful or not, I don't like warnings :P
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[19:01] <nextgens> ok
[19:02] <ralith_> thanks
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[19:26] <CIA-14> nextgens * r11025 /trunk/apps/new_installer/Win_shortcutSpec.xml: new_installer: fix w32 shortcuts
[19:30] <nextgens> 19:30:29 (9.75 MB/s) - `lib/jre-1_5_0_09-windows-i586-p-s.exe' saved [16508560/16508560]
[19:30] <nextgens> huh :)
[19:33] * nextgens updates the installer
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[19:56] <ralith_> now how 'bout linux shorcuts? :P
[19:58] <nextgens> send a patch :)
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[20:05] <toad_> <ralith_> once opennet's working, I can see things spiking as the network becomes faster and easier to use
[20:05] <toad_> opennet won't necessarily greatly improve freenet's speed
[20:05] <toad_> sorting out load limiting will
[20:06] <ralith_> toad_, yeah, but those are dependencies of it
[20:06] <ralith_> so the release of opennet will coincide with all that
[20:07] <nextgens> toad_> I'm experiencing something I can not explain : It seems to be no longer possible to set cvsRevision in ExtVersion.class
[20:07] <ralith_> thus making it generally peoplefriendly
[20:07] <ralith_> afk.
[20:07] <nextgens> toad_> using bsh, it shows up as normal ... but the node keeps on saying @custom@
[20:08] <toad_> nextgens: odd
[20:08] <toad_> nextgens: ant distclean dist?
[20:10] <nextgens> toad_> the release-candidate of freenet-ext is available at http://emu.freenetproject.org/~nextgens/ext.jar
[20:10] <nextgens> that hasn't solved the problem
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[20:21] <Zothar_Work> ant init appears to be how the freenet-ext.jar builder does it compared to the freenet.jar's ant compile (called by and dist); freenet-ext.jar's build doesn't appear to have ant dist, but does have ant wrapper; I've not tried building freenet-ext.jar, so don't know about the real-world experience side of it like i do frenet.jar
[20:23] <nomisery> hello, can someone explain me how i am vulnerable to those you are directly connected to?
[20:24] <nomisery> you are/i am
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[20:25] <Zothar_Work> nomisery: some of it may be covered in the FAQs, but basically those you're directly connected to can do coorelation attacks and such a that others cannot; you're not vulnerable to them in the sense that they can take over your computer or anything (unless there are serious bugs we haven't found yet)
[20:26] <nomisery> thanks
[20:32] <OctobersDark> toad_: On the frost 'announce' board I se a post which appears to have been singed by you stating "Would anyone who uses the Librarian plugin please download the latest version" Hoever the URL given "http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/plugins/Librarian/Librarian-r10964.jar" doesn't appear to have that file to me.
[20:33] <OctobersDark> well, can't tell if you were singing actually :-)
[20:35] <nextgens> it works for me
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[20:35] <nextgens> grab Lirarian.url in the root folder :)
[20:36] <OctobersDark> yeah nextgens I tried that, it appears to point to the same place
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[20:37] <OctobersDark> hm
[20:39] <OctobersDark> all i get is a 404 eroor
[20:44] <CIA-14> mrogers * r11026 /trunk/apps/load-balancing-sims/phase7/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Converted the search throttle to a leaky bucket
[20:44] <OctobersDark> Perhaps I'm caught in some sort of web-caching by my isp
[20:44] <OctobersDark> I'll try a proxy
[20:50] <OctobersDark> I can see the folder "Librarian" has a date stamp od 18-Nov-2006 00:00, but I still don't find the Librarian-r10964.jar in it :::shrug:::
[20:51] <OctobersDark> guess Librarian isn't for me today
[20:51] <nextgens> OctobersDark> check your private messages
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[20:54] <nextgens> nextgens@emu:~$ CLASSPATH=/home/nextgens/public_html/ext.jar bsh
[20:54] <nextgens> BeanShell 1.3.0 - by Pat Niemeyer (pat@pat.net)
[20:54] <nextgens> bsh % import freenet.node.ExtVersion;
[20:54] <nextgens> bsh % System.out.println(ExtVersion.cvsRevision);
[20:54] <nextgens> 11024
[20:54] <nextgens> java -version
[20:54] <nextgens> java version "1.4.2_09"
[20:54] <nextgens> any help would be welcome
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[21:32] <Zothar_Work> nextgens: perhaps I can take a look at it when I get home in a few hours; perhaps I'll stumble upon a solution
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[21:53] <hobx_> anyone here ever used excel?
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[21:58] <OctobersDark> ##windows
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[23:03] <confusionbliss> anyone want to trade a link? I'm at http://dark-code.bulix.org/y0qw2i-24059?raw
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[23:51] <CIA-14> zothar * r11027 /trunk/apps/pyFreenet/refbot.py: refbot: Save only after calling MiniBot.__init__(). Fix the default port number for FCP.
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[23:56] <_ph00> now this
[23:56] <_ph00> my node is detecting a completely wond IP
[23:56] <_ph00> wrong*
[23:56] <_ph00> probably some tor server
[23:56] <_ph00> (gonna whois it)
[23:58] <_ph00> huh?
[23:58] <_ph00> no
[23:58] <_ph00> it's not wrong
[23:58] <_ph00> my external IP (ISP NAT) has changed range
[23:59] <_ph00> it used to stay the same all the time. now it changed completely
[23:59] <Zothar> well, at least your node picked it up... :)
[23:59] <_ph00> yes
[23:59] <_ph00> btw Zothar
[23:59] <Zothar> yes?
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