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[0:01] <TheSeeker> nextgens: yes, yes I am. 64 bit too :)
[0:02] <TheSeeker> nextgens: the Aubade page has been found, but none of the images have loaded yet.
[0:08] <OctobersDark> TheSeeker: was that your essay posted on the refs board?
[0:11] <OctobersDark> TheSeeker: If it was, i was just going to say I enjoyed reading it, and thought the points you raised were valid (not to get into a big discussion here of course)
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[0:26] <TheSeeker> yeah, and speaking of which I should get on that simulation work :P
[0:28] <TheSeeker> wait, that was a different post on the freenet board ... ah well. still need to get to work ...
[0:28] <OctobersDark> TheSeeker: cool either way, now get to work :-)
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[0:32] <_ph00> heh
[0:32] <_ph00> the official God FAQ
[0:32] <_ph00> @
[0:32] <_ph00> http://www.400monkeys.com/God/index.html
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[0:46] <toad_> nextgens: did you figure out where we are closing it twice?
[0:46] <toad_> nextgens: nice fix!
[0:47] <toad_> nextgens: did you note that fix on the relevant bug?
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[1:09] <TheBishop_> ok, for now, i have a gcj-built binary, but it exits earty after start. i've found the cause, but i don't know how to work around it.
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[1:16] <TheSeeker> nextgens: btw. the Aubade page did finally fully load for me. so things seem to be working, if slowly :)
[1:24] <CIA-12> toad * r10892 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/client/ (3 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[1:24] <CIA-12> Lots of fproxy-related bugfixes:
[1:24] <CIA-12> - Auxiliary SingleFileFetchers (multi-level metadata, zip fetcher) don't need to know the meta-strings.
[1:24] <CIA-12> - Don't complain about too many meta-strings in an non-final fetcher anyway (in completion as well as in the middle).
[1:24] <CIA-12> - Start the background fetch, and re-check the USK number, before following a USK. (=> don't load an unnecessarily old version of the USK; starting the bg fetch will check the datastore).
[1:24] <CIA-12> - Re-check the USK sequence number when starting USKFetcher's (in schedule as well as in onSuccess).
[1:24] <CIA-12> - Logging
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[1:24] <toad_> nextgens: will you be here tomorrow? I want to get this bunch of fixes out ASAP, but I'm not sure I should push a new build right now with the experimental datastore changes
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[1:24] <Zothar> toad_: I'd wait :)
[1:25] <toad_> well, the bugs fixed in that build break all/most of the activelinks in Entry Point
[1:25] <toad_> nextgens: if you think it's ready tomorrow, then please push 995
[1:25] <Zothar> well, then perhaps that's a different situation...
[1:31] <CIA-12> toad * r10893 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/store/BerkeleyDBFreenetStore.java: Don't close more than once.
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[1:47] <CIA-12> zothar * r10894 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/fcp/ (4 files): Doing an operation with a specific peer that is unknown now returns an UnknownNodeIdentifer FCP message rather than a protocol error.
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[2:04] <CIA-12> toad * r10895 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[2:04] <CIA-12> Don't close the global Environment more than once, and don't close it until the individual store databases have been closed.
[2:04] <CIA-12> Also add a utility class for shutdown hooks that must be executed one group after another.
[2:05] <toad_> okay, any reason why I shouldn't push 995?
[2:05] <toad_> admittedly i won't be here to deal with it breaking tomorrow
[2:05] <toad_> but others will
[2:05] <toad_> and it has some important fixes in
[2:05] <toad_> as well as some relatively disruptive new features
[2:05] <farrier> Is there a changelog? :)
[2:06] <toad_> there will be in a minute
[2:07] <Zothar> toad_: do the others you speak of know the code you've hacked on well enough to fix it?
[2:08] <Zothar> ...I assume the datastore stuff can't be simply reverted because of the migration
[2:08] <toad_> yeah
[2:08] <toad_> that is true
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[2:08] <TheBishop_> src/freenet/node/Node.java:665: error: Can't make static reference to method 'java.lang.Integer freenet.node.NodeStarter.start(java.lang.String[])' in class
[2:08] <TheBishop_> 'freenet.node.NodeStarter'.
[2:09] <TheBishop_> NodeStarter.start(args);
[2:09] <TheBishop_> ^
[2:09] <TheBishop_> 1 error, 263 warnings
[2:09] <Xosy> Does Freenet use port 1026 by default for anything?
[2:09] <toad_> TheBishop_: eh?
[2:09] <TheBishop_> how may i work around that? that is the last error i have until a binary gcj-freenet-node
[2:09] <toad_> TheBishop_: no idea
[2:10] <TheBishop_> (i patched the source quite a bit)
[2:10] <TheBishop_> i removed all reference to the wrapper
[2:10] <Xosy> Does Freenet use port 1026 by default for anything?
[2:10] <TheBishop_> Xosy: no
[2:11] <Xosy> i got an access attempt on my computer, since installing Freenet from the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC), according to peer guardian to that port
[2:11] <Xosy> it was sent to 1026
[2:12] <TheBishop_> toad_: i changed NodeStarter.main(args) to Nodestarter.start(args) to execute the starter without wrapper
[2:12] <Xosy> i can't think of anything other then Freenet that would of triggered the NCTC sending anything to me on any port
[2:12] <toad_> yay!
[2:12] <toad_> might be some guy there on his own initiative
[2:12] <toad_> don't worry, i've never been bothered :)
[2:13] <toad_> but you might want to post to frost about it
[2:13] <toad_> of course they probably have lots of eavesdropping stuff on my computer :)
[2:13] <TheBishop_> Xosy: look at the output of "netstat -a"
[2:13] <TheBishop_> is port 1025 open from your side?
[2:14] <toad_> hmmm
[2:14] <toad_> so we have the bugs introduced in 994 ... versus the potential for bugs in 995
[2:14] <toad_> so we have the bugs introduced in 994 fixed in 995 ... versus the potential for bugs in 995
[2:14] <toad_> hmmm
[2:14] * toad_ tosses a coin :)
[2:15] <toad_> hmmm
[2:16] <toad_> it's worked for everyone who's tried it so far
[2:16] <Zothar> toad_: if you don't like the outcome of the coin toss, try it again until you do? :)
[2:17] <toad_> except that TreeMap bug
[2:17] <toad_> which will be fixed by the next ext.jar i think
[2:17] <Zothar> lemme update to the latest; only migrated one node so far, might as well do the second as well...
[2:17] <toad_> and the shutdown bugs, which are fixed
[2:17] <toad_> Zothar: thanks
[2:17] <toad_> Zothar: if you don't like the outcome, then do the opposite
[2:18] <Xosy> i dont see port 1026 or port 1025 open
[2:18] <TheBishop_> toad_: in freenet.node.Node i changed main to start in the instantiation of NodeStarter, because i removed the wrapper completely. but gcj now tells me the message i posted above, how do i get a static or non-static ref to this crap?
[2:18] <toad_> brb
[2:18] <toad_> Zothar: tell me how it goes
[2:18] <Zothar> yeah, but it may be that you're leaning toward one outcome, but not enough to just go with it, so you toss a coin hoping for insight and then you don't like the result because you're still leaning, but not enough to commit... :) :) :)
[2:18] <Xosy> when i looked up information on port 1026, it said on google that it is Calendar Access Protocol port, and you may get a lot of message spam to that port
[2:18] <TheBishop_> Xosy: then the problem is not on your side, don't worrry
[2:18] <Xosy> however, why would the NCTC be sending it to there?
[2:18] <toad_> TheBishop_: maybe you need to instantiate it?
[2:18] <toad_> TheBishop_: have a look at the main() method in freenet.node.Node
[2:19] <toad_> TheBishop_: that will do what you want
[2:19] <TheBishop_> you mean new NodeStarter.start(args) ?
[2:20] <farrier> Heh, getting probed by the ntct is funny, but the fact it means their machines are probably infected is even funnier.
[2:20] <farrier> nctc*
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[2:21] <Xosy> so you think they are infected by a trojan?
[2:21] <TheBishop_> farrier: or it is a faked return address
[2:21] <Xosy> no the address matches up to a nctc address
[2:21] <Xosy> peer guardian 2 blocked it
[2:21] <TheBishop_> toad_: i am in freenet.node.Node.main()
[2:22] <toad_> Zothar: did it work?
[2:22] <Xosy> when i do netstat -a, i got about a half dozen connections to ads1.revenue.net
[2:22] <farrier> Spoofed? Yeah, maybe. But I'd expect spoofs from several domains in that case.
[2:22] <Xosy> so am i fucked with adware on my computer too?
[2:22] <Zothar> it's still migrating: has a bigger store; I'm bringing up the already migrated node on the absolute latest momentarily
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[2:24] <toad_> DNF on USK@c55vMxUl-T-lD3nv0iOaXF~G1hnY6pOMRbzZSwACMmY,yd8~uwUmGm164-ipStoiBOJVjkbbYXJMlD~H5ftPxIA,AQABAAE/Indicia/49/ .... WTF?
[2:24] <toad_> that's after i moved my store out of the way
[2:25] <toad_> anyone else get that?
[2:25] <nextgens> hi
[2:26] <TheBishop_> toad_: the main in Node calls NodeStarter.main(). i changed it to call NodeStarter.start(). now my gcj says i can't make a "static reference" to the method :(
[2:26] <nextgens> toad_> well, if you're confident the bdb stuffs work, then release a new build
[2:26] <toad_> nextgens: i moved my store out of the way to simulate a new node ... now I'm getting DNF on the major indexes
[2:27] <toad_> but no errors in the log
[2:27] <nextgens> toad_> the NPE is only occuring on 1.6 (mustang)
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[2:28] <TheBishop_> can't we axe the wrapper completely, anyway?
[2:28] <nextgens> toad_> indicia works for m
[2:28] <nextgens> toad_> indicia works for me
[2:28] <nextgens> TheBishop_> just ignore the wrapper
[2:28] <toad_> TheBishop_: not with sun
[2:28] <toad_> TheBishop_: maybe with gcj
[2:28] <nextgens> TheBishop_> compile the whole source code with it
[2:29] <nextgens> TheBishop_> the wrapper's parts within the node are pure java
[2:29] <TheBishop_> with gcj anyway, but i read that ntpl bugs were worked around with sun
[2:29] <nextgens> TheBishop_> and can run without any native library in degraded mode
[2:30] <TheBishop_> i did not get the wrapper to compile, and i didn't find the wrapper sources, only the jar
[2:30] <toad_> hmmm
[2:30] <TheBishop_> degraded?
[2:30] <toad_> a RejectedOverload, a DNF and a RejectedOverload
[2:31] <Zothar> toad_: looks good to me on both nodes, not migraded and running r10895
[2:31] <Zothar> migrated
[2:31] * toad_ wonders why that is reported as a DNF
[2:31] <nextgens> TheBishop_> it's in the /contrib/wrapper/ directory on svn
[2:31] <TheBishop_> i removed the native library support aswell, because gcj makes native binaries with good optimization
[2:32] <nextgens> toad_> works for me(tm)
[2:32] <nextgens> far better than it used to
[2:32] <Zothar> uh looks good migraded and running r10895
[2:32] <Zothar> bah!
[2:32] <Zothar> all is well on my two nodes on latest build
[2:32] <toad_> nextgens: so how come i get DNF on everything?
[2:33] <toad_> is the network really that bad at retaining data that i can't download ANY of the indexes?
[2:33] <toad_> nor your flog for that matter
[2:33] <Zothar> (all the data was really on toad_'s node)
[2:33] <toad_> USK@c55vMxUl-T-lD3nv0iOaXF~G1hnY6pOMRbzZSwACMmY,yd8~uwUmGm164-ipStoiBOJVjkbbYXJMlD~H5ftPxIA,AQABAAE/Indicia/49/
[2:33] <toad_> USK@RG18X0wfOZrQ-5axO%7e45moiclaFtqT7ANllg165Zjpg%2cqTu5gqJLwC5LYyomwTUQWPergIEa3WZIPPd5qd%7eR5Nk%2cAQABAAE/ENTRY.POINT/34/
[2:33] <nextgens> toad_> everything works for me
[2:33] <toad_> USK@EwJ3vm1HxP8-Q5IAOgcCajNwVvG8Zz-kNPpLZTwPp8Y,4u87lIRlv~z2Al--UTmWNSAOG3i8X0CSU30hhUNY45E,AQABAAE/05FreesitePortal/18/activelink.png
[2:34] <toad_> USK@-HLvzn-GqguXrYIyc7xa0vkPUFeN0CM7tI1qRHbuJxM,5S54Kx5HTTBMMFZ26zxwnYfwgzw-EE6lWqj5CIOs5rM,AQABAAE/flog/8/
[2:34] <nextgens> toad_> freenet:USK@CbcNTZmvC1y8nyxpnyplZ9eV4OcCGpCqwpB1cQXTU4k,xqJ88mSlcS7STRwo0xjR6JVtnVNiovh190EZRpNR5bg,AQABAAE/Aubade/6 ?
[2:34] <toad_> USK@PFeLTa1si2Ml5sDeUy7eDhPso6TPdmw-2gWfQ4Jg02w,3ocfrqgUMVWA2PeorZx40TW0c-FiIOL-TWKQHoDbVdE,AQABAAE/Index/41/
[2:34] <TheBishop_> ok, i start my (sun-powered) node for the moment....
[2:34] <toad_> USK@e4TEIN5l1nkn6kjl63XBgYTYobmwGvtnyK2YW0b0ajo,hv-2~OfetXkb0FhDuPxorWIf0wXeZKPEfdIhwyh-mhk,AQABAAE/AnotherIndex/57/
[2:34] <nextgens> I've inserted it less than a week ago
[2:35] <toad_> there are no suspicious errors; it seems extremely unlikely that the behaviour is the result of my datastore changes
[2:35] * TheBishop_ wonders if toad_ even is connected :)
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[2:40] <toad_> yes i have lots of peers
[2:43] * nextgens goes to bed
[2:43] <nextgens> cya
[2:43] <TheBishop_> so, to stress this again, shall i use "x=new NodeStarter.start(args)" to instantiate the static ref blabla? (sorry, i'm still a java n00b hacking around)
[2:44] <nextgens> nah
[2:44] <TheBishop_> nextgens: cul
[2:44] <nextgens> TheBishop_> call the main()
[2:44] <nextgens> TheBishop_> call the the constructor I meant
[2:45] <TheBishop_> no, the main has no content after removing the Wrapper
[2:45] <TheBishop_> which constructor?
[2:45] <nextgens> let the wrapper where it is
[2:45] <nextgens> nodestarter's one
[2:45] <nextgens> anyway, bbl
[2:45] <TheBishop_> i can't build it so far, it's just a hazzle and not needed without sun-java
[2:46] <nextgens> toad_> well, feel free to release 995 : it works really better for me
[2:46] <TheBishop_> whe wrapper is only a workaround for sun, it's crap
[2:48] <CIA-12> toad * r10896 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/ (client/async/SingleFileFetcher.java keys/USK.java): USKs weren't redirecting, they were fetching the latest edition in-place (and failing when there wasn't a latest known edition). Fix.
[2:49] <toad_> nextgens: ok, but it's your head tomorrow if it breaks :)
[2:49] <toad_> 'cos i won't be here :)
[2:50] <toad_> okay, that fixed it
[2:50] * toad_ will just finish the test, restart the node, copy the old datastore back in
[2:50] <toad_> and then release 995
[2:51] * toad_ lol @ having the biggest icon on nextgens' flog's links bar :)
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[2:54] <toad_> audabe loads btw
[2:54] <toad_> at least, the page does
[2:54] <toad_> not the picsyet
[2:58] <TheSeeker> they're big pics...
[2:59] <TheSeeker> 1122x1122
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[3:14] <toad_> hmmm, browser deadlock doesn't help
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[3:27] <Xosy> Fuqid has problems with resuming files?
[3:28] <Xosy> i was at 50% on a file, and exited fuqid, shutdown my node and restarted node
[3:28] <Xosy> then file went to 20% download
[3:28] <CIA-12> toad * r10897 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/fcp/FCPServer.java: Warning about what FCP can do in allowedHosts.
[3:28] <Xosy> given that i spent hours and hours going from 20% to 50% on 56k modem, im trying to figure out what happened
[3:28] <Xosy> so it doesnt happen again
[3:29] <Xosy> anyone know if Fuqid is buggy or has problems on file resuming?
[3:30] <CIA-12> toad * r10898 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/SimpleToadletServer.java: Warning message for Fproxy.allowedHosts too.
[3:31] <CIA-12> toad * r10899 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/SimpleToadletServer.java: short version says (read warning)
[3:31] <Xosy> anyone else have problems with resuming on Fuqid?
[3:32] <Xosy> does datastore size matter for resumes?
[3:35] <toad_> Xosy: maximum memory usage might
[3:36] <toad_> Xosy: try increasing it in the wrapper.conf
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[3:42] <Xosyo> anyone can answer my last question on Fuqid?
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[3:44] <CIA-12> toad * r10900 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/Version.java: (log message trimmed)
[3:44] <CIA-12> 995 changelog:
[3:44] <CIA-12> - Many fproxy-related/USK-related/TOO_MANY_PATH_COMPONENTS-related bugfixes in the client layer. Fixes loading freesites with many out-of-date activelink images.
[3:44] <CIA-12> - Datastore changes: Lots of refactoring. Single global Environment used by all
[3:44] <CIA-12> stores. Config option databaseMaxMemory for maximum amount of memory used by
[3:44] <CIA-12> datastore. Significantly speeds up start-up and probably has other benefits too.
[3:44] <CIA-12> Automatic migration is included; creation of database-<port> and moving all the
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[3:46] <Xosyo> anyone here?
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[3:47] <Xosy> <Xosy> i had a file at 50% download, then i deactivated, then exited fuqid, then shutdown node, and started it again
[3:47] <Xosy> <Xosy> and then the download was at 22%
[3:47] <Xosy> <Xosy> what could cause that?
[3:57] <_ph00> some data got discarded?
[3:57] <_ph00> (wild guess)
[3:57] <CIA-12> toad * r10901 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/client/async/ (ClientGetter.java USKFetcher.java USKInserter.java): Fix deadlock.
[3:57] <_ph00> no problem, just keep it there, it will complete
[3:58] <Xosy> im on 56k, so the lost resume cost me like 7 hours
[3:58] <CIA-12> toad * r10902 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/Version.java: 996: Fix deadlock in 995.
[3:58] <Xosy> trying to figure out why it didnt resume
[3:58] <Xosy> my guesses are either because datastore is set at 35 megabytes, and im downloading a 75 megabyte file in fuqid
[3:59] <Xosy> next guess is because my IP number changed, and i shutdown then started the node again (could that of messed up the resume)
[3:59] <Xosy> or because i deactivated fuqid and exited it
[3:59] <Xosy> or something else in fuqid
[4:00] <toad_> Xosy: uploads resume, downloads don't
[4:00] <toad_> Xosy: at present
[4:00] <toad_> Xosy: you can get the effect of download resuming by having a datastore bigger than the file you are fetching
[4:02] <CIA-12> toad * r10903 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/client/async/ClientGetter.java: FIXME
[4:03] <Xosy> so by having a 35 megabyte datastore, and downloading a 75 megabyte file and getting it past 50% downloaded
[4:03] <Xosy> then when i stopped it
[4:04] <Xosy> it didnt resume at 50% because of the size of datastore, right?
[4:04] <toad_> yeah probably
[4:04] <toad_> you need a bigger store
[4:04] <Xosy> someone told me yesterday that datastore didnt effect downloads, so thats why i had it small size
[4:04] <toad_> significantly bigger than 75M anyway
[4:04] <toad_> at least 105M
[4:04] <toad_> but preferably more
[4:04] <toad_> no it does affect downloads
[4:04] <Xosy> i already set it to 200m
[4:05] <toad_> because often the stuff you want is in your cache already
[4:05] <Xosy> but im on 56k, so its not like i will fill up a big datastore
[4:05] <toad_> you said it was 35M
[4:05] <toad_> good night anyway
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[4:06] <_ph00> he's gone to sleeep?
[4:06] <_ph00> @ 4 am ?
[4:06] <_ph00> ph yeah, saturday
[4:06] <_ph00> (sunday now)
[4:06] <Xosy> i set it 200m after the file didnt resume
[4:07] <Xosy> but when the file didnt' resume, at that time, it was 35m
[4:07] <_ph00> xosy: you are on dialup?
[4:07] <_ph00> heh
[4:07] <Xosy> yes, dialup
[4:07] <Xosy> well its what i got at the moment
[4:08] <_ph00> I never heard of anyone trying to run freenet on dialup before yesterday, and now two users in two days....
[4:08] <Xosy> there lots of people on dialup
[4:08] <Xosy> they usually dont advertise the fact, since its embarrassing
[4:08] <_ph00> it's ok. actually, having people to try freenet on dialup is good, as there's not so much data about it so far
[4:09] <_ph00> heh
[4:09] <_ph00> I can understand that it can feels enbarassing
[4:09] <_ph00> but it's not
[4:09] <_ph00> you have what you have
[4:09] <_ph00> and, as long as you do have a flat rate, dialup is still one of the options...
[4:10] <_ph00> expecially in small towns, islands, etc
[4:10] <_ph00> if you don't have a flat rate and you must pay per-minute, I don't think that running freenet is agood idea....
[4:11] <Xosy> do you need to restart node between changing the datastore size?
[4:11] <_ph00> I was thinking about setting up a bunch of 56k nodes just to see how they went
[4:11] <Xosy> or if you just change the datastore size without restarting, it works fine?
[4:11] <Xosy> im not sure if i restarted node after changing datastore size, and want to make sure that won't cause a problem again on resume
[4:12] <_ph00> Xosy; I don't really know. I usually restart the node each time I change anything, but that's me...
[4:12] <Xosy> hmms
[4:12] <_ph00> resrart
[4:12] <Xosy> i better restart it, just in case
[4:12] <_ph00> yup
[4:12] <_ph00> (many years of windows leave a sign...)
[4:13] <_ph00> if you don't know what to do: resboot
[4:13] <_ph00> now, in the freenet version:
[4:13] <_ph00> ??restart the node, just in case
[4:13] <_ph00> </moronic jokes>
[4:14] * _ph00 grabs another beer
[4:15] <Xosy> fuqid seems to download stuff faster then thaw
[4:15] <Xosy> even though priority is set to max on both
[4:15] <Xosy> is that just my imagination or is fuqid faster at downloading for real?
[5:17] <TheSeeker> I think fuqid sets priority on downloads to 'high' by default...
[5:17] <TheSeeker> does thaw?
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[5:23] <_ph00> thaw sets priority to 'low' by default
[5:24] <_ph00> but you xcan chang that in fproxy's 'queue' page
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[5:27] <TheSeeker> still, that's probably the core of the perception that fuqid is faster.
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[6:13] <OctobersDark> do they call it frost because the messages take so long? I have 5 replys just sitting in the outbox
[6:13] <OctobersDark> using frost 07-nov-2006
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[6:37] <OctobersDark> sorry, frost 02-nov-2006
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[8:38] <TheBishop_> worked the other error messages around... now have to cope with SHA-256 :(
[8:38] <TheBishop_> but will go to sleep now, see you later.
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[11:49] <sleon> 4~4~4~4~4~4~
[11:58] <Uyiw88> 3~3~3~3~3~3~
[12:00] <nextgens> _o/*BAF* Uyiw88, sleon*BAF*\o_
[12:02] <Uyiw88> auch! >_<
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[12:12] <sleon> # networkSizeEstimateSession: 1913 nodes
[12:12] <sleon> # networkSizeEstimateRecent: 544 nodes
[12:12] <sleon> # nodeUptime: 4w1d
[12:12] <sleon> ups :)
[12:13] <nextgens> sleon> update :)
[12:13] <sleon> nextgens: :D
[12:13] <nextgens> 996 has a huge changeset
[12:13] <sleon> nextgens: huge number of new bugs too ?
[12:13] <nextgens> and I bet you'll notice a performance gain
[12:14] <nextgens> here my node runs in 50M now :)
[12:14] <sleon> wow! :)
[12:14] * sleon updates
[12:14] <nextgens> # Used Java memory: 33.6 MiB
[12:14] <nextgens> # Allocated Java memory: 59.6 MiB
[12:14] <nextgens> # Maximum Java memory: 127 MiB
[12:14] <nextgens> with frost refreshing a brazillion of boards
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[12:36] <sandos> auto-update for 996 seems a bit slow for me...
[12:36] <sandos> would be awesome with some kind of progress of auto-upgrade downloads imo
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[12:47] <Itsme_> Hi everybody. Nice to see new builds for Freenet .7 are there. At this very moment my node is trying to find the update to 996, but it is not finding it after an hour
[12:47] <Itsme_> A lot of my peers are also not on 996 yet, should the auto update find 996 atm?
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[13:42] <_ph00> 996?
[13:43] <_ph00> I was left behind, I guess....
[13:43] * _ph00 updates
[13:45] <nextgens> Itsme_> I dunno if toad has finished the insertion yet
[13:51] * hjubal me too
[13:53] <_ph00> wtf?
[13:53] <_ph00> I just updated to 996
[13:53] <_ph00> and now I can't see fproxy
[13:54] <_ph00> (the node is running: I thought it had crashed but when I tried to re-start it I got the output "freenet 0.7 is already running)
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[13:56] <_ph00> OK I can see it now
[13:58] <Itsme_> nextgens: thx.... I have done a manual update... but still most of my neighbours are using 994
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[14:45] <Uyiw88> :O
[14:45] <Uyiw88> _________________/\________________\o/_____________
[14:45] <Uyiw88> Shark attack!! oh noes!
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[14:51] <_ph00> nextgens; sorry I was pretty sure I was on tor...
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[14:56] <BloodyRustY> oh cool.
[14:56] <iomaster> http://dark-code.bulix.org/8kszpi-23225?raw
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[16:25] <_ph00> I don't know exactly *what* but one thing's for sure: 996 did something good to my no-port-forwarding node: all my 19 peers are connected now (never happened before, I always had one or two disconnected, often they ewre running, I asked, but couldn't connect)
[16:26] <_ph00> some is backing off, but no 'disconnected'
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[16:47] <_ph00> I added a peer that I already tried to add once, without success (then)
[16:47] <_ph00> it's connected now
[16:48] <_ph00> so I guess node *are* acrually connecting to each other more easily now
[16:48] <_ph00> nodes*
[16:48] <nextgens> the connection code hasn't changed at all
[16:48] <nextgens> maybe the USK bugfixing has helped ARKs though
[16:49] <nextgens> what were you running previously ?
[16:49] <nextgens> what build number I mean ?
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[17:08] <TheSeeker> heh
[17:09] <sleon> lastGoodVersion=Fred,0.7,1.0,990
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[17:09] <sleon> lol
[17:10] <sleon> i just pasted one line
[17:10] <sleon> hehe and it was enough to be kicked
[17:10] <sleon> FreenetL:P
[17:10] <sleon> FreenetLogBot: morron
[17:13] <TheSeeker> I use dyndns for my ref... and my actual IP doesn't change for weeks or months at a time... why would I be on ark #86?
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[17:50] <sich> hello
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[17:53] <_ph00> hi there
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[17:53] <bback> hello
[17:55] <Zothar> greets
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[18:14] <Zothar> nextgens: question: do we want to export our non-standards-compliant Base64 encoded text via FCP and document the algorithm outside of Fred or do we want to use something else for fieldset items that may contain newlines, etc or do we want to do it the same way we send/receive file data, even if we may at some point want to have more than one such data chunk?
[18:18] <Zothar> on such data chunk per FCP message, that is...
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[18:22] <Zothar> bah s/on/one/
[18:23] <Zothar> ah, it has a standards compliant mode
[18:23] * Zothar investigates
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[18:24] <Zothar> the latest build seems to start up much faster :)
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[18:28] <Zothar> hmm... might have found a bug in the encoder; I'll check into that now
[18:28] <Zothar> (standards mode isn't currently used anywhere in the code)
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[18:44] <TheSeeker> [OT] since it's dead in here... wohoo! http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/2006/11/judge-grants-marie-lindors-motion-to_09.html
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[19:17] <fasta> nextgens: ping
[19:17] <CIA-12> zothar * r10904 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/support/ (Base64.java SimpleFieldSet.java):
[19:17] <CIA-12> Fix standards compliance bug in Base64: variable name said equals, but comments
[19:17] <CIA-12> and code used various other characters; standards mode not used anywhere else,
[19:17] <CIA-12> so if this is wrong somehow, please advise (Python 2.3's base64 module likes the
[19:17] <CIA-12> committed code). Fix return type from SimpleFIeldSet.getInt(String,int).
[19:18] <fasta> Does any of you get your node upgraded automatically _without_ manually restarting?
[19:18] <Zothar> I don't use that feature, no
[19:19] <Zothar> I auto-download the update though
[19:19] <Zothar> why?
[19:19] <fasta> Zothar: well, last time it only upgraded after I restarted it.
[19:20] <Zothar> the auto-download seems to not quite work for me either, is that what you're saying?
[19:20] <fasta> Zothar: the auto-download works for me, I think, it only doesn't auto-restart.
[19:21] <Zothar> fasta: file a bug then I guess
[19:23] <fasta> Zothar: hmm, I restarted it now, and it didn't upgrade yet, so that hypothesis is incorrect.
[19:23] <fasta> Zothar: it could be just a coincidence.
[19:23] <Zothar> fasta: Does it think it's finished downloading it?
[19:24] <fasta> Zothar: no
[19:24] <fasta> Zothar: but the message has been up >6 hours
[19:24] <fasta> (long enough to download the update)
[19:25] <Zothar> fasta: yeah, I think the download part is broken, not very efficient ATM
[19:25] <fasta> It would be better if it would be part of the Queue
[19:25] <fasta> From a user point of view
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[19:27] <Zothar> that might be an interesting idea; nextgens: auto-update download shows up on Queue page (maybe not controllable by user interface, but progress shown, etc.)?
[19:37] <Iceman_B^Ltop> anyone know how I can use an Fproxy thats running on a networked pc?
[19:37] <Iceman_B^Ltop> I already added th ip of this machine to the allow list
[19:38] <Iceman_B^Ltop> but I cant seem to access via http://ip:8888
[19:39] <Zothar> change the FProxy bindTo to be 0.0.0.0 rather than 127.0.0.1
[19:40] <Iceman_B^Ltop> ah
[19:41] <Iceman_B^Ltop> does that require a node restart?
[19:41] <Zothar> I believe it does, but I'm not sure
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[20:23] <CIA-12> zothar * r10905 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/fcp/ (6 files): Add FCP access to peer private notes, hopefully generic enough to be extended to all peer notes in the future; docs on wiki shortly.
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[20:40] <^wAc^> hmmmm
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[21:24] <nextgens> hi
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[21:25] <nextgens> [19:27] < Zothar> | that might be an interesting idea; nextgens: auto-update download shows up on Queue
[21:26] <nextgens> page (maybe not controllable by user interface, but progress shown, etc.)?
[21:26] <nextgens> implement it if you'd like
[21:26] <nextgens> currently it's not convenient to do it
[21:26] <Zothar> heh, you sneaky... :)
[21:26] <nextgens> and it should NOT be on the global queue
[21:26] <Zothar> yeah, that's what I figured, just show it on the /queue/ page
[21:27] <nextgens> [18:14] < Zothar> | nextgens: question: do we want to export our non-standards-compliant Base64 encoded
[21:27] <nextgens> text via FCP and document the algorithm outside of Fred or do we want to use something
[21:27] <nextgens> else for fieldset items that may contain newlines, etc or do we want to do it the same
[21:27] <nextgens> way we send/receive file data, even if we may at some point want to have more than one
[21:27] <nextgens> such data chunk?
[21:27] <nextgens> are you 100% that won't break connectivity ?
[21:27] <Zothar> I solved that by fixing/using the standards compliant mode
[21:27] <Zothar> which break connectivity?
[21:27] <nextgens> ie: that newer references will be parsable ?
[21:27] <nextgens> by old nodes
[21:28] <Zothar> I'm not changing references, just values for fields in fieldsets that might have newlines should be base64 encoded is all; since I'm exporting such via FCP, I wanted the base64 encoding to be standards compliant; I've got that now
[21:31] <nextgens> hmm
[21:31] <nextgens> though there was probably a reason why we didn't use =
[21:32] <nextgens> won't it break while passed through forms on http ?
[21:32] <Zothar> = is standard AFAIK and nothing used standards mode (based on code search) until my commit a bit ago
[21:32] <Zothar> we don't use it there that I know of
[21:32] <Zothar> = is currently only used via my FCP changes ATM
[21:37] <Rust> so i'm noticing that a lot of what's on freenet is basically mirrors of www sites, and the rest is porn
[21:37] <Rust> eh.... what's the point?
[21:39] <Zothar> the software is still being developed, so the real paranoid either aren't using it yet are staying in the shadows
[21:39] <Zothar> s/are/or are/
[21:41] <Rust> it will always be under development, unless people just give up, which is unlikely
[21:44] <Zothar> OK, I'll not feed the troll
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[21:55] <Rust> i'm not a troll ):
[21:55] <Rust> i'm just trying to figure some stuff for myself
[21:56] <Rust> i think it's a cool idea, with some problems, but in essence quite good
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[21:56] <Rust> but i'm just wondering what's the point if all there is is porn, and stuff you can find online. and if there are stuff that are interesting and are limited to freenet, it's impossible to find them
[21:58] <MineHaunter> Rust: what do you mean by interesting stuff?
[22:00] <Rust> well, some original political thinking, that would actually be too scary to post just like that. even some information on bombs, for instance, instead of the anarchist cookbook.
[22:02] <TheSeeker> and Freenet really can't be used well for disruptive scientific or medical study reports, because breakthroughs in scientific areas tend to happen by people working in research labs that are well known... anonymous posting doesn't help much if there are only a handfull of people in the world doing research into something :P
[22:04] <Rust> heh, yes.
[22:04] <TheSeeker> still useful I suppose for corporate moles ... like if someone wanted to expose internal memos and such
[22:05] <TheSeeker> Freenet is good for storing evidence on since the data cannot be destroyed by taking down any particular node...
[22:05] <Rust> i don't expect freenet to be filled with potential terrorists and explosives experts, but it'd be nice ot have *some* info on that
[22:06] <Rust> instead of that god awful anarchist cookbook
[22:08] <nextgens> Rust> ever seen freenet:SSK@Fo5T2pMa~QL9U0VPIvgEnFjT7dECtQNmUnV8IPEF4pA,SZmTlTe3sTs6CM0R8X8SCwwX~HRw6isPIP3--65Bvjc,AQABAAE/jrcb-1/ ?
[22:11] <Rust> *opens link*
[22:11] <Rust> it'll take a while..
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[22:28] <sich> split ?
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[23:18] <CIA-12> zothar * r10906 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/fcp/ModifyPeerNote.java: Complain correctly if fields are missing in ModifyPeerNote FCP client to server message handler.
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[23:50] <TheBishop_> ok, just for the info, the native node is running, albeit not statically linked :) more news tomorrow...
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