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[0:47] <Ladycrow> any security risk if all your connections vanish, when you check on darknet?
[0:47] <Ladycrow> i mean if your downloading stuff on frost, and all your connections disappear, what happens to your anonymousity?
[0:48] <Ladycrow> right now i got 6 busy connections and 4 disconnections listed, when i click on darknet, nothing listed as "connected"
[0:48] <Ladycrow> earlier i had 5 connections listed
[0:48] <Ladycrow> then that changed to 3
[0:48] <Ladycrow> and now like i said, its listed as 6 busy connections, 4 disconnctions
[0:48] <Ladycrow> so what happens to your annoymousity or doesnt it change, when your connections vanish?
[0:49] <Ladycrow> anyone here?
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[1:07] <Ladycrow> nextgens, are you here?
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[1:16] <Xosy> any of the coders around, i had a question
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[1:22] <Ladycrow> test
[1:23] <Ladycrow> test
[1:32] <Zothar_Work> Ladycrow: you may find it more convenient to just ask the question; if somebody has an idea about the question, they'll answer, even if they don't consider themselves a coder (I consider myself a coder)
[1:33] <Zothar_Work> Ladycrow: also, if they're not around now, they may answer your question later, even if they read it from the channel log
[1:43] <Ladycrow> okay im on 56k
[1:43] <Ladycrow> and im receiving 1/80th of what im sending
[1:43] <Ladycrow> in other words in the last 5 hours of being connected to my modem
[1:43] <Ladycrow> i did 28 megabytes sending / 50 megabytes downloading
[1:43] <Ladycrow> and only received 1 megabyte of files thru Frost
[1:44] <Ladycrow> the numbers of 28 megabytes sent / 50 megabytes download is from the dialup networking icon, that gives you that info
[1:44] <Ladycrow> now i know this software stores files on your computer, which it shairs with others
[1:44] <Ladycrow> and i dont mind that
[1:44] <Zothar_Work> Ladycrow: not all/most of the data going across your Freenet node is not beginning or ending on your node, thus it's not strictly your upload and download
[1:44] <Ladycrow> but i dont think its unrealistic to want to atleast have 50% of my ridiculously low bandwidth to be used for my own downloads
[1:44] <Ladycrow> not have only 1/80th of my bandwidth being used as it is now
[1:45] <Ladycrow> because apparently this software (which obviously wasnt designed for 56k modem) is using 95% of my bandwidth for its own purposes and not leaving any for mine
[1:45] <Ladycrow> zothar, read what i wrote
[1:45] <Ladycrow> i understand that, my concern is when 95% of the data going thru is NOT for me
[1:45] <Zothar_Work> it's not just stuff that stored on your node; a lot of stuff passed through your node between the requester and the place it'
[1:45] <Ladycrow> this software was never designed for low bandwidth connections
[1:45] <Zothar_Work> ...the place it's stored
[1:45] <Ladycrow> i need to know, how to fix it, so to limit the amount of bandwidth being used for "other stuff"
[1:46] <Ladycrow> to something atleast reasonable
[1:46] <Zothar_Work> it's not designed for low bandwidth connections with the node owner expecting to get a majority of the traffic to themselves, no
[1:46] <Ladycrow> i would be happy with 50% even
[1:46] <Ladycrow> but when 95% of the bandwidth seems to be going to other stuff
[1:46] <Ladycrow> how can you not see that as being a serious problem, with anyone?
[1:47] <Ladycrow> in 5 hours of being connected, and 80 megabytes of total download / sending, i only received a TOTAL of 1 megabyte
[1:47] <Ladycrow> thats 1/80th
[1:47] <Ladycrow> 1 in 80
[1:47] <Ladycrow> lol
[1:47] <Ladycrow> what option settings, if any, can be changed to atleast limit things
[1:48] <Zothar_Work> you can limit your total bandwidth usage, but you can't limit traffic other than yours vs. your traffic; Freenet is designed to protect your anonymity, so if it can't hide your traffic in with everything else, your anonymity is already blown
[1:49] <Ladycrow> well it would make sense, for the software not to eat up more then 50% of your bandwidth
[1:49] <Ladycrow> no matter what connection speed you got
[1:49] <Ladycrow> fair shairing, would be 50 / 50
[1:49] <Ladycrow> whatabout the store data size, which is currently set at 1G
[1:50] <Zothar_Work> I think the point is that you seem to be approaching this from the stand point of filesharing, while Freenet approaches things from the standpoint of privacy, anonymity and personal security
[1:50] <Ladycrow> if i reduce that to a low number, would that help slow it down?
[1:50] <Zothar_Work> it's meant a lot more for Chinese dissidents than it is for trading the latest Britney Spears
[1:51] <Ladycrow> yeah but the file shairers are the ones who popularize p2p software, like this
[1:51] <Ladycrow> lol
[1:51] <Zothar_Work> Reducing the store size would potentially reduce your traffic, but note that statistically, more traffic will go through your node than stop at it (not only protecting your browsing, but what's stored on your computer)
[1:51] <Ladycrow> but regardless, a well designed software, would work regardless of your connection speed
[1:51] <Zothar_Work> Freenet isn't trying to cater to the file sharers
[1:51] <Ladycrow> it should automatically work within limits of your speed
[1:52] <Zothar_Work> it works, just not using the paradigm some might wish it to use
[1:52] <Ladycrow> and if anything, if its designed for foreign countries, there are a lot of poor people who are on dialup in other countries too
[1:52] <Ladycrow> 3 million+ people in the usa on dialup, and probably over 30 or 40 million people worldwide on dialup
[1:52] <Ladycrow> so it should be supported
[1:52] <Ladycrow> and work at a reasonable speed
[1:52] <Ladycrow> im not exactly being unreasonable
[1:53] <Ladycrow> its only giving me 1/80th of my bandwidth at the moment right now for my own use
[1:53] <Ladycrow> so that is ridiculous and a problem in the design
[1:53] <Zothar_Work> the use of your bandwidth is also a function of the bandwidth available to your peers, so if most of your peers also have less bandwidth than you, then you'll probably have an advantage; still it's all about hiding your traffic and stuff stored on your node in with all the other traffic, giving you plausible deniability if anything else
[1:53] <Ladycrow> atleast if the aim is to support everyone, including dissidents, then you should support dialup too
[1:54] <farrier-afk> Clearly, you're not a real dissident unless you have DSL.
[1:54] <_ph00> dissidents use dialup?
[1:54] <Zothar_Work> BTW, your perceived download speed isn't necessarily because of your dialup; Freenet doesn't retreive things at the same speed they'd be retreived through direct web server connection because of the traffic hiding nature and crypto involved
[1:55] <_ph00> not even at the same speed you could get trough a tor server...
[1:55] <Zothar_Work> Freenet supports communication amoung dissidents using the paradigm it advocates; dissidents are more worried about getting the information out there are accessing the information they want to get their hands on, while not getting killed or jailed much more than they are about whether it takes them 15 seconds or 2 hours do to so
[1:56] <_ph00> something in the order of sppeds you could get with those old 80's modems, when you actually put the telephone on a piece of hardware that produces noice and 'listens' to the enswer...
[1:56] <_ph00> answer*
[1:56] <_ph00> anyways
[1:56] <Zothar_Work> tor is merely onion routing; tracing things is much easier in that paradigm as I understand it (I don't understand it well, admittedly)
[1:57] <_ph00> are we talking about *good* dissident, or *bad* ones?
[1:57] <Zothar_Work> an acoustic coupler
[1:57] <_ph00> [no, you don't really have to answer to that...]
[1:57] <Zothar_Work> Freenet doesn't distinguish "good" and "bad" dissidents
[1:57] <OctobersDark> "China will pass the US in total broadband lines by the third quarter of 2006"
[1:58] <_ph00> tor is not un-trackable, but it is fairly anonymous for a not-so-intyresting (for the NSA) home user
[1:58] <Zothar_Work> I assume that's by number; looked at the population of China lately? The US just hit the 300 million mark; China is well over a billion last I heard
[1:58] <_ph00> the main advantage is, that tor can access the 'regular' internet, freenet can't. but the 'net in the net' thing is also good
[1:58] <OctobersDark> I think so Z here is the article http://www.websiteoptimization.com/bw/0610/
[1:59] <_ph00> china was around 1 and a half billion, yes
[1:59] <Zothar_Work> according to wikipedia, they have 1 billion more people than the US does
[1:59] <_ph00> maybe some more million too
[1:59] <_ph00> so?
[1:59] <Zothar_Work> _ph00: as I understand it, tor is basically the worst kind of opennet in that all the nodes know about each other, as I understand it
[2:00] <_ph00> china is big enough to compare it to the whole "west" instad of the US alone
[2:00] <Ladycrow> what does "busy" or "backed off" mean on the darknet screen
[2:00] <Zothar_Work> 4.3 Chinese person to 1 US person
[2:01] <_ph00> Zothar_Work; hum... not really. it's based on a completely different principle, it's not opennet *or* darknet, it's not even p2p: it's server-client.
[2:01] <Ladycrow> and should i be concerned about losing anonymously, if all my connections become "busy" while using Frost
[2:01] <Zothar_Work> Ladycrow: it means that either the connection is overloaded and the peer hasn't responded fast enough (timed out) or the peer is overloaded and asked your peer to hold on a sec (rejected)
[2:01] <_ph00> add more connections?
[2:01] <Ladycrow> i mean, do i need to have some that say "connected" at all times? and if i dont, and if they all become busy, or whatever, then is that a problem?
[2:01] <_ph00> Ladycrow; you want to have enough peers to have at least 10 connect peers (not counting busy and backed off)
[2:02] <Zothar_Work> _ph00: by opennet, I mean that all nodes know about each other; on Freenet, opennet is that all nodes can "potentially" know about each other, with harvesting
[2:02] <OctobersDark> Ladycrow: You aren't excactly "anonymous" to your peers
[2:02] <Ladycrow> i think because im on dialup, it wont get me that many
[2:02] <Ladycrow> and the reason im getting "busy" is because of being on dialup
[2:02] <_ph00> ok, in that case, a tor server would be 'opennet'
[2:02] <Zothar_Work> _ph00: Ladycrow is on dialup, so that rule of thumb probably doesn't apply as strongly
[2:02] <_ph00> ??noty a client
[2:02] <Ladycrow> thats why all my connected nodes turned into busy nodes after so much time
[2:02] <farrier-afk> "backed off" usually means you were busy, so they backed off, I think (at least, I think that's what ForwardRejectedOverload means).
[2:02] <_ph00> huh...
[2:02] <_ph00> never heard of freenet on dialup...
[2:02] <_ph00> let's say...
[2:03] <Ladycrow> my question is, if all my information on darknet says "busy"
[2:03] <_ph00> at least 3-4 connected peers then
[2:03] <Ladycrow> is that an issue with anonymously?
[2:03] <Zothar_Work> Ladycrow: are you getting rejected or timedout? Timeout on all peers means that your connection is saturated (but only if the peer is BUSY/BACKED OFF)
[2:03] <fridim> I'am inserting a big file. Everytime the node restarts, the file (which was inserted at 0%) is again compressed. Is it normal ?
[2:03] <_ph00> no, it's an issue with transfer rate
[2:03] <Ladycrow> and it seems like i constantly got "connected" popping up, it says connected for a second then it changes
[2:03] <Zothar_Work> (come to think of it, you won't see the reasons unless you're in the advanced mode)
[2:03] <Ladycrow> if i keep hitting refresh button on browser, on the darknet screen, it constantly goes from one being connected to not being connected
[2:03] <Zothar_Work> just note that all your peers being BUSY most/all of the time is quite possibly because of the size of your network connection
[2:03] <Ladycrow> i just went to advance mode, thats why i asked about backed off, it use to just say busy, and now it says backed off
[2:04] <Ladycrow> my question is, all my peers being busy or backed off, is that a problem with anonymosity?
[2:04] <_ph00> no
[2:04] <Ladycrow> for example, i was connected to 5 nodes, and it said "connected" for all 5
[2:04] <Ladycrow> then i started downloads in frost
[2:04] <farrier-afk> It's a problem with transfer speed though - means nobody's talking to you :)
[2:04] <Ladycrow> then all of them became busy
[2:04] <_ph00> the worst scenario is when all you peers are disconnected/backed off/busy, *but one*
[2:05] <Ladycrow> all my connections turned to busy
[2:05] <Ladycrow> so i just wanted to make sure it didnt screw up my anonymosity
[2:05] <_ph00> then all your traffic would be routed thru that one peer
[2:05] <_ph00> no. all of them turing buy shouldn't gbe a big anonymity problem
[2:06] <Zothar_Work> OK, then overload probability is the percentage of time that peer is backed off; if they're all high, you m ight consider removing the peer with the lowest % time routable (unless you've only got 3 left, then you might want to try to find peers with less bandwidth themselves)
[2:06] <Ladycrow> what if a peer constantly connects and disconnects for a few seconds at a time
[2:06] <_ph00> afaiu, the worst is having *one* connected peer
[2:06] <Ladycrow> and it seems to cycle
[2:06] <Ladycrow> like when i constantly hit refresh button to see whats going on
[2:06] <Ladycrow> i notice that different peers connect for a second then disconnect
[2:06] <Ladycrow> like it cycles thru them
[2:06] <_ph00> I never saw anything like that, so I can only assume that's because of you baing on dialup...
[2:07] <Ladycrow> guess im the first 56k modem "guinnea pig" here, lol
[2:07] <_ph00> maybe we should set up a bunch of dial-up nodes to test...
[2:07] <_ph00> basically, the 'worst' freeneters have adsl
[2:08] <_ph00> never heard of freenet on 56k... but it should work anyway
[2:08] <Zothar_Work> Ladycrow: the peer may be having trouble getting enough traffic through to even know you're still alive
[2:08] <_ph00> (I don't even want to *think* what kind of speeds you would get)
[2:08] <Zothar_Work> Ladycrow: how many peers total do you have now?
[2:09] <Zothar_Work> by disconnect, do you mean DISCONNECTED or BACKED OFF?
[2:09] <Zothar_Work> toad_, nextgens: you might be interested in this conversation when you read the backlog
[2:10] <_ph00> time is 3 AM in Europe...
[2:10] <_ph00> I guess we 'll have to wait several hours before the devs read this
[2:11] <Zothar_Work> _ph00: that just means that one peer will get pounded for a few milliseconds until it backs off too, then the node routes to the best one anyone until one comes out of back off; the new load limiting/load balancing should help dialup stuff some
[2:11] <_ph00> ifaik, they's all based in europe
[2:11] <Ladycrow> well it says 10900 ms pings, or higher on most of the backed off ones
[2:11] <Ladycrow> by disconnect i mean backed off, i guess
[2:11] <Ladycrow> it becomes connected for a second then it back off
[2:11] <Zothar_Work> _ph00: that's why I spelled their names exactly, so they'll notice the line better if they don't see the long conversation already
[2:11] <_ph00> yes
[2:11] <Ladycrow> and it seems to cycle thru them, with different ones becoming connected for a second
[2:11] <_ph00> I noticed that
[2:11] <_ph00> they should see their clients blinking
[2:11] <Zothar_Work> Ladycrow: what's your average ping time for the node?
[2:12] <Ladycrow> where do i see that
[2:12] <Ladycrow> i mean where do i find that
[2:12] <Ladycrow> Home
[2:12] <Ladycrow> Plugins
[2:12] <Ladycrow> Configuration
[2:12] <Ladycrow> Darknet
[2:12] <Ladycrow> Queue
[2:12] <Ladycrow> Statistics
[2:12] <Zothar_Work> top of the /darknet/ or /stats/ page
[2:12] <Ladycrow> Outstanding alerts
[2:12] <Ladycrow> Critical Error: 1 | Warning: 1 | Total: 2 | See them on the Freenet FProxy Homepage.
[2:12] <Ladycrow> Node status overview
[2:12] <Ladycrow> bwlimitDelayTime: 10785ms
[2:12] <Ladycrow> nodeAveragePingTime: 14082ms
[2:13] <Ladycrow> networkSizeEstimateSession: 354 nodes
[2:13] <Ladycrow> nodeUptime: 8h10m
[2:13] <Ladycrow> missRoutingDistance: 0.1191
[2:13] <Ladycrow> backedoffPercent: 63.0%
[2:13] <Ladycrow> pInstantReject: 96.7%
[2:13] <Ladycrow> there found it
[2:13] <Ladycrow> thats the cut and paste of it
[2:14] <_ph00> what are that error and warning about?
[2:14] <Zothar_Work> yeah, you're gonna probably want to set Frost to be _much_ less aggressive about updating, you'll want to set your output bandwidth limit and maybe your input bandwidth limit to something at or below 90% of your total available bandwidth (in bytes)
[2:14] <Ladycrow> i have what i consider to be a decent 56k connection, since i play a few games multiplayer that i seen other people with 56k not be able to play
[2:14] <_ph00> (too few connetced peers?)
[2:14] <Zothar_Work> how many peers total?
[2:14] <Ladycrow> like warcraft 3, played a few hundred games of it on 56k, without ever getting dropped
[2:14] <Ladycrow> while other people on 56k, seen get dropped and disconnected while playing warcraft 3 multiplayer
[2:14] <Zothar_Work> Freenet's defaults don't assume dialup
[2:15] <Ladycrow> so, my 56k is fairly decent, as far as 56k modems go
[2:15] <Ladycrow> i got 2 connected peers, 3 backed off peers, and 8 disconnected peers
[2:15] <Ladycrow> at the moment
[2:15] <Ladycrow> it will probably change to 5 backed off peers in another millisecond
[2:15] <Ladycrow> since it keeps jumping around
[2:16] <Ladycrow> i set my output bandwidth limit to 1k, and my download limit is set at -1 (which makes it 4k)
[2:16] <Zothar_Work> Ladycrow: do you have a public IP address or are you behind a NAT or something that would need UDP hole punching or port forwarding?
[2:16] <_ph00> a 56k modem can take ~5KB/s, which *could* be enough to keep freenet running: hmmm... what about your max allowd abdwidth? did you keep the default 15K or did you set it to 5K or lower (which I guess should be the right setting for a 56k)
[2:16] <_ph00> bandwidth*
[2:16] <Ladycrow> i tryed setting output limit to 2k and 3k, but didnt seem to change anything
[2:17] <_ph00> 1k?
[2:17] <Ladycrow> i can do 5k downloads sometime on other p2p software
[2:17] <_ph00> try setting it to 5
[2:17] <Ladycrow> usually average 4.5k or something on downloads
[2:17] <Ladycrow> upload speed on a 56k modem, never goes beyond like 2k
[2:17] <_ph00> right...
[2:17] <_ph00> so
[2:18] <Ladycrow> also upload speed gets subtracted from your download
[2:18] <Ladycrow> in other words, if i upload at 2k, then i cant download faster then 3k
[2:18] <_ph00> maybe your peers don't even know that you're 'alive'
[2:18] <Zothar_Work> Ladycrow: please answer my question as it affects my next advice :)
[2:18] <Ladycrow> your upload + download combined = 56k
[2:18] <_ph00> ok, that's 5K combined speed then
[2:18] <Ladycrow> the upload speed subtracts from the download speed
[2:18] <_ph00> k
[2:18] <Ladycrow> its a public ip address
[2:18] <Zothar_Work> (connection is probably laggy, come to think of it... :)
[2:18] <_ph00> set the max band to 3?
[2:18] <Zothar_Work> OK, since it's public and clear of NAT, set ALL of your peers to ListenOnly
[2:19] <Zothar_Work> that way you don't send them any packets unless they talk to you first
[2:19] <Ladycrow> how do you do that?
[2:19] <Zothar_Work> this way, the disconnected nodes don't eat precious bytes
[2:19] <_ph00> chheck the checkboxes on the left side of the peers' names
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[2:19] <Zothar_Work> check the box next to each peer and the select the "set ListenOnly" line in the select box
[2:20] <_ph00> then set the dropdown-menu to 'set to listn only' and hit 'go'
[2:20] <Zothar_Work> (yeah, and hit Go :)
[2:20] <_ph00> oh
[2:20] <Ladycrow> okay i did that
[2:20] <Ladycrow> didnt see any changes
[2:20] <_ph00> does that require restarting?
[2:20] <_ph00> maybe?
[2:21] <_ph00> usually, I restart my node when I change something
[2:21] <Zothar_Work> it won't be immediate as those numbers are averaged over several minutes IIRC, though you may consider disabling a few peers until you're down to three CONNECTED/BACKED OFF to reduce the load on your pipe
[2:21] <freenut> how do i find "keys"
[2:22] <Zothar_Work> no, doesn't require restarting (I wrote the code for ListenOnly and BurstOnly and Disable and.... (other stuff too :)
[2:22] <Ladycrow> do i need to restart, and will that mess up Frost?
[2:22] <Zothar_Work> )
[2:22] <Ladycrow> what does listen only do
[2:22] <Ladycrow> and what does burst only do?
[2:22] <Zothar_Work> Ladycrow: you're gonna want to change the update interval to be _much_ longer in Frost
[2:22] <Ladycrow> where do i change that
[2:23] <Zothar_Work> ListenOnly means that for disconnected peers that have ListenOnly set, they won't send Handshake request packets (they won't try to connect), so they'll only connect if the peer sends your node a Handshake request
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[2:24] <Ladycrow> okay im looking in frost under preferences, dont see what update interval your saying i should change?
[2:24] <Zothar_Work> BurstOnly is almost the same a ListenOnly, except that it occasionally sends a few Handshake request packets a few at a time, but mostly waits for the other end to talk first
[2:24] * Zothar_Work first up Frost
[2:24] <Zothar_Work> s/first/fires/
[2:26] <Ladycrow> ?
[2:26] <Zothar_Work> set the number of download threads to 1 and the same with splitfile threads on the first tab
[2:27] <Zothar_Work> in the News (3) tab, set the minimum update interval to some much bigger number and the concurrently updating boards to 1
[2:27] <Ladycrow> well wouldnt more downloads be better
[2:28] <Ladycrow> to force it to use more bandwidth for me, basically, with more downloads
[2:28] <Ladycrow> and if i get a really slow download
[2:28] <Ladycrow> like 100 bytes a second
[2:28] <Zothar_Work> that looks like all the performance impacting stuff
[2:28] <Ladycrow> then having a few downloads at a time, would hopefully speed it up
[2:29] <Zothar_Work> the problem, at the moment, is that your connection is getting overloaded; you want the bwlimitDelayTime and bwlimitDelayTime to both be below 1000ms if possible
[2:30] <Zothar_Work> remember, Freenet has a lot of overhead for anonymity and it's currently not tuned compile-time-setting-wise for not sending packets as often on a "very low bandwidth" connection
[2:31] <_ph00> me, I have the opposithe problem: I have 10Mbits on up and 10 on down, and I can't make freenet use more bandwidth (I'm trying by adding more peers)
[2:32] <Ladycrow> on other p2p i can download 200 megabytes a day, on 56k
[2:32] <Ladycrow> which suits me fine
[2:32] <Ladycrow> i would be happy here, if i can even get 100 megs a day
[2:32] <Ladycrow> but at the current speed of things, im doing like 1 megabyte in 5 hours
[2:33] <Ladycrow> so 5 megabytes per 24 hours of downloading, would be a problem
[2:33] <Ladycrow> lol
[2:33] <Ladycrow> just a suggestion, but i think this is a good one
[2:33] <Ladycrow> you may want to on the next version of the software, to add soemthing to the code
[2:33] <Ladycrow> that automatically determines the persons connection speed
[2:33] <Ladycrow> then auto adjusts for it
[2:34] <Zothar_Work> I don't think you're gonna get 100 MB a day to yourself here; perhaps nextgens or toad_ have some ideas regarding this once load balancing/load limiting, etc. get in; keep in mind that Frost itself puts a lot of load on a node if it has few resources
[2:34] <Ladycrow> shouldnt be too hard to check if someone is on 56k, automatically in the software
[2:34] <Ladycrow> or 128k dsl
[2:34] <Ladycrow> or a fast connection like yours
[2:34] <Ladycrow> check the speed, and adjust if the person isnt on a great connection
[2:34] <Zothar_Work> I gotta go as I'm off work now
[2:34] <_ph00> huh? why not a simple setting table? "for dialup connections adjust your max badwidth to 3K"
[2:34] <Zothar_Work> there are many more usability things that could be added I'm sure; we're still in Alpha, so it's not too surprising that we don't have all of them yet :)
[2:35] <Zothar_Work> laters
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[2:35] <_ph00> c.u.
[2:35] <_ph00> bah
[2:35] <_ph00> hm...
[2:36] <_ph00> maybe, trying to get all the 56k nodes to peer with each other for the most, and then connect to the rest of the nework by on adsl or better peer each...
[2:36] <_ph00> anh
[2:36] <_ph00> nah
[2:37] <_ph00> a couple of 56k testing nodes would be a nice idea.
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[2:47] <Ladycrow> what the most freaking annoying thing is Frost not telling me how much of a file it downloaded
[2:47] <Ladycrow> i could be waiting 2 hours to get a 50k file
[2:47] <Ladycrow> and no clue if it downloading 1k or 49k
[2:47] <Ladycrow> would be nice if Frost would tell you how much it downloaded, as it goes
[2:48] <Ladycrow> also would help with fine tuning it, since i can see how any changes i make, improves it
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[2:49] <farrier-afk> Use thaw? Shows you the %downloaded.
[2:52] <farrier-afk> Question: how do I insert a file? Using Thaw, I clicked "insert" button, selected the file, llama_sexxorz_the_cactus.jpg and clicked "insert". Now it's sitting with the file, status "inserting", progress 0% - am I doing anything wrong, or do I just wait?
[2:52] * farrier-afk may have lied about the filename.
[2:54] <farrier-afk> on the other hand, I was working near a field of llamas recently (or they may have been alpacas or something, I dunno) and they looked much sexier than sheep. Mmm-mmm! Wouldn't throw them out of bed, no sirree.
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[3:06] <Ladycrow> anyways, to the people i was talking to before
[3:06] <Ladycrow> i got my nodeaverageping down to 3800 ms now
[3:07] <Ladycrow> much better then 15,000
[3:07] <Ladycrow> seems to be working much better now
[3:07] <Ladycrow> reduced number of connections to 3, and disabled all the others
[3:07] <Ladycrow> i had 6 backed off, 10 never connected, and like 8 disconnected before
[3:07] <Ladycrow> or something like that
[3:07] <Ladycrow> so got rid of all those
[3:08] <Ladycrow> i found the 3 best ones, and those are connected
[3:08] <Ladycrow> and i set it to burst only
[3:08] <Ladycrow> that seems to work better then listen only for me
[3:08] <Ladycrow> down to 3800 ms now
[3:08] <Ladycrow> seems to be working much better now
[3:11] <farrier-afk> If you're feeling up to it, it might be worth your writing that stuff down, and writing an optimisation howto for other dialup users in the future.
[3:12] <farrier-afk> While you do that, I shall search for alpaca porn.
[3:22] <farrier-afk> Oh, my poor eyes.
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[3:28] <Ladycrow> what is "alpaca" porn
[3:28] <Ladycrow> i mean what does alpaca stand for?
[3:37] <Caco_Patane> in spanish is a kind of metal
[3:37] <Caco_Patane> s/kind/type
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[3:47] <Ladycrow> hey i got a newbie question again
[3:48] <Ladycrow> i got a list of boards
[3:48] <Ladycrow> some of the boards have a public key on them
[3:48] <Ladycrow> how do i add a board (a pre-existing board), so i can access it
[3:48] <Ladycrow> that has a public key
[3:48] <Ladycrow> where i know the key
[3:48] <Ladycrow> where do i cut and paste the key, in Frost to add it?
[3:53] <OctobersDark> Right-Click is your friend Ladycrow
[3:55] <OctobersDark> I gotta scoot
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[8:46] <nextgens> nah, upload/download speed isn't combined on a 56k modem
[8:46] <nextgens> it's related but not combined
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[9:25] <Iceman_B^Ltop> jooblah /o/
[9:25] <Iceman_B^Ltop> er, hi
[9:28] <nextgens> hi
[9:37] <Iceman_B^Ltop> this is the correct place if you need a node, right? I mean, as a firsttime user
[9:38] <nextgens> try #freenet-refs insteed :)
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[9:50] <Iceman_B^Ltop> thank you
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[12:19] <_ph00> MineHaunter; [and 4 more who are not on line right now] our nodes are disconnected; is yours up?
[12:20] <_ph00> who runs the node called 'darkwebnet247'? [that's also disconnected]
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[12:42] <MineHaunter> _ph00: my node's up but I updated some minutes ago, maybe we should wait for them to reconnect..
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[12:43] <_ph00> it's been disconnected for over 9 hours...
[12:43] <Ladycrow> hi
[12:43] <_ph00> lo?
[12:43] <Ladycrow> i was wondering a couple things about Frost
[12:43] <Ladycrow> first, if i get disconnected or have to reconnect to my isp
[12:43] <Ladycrow> since im on dialup, i often get disconnected once a day or something
[12:43] <Ladycrow> if i have any downloads going
[12:43] <Ladycrow> say a big download 300 mb or something
[12:44] <Ladycrow> which for me, could take a few days to finish
[12:44] <_ph00> they 'll resume, not start from scratch again
[12:44] <Ladycrow> does it automatically resume if you exit frost or if you get disconnected
[12:44] <MineHaunter> _ph00: yeah right... dunno why?
[12:44] <_ph00> 'yeah right' what?
[12:44] <Ladycrow> it also resumes if you exit the software itself, frost, right?
[12:44] <MineHaunter> _ph00: 9h disconnection
[12:44] <_ph00> it is
[12:44] <_ph00> really
[12:45] <_ph00> has
[12:45] <_ph00> been disconnected for 9 hrs
[12:45] <_ph00> Ladycrow; resumes anyways
[12:47] <Ladycrow> k thanks
[12:47] <Ladycrow> my second question was, does the boards themselves on frost, also are anonymous
[12:47] <Ladycrow> i mean if i post a message to a mp3 board asking about getting a file
[12:47] <Ladycrow> or something similiar
[12:47] <TheSeeker> hmm, I have frost messages that have been trying to insert for many hours ... I think priority might have been broken a bit
[12:48] <Ladycrow> are messages posted on the boards, also anonymous in Frost?
[12:48] <TheSeeker> 'the boards' ?
[12:49] <_ph00> they are anonymous as long as you don't make yourself recognizable as the person talking here right now [your IP is visible]
[12:50] <_ph00> or do something that screws your anonymity
[12:50] <_ph00> but bascically yes, they should be anonymous
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[13:21] <Ladycrow> k
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[13:28] <MineHaunter> how do I change fProxy bind port?
[13:28] <MineHaunter> I cannot find that parameter in freenet.ini
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[13:44] <OctoberBork> MineHaunter: you mean the FNP port number (UDP)?
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[13:46] <toad_> rehi
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[13:47] <TheSeeker> hmm... why isn't frost inserting my messages? bleh.
[13:48] <TheSeeker> I've got 5 messages queued now, 3 from yesterday, and they're all "waiting" ... I'd ask bback on the frost board... but that would be rather difficult if it's not uploading messages x_x
[13:50] <toad_> Ladycrow: i hear EVE also works on a dial-up
[13:52] <toad_> Ladycrow: also more connections is better yes; if you only have 1 connection then it's very easy for that one peer to attack you
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[13:56] <MineHaunter> OctoberBork: no, i mean the fProxy port, 8888 by default
[13:56] <MineHaunter> found out anyway
[13:56] <MineHaunter> it is fproxy.port=
[13:56] <toad_> Xosy: we can't guarantee that N% of your bandwidth is used for local stuff, but the problem may not have anything to do with that; some stuff is just hard to find
[13:57] <MineHaunter> there's no such field by default in freenet.ini
[13:57] <MineHaunter> I added it and now it works
[13:57] <toad_> no such field? really?
[13:57] <toad_> i thought that was always written ?
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[13:58] <Zothar> I might be working on the FCP-based config stuff this weekend; dunno yet; I'm also considering working on pyfcp and the refbot...
[13:58] <Zothar> (switch it to using FCP to add rather than TMCI)
[13:58] <Zothar> (and make it smarter in the process :)
[13:59] <toad_> all peers saying busy isn't a problem for anonymity
[13:59] <toad_> only 1 peer CONNECTED and the rest BUSY might be
[13:59] <toad_> Zothar: hi
[13:59] <Zothar> hi
[13:59] <toad_> fridim: it should resume on startup from where it left off
[14:00] <toad_> fridim: doesn't it?
[14:01] <toad_> other point ... freenet load balancing sucks right now, this probably affects dial-up more than most
[14:01] <toad_> will be fixed
[14:01] <MineHaunter> toad_: no, that field does not exists in freenet.ini but it is honored if you add it
[14:01] <toad_> MineHaunter: hmmm
[14:05] * toad_ thinks Ladycrow is wrong about modems
[14:06] <toad_> Zothar: on a dial-up you still need to worry about the other side being NATed; Burst Only is probably better
[14:08] <Zothar> toad_: my thinking is that few NATs require incoming traffic to open a hole as most open based on outgoing traffic, otherwise it'd be a "reverse NAT" or protecting the wrong side of the NAT, no?
[14:09] <toad_> yes but what if the IP address changes
[14:09] <toad_> as it will every time the connection is broken
[14:10] <Zothar> Ladycrow said she has a public IP; I guess I forgot to press to make sure it was static also
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[14:29] <_ph00> freenet is using a lot of cpu and I don't know why. I tried top and it says that one java process is using ~60% CPU, my cpu monitoring panel applet says cpu 100% in use [but the highest ~20% is colored as 'IOWait']stopping freenet makes the cpu go back to normal.
[14:30] <Zothar> _ph00: tried the latest testing build? It's improved CPU usage
[14:30] <_ph00> even without counting 'iowait' as usage, cpu usage is over 65%, almost ll of it used by java
[14:30] <nextgens> hi
[14:31] <_ph00> hi
[14:31] <nextgens> Beta_M> it seems that FIN insertion is br0ken using latest trunk
[14:31] <Zothar> toad_: BTW, I'm wondering if there might be some other infinite loops in there or something as I've gotten a very high CPU usage on one of my nodes since
[14:31] <nextgens> Beta_M> may you have a look at it ?
[14:31] <_ph00> I'll try it, OK, but the problem is, that I didn't get that kind of cpu usage before (I'm gonna look at the activity: maybe it's being particularly active right now)
[14:32] <nextgens> toad_> I suggest you consider doing some work on the database ... it might help reducing the I/O usage too
[14:32] <Zothar> (quite possibly a missing formPassword issue Beta_M; it was for several other things that had been recently broken
[14:32] <_ph00> telephone....
[14:32] <nextgens> Zothar> may you fix it please ? I can't start eclipse here
[14:33] * nextgens will fix emu's backups today
[14:33] <Zothar> nextgens: which, FINs?
[14:33] <nextgens> yes
[14:33] <Zothar> guess I'll have to find out how they work/where they're implemented... :)
[14:33] * nextgens bets you're right; as it loads the welcome toadlet insteed
[14:33] <nextgens> Zothar> on indicia, there is a form using it
[14:33] <Zothar> ok, cool
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[14:38] <Zothar> nextgens: check the page source for the indicia FIN inserter as it's got a commentException, so perhaps the problem isn't the node on form submit side, but rather the filter or the code sent through the filter
[14:40] <nextgens> ah, right
[14:40] <Zothar> that's outside my Freenet code expertise ATM and it'll probably stay that way for awhile (I'll be generally busy for the next few hours)
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[15:08] <nextgens> :S
[15:08] <nextgens> bytemark's NFS server is stalled
[15:11] * nextgens should reboot
[15:11] <nextgens> and maybe update the kernel too
[15:11] <nextgens> 15:11:21 up 241 days, 16:12, 2 users, load average: 1.06, 1.03, 0.75
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[15:17] <Ladycrow> hello
[15:18] <Ladycrow> What does "enable requesting of failed download files (on)" mean?
[15:18] <Ladycrow> in frost?
[15:18] <nextgens> nothing
[15:18] <nextgens> it's probably useless on .7
[15:20] <Ladycrow> well im up to 3 retries attempt on one file
[15:20] <Ladycrow> and soon will be over 5
[15:20] <Ladycrow> and supposedly after 5 retries it does the "requesting of failed fiels"
[15:20] <Ladycrow> files
[15:21] <Ladycrow> so its not really going to do much?
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[15:38] <Xosy> can your peers spy on you, see what files you upload or download in stuff like Frost?
[15:44] <Xosy> can someone answer my last question please, thanks
[15:50] <nextgens> DISTCC_HOSTS="compilefarm.bytemark.co.uk" nice -n 19 make -j 8 bzImage
[15:50] <CIA-14> toad * r10855 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Implement TOO_MANY_PATH_COMPONENTS.
[15:50] <nextgens> Xosy> not easily
[15:51] <nextgens> Xosy> but if someone can, your peers are the more likely to be able to
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[15:52] <Xosoy> Can your peers spy on you, i mean what files you download or upload, on things like Frost?
[15:53] <Xosoy> i read a rumour about it, and was curious how true or not it was?
[15:53] <toad_> Zothar: it's possible... i get fairly low cpu here most of the time
[15:53] <toad_> Zothar: get a stack dump when it's at 100%, or do some cpu profiling
[15:54] <nextgens> hey toad
[15:54] <nextgens> I'm currently rebuilding a new kernel for emu
[15:54] <Zothar> toad_: that reminds me; stack/thread dumps haven't been working for me lately; the wrapper.log mentions doing it, but the dump itself never shows
[15:55] <Zothar> gtg
[15:55] <toad_> hmmm, was there or wasn't there a formPassword bug? Zothar ? _ph00 ?
[15:55] <nextgens> it will lead to some downtime, and repository unaviability
[15:55] <nextgens> tell me when I can reboot
[15:55] <toad_> the add-a-bookmark links from the websites worked last time i checked, don't they work now?
[15:55] <Zothar> toad_: for FINs? Dunno; there was a commentException in the HTML form nextgens had as a proof of concept input to FINs
[15:55] <nextgens> it's not quite ready yet though
[15:55] <Zothar> (haven't tried bookmarks)
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[15:56] <toad_> Xosy: if they are clever, yes, probably
[15:56] <Xosoy> hmms
[15:57] <toad_> nextgens: how much downtime?
[15:58] <toad_> Zothar: you have a site which has a FIN form in it for me to debug?
[15:58] <toad_> nextgens: if it's only a few minutes, then do it now
[15:58] <Xosoy> i dont understand, if its anonymous
[15:58] <toad_> Xosoy: it's supposed to be anonymous
[15:58] <toad_> in practice there are some attacks
[15:58] <Xosoy> and if you have data going in and out
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[15:58] <toad_> they're not particularly easy, but some of them are feasible
[15:58] <Xosoy> shouldn't it be hard to figure out where the data is going to, even if it goes thru your node
[15:58] <Xosoy> or is really just going to you?
[15:59] <toad_> yes, but they can try to figure out which requests are yours
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[15:59] <toad_> based on the fact that requests can be related to each other
[15:59] <nextgens> toad_> I dunno, like when you update a remote heavily patched kernel ... (grsec, ...)
[15:59] <toad_> e.g. different frost posts by the same identity
[15:59] <nextgens> a matter of seconds if it works
[15:59] <nextgens> hours if it doesn't
[15:59] <toad_> nextgens: and if it doesn't?
[15:59] <Xosy> can you do something in future frost versions to better protect against peer spying?
[16:00] <toad_> Xosy: it's not just frost, it's splitfiles (any file over 32kB), it's freesites, it's lots of things
[16:00] <nextgens> assuming you manage not to lock yourself out
[16:00] <nextgens> otherwise it's days
[16:00] <toad_> Xosy: you can also probe people's datastores
[16:00] <toad_> nextgens: how urgent is it?
[16:01] <Xosy> what do you mean by probe datastores?
[16:01] <nextgens> emu needs a reboot anyway... So I'd like to take the chance and update the kernel in the meantime
[16:01] <toad_> Xosy: send some requests, time how long they take, if they're fast, the data was probably already in the store of the target node
[16:01] <nextgens> 16:01:33 up 241 days, 17:02, 4 users, load average: 2.81, 3.21, 2.88
[16:01] <toad_> nextgens: hmmm
[16:01] <nextgens> as we don't do it often ^^-^^
[16:01] <toad_> nextgens: maybe wait until 994 is out
[16:01] <toad_> that should be today
[16:02] <nextgens> ok
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[16:02] <toad_> brb
[16:02] <nextgens> well, I'm not sure it will be better when the website will be down ;)
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[16:02] <Xosy> which is probably more anonymous, freenet 0.5 or freenet 0.7?
[16:03] <nextgens> .7
[16:05] <Xosy> but only if you use trusted peers?
[16:05] <Xosy> most people use peers in freenet-refs
[16:05] <Xosy> so wouldnt that make it less anonymous then 0.5?
[16:07] <nextgens> I suggest you read the FAQ
[16:09] * nextgens crosses fingers and start the compilation
[16:10] <nextgens> hmmm
[16:10] <nextgens> it breaks
[16:10] * sich allume un cierge
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[16:31] <hopeatikari> ! Split between servers orwell.freenode.net and irc.freenode.net, What's thats supposet to mean.
[16:33] <TheSeeker> it means those two servers stopped talking to eachother and had to reconnect.
[16:34] <TheSeeker> you may have noticed a large number of people parting, and then joining again soon after...
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[16:35] <stpeter> hi
[16:48] <nextgens> toad_> I suggest you make 994 mandatory so that probe requests would work
[16:48] <nextgens> but fixing FINs before releasing it would be a good idea
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[17:00] * nextgens is ready
[17:00] <nextgens> I'll do it now
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[17:07] * Topic is 'http://freenetproject.org/download.html (990 - mandatory), please read that page before asking questions here. For help, ask here, if you would like to exchange references, please join #freenet-refs. FAQ: http://wiki.freenetproject.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions | logs: http://emu.freenetproject.org/irc/ | Tor blocked due to spam: get a tor/regular cloak or get an op to voice you'
[17:07] * Set by nextgens on Mon Oct 09 13:24:41 UTC 2006
[17:07] <Griffon26> whooptidoo
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[17:21] <Iceman_B^Ltop> I have a question about the "port restricted NAT" message
[17:22] <Zothar> toad_: the FIN page that's not working from what I understand (haven't tried it myself, nextgens gave this to me), which appears to be hitting a commentException, so it may not be formPassword necessarily (but may be a combination of that and the commentException)
[17:23] <Zothar> Iceman_B^Ltop: I'd try to answer, but I'm not sure what's meant by it, so will have to defer to the answers of others
[17:24] <toad_> Zothar: url?
[17:24] <Zothar> ah, silly me
[17:24] <Zothar> http://sowderd9.home:8888/USK@c55vMxUl-T-lD3nv0iOaXF~G1hnY6pOMRbzZSwACMmY,yd8~uwUmGm164-ipStoiBOJVjkbbYXJMlD~H5ftPxIA,AQABAAE/Indicia/49/newsite
[17:24] <Iceman_B^Ltop> what Im wondering is this, I'm behing a simple router
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[17:24] <nextgens> re-hi
[17:24] <toad_> nextgens: wb
[17:24] <Iceman_B^Ltop> I forwarded the a port to this machine and I edited the ini to reflect this
[17:24] <Zothar> howdy
[17:24] <toad_> nextgens: i'm not going to make 994 mandatory
[17:25] <Iceman_B^Ltop> so I'd say everything is set up fine, but how come I wont be able to connect to folks behind "synmmetric NAT" ?
[17:25] * nextgens hasn't seen any collat?ral domage due to the kernel update yet
[17:25] <toad_> nextgens: i think we shouldn't do any more mandatory's until update-over-mandatory is working
[17:25] <toad_> Iceman_B^Ltop: you may be able to
[17:25] <nextgens> well, it prevents us from playing with probe requests :/
[17:25] <nextgens> maybe you should up the priority of binary blobs then ;)
[17:25] <toad_> then maybe i should implement binary blobs :)
[17:25] <Iceman_B^Ltop> is it within my control or does it depend on how well the other party configures his/her network?
[17:26] <nextgens> toad_> or make a "timebomb" as we did
[17:26] <toad_> Iceman_B^Ltop: freenet doesn't know that you forwarded the port, so it assumes you're just NATed
[17:26] <Iceman_B^Ltop> ah
[17:26] <Iceman_B^Ltop> ok
[17:26] * nextgens suggests you have a look to the "FINs" not working anymore bug before releasing though
[17:26] [freenode-connect VERSION]
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[17:27] <CIA-14> toad * r10856 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/client/async/ (4 files): Never reset isFinal to true. (Fixes some possible problems in last commit).
[17:27] <toad_> right, FINs next
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[17:28] <nextgens> the new kernel scheduler policy seems to perform better
[17:28] <nextgens> I ought to have switched to it before :/
[17:29] <JustMe> I get code 11 on *all* old inserted files with FUQID now.
[17:31] <JustMe> r10855
[17:31] <nextgens> FreenetLogBot> c'mon
[17:31] * nextgens wonders if the auto-build script is still working
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[17:33] <nextgens> yay
[17:34] <nextgens> ok, now let's fix backup scripts
[17:35] <toad_> INFO | jvm 1 | 2006/11/10 17:27:43 | Exception in thread "Decoder for freenet.client.async.SplitFileFetcherSegment@496168c4" java.lang.NullPointerException: Null: data block 0
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[17:35] <toad_> hmmmm
[17:36] <nextgens> toad_> get the new freenet-ext.jar
[17:36] <toad_> nextgens: you sure?
[17:36] * nextgens thinks that's related to the fec-not-loading
[17:36] <nextgens> no, I'm not
[17:36] <JustMe> So FUQID is broken by the new changes as far as downloading old files?
[17:36] * toad_ not sure how...
[17:36] <nextgens> but since I've updated it, I don't see it anymore
[17:37] <toad_> JustMe: Thaw, Frost etc will need to be patched to deal with the new behaviour
[17:37] * nextgens bets that's the "force a filename on chk" thingy
[17:37] <Zothar> nextgens: BTW, the rev didn't get updated for freenet-ext #7
[17:37] <toad_> JustMe: one way you can deal with it is to delete the filename
[17:37] <JustMe> Ok thanks for the answer Toad.
[17:37] <nextgens> Zothar> I haven't released it as it ought to be yet
[17:37] <nextgens> Zothar> #8 will be out soon
[17:37] <Zothar> ok
[17:37] <Zothar> cool
[17:37] <nextgens> with new BDB, updated wrapper, and hopefully, fully recompiled onion stuffs
[17:38] <nextgens> including x86_64 binaries for it
[17:38] <toad_> that would be nice
[17:38] <nextgens> but time consuming :)
[17:40] <nextgens> so my current todo is :
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[17:41] <nextgens> 1) fix emu and monitor it during the comming days
[17:41] <nextgens> 2) release the new freenet-ext
[17:41] <nextgens> 3) finish and release the new version of the installer
[17:41] <toad_> sounds good
[17:41] <nextgens> 4) StS
[17:42] <nextgens> it would be cool if in the meantime we had binary blobs and update over mandatory btw
[17:43] <nextgens> so that freenet-ext could get auto-updated
[17:43] <nextgens> ;)
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[18:19] <toad_> nextgens: what do binary blobs have to do with auto-update of freenet-ext.jar?
[18:21] <nextgens> it's likely that the conventionnal auto-updater won't ever be able to update freenet-ext
[18:21] <nextgens> last time I tried to hack something up with it, it blown up :p
[18:22] <nextgens> it wasn't able to replace the file "live"
[18:22] <toad_> anyone have a uri for a test FIN site?
[18:22] <toad_> other than the new-site FIN on Indicia?
[18:22] <nextgens> even if I weren't on doze
[18:22] <nextgens> there is a link on the wiki page iirc
[18:22] <toad_> nextgens: how is it any different to freenet.jar?
[18:22] <nextgens> dunno
[18:23] <nextgens> but I know the jvm blown away when I did it
[18:23] <nextgens> maybe because it's using/hosting JNI components
[18:23] <nextgens> maybe using the w32 workaround would be sufficient though
[18:24] <nextgens> I haven't investigated more than that
[18:24] <nextgens> try it :
[18:24] <toad_> hmmm
[18:24] <nextgens> start up a node, replace freenet-ext with a different file, and see how long your node stays up
[18:24] <toad_> using the windows workaround is probably best
[18:25] <fridim> nov 10 15:02:49 <toad_> fridim: it should resume on startup from where it left off <- Nextgens makes me increase the memory allocated to 256, it is ok now. With 128, it didn't resume, and restart at 0%
[18:25] <nextgens> that was an OOM problem
[18:25] <fridim> yep
[18:26] <nextgens> caused when loading the sore/resuming FCP jobs
[18:26] <CIA-14> toad * r10857 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/client/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
[18:26] <CIA-14> Fix several bugs related to archives and splitfile fetches.
[18:26] <CIA-14> Including the Null: data block 0 bug and the infinite recursion in fetchArchive bug.
[18:26] <nextgens> maybe the unified Environement would have helped ;)
[18:26] <toad_> :)
[18:26] <toad_> maybe
[18:26] <fridim> unified environment ?
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[18:26] <nextgens> ok, so the NPE you pasted earlier wasn't related at all with FEC ?
[18:27] <toad_> nope
[18:27] <toad_> it's fixed now, i think
[18:28] <nextgens> toad_> http://localhost:8888/freenet:KSK@FrostInstantNote.test.html
[18:29] <nextgens> http://wiki.freenetproject.org/FreenetFINs
[18:29] <nextgens> 64 bytes from emu.freenetproject.org (80.68.80.201): icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=906 ms
[18:29] <nextgens> 64 bytes from emu.freenetproject.org (80.68.80.201): icmp_seq=2 ttl=53 time=1015 ms
[18:29] <nextgens> :S
[18:29] <nextgens> hmm
[18:29] <nextgens> it's my internet connection :)
[18:30] <Griffon26> I postulate programmers are three-letter-acronym fetishists
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[18:33] <Griffon26> and I bet if we'd have more than 26 letters in the alphabet, some wouldn't even get to the 3 letter acronyms
[18:33] <toad_> <Zothar> toad_: that reminds me; stack/thread dumps haven't been working for me lately; the wrapper.log mentions doing it, but the dump itself never shows
[18:33] <toad_> can't reproduce, ignoring
[18:34] <Zothar> maybe I'll file a bug with exact version details and such at some point
[18:35] <CIA-14> toad * r10858 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/SimpleToadletServer.java: Always write fproxy port number to disk, since it can't be changed on the fly.
[18:36] <toad_> nextgens: DNF on KSK@FrostInstantNote.test.html
[18:36] <nextgens> works for me
[18:36] <toad_> I *did* fix the bug with the newsite form on Indicia not loading
[18:37] <toad_> was that the bug with FINs?
[18:37] <nextgens> when did you fix it ?
[18:37] <toad_> just now
[18:37] <toad_> 10856
[18:37] <toad_> 10857 in fact
[18:38] <nextgens> ah ok
[18:38] * nextgens is on 1851
[18:38] <nextgens> 10951
[18:38] <nextgens> I'll update and retry
[18:39] <nextgens> is it me or is FreenetLogBot slower ?
[18:40] <toad_> brb
[18:41] <nextgens> FreenetLogBot> c'mon
[18:45] <nextgens> toad_> I confirm that the FIN upload is broken with latest trunk
[18:46] <nextgens> toad_> when you click submit you get redirected to the welcome toadlet, as if formpassword was wrong
[18:47] <nextgens> in fact it's probably a content-filter problem
[18:47] <nextgens> the KSK I gave you got filtered as well
[18:47] <nextgens> and displays a warning
[18:51] <nextgens> YetAnotherWeirdThing
[18:52] <nextgens> using GET: on the console doesn't work
[18:52] <nextgens> on the KSK
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[18:52] <nextgens> I can get KSK@FrostInstantNote.test.html from fproxy
[18:52] <nextgens> but not from the console
[18:52] <nextgens> hi tubbie
[18:52] <tubbie> hi
[18:52] <nextgens> tubbie> toad wants to talk to you
[18:52] <tubbie> ah, ok.
[18:53] <toad_> tubbie: hi
[18:53] <nextgens> TMCI> GET:KSK@FrostInstantNote.test.html
[18:53] <nextgens> Completed 50% 1/2 (failed 0, fatally 0, total 2) (finalized total)
[18:53] <toad_> tubbie: you did the datastore some time ago, yes?
[18:53] <nextgens> it never gets the second block
[18:53] <tubbie> toad: yes
[18:54] <toad_> tubbie: do i have your permission to distribute your mods under the GPL version 2 or later ?
[18:54] <toad_> tubbie: i need it in an email
[18:54] <toad_> tubbie: there was some uncertainty as to whether freenet is GPL2 only or GPL2+
[18:54] <toad_> so I'm trying to get everyone's permission to put headers in saying GPL2+
[18:54] <tubbie> toad: ok, what exactly should i state
[18:55] <toad_> i'll send you the standard email, that would be easies
[18:55] <toad_> t
[18:55] <tubbie> ok
[18:55] <toad_> can you privmsg me your email addr?
[18:55] <nextgens> toad_> create an alias for tubbie on emu
[18:55] <toad_> nextgens: we did
[18:55] <toad_> nextgens: then his email address changed, or something
[18:56] <tubbie> it didn't change
[18:56] <toad_> hmmm
[18:56] <toad_> then i sent you an email and you never read it :)
[18:56] <toad_> i'll send you another one :)
[18:57] <nextgens> hmm
[18:57] <nextgens> the console still hasn't given me any reply
[18:57] <nextgens> that's worrying
[18:58] <nextgens> DOH
[18:58] <nextgens> jvm 1 | Data may contain escape codes which could cause the terminal to run arbitrary commands! Save it to a file if you must with GETFILE:
[18:58] <nextgens> would be better if it was displayed on the socket insteed!
[18:58] <toad_> nextgens: yes indeed!
[18:58] <toad_> i ran into that, but forgot to fix it
[18:58] <toad_> tubbie: message sent, please reply asap
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[18:59] <nextgens> hmm
[18:59] <nextgens> we do send it to the socket
[19:00] <toad_> doesn't look that way from its behaviour
[19:00] <nextgens> found the bug
[19:00] <nextgens> *fixing*
[19:01] <toad_> okay, there IS a FIN bug too...
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[19:04] <toad_> hmmm
[19:04] <CIA-14> nextgens * r10859 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/TextModeClientInterface.java: TMCI: fix a stupid bug
[19:05] <toad_> do we a) hack the formPassword in in the content filter?, b) not require the formPassword for FINs? c) just check the referrer?
[19:05] <toad_> d) present a confirmation page?
[19:05] <nextgens> d)
[19:05] <nextgens> c is not doable properly
[19:06] <nextgens> as with some JS it's possible to spoof the referer
[19:06] <toad_> it is?
[19:06] <nextgens> yes, with frames
[19:06] <toad_> i thought you weren't allowed to do stuff like that any more?
[19:06] <toad_> i.e. access other domains?
[19:08] <toad_> would a) be better than d) ?
[19:10] <toad_> hmmm
[19:10] <toad_> d) it is then...
[19:17] <CIA-14> toad * r10860 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/WelcomeToadlet.java: trivial refactoring in FIN handler
[19:18] <CIA-14> toad * r10861 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/WelcomeToadlet.java: Indent/etc
[19:19] <CIA-14> toad * r10862 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/WelcomeToadlet.java: More tidying up
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[19:20] <nextgens_> :@
[19:20] <nextgens_> ipv6 servers are really unstable on freenode :<
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[19:23] <CIA-14> toad * r10863 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/WelcomeToadlet.java: Preparation for per-case handling for no password
[19:24] <CIA-14> toad * r10864 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/WelcomeToadlet.java: Indent
[19:24] <nextgens> toad_> yes, the main point beeing we don't want to make frost spamable with a simple wget loop, do we ?
[19:26] <nextgens> brb
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