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[0:04] <Nutsy> :/
[0:04] <Nutsy> anyway whats opennet?
[0:04] <Nutsy> my m8 mentioned that as well
[0:04] <Nutsy> is it some sort of low configuration freenet?
[0:06] <TheSeeker> opennet is a generic term for a network that automatically adds connections in an untrusted manner.
[0:08] <Caco_Patane> Zothar, Bombe: it worked out
[0:09] <Caco_Patane> now both IE and Firefox can display the single-quote
[0:09] <TheSeeker> not that anyone should be using freenet with IE...
[0:09] <Caco_Patane> i know
[0:09] <Caco_Patane> but it also complains with the XHTML standar
[0:10] <Caco_Patane> ' is not part of XHTML
[0:10] <Caco_Patane> sorry, HTML :P
[0:10] <Caco_Patane> does anyone have used Opera?
[0:14] <Nutsy> caco?
[0:14] <Nutsy> i cant pm you back
[0:15] <Nutsy> im not regged on this network... You on quakenet at all?
[0:15] <Nutsy> or want to try dcc chatting me?
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[0:17] <Caco_Patane> Nutsy, are you in freenet-refs?
[0:17] <Nutsy> ?
[0:18] <Nutsy> no idea what that is
[0:29] <toad_> Nutsy: did you get it working?
[0:29] <Nutsy> no
[0:30] <toad_> Nutsy: ok
[0:30] <toad_> Nutsy: you have added your friend's noderef, and it shows up as "never connected"
[0:31] <toad_> you're reasonably sure that his node is up and his router is up and he hasn't changed IP address?
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[0:31] <toad_> and the homepage suggests you may be behind an evil NAT
[0:31] <Nutsy> yeah
[0:31] <Nutsy> yeah
[0:32] <toad_> you're also sure that the ip that was in the ref you gave to him, and vice versa, was the public ip (not 10.x.y.z, 192.168.x.y, 172.something)
[0:32] <toad_> (also not 127.x.y.z)
[0:32] <toad_> and your node correctly detects your real ip
[0:32] <Nutsy> yeah
[0:32] <Nutsy> yeah
[0:32] <toad_> ok
[0:32] <toad_> send me your ref, i'll add you to my node. if that doesn't work we can debug.
[0:33] <toad_> oh do you have any network monitoring software, so you can see if packets are being exchanged between your node and his?
[0:33] <Nutsy> toad can you dcc chat me im not regged on this network and i cant dcc out
[0:33] <Nutsy> sorry no i dont
[0:33] <Nutsy> i really should though got no idea what one to use
[0:33] <Nutsy> well that dosnt work :/
[0:33] <toad_> you register by /msg nickserv register <password>
[0:34] <toad_> but the firewall you're behind almost certainly blocks DCC
[0:34] <toad_> at least if you initiate it
[0:34] <toad_> err if i
[0:34] <Nutsy> well i set the ports for it
[0:34] <Nutsy> :p
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[0:37] <toad_> Nutsy: you need to identify
[0:37] <toad_> Nutsy: /msg nickserv identify <my password>
[0:37] <toad_> Nutsy: then paste your ref a few lines at a time in privmsg
[0:38] <MineHaunter> all this no-pm-from-unregistered-users is annoying
[0:38] <MineHaunter> I disabled it with /ns set unfiltered on
[0:38] <toad_> MineHaunter: spam is even more annoying
[0:39] <toad_> MineHaunter: you mean /msg nickserv set unfiltered on ?
[0:39] <MineHaunter> yep
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[0:40] <MineHaunter> anyway, since there is no email confirmation, registering a nick is a matter of milliseconds, so... :)
[0:40] <MineHaunter> oh..
[0:40] <MineHaunter> almost forgot
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[0:40] <fridim> hi
[0:40] <MineHaunter> i filed a bug about a problem with MaxSize in fcp
[0:41] <MineHaunter> I'm not sure if it is clear what I wrote
[0:41] <MineHaunter> so if you need some clarification I'm here :)
[0:41] <fridim> is a key calculated with checksum during an insert ? Because I've lost all my 90% inserts, and don't know if I have the courage to reinsert from the beggining
[0:41] <toad_> MineHaunter: the max size applies to metadata too
[0:42] <toad_> MineHaunter: and containers
[0:42] <fridim> I mean, will freenet resume the insert ?
[0:42] <toad_> MineHaunter: at least, it does for maxtempsize (is that separate?)
[0:42] <toad_> fridim: your node crashed?
[0:42] <toad_> fridim: freenet will auto-resume
[0:42] <fridim> toad_, no, thaw...
[0:42] <MineHaunter> toad_: maxtempsize is another fcp parameter, but it is optional
[0:43] <fridim> Not really a bug, but a misconception
[0:43] <toad_> fridim: it's fine
[0:43] <fridim> (delete file from an index while the file is being inserted cause the canceling of the insert.)
[0:43] <MineHaunter> toad_: anyway I posted here http://pastebin.ca/raw/243798 the fcp dump if you can take a look at it
[0:43] <MineHaunter> toad_: that behaviour looks odd :)
[0:44] <fridim> toad_, ok thanks :)
[0:45] <toad_> MineHaunter: is that info included on the bug report?
[0:46] <MineHaunter> toad_: yeah I included a link to that dump in the bugreport
[0:47] <CIA-14> caco_patane * r10839 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/support/HTMLEncoder.java: Changed single-quote assigment in the charTable of the HTML encoder to work with non-XHTML compilant brosers.
[0:47] <MineHaunter> toad_: this bug is nasty because if you retrieve the key successfully then it won't happen again
[0:49] <fridim> toad_, I've noticed that after 2 days or 3 of uptime, the node is very greedy : huge need of CPU (99%) and memory. I've noticed that one two distinct computers.
[0:50] <fridim> after a ./run.sh restart; everything seems ok.
[0:51] <toad_> MineHaunter: when will the pastebin file expire?
[0:51] <toad_> MineHaunter: it might be necessary to include that file in the bug report directly rather than linking to it
[0:53] <fridim> toad_, visible there : http://fridim.org/~gcore/mrtg/
[0:56] <toad_> fridim: get a stack dump when the cpu is high
[0:57] <fridim> Ok, I check on the wiki.
[0:58] <toad_> fridim: kill -QUIT <freenet pid>
[0:58] <toad_> fridim: produces a stack dump in wrapper.log
[0:58] <fridim> what thread dump is ?
[1:01] <fridim> toad_, ah, to debug ?
[1:01] <fridim> I'll send you the wrapper.log ?
[1:04] <toad_> yes please
[1:04] <toad_> is it possible that it's just GCing all the time though?
[1:04] <toad_> try with -Xloggc:log.gc
[1:05] <MineHaunter> toad_: it is set not to expire
[1:06] <MineHaunter> toad_: I'll paste that dump into additional information field, is that ok?
[1:06] <toad_> MineHaunter: probably a good idea
[1:07] <MineHaunter> toad_: can't do that... i'll paste it as a comment
[1:07] <fridim> toad_, -Xloggc:log.gc where ? in the run.sh ?
[1:07] <toad_> MineHaunter: yes
[1:07] <toad_> fridim: you can add an extra argument... java.vm.arguments.1 or something
[1:08] <fridim> oh, ok
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[1:10] <fridim> java.vm.arguments.1=-Xloggc:gc.log
[1:11] <fridim> but, none gc.log :/
[1:11] <fridim> It must be something else.
[1:11] <toad_> yeah
[1:11] <toad_> google for java service wrapper
[1:12] <toad_> http://wrapper.tanukisoftware.org/doc/english/prop-java-additional-n.html
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[1:16] <fridim> toad_, I don't find.
[1:17] <toad_> wrapper.java.additional.1=<argument>
[1:17] <toad_> etc
[1:17] <toad_> in wrapper.conf
[1:17] <fridim> i've tried : wrapper.java.additional.1=-Xloggc:gc.log node.java.additional.1=-Xloggc:gc.log logger.java.additional.1=-Xloggc:gc.log
[1:17] <fridim> arf, in wrapper.conf.. I was puting it in freenet.ini
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[1:19] <fridim> Ok, I will give you more informations when i'll see the out of range CPU and memory again
[1:22] <toad_> fridim: :)
[1:24] <Zothar> fridim: you already tried the latest development build as a couple of revs back lowered my machine's CPU usage dramaticly
[1:24] <fridim> I don't understand this sentence.
[1:26] <Zothar> fridim: what's in your Version Information box on the FProxy front page? Mine is Freenet 0.7 Build #993 r10838 and that works much better CPU-wise
[1:27] <fridim> Freenet 0.7 Build #993 r10790
[1:27] <fridim> I use the update.sh script.
[1:27] * Zothar is looking up the incantation to update
[1:28] <fridim> "Your node is up to date" <- seemed good to me :)
[1:28] <fridim> Maybe I will reconsider this.
[1:30] <Zothar> fridim: it is, but with the stable build; the fix is still unreleased, so it'd be a development/unstable build to try; I'm not remembering where the latest version of update.sh is stored
[1:31] <Zothar> ah, thanks Google: pass "testing" an argument to update.sh
[1:31] <Zothar> s/an/as an/
[1:31] <fridim> ok, but isn't it supposed to be UNSTABLE ?
[1:32] <fridim> I mean, what if I've bigger problems than the actual ? :)
[1:32] <Zothar> yeah; if you're not comfortable with unstable/development/testing, then just wait and get back with us if you still have trouble when 994 comes out
[1:32] <Zothar> The devs generally run the "testing" build on their nodes; I'm running it on both of my without issue
[1:33] <MineHaunter> Actually UNSTABLE isn't so unstable, it may have a few more bugs but latest dev build runs fine here
[1:33] <Zothar> man I'm typing badly tonight: both of mine without issue
[1:33] <Zothar> well, I'm out; have a good night/day/evening all
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[1:34] <fridim> ./run.sh start testing ?
[1:35] <MineHaunter> ./update.sh testing
[1:35] <MineHaunter> i guess
[1:35] <fridim> already done.
[1:36] <MineHaunter> then just start the node, if you already updated it will run whatever version you updated to :)
[1:38] <fridim> done :-)
[1:45] <toad_> <MineHaunter> Actually UNSTABLE isn't so unstable, it may have a few more bugs but latest dev build runs fine here
[1:45] <toad_> right, but that could change
[1:46] <toad_> it could have horrific bugs
[1:46] <toad_> whereas the main released version has well known bugs :)
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[1:48] <MineHaunter> toad_: right, but I like risk :P
[1:48] <toad_> that's good, we need lab rats^W^Wtesters like you!
[1:49] <MineHaunter> :P
[2:09] <MineHaunter> now, this looks like an infinite recursion or something
[2:09] <MineHaunter> http://pastebin.ca/raw/243950
[2:09] <MineHaunter> on r10832
[2:10] <toad_> indeed it does
[2:10] <toad_> will have a look tomorrow
[2:10] <MineHaunter> k
[2:11] <toad_> ok, i should go to bed
[2:11] <toad_> good night
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[2:38] <fridim> MineHaunter, do you think I can switch from testing to stable (if I've a problem) ?
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[2:53] <MineHaunter> fridim: afaik you can switch back to latest stable release without problems, unless they changed something important in datastore management or other vital parts
[2:53] <MineHaunter> fridim: probabily you'll have to do it by hand as the updater won't revert back to an older release
[2:54] <fridim> I will wait for the new stable release with this CPU issue fix
[2:56] <MineHaunter> yes, you should wait for stable, unless you want to do some testing :)
[2:58] <fridim> Sine i've tasted the testing I can't come back to stable !
[2:58] <fridim> :)
[2:58] <fridim> *Since
[2:59] <farrier> "The Freenet 0.7 darknet-8888 service could not be started." - any idea where I should start debugging that?
[2:59] <MineHaunter> wrapper.log
[3:03] <farrier> Thanks. Hrm, the contents (http://pastebin.com/820191) don't mean much to me, and seems to be contradicting itself. Is there a page to help with interpreting those errors?
[3:05] <getch> no
[3:06] <getch> srry miss tell
[3:07] <getch> why would freenet be aborting my downloads?
[3:07] <getch> on fuquid
[3:08] <getch> fuqid**
[3:10] <getch> it's aborting all my blocks on fuqid
[3:18] <farrier> Freenet's aborting your downloads? You kids today, you don't know how easy you got it. I only wish it could abort my downloads! I can't even get the darn service to bind to a port.
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[3:19] <dean0> anyone here?
[3:19] <farrier> Nope.
[3:19] <farrier> They pushed them all out to #freenet-chat for being OC.
[3:20] <farrier> So now there's just us non-people.
[3:20] <dean0> OC? (I'm new to IRC and freenet, I'
[3:20] <dean0> 'm afraid I'm a bit ignorant...
[3:20] <farrier> s'OK. It was just a joke, and I meant OT (off topic) :)
[3:21] <dean0> gotcha. ;)
[3:21] <dean0> I'm just checking out freenet, and trying to complete the next step: getting a peer.
[3:22] <farrier> try #freenet-refs - that's the place to share references, apparently.
[3:22] <dean0> That's what I thought, but no-one has responded to my "anyone here?" question. (Despite it looking like there are people in the channel...)
[3:23] <farrier> Well, people go in there on a fairly regular basis from what I've seen, and ask for peers - just wait for one to come in :) I'll be going there myself if I can ever get the darn service started :)
[3:23] <dean0> Laugh. I hear ya.
[3:27] <farrier> Anyone know the meaning of "unable to bind listener to any port in the range 32000-32999. (An invalid argument was supplied. (0x2726))"? That's from wrapper.log, full file at http://pastebin.com/82019 but that's the important line, I think.
[3:29] <farrier> Where's it getting arguments from, for them to be incorrect?
[3:30] <farrier> I can't see anything obviously port-related in wrapper.conf
[3:30] <MineHaunter> farrier: not sure about that error
[3:31] <MineHaunter> farrier: is your localhost interface working properly?
[3:31] <farrier> Yeah, I googled for the error message but only found the logs for this channel, with other people having the problem but no resolutions. :)
[3:32] <farrier> Yup, localhost is 127.0.0.1 and pingable.
[3:32] <farrier> Other local proxies can bind to ports, other p2p programs can run.
[3:33] <MineHaunter> are you running antivirus/firewall software which may block applications?
[3:33] <farrier> Nope: have jetico firewall isntalled, but turned it off and shut it down before installing the software, haven't turned it back on.
[3:35] <MineHaunter> I have no idea, sorry
[3:35] <MineHaunter> guess you have to wait for some dev to show up :)
[3:36] <farrier> OH! Hrm - what's weird is that turning *on* the firewall just made it work.
[3:36] <farrier> OK, I'll put it down to me doing something stupid with the firewall, whatever I did.
[3:38] <OctobersDark> MineHaunter, the healer
[3:40] <getch> so does anyone know what could be the reason for freenet aborting my download blocks on fuqid?
[3:40] <OctobersDark> try using Thaw
[3:40] <OctobersDark> or it could be the blocks have fallen off?
[3:41] <getch> for thaw i have to enter #before the file right?
[3:42] <getch> i've tried it but it don't seem to work either
[3:42] <OctobersDark> huh? i just paste the key into the download box in Thaw
[3:42] <getch> it aborts it if i do that
[3:42] <getch> i have to enter # for it even to try
[3:43] <OctobersDark> how about letting fproxy client get them? hao does that work for you?
[3:43] <OctobersDark> er. how
[3:44] <getch> i'll try brb
[3:45] <getch> it says invalid url
[3:45] <dean0> Anyone know what this means, or how (or if) I can/should fix it? "Your internet connection appears to be behind a port-restricted NAT (router). You will be able to connect to most other users, but not those behind symmetric NATs."
[3:46] <OctobersDark> there ya go then i should think, perhaps it is a bad key?
[3:46] <OctobersDark> dean0: means some of the connctions won't work for you, but it has been my experience that 'most' will
[3:47] <dean0> OctobersDark: thanks!
[3:47] <getch> does anyone have a little crappy key i can check to see if it works?
[3:50] <OctobersDark> can you reach the liks on the home page of fproxy getch ?
[3:50] <getch> yes
[3:50] <OctobersDark> links
[3:50] <getch> yup
[3:50] <OctobersDark> ok, those use keys as well
[3:51] <getch> ok right on
[3:51] <OctobersDark> gotts run now, good luck
[3:52] <getch> thanks
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[6:26] <farrier-afk> Question: the FAQ suggests that there is a difference between permanent and transient nodes. How do I set myself to permanent?
[6:27] <fridim> By being connected 24/7
[6:28] <fridim> I guess
[6:29] <farrier-afk> So there's no config change I need to make? The faq suggests that there is a functional difference, and that you can switch between them.
[6:30] <farrier-afk> "Since all requests coming from a transient node originate on that node, the node you're connecting to is guaranteed that the request came from you. A permanent node forwards requests for other nodes too, so the node you connect to can never be sure if it was actually you requesting or inserting the data in question."
[6:30] <farrier-afk> "And once you see how much better it is to run a permanent node, you will likely not want to switch back to transient."
[6:31] <farrier-afk> Those two quotes together suggest that the default state is transient, that the state can be switched, and that running a permanent node is better for everyone.
[6:46] <farrier-afk> However, I can find no other references to any of that either in the mai archives, the wiki, or google.
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[8:19] <bxkas> how does the freenet upload mechanism work?
[8:22] <nextgens> farrier-afk> the FAQ states that running a permanent node is better, yes
[8:22] <nextgens> bxkas> what upload mechanism ?
[8:22] <nextgens> bxkas> you are wondering how to insert content/freesites onto freenet ?
[8:24] <bxkas> no, the technical explanation
[8:25] <nextgens> there is a special "message" for insertion requests
[8:25] <nextgens> you target a location somewhere on the network
[8:25] <nextgens> based on the hash of what you are inserting
[8:26] <nextgens> it gets routed through the network to the location
[8:26] <nextgens> there the node wich is the closest to what you've targeted outght to reply
[8:26] <nextgens> saying that the block has been stored "somewhere"
[8:27] <nextgens> each block is 32kB big compressed
[8:27] <nextgens> encrypted with the manifest's key
[8:27] <nextgens> that's how it works roughly
[8:28] <bxkas> do you actually choose the node, or do you insert the block to the nearest-to-the-hash neighbor, and they pass it on until a node replies with "stored"?
[8:28] <nextgens> you don't choose the node
[8:28] <nextgens> they pass it until the HTL runs out
[8:28] <bxkas> so you just pass it along to the nearest neighbor, and they pass it along, until someone stores it?
[8:28] <bxkas> ok
[8:29] <nextgens> but usually it doesn't happen
[8:29] <bxkas> what doesn't happen?
[8:29] <nextgens> the htl running out
[8:29] <bxkas> it just get stored?
[8:29] <nextgens> usually a close enough node is found on the path and it get stored
[8:29] <nextgens> yes
[8:29] <bxkas> what's to prevent someone from uploading massive amounts of random junk to freenet?
[8:29] <nextgens> +s
[8:30] <nextgens> as noone would be requesting it it would fall of the network
[8:30] <nextgens> btw, insertion is a bit costier than requests
[8:30] <bxkas> ok, but in the meantime I can run a node that uploads massive quantities of random junk and wastes bandwidth?
[8:30] <nextgens> sure you can
[8:31] <nextgens> for anyone who doesn't have the decryption key, it's random junk anyway ;)
[8:32] <bxkas> well, yes, but the point is I can slow the network down substantially using several nodes, without actually contributing anything to the network
[8:32] <Ash-Fox> bxkas, we'll just push data to those nodes
[8:32] <Ash-Fox> Make them useful
[8:33] <bxkas> ok, so you push a bit of data into the node. I'm still using up the upload bandwidth of 10 (or howevermany) other nodes
[8:34] <bxkas> you gain 1, but you lose 10
[8:34] <bxkas> there's nothing to prevent this?
[8:37] <Ash-Fox> No
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[8:39] <nextgens> bxkas> it can't be a censorship resistent medium if everyone is able to choose and judge the content going through
[8:40] <Ash-Fox> Also, how do you determine some data is junk? :P
[8:40] <nextgens> that's the point
[8:40] <nextgens> bxkas> keep in mind that each node/hop will verify the hash of the datat
[8:41] <nextgens> -t
[8:41] <nextgens> it can't be "random junk"
[8:41] <nextgens> it has to be valid junk
[8:41] <nextgens> and valid junk wouldn't target some precise location on the keyspace
[8:41] <nextgens> so it's not a viable attack
[8:41] <bxkas> useless information with a good hash is still junk
[8:42] <nextgens> as long as you don't own most of the nodes, the traffic would get diluted into the mass
[8:42] <nextgens> not really
[8:42] <nextgens> as it won't stay on the network
[8:42] <bxkas> so? it'll still waste that initial bandwidth
[8:43] <nextgens> well, you can flood anyone with random junk anyway; what's the point ?
[8:43] <nextgens> there won't be any amplification
[8:43] <bxkas> if it takes 1 GB of transfer to cause 10GB of harm, well... that's worth it to someone who wants to make the network unusable
[8:43] <Ash-Fox> I think he's irked by the fact you're wasting bandwith on more than one node.
[8:44] <nextgens> indeed you are, but only the same amount ;)
[8:44] <bxkas> well, the same amount 10 times
[8:44] <nextgens> bxkas> have you ever thought about sending broadcast data ?
[8:44] <Ash-Fox> bxkas, I think it takes quite a bit of time to insert 10GB of data :P
[8:44] <bxkas> 1 GB of data
[8:44] <nextgens> if you send 1G over a broadcast address, everyone would get it the same way
[8:44] <Ash-Fox> 1gb too :P
[8:44] <bxkas> and it would waste 10 GB of data
[8:45] <bxkas> it'd take perhaps a day, no?
[8:45] <nextgens> bxkas> inserting 1G of data would take almost two weeks
[8:45] <bxkas> that's if you're careful about the insertion
[8:45] <nextgens> nope
[8:45] <bxkas> if you're just spamming nodes, why would it matter?
[8:45] <nextgens> a spamming node wouldn't be able to perform
[8:45] <nextgens> as you would have a limitated number of peers
[8:46] * Ash-Fox used to make the services address on his irc network resolve to 224.0.0.1. Great way to get net admins to see if their network has been compromised by some botnet bot that's trying to attack something
[8:46] <nextgens> with limitated ressources, contrary to yours
[8:46] <bxkas> ok, so I get a node with 2x the upload of the average node
[8:46] <Ash-Fox> 224.0.0.1 - global broadcast address.
[8:46] <bxkas> 1/2 dedicated to spamming, 1/2 to normal operation
[8:46] <nextgens> Ash-Fox> it's it the base multicast address insteed ?:)
[8:47] <bxkas> I'm not familiar with broadcast addresses
[8:47] * nextgens has to go
[8:47] <bxkas> have a good night
[8:47] <Ash-Fox> nextgens, see'ya =)
[8:47] <nextgens> well, it's not night actually; but exams :<
[8:47] <nextgens> it's 10 O clock here
[8:48] <Ash-Fox> almost 10am here.
[8:48] <bxkas> well, good exams then
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[9:24] <hobx_> I need to make more friends
[9:26] <hobx_> will anybody be friends with me? I'm generally a nice guy, although known to be somewhat grumpy at times.
[9:26] <hobx_> And I make a killer Paella!
[9:28] <hobx_> I like drinking, and... ummm... drinking, and drinking also.
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[10:57] <TheSeeker> hobx: you lost me at 'lots of drimking' :p
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[13:43] <Olli> hi
[14:29] <Caco_Patane> Hola Olli
[14:30] <nextgens> hi
[14:30] <nextgens> Caco_Patane> I'm not sure your patch goes towards the right direction
[14:31] <nextgens> Caco_Patane> we don't mind^wcare about ie
[14:31] <Caco_Patane> and what about all the XHTML non compilant brosers?
[14:31] * nextgens thinks that's not our problem
[14:32] <nextgens> we output valid xhtml, it's up to them to understand it
[14:32] <nextgens> even links does iirc
[14:32] <Caco_Patane> i know that IE have to fix their own bugs
[14:32] <Caco_Patane> but this is not an IE bug
[14:34] <nextgens> that's more a matter of policy, agreed
[14:34] <nextgens> but as we aim to output xhtml, it does make sense
[14:34] <Caco_Patane> we are currently outputing (?) xhtml?
[14:35] <nextgens> yes, in most cases
[14:35] <Caco_Patane> xhtml strict?
[14:35] <nextgens> almost yes
[14:37] <nextgens> bbiab
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[14:45] <Caco_Patane> the the pages are not XHTML
[14:45] <Caco_Patane> not even the header specifies that
[14:45] <Caco_Patane> should we change that and adapt the existing HTML to be XHTML Strict compilant?
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[14:51] <Zothar_Work> Caco_Patane: I think we should specify which DTD we're using specifically and use either transitional or strict, probably leaning to strict since we probably at a good place to make sure we comply with strict.
[14:51] <Zothar_Work> brb
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[16:27] <Caco_Patane> I can help with that is if decided
[16:27] <Caco_Patane> (trying to see in what i can help)
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[17:21] <farrier-afk> Question: say I'm sending a file to agents in a hostile country, which packetsnoops its citizens and firewalls them from "known bad" IPs (like Saudi Arabia, China, etc). I've thousands of agents in my own country (where anonymity is not a requirement), all happy to host and distribute the file.
[17:21] <farrier-afk> I want the file to be easily available to any agent in the foreign country who requests it and exchanges a key with any of my members, even though this will be a very rare occurance.
[17:21] * farrier-afk is now known as farrier
[17:22] <farrier> So my question is: does freenet have a mechanism to guarantee that you are hosting a file (even at the expense of anonymity)?
[17:23] <greycat> keep reinserting it.
[17:23] <farrier> Have every member keep reinserting it?
[17:24] <greycat> no, just you.
[17:24] <farrier> I could do that, yes. Woudl the key always be the same?
[17:24] <greycat> yes
[17:24] <farrier> No, I would want every member to host it: not just me.
[17:24] <greycat> You can't control what's on other people's nodes.
[17:24] <farrier> I couldn't guarantee that every member in my country had a copy, if only I inserted it, could I?
[17:24] <greycat> No.
[17:25] <farrier> I want to be able to control what's on the nodes of all members in my country. If they inserted it from their nodes, woudl the key be different?
[17:27] <nextgens> no
[17:28] <farrier> So, I can provide each of them with the freenet installer, the file, and a script that could periodically reinsert it from their nodes. That would guarantee constant distribution across our side of the organisation.
[17:29] <nextgens> neither
[17:29] <farrier> That way, no matter how fragmented our national network becomes, our international agents can always get the file so long as they can find one active node.
[17:29] <farrier> Neither?
[17:29] <nextgens> you need someone to keep inserting the content "somewhere" on the network for it not to fall off
[17:29] <nextgens> assuming your content isn't popular
[17:30] <nextgens> if it's popular, downloading it would be enough
[17:30] <farrier> I want every agent in this country to have a file on their machine at all times. It will be a very unpopular file, but when it is needed, it will be very urgently needed.
[17:30] <nextgens> as long as you're connected to at lest one "honnest" node from the network, you ought to be able to retrieve any content from the network
[17:31] <nextgens> s/lest/least/
[17:31] <farrier> "honest" node?
[17:31] <nextgens> not a goverment powered node, nor any hacked code
[17:36] <farrier> All nodes from our country are guaranteed honest... well, with sufficient surety that the file will be trusted whichever one it comes through.
[17:36] <farrier> However, the national network may become fragmented, which is why every agent in this country must host the file. The agent in the field may have only one working node-ref, and that node may not be connected to any others. So that node must be hosting all parts of the file.
[17:39] <farrier> Would having each agent reinsert the file daily be sufficient, or are inserted files specifically *not* hosted on the submitting machine? (which would make sense from an anonymity point of view).
[17:49] <farrier> Thinking about it, if we use freenet, we'd have to modify it for the local agents anyway.
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[17:53] <farrier> Remove the GUI, just leave the daemon. Then make it never delete locally-submitted files, make auto-sharing of refs and keys through a central machine (in a way designed to build "small world" net), and each hour, have it autodownload then autosubmit any new file requested by the central server.
[17:55] <farrier> Hrm, maybe leave the GUI, let them add their own refs and files.
[17:57] <farrier> Need something to autorepair the network, too.
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[18:09] <fridim> I can't delete a node with lynx :/
[18:09] <fridim> How can I do ?
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[18:14] <fridim> the node deleting of Fproxy doesn't work with lynx. It should be fix.
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[18:27] <TheSeeker> what?
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[18:33] <CIA-14> toad * r10840 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/ (9 files in 4 dirs): Fix some warnings (patch from UniquePerson).
[18:35] <CIA-14> toad * r10841 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/RequestHandler.java: Bugfix (final transfer always failed) from UniquePerson.
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[18:55] <CIA-14> toad * r10842 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/support/HTMLEncoder.java: Partially apply patch from UniquePerson.
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[19:06] <CIA-14> toad * r10843 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/support/HTMLEncoder.java: Apply UniquePerson's patch to HTMLEncoder. Should be a significant speedup to filtering HTML.
[19:09] <CIA-14> toad * r10844 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/support/HTMLEncoder.java: Minor optimisations to creation phase.
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[19:20] <NullAcht15_> That's funny, I'm seeing to nodes in my peer list with the exact same location. Shouldn't this be nearly impossible?
[19:23] <CIA-14> toad * r10845 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/support/HTMLEncoder.java: Fix bug.
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[19:27] <dany> salce a tutti
[19:27] <dany> salve a tutti
[19:27] <dany> c'?? qualche italiano?
[19:29] <Zothar_Work> The channel's been pretty quiet for awhile, so probably nobody that knows Italian. Perhaps in #freenet-refs?
[19:29] <Zothar_Work> (at least know body that's at their keyboard)
[19:31] <dany> exist a channel italian for freenet 0.7?
[19:33] <Zothar_Work> Maybe #freenet-it, but I don't think I've seen it mentioned much, if any; #freenet-fr is mentioned every now and then
[19:34] <CIA-14> toad * r10846 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/support/HTMLEncoder.java: Handle the null character correctly.
[19:37] <dany> thanks :-)
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[19:57] <CIA-14> toad * r10847 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/ (17 files in 10 dirs): Lots of trivial optimisations from UniquePerson.
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[20:08] <nextgens> NullAcht15_> it's rounded on fproxy, hence you see them identical
[20:09] <nextgens> NullAcht15_> or it's a synchronization problem
[20:09] <nextgens> NullAcht15_> in any case it's probably harmless
[20:15] <CIA-14> toad * r10848 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/ (node/Node.java support/SimpleFieldSet.java): Recover better from invalid stored N2NTMs.
[20:17] <nextgens> toad_> there is currently a bug with bookmarks, I suggest you have a look at it while doing fproxy stuffs
[20:17] <nextgens> toad_> it doesn't work anymore since recent "form encodings" changes
[20:19] <CIA-14> toad * r10849 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/TextModeClientInterface.java: Trivial.
[20:22] <toad_> nextgens: what doesn't work?
[20:22] <toad_> nextgens: adding, removing bookmarks?
[20:23] <nextgens> toad_> adding doesn't work for me at least
[20:23] <toad_> adding from a hyperlink?
[20:23] <toad_> on a site?
[20:23] <toad_> or adding from the edit page?
[20:23] <nextgens> no, from fproxy
[20:24] <nextgens> from the edit page
[20:24] <toad_> ok
[20:24] <toad_> will have a look
[20:24] <fridim> could someone try to delete a node from his darknet with lynx using the Fproxy ? It simply doesn't work here.
[20:24] <fridim> (i've no Xwindows)
[20:25] <nextgens> use the console then
[20:25] <nextgens> telnet localhost 2323
[20:26] <nextgens> btw, what svn revision are you using?
[20:26] <fridim> arf, ok
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[20:26] <fridim> last stable
[20:26] <fridim> no. last testing
[20:26] <nextgens> testing ought to be fixed
[20:26] <nextgens> maybe not stable though
[20:27] <fridim> telnet is fine.
[20:27] <fridim> thanks.
[20:27] <toad_> hmmm
[20:27] <toad_> well i'm reasonably sure it was working (admittedly with firefox)
[20:28] <toad_> is it reliable replicable?
[20:28] <fridim> I don't think so
[20:29] <fridim> But I guess If it doesn't work with lynx, it could not work with firefox
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[20:55] <toad_> fridim: i mean if you do it again does it work?
[20:58] * toad_ will find out
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[21:07] <toad_> fridim: works fine for me
[21:07] <toad_> fridim: with current testing
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[21:16] <CIA-14> toad * r10850 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/WelcomeToadlet.java: formPassword was missing in edit/add bookmarks.
[21:17] <toad_> nextgens: fixed, hopefully
[21:19] <toad_> definitely fixed
[21:20] <toad_> it is surprising how long it takes to load HTML content which is definitely in the local cache
[21:20] <toad_> maybe the HTML filter is really slow... or maybe there's some other bug
[21:20] * nextgens thinks that doesn't matter that much
[21:20] <toad_> anyway that's something to look into later
[21:21] <nextgens> compared to the overall network latency ;)
[21:21] <nextgens> toad_> so what's the plan for the comming days ?
[21:21] <nextgens> are you going to spend some time on the DB ?
[21:21] <nextgens> binary blobs maybe ?
[21:23] <nextgens> something else ?
[21:24] <toad_> maybe...
[21:25] <toad_> is the DB a priority?
[21:25] * nextgens thinks it's better to do that than increasing the default memory setting
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[21:30] <toad_> hmmm
[21:30] <toad_> the reason for the browser delays is the same as the reason why you can't wget anything from fproxy
[21:30] <toad_> we send one too few bytes, i think...
[21:31] <nextgens> hmm, I can't manage to make a "bookmark my freesite" link
[21:31] <nextgens> fproxy the content filter mangles it
[21:32] <toad_> so how come several other freesites have managed it?
[21:32] <toad_> all the indexes, for example
[21:33] <nextgens> dunno :)
[21:33] * nextgens has a closer look to it
[21:34] <nextgens> duh, forgot a /
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[22:04] <toad_> [21:43] <-- tubbie has left this server. ()
[22:04] <toad_> so he IS still around
[22:04] <toad_> when he comes back i must talk to him
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[22:10] <nextgens> doh, toad's flog activelink isn't using the "standard" format :/
[22:10] <nextgens> toad_> tell memoserv about it :)
[22:11] <toad_> memoserv?
[22:11] <nextgens> an irc service
[22:18] <CIA-14> toad * r10851 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/ (4 files in 4 dirs):
[22:18] <CIA-14> Some optimisations.
[22:18] <CIA-14> Include proper Connection header; fixes wget not being able to fetch from fproxy.
[22:18] <CIA-14> Fix nio bug in BucketTools.copy.
[22:28] <toad_> hmmm
[22:28] <nextgens> toad_> I think you should have documented your buffer lengths
[22:28] <nextgens> is their size arbitrary ?
[22:28] <toad_> how do we distinguish between too many meta-strings because of a redirect, and too many meta-strings because too many were provided by the client?
[22:28] <toad_> fairly arbitrary yeah
[22:29] <toad_> 32k seemed a bit big so i shrunk it
[22:29] <nextgens> why isn't it the same everywhere then ? :)
[22:29] <toad_> good question
[22:29] <nextgens> seems confusing to me
[22:31] <toad_> hmmm
[22:31] <toad_> original user URI is KSK@x/y/z
[22:31] <toad_> we fetch KSK@x
[22:31] <toad_> this is a manifest, containing y
[22:31] <toad_> y redirects to KSK@a/b/c
[22:31] <toad_> so we then want KSK@a/b/c/z
[22:32] <toad_> but KSK@a is a file, not a manifest
[22:32] <toad_> so in this case, it's a problem with the inserted data
[22:33] <toad_> alternatively, if KSK@a is a manifest, KSK@a/b is a manifest and KSK@a/b/c is a file, it's the user's fault
[22:34] <toad_> so we keep a counter for the number of meta's added
[22:35] <toad_> and if it's >0, it's the original inserter's fault, else it's the user's fault (and removing an element may help)
[22:35] <nextgens> pass it as a parameter
[22:35] <nextgens> hmm, in fact even a parameter isn't convenient
[22:37] <toad_> a counter makes sense
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[22:43] <Ladycrow> Anyone know if you can search for board names on frost, that you want to add?
[22:44] <Ladycrow> so far it seems like you can only add board names thru announcements that you find?
[22:44] <NullAcht15_> toad_: could KSK@x/y in this context be thought of as a symlink? (just trying to understand stuff better here...)
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[22:45] <NullAcht15_> Ladycrow: no, if you know the name of the board and the correct spelling, you can add it manually
[22:45] <Ladycrow> how do you add boards manually?
[22:46] <NullAcht15_> click on the add board icon, enter the name
[22:46] <NullAcht15_> it's the leftmost icon on the toolbar
[22:47] <CIA-14> nextgens * r10852 /trunk/website/pages/download.php: website: add a link to the tarball
[22:47] <Ladycrow> "add a new board" is the same option as for adding a brand new board, too?
[22:47] <NullAcht15_> er, yes
[22:47] <MineHaunter> obviously, it's totally useless to add a new board if noone else knows of that board
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[22:48] <NullAcht15_> You may advertise it afterwards
[22:48] <NullAcht15_> (not here, on frost)
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[22:49] <Ladycrow> i dont want to add a new board
[22:49] <Ladycrow> i want to find already existing boards
[22:49] <MineHaunter> then you must wait for someone to post the names of the existing boards
[22:49] <Ladycrow> so if i keep typing board names in "add a new board", then chances are i will find some that actually exist already?
[22:49] <Ladycrow> or wrong?
[22:50] <MineHaunter> Ladycrow: in theory, yes, but if you think of it, there are millions of millions of possible board names
[22:50] <MineHaunter> good luck :P
[22:50] <Ladycrow> is there any other good anonymous file sharing utilities for freenet
[22:50] <Ladycrow> or is Frost the best or most popular?
[22:50] <NullAcht15_> Ladycrow: As I said, you need to know the correct board name and the correct spelling beforehand
[22:51] <MineHaunter> Ladycrow: you can search thaw indexes, but before that you must find a thaw index. Usually you find those on frost
[22:51] <NullAcht15_> Ladycrow: You might give Thaw a try, but it's in early alpha stage and not yet terribly useful
[22:51] <Ladycrow> are there more people on freenet 0.7 or freenet 0.5?
[22:52] <toad_> Thaw is very usable
[22:52] <toad_> i dunno about indexes though
[22:52] <Ladycrow> are there more people on freenet 0.7 or freenet 0.5?
[22:52] <toad_> frost has filesharing
[22:52] <toad_> bbiab
[22:52] <NullAcht15_> Also, it requires a somewhat different way of thinking than other filesharing tools
[22:53] <CIA-14> nextgens * r10853 /trunk/website/pages/download.php: website: fix some 404 links to get a better google ranking
[22:53] <NullAcht15_> Nobody knows. As a wild guess, I'd say that 0.5 is probably still larger than 0.7
[22:54] <Ladycrow> is it possible to have BOTH freenet 0.5 and 0.7 installed at the same time?
[22:54] <NullAcht15_> There is way more frost traffic on 0.7 than on 0.5, though
[22:54] <Ladycrow> hmms
[22:54] <Ladycrow> i mainly interested in frost
[22:54] <farrier-afk> I've seen people on 0.7 complaining that there's not nearly as much pr0n available as there was in 0.5, if that's anything to go by.
[22:55] <Ladycrow> im a newbie to freenet
[22:55] <Ladycrow> i installed 0.7
[22:55] <Ladycrow> if i install 0.5 now, can i have both installed at same time?
[22:55] <Ladycrow> or will that cause errors?
[22:55] <NullAcht15_> Ladycrow: Yes, but you'll need a lot of RAM (I'd suggest at least 1GB for 0.5 and 0.7 at the same time) and you need to use a few trick here and there
[22:55] <nextgens> you should have done it the other way around to get it to work out of the box
[22:56] <NullAcht15_> specially, you need to make sure that they don't both use the same listening ports
[22:56] <Ladycrow> and 0.5 you don't need to exchange references, right?
[22:56] <NullAcht15_> Ladycrow: no, but with the way 0.5 works, you'll likely have to wait even longer to be able to use it
[22:57] <CIA-14> nextgens * r10854 /trunk/website/pages/download.php: website: some link targeting improvements
[23:00] * sanity (n=ian@) Quit (Read error: 148 (No route to host))
[23:02] <Ladycrow> i just ran Thaw, and searched for mp3, and got zero search results
[23:02] <Ladycrow> so umm
[23:02] <Ladycrow> Frost is working fine, and finds search results fine
[23:02] <NullAcht15_> Ladycrow: you'll need to feed thaw a few indexes to get started
[23:03] <Ladycrow> how do you do that?
[23:03] <NullAcht15_> as i said, it requires a slightly different way of thinking
[23:03] <Ladycrow> i understand how frost works, you join boards, and then get access to any files on those boards
[23:03] <Ladycrow> is thaw similiar to frost?
[23:03] <NullAcht15_> Look on frost for the publically writable index by JFlesch and use taht as a starting point
[23:04] <NullAcht15_> no it isn't, you'll figure it out if you experiment a little with it, though
[23:04] <Ladycrow> get my message, nullacht, or is messages not working correctly on this irc network?
[23:05] <Ladycrow> and i tryed going to frost, and then doing a search for jflesch and i found zero search results
[23:05] <NullAcht15_> Basically, users can publish updatable indexes for file collections, and you can subscribe to them
[23:05] * sbc (n=sbc@) Quit ("Ex-Chat")
[23:06] <NullAcht15_> Ladycrow: Due to excessive msg spamming some months ago, this network has adopted a policy that a user needs to register their nick before they're allowed to write private msgs
[23:06] <MineHaunter> I went to frost and searched for a girlfriend but I found zero result, is this a bug?
[23:07] <Ladycrow> okay well im concerned with a potential security flaw in 0.7
[23:07] <Ladycrow> well what i see as a security flaw
[23:07] <Ladycrow> if im understanding it right, which i may not be
[23:07] <NullAcht15_> Ladycrow: well, out with it already
[23:07] <Ladycrow> didnt want to ask on a public channel about it, or describe it, in case riaa is listening
[23:08] <NullAcht15_> *rolleyes*, we're discussing potential security threats here every day...
[23:08] <Ladycrow> well
[23:08] <Ladycrow> riaa isnt necessarily that bright
[23:08] <Ladycrow> didnt want to help them too much
[23:09] <Ladycrow> my concern is this: http://dark-code.bulix.org
[23:09] <Ladycrow> im a newbie to 0.7
[23:09] <Ladycrow> so i did what everyone does and used dark-code.bulix.org
[23:09] <NullAcht15_> yes...
[23:09] <Ladycrow> so lets say riaa, or someone else, is hosting a server with illegal mp3s on it
[23:09] <Ladycrow> lets say riaa keeps a record of everyone who uses dark-code.bulix.org
[23:10] <Ladycrow> and lets say i then start a download of a file thru frost of something riaa has on its own server
[23:10] <Ladycrow> am i right in saying this software is then totally and completely NOT anonymous then?
[23:10] <NullAcht15_> no
[23:10] <Ladycrow> since with the above reference they got from dark-code.bulix, they can track anything yuo download from any server they personally own, right?
[23:10] <NullAcht15_> no, they can't
[23:11] <Ladycrow> since the reference has your code number on freenet or somesuch
[23:11] <Ladycrow> okay that was my big worry, i wanted to ask in private message
[23:11] <MineHaunter> please see: http://wiki.freenetproject.org/FreenetZeroPointSevenSecurity
[23:12] <Ladycrow> i thought the ref that i posted to dark-code.bulix, would give the link between my "code" or serial number on freenet and whatever my real isp is
[23:12] <Ladycrow> and then if anyone has a server hosting files they could then match it up
[23:12] <Ladycrow> and riaa runs their own servers
[23:12] <Ladycrow> so, that was my logic
[23:12] <NullAcht15_> well, your requests do not, for obvious reasons, include your node's identity (what you called code number), so it is very hard to impossible (at least in theory) to tell from which exact node a request originated
[23:12] <Ladycrow> doesnt it work like Mute (another p2p)
[23:13] <Ladycrow> and they use your code number to point a "direction"
[23:13] <Ladycrow> to send the file
[23:13] <Ladycrow> i may not be using the right term when i call it code number, can't think of what else to call it
[23:13] <Ladycrow> lol
[23:14] <NullAcht15_> The basic idea is that once you forward a request to one of your peers, your peer has no way of telling whether that request really came from or whether you were just forwarding it
[23:14] <Ladycrow> So the reference i posted to dark.code.bulix, in order to swap references in the channel freenet-refs, can't be used by someone running a server on freenet to track accesses to his own server?
[23:14] <Ladycrow> right
[23:14] <MineHaunter> Ladycrow: there are no servers in freenet
[23:14] <Ladycrow> okay i think i understnad what your saying nullacht15
[23:14] <MineHaunter> Ladycrow: freenet is a distributed datastore
[23:15] <Ladycrow> so why does frost say "offline" when one person goes offline
[23:15] <MineHaunter> that's the insert-on-demand feature of frost
[23:15] <NullAcht15_> the file, if it is found, is not sent back to you directly, but first to the node that the node which found the file got the request from, then gets forwarded to the node that that node got the request from and so on and so forth until it finally reaches your node again
[23:15] <Ladycrow> i mean in the "age" part of a file
[23:15] <MineHaunter> afaik it never worked as it should
[23:16] <NullAcht15_> Also, all the nodes in the chain will cache the file if they feel like it, so nobody can even tell how often a file was downloaded
[23:17] <Ladycrow> now im a newbie to this all
[23:17] <Ladycrow> i used kazaa, back 5 years ago or something
[23:17] <Ladycrow> when i felt it was safe
[23:17] <Ladycrow> stopped using that a long time ago
[23:17] <Ladycrow> and recently decided to stop risking using emule
[23:17] <nextgens> it has never been "safe"
[23:17] * OctoberBork is now known as OctobersDark
[23:17] <Ladycrow> anyways, before starting to use this software and installing it
[23:17] <NullAcht15_> Ladycrow: yes, we all were newbies once. It's a good thing you ask question, because otherwise you will stay a noob
[23:17] <Ladycrow> anyways, before starting to use this software and installing it
[23:17] <Ladycrow> i spent 3 hours searcing on google
[23:17] <Ladycrow> searching
[23:18] <Ladycrow> for information on any arrests by riaa of people using freenet
[23:18] <Ladycrow> found none
[23:18] <Ladycrow> now its possible i missed something
[23:18] <Ladycrow> so was wondering, i figured you guys would know
[23:18] <Ladycrow> did anyone ever get in trouble, or anything when using freenet?
[23:18] <NullAcht15_> freenet is very low-profile, law enforcement usually ignores it
[23:19] <Ladycrow> well
[23:19] <Ladycrow> im mainly worried about asshole companies like riaa
[23:19] <MineHaunter> NullAcht15_: mostly because actually there is nearly NO content on freenet :P
[23:19] <Ladycrow> they tend to target p2ps
[23:19] <NullAcht15_> we can't say for sure, but it's sure possible that some of those chinese dissidents who were using freenet for some time got into trouble for it without the rest of the world ever knowing
[23:21] <nextgens> did anyone got any news from the Destroyer of Worlds ?
[23:21] <NullAcht15_> Also, in case you haven't noticed yet, the main idea behind the development of freenet isn't filesharing but the noble goal of freedom of speech, for those who would otherwise be denied it
[23:21] <Ladycrow> yeah well
[23:21] <nextgens> is he still on .5 ?
[23:21] <Ladycrow> im on 0.7
[23:22] <Ladycrow> but was thinking of trying 0.5 too
[23:22] <NullAcht15_> nextgens: you mean the guy who called himself gott?
[23:22] <nextgens> NullAcht15_> yes
[23:22] <NullAcht15_> I think I've seen him on i2p once, when I tried that for a bit
[23:22] <Ladycrow> by the way, if i "stop" the freenet service, when im not using it, then it wont do anything, right?
[23:23] <NullAcht15_> Ladycrow: no, but the network will benefit from it if you keep it running
[23:23] <nextgens> except hurting the network and easing time-corelation attacks against you, yes
[23:23] <Ladycrow> im on 56k dialup at the moment, so limited bandwidth
[23:23] <Ladycrow> so really cant let anything running, when not using it
[23:23] <Ladycrow> there are only 2 online games i can play multiplayer on this 56k modem, and even then i get lag with nothing downloading in the background
[23:24] <Ladycrow> both guildwars and warcraft 3 (also rise of nations), will run fine in 56k modem
[23:24] <Ladycrow> but just "barely"
[23:24] <Ladycrow> guess you dont get many 56k modem people here, still
[23:24] <Ladycrow> lol
[23:25] <nextgens> indeed
[23:25] <Ladycrow> well im on disability at the moment, and sort of broke
[23:25] * nextgens wouldn't like to go back to the stone age
[23:25] <Ladycrow> so got to manage with what i can afford
[23:26] <Ladycrow> its livable
[23:26] <Ladycrow> but it can be a pain in the butt
[23:26] <Ladycrow> i downloaded a 1.5 gigabyte game, and took 10 days to finish download
[23:26] <Ladycrow> 150 megabytes per day, give or take
[23:27] <Ladycrow> atleast game didnt suck when i finished download, would of sucked to spend that much time and then find out it sucked
[23:27] <Ladycrow> lol
[23:27] <Ladycrow> anyways, i was trying to get Thaw to work still
[23:27] <Ladycrow> i searched for jflesch on frost and didnt find it
[23:28] <Ladycrow> how do i get the initial index for thaw?
[23:28] <MineHaunter> Ladycrow: ask on frost, "thaw" board
[23:28] <MineHaunter> if you don't have that board you can add it manually
[23:31] <Ladycrow> k
[23:32] <nextgens> yay, there is a new edition of the darknet index \o/
[23:32] <nextgens> freenet:USK@PFeLTa1si2Ml5sDeUy7eDhPso6TPdmw-2gWfQ4Jg02w,3ocfrqgUMVWA2PeorZx40TW0c-FiIOL-TWKQHoDbVdE,AQABAAE/Index/41/
[23:32] <nextgens> last one was 18/07/2006
[23:33] <nextgens> meaning that the guy is back :)
[23:34] <Ladycrow> will that above link work for thaw?
[23:34] * Ash-Fox (i=UNKNOWN@) Quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
[23:34] <MineHaunter> Ladycrow: no
[23:34] <NullAcht15_> Ladycrow: No, you need to use it with the web interface
[23:35] <MineHaunter> Ladycrow: it's an index of freesites, which are just like websites for freenet
[23:35] <nextgens> bbl
[23:35] <Ladycrow> k
[23:36] <Ladycrow> another thing
[23:36] <Ladycrow> i noticed that its sort of anti-IE
[23:36] <Ladycrow> what exactly does IE, or lets say IE 6, give out, what info?
[23:36] <Ladycrow> i mean when you use ie, to connect to a link like above
[23:38] <MineHaunter> Ladycrow: try this link with IE6
[23:38] <MineHaunter> http://127.0.0.1:8888/freenet:CHK@qhg6NvKnWfG~mKm1akieQfc70pqWXvlyqyBsOnyUZr0,F65SIZDVMBjP9U1Rm1qXK~9Yb8nITW9NO3GdJw3orR8,AAEC--8/index.txt
[23:38] <MineHaunter> then try it with any other browser
[23:39] <NullAcht15_> Ladycrow: the problem is that ie does not honour the MIME type that it's given by the webserver and instead tries to determine it itself, which is a security risk on freenet
[23:44] <Ladycrow> okay trying link
[23:44] <Ladycrow> since not sure what you mean yet
[23:48] <Ladycrow> i got an "error data not found"
[23:48] <Ladycrow> on the above link
[23:48] <Ladycrow> let me try again
[23:50] <Ladycrow> i just get data not found on that link
[23:51] <NullAcht15_> happens a lot. Press F5 (reload)
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