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[0:04] <sleon> rah: it makes it easy to download and upload things from/to freenet
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[0:08] <rah> sleon: how do you download with it?
[0:08] <rah> there's doesn't seem to be any UI for telling it to download something
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[0:35] <paveq> mirror1.freenetproject.org seems to work now
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[0:37] <paveq> nextgens: theres no /freenet directory anymore
[0:37] <paveq> nextgens: its straight in /
[0:39] <paveq> someone please edit the mirrors file
[0:42] <paveq> made a symlink so people don't get 404
[0:42] <paveq> but please update the mirrors file :)
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[2:28] <CIA-14> jflesch * r10820 /trunk/apps/Thaw/images/key.png: Change key icon color
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[3:53] <CIA-14> zothar * r10821 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Format some log message times. Add fractional seconds to TimeUtil. Fix a node statistic via FCP bug.
[3:54] <CIA-14> zothar * r10822 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/support/TimeUtil.java: CRLF -> LF
[3:58] <CIA-14> zothar * r10823 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/support/TimeUtil.java: Tweak TimeUtil fractional seconds formatting.
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[4:14] <zxxc> wondering if there is anyone who would exchange noderefs #freenet-ref is kinda silent
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[6:25] <TheSeeker> hmm... fcpput with getchkonly and dontcompress does not return the same result as an actual insert that is not compressed, using fuqid.
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[9:59] <nextgens> rah> latency, not bandwidth
[10:00] <nextgens> paveq> done
[10:01] <nextgens> TheSeeker> snoop the FCP session of fuqid to find out why
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[11:04] <rah> nextgens: I know the difference, thanks
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[11:20] <nextgens> someone has started a frost alternative ?
[11:20] <nextgens> USK@46sF87CTUs4uWuucKiJ9iakETCyE4tNQKSV-EX5lGLA,t6cYrL4JxpqN~rbgPZaT4YAbiKsI56~BbQP1Z2R~tng,AQABAAE/Worst/1/
[11:25] <droden> Hmm, I had the plan but never got around to even starting it.
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[11:34] * nextgens thinks it should be a fproxy plugin
[11:34] <nextgens> rather than a separate app
[11:41] <nextgens> frost CVS don't compile :<
[11:41] <nextgens> frost CVS doesn't compile :<
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[11:58] <TheSeeker> I compiled Frost a few days ago... I wonder what changed?
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[12:18] <neoprog> Hello :)
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[12:35] <neoprog> Hello :)hello
[12:35] <neoprog> please can you explain me how can y add references ?
[12:36] <neoprog> i am on http://localhost:8888/
[12:36] <neoprog> and y have a filed Fetch a Key is there i add references ?
[12:37] <MineHaunter> neoprog: you can find you node reference @ http://127.0.0.1:8888/darknet/
[12:37] <MineHaunter> there is also a form where you can add other node refs
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[12:38] <MineHaunter> please join #freenet-refs to meet other people interested in becoming peers
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[12:39] <neoprog> ok y have find
[12:39] <neoprog> thanks :)
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[13:00] <Freehatmc> Is it pointless having a reflist full of new users...
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[13:07] <neoprog> is http://jtcfrost.sourceforge.net/ online ?
[13:07] <neoprog> i can acces it :(
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[13:10] <neoprog> ???
[13:10] <neoprog> plz .
[13:10] <neoprog> ?
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[13:14] <Riccardo> hi all, question, I upgraded to build 993 and I don't like the way the private notes cause a page reload on change, is there a way to turn that off?
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[13:20] <fasta> Can I control Freenet via Telnet when the webinterface is also active?
[13:20] <fasta> telnet 127.0.0.1 2323 <- does not work
[13:21] <nextgens> sure you can
[13:21] <nextgens> check your configuration setings
[13:21] <nextgens> +t
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[13:22] <fasta> Never mind, it's working.
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[13:34] <Freehatmc> Is there a way of determining ping time to any of the people on your darknet? I'm getting a ping warning on the fproxy page...
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[13:58] <Riccardo> any1 know how to change the private note page reload when making changes, this is really annoying
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[14:00] <nextgens> Riccardo> some people have been complaining that the old behaviour wasn't convenient either
[14:00] <Riccardo> then they need to give us an option to turn theis new feature on or off, I think
[14:01] <nextgens> disable javascript if you don't like it ... or bug Zothar, he implemented it
[14:02] <MineHaunter> lol
[14:02] <MineHaunter> I didn't notice this new behaviour :D
[14:02] <MineHaunter> it's funny
[14:02] <Riccardo> is he availble via email? if so, just tell me yes if his email is available on the freenet page
[14:03] <nextgens> zothar at freenetproject |dot| org should work
[14:03] <nextgens> or find the revelant bug in the BTS : https://bugs.freenetproject.org
[14:04] <nextgens> there is already a ticket for it iirc
[14:04] <Riccardo> cool, thanks :D
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[14:05] <nextgens> Riccardo> heads up, he is here
[14:06] <Riccardo> Zothar, is there a way for you to give us an option to turn off
[14:06] <Riccardo> the auto page reload script that reloads the darknet page
[14:06] <Riccardo> when making a privet note change?
[14:07] <Riccardo> I find this feature extremely annoying
[14:07] <Zothar> Yeah, I could probably do that. I might even be tempted to make it off by default; thoughts nextgens?
[14:07] <Zothar> if off, there'd be no Javascript on that page
[14:07] <nextgens> that if it's not the default it would be useleszs
[14:08] <Zothar> and Javascript could be disabled for FProxy browsed pages like it should be
[14:08] <Zothar> so off by default then?
[14:08] * nextgens thinks that the tab. should be refactored
[14:08] <nextgens> we should have an "edit the peer" button
[14:08] <nextgens> and we shouldn't encourage "mass" operations on the peerlist
[14:09] <Zothar> So edit BurstOnly and friends with the private peer note on a separate page?
[14:09] <nextgens> yes
[14:10] <nextgens> the code would be simpler, and the interface better imo
[14:10] <MineHaunter> maybe add some more stats (eh. ping time) on the main table
[14:10] <Zothar> 'course you realize, someone will just write a "node management FCP client"
[14:10] <nextgens> Zothar> sure
[14:10] <Zothar> MineHaunter: what do you mean by "main table"?
[14:10] <nextgens> then we could remove node management from fcp :D
[14:10] <MineHaunter> the actual table list of peers
[14:10] <nextgens> </kidding>
[14:11] <nextgens> Zothar> anyway, I suggest we do it
[14:11] <Zothar> MineHaunter: it's there, at least in advanced mode
[14:11] <nextgens> a new fcp app would be a good thing
[14:11] <nextgens> it would mean that someone has written an api and has looked/reviewed the code
[14:12] <nextgens> and in the meantime, that would prevent "bad behaviours" from users
[14:12] <MineHaunter> Zothar: no, I don't have it... to see ping time you have to expand node data (more deailed)
[14:12] <Zothar> MineHaunter: do you have an Address column on your /darknet/ page?
[14:12] <MineHaunter> yes
[14:13] <MineHaunter> oh
[14:13] <Zothar> :)
[14:13] <MineHaunter> now I think I'm stupid :)
[14:13] <MineHaunter> ok, then i will ask another feature :P
[14:14] <MineHaunter> it would be nice to be able to sort the peer list
[14:14] <MineHaunter> not sure how hard it is to implement tho
[14:14] <Zothar> there's a bug for that; I dunno if I'll get around to that one even if it'd be nice
[14:14] * nextgens doesn't see the purpose
[14:15] * nextgens thinks we are wasting much time implementing useless features
[14:15] <MineHaunter> anyway, it's not so important as someone will eventually write a node management app so..
[14:15] <Zothar> the purpose is to sort the peer list how the user wants it :)
[14:15] <Zothar> nextgens: what do you think would be a useful feature to implement?
[14:15] <nextgens> non-ui features
[14:16] <nextgens> like new keytypes,
[14:16] <MineHaunter> new keytypes?
[14:16] <nextgens> new usefull features like binary blobs, update over mandatory, ...
[14:16] <paveq> 05/Nov/2006:15:33:47 +0200] "GET /alpha/plugins/Librarian/Librarian-r10370.jar HTTP/1.1" 404 401
[14:16] <paveq> nextgens: any idea?
[14:16] <nextgens> why not, "send a file to your peer"
[14:16] <paveq> I got lot of hits to that non-existing file
[14:17] <nextgens> MineHaunter> we don't have DBRs on .7
[14:17] <nextgens> nor any RSK keytype
[14:17] <MineHaunter> nextgens: I really don't miss DBR a lot :)
[14:17] <MineHaunter> what's RSK?
[14:17] <nextgens> revokable keys
[14:18] <MineHaunter> oh
[14:18] * nextgens misses more DBRs than "sorting the peer list" ;)
[14:18] <MineHaunter> :P
[14:19] <Zothar> and most/all of those things are into areas of the code I am not familiar with, which is probably why I haven't been working with them: more learning curve
[14:19] <Zothar> to me USKs have replaced DBRs quite nicely
[14:19] <nextgens> paveq> fixed
[14:19] <paveq> what was it? :)
[14:19] <nextgens> Zothar> and/or optimizing the datastore format, creating and using an unified Environment to spare memory
[14:20] <nextgens> paveq> date based redirects
[14:20] <Zothar> i.e. a toad_ type of thing since from my perspective there be dragons in there
[14:20] <nextgens> ^^-^^
[14:20] <nextgens> mantis is full of things to do
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[14:21] <nextgens> but I'm worried that we (commiters) spend most of our time fixing/improving fproxy
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[14:21] <nextgens> nb: it's true for me too
[14:21] <paveq> nextgens: fproxy needs improving too
[14:21] <paveq> its kinda minimal atm
[14:22] <nextgens> I'm loosing time implementing the "Test Ya browser Toadlet"
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[14:22] <paveq> could do lot more things
[14:22] <nextgens> whereas there are many other usefull things I could do
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[14:22] <Zothar> Should the private peer note Javascript option be for it only or generic to all Javascript?
[14:22] <nextgens> we don't have js anywhere else iirc :)
[14:22] <MineHaunter> I'd put a generic option for js
[14:22] <Zothar> I'll just make it generic for now :)
[14:23] <MineHaunter> to be used for future js too
[14:23] <nextgens> there won't be futur js
[14:23] <Zothar> excepting the browser test I suppose
[14:23] * nextgens isn't keen on keeping that script either
[14:23] <Zothar> yeah, not a big fan of it in FProxy
[14:23] <nextgens> on the browser testing toadlet, I warn the user he shouldn't enable it ;)
[14:24] <MineHaunter> can we add a MS office assistant in fProxy please?
[14:24] <MineHaunter> :P
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[14:24] <MineHaunter> hey wait
[14:24] <MineHaunter> the js option is useless
[14:24] <nextgens> indeed
[14:24] <MineHaunter> just disable js in your browser, that's it
[14:25] <nextgens> Zothar> I suggest you refactor the tab. as said insteed
[14:25] <nextgens> and remove the JS script
[14:26] <Zothar> Eh; I hate making new Toadlets; so much to remind myself of
[14:26] <Zothar> adding a config option is bad enough
[14:26] <Ricccardo> disbling javascript in the browser in'st an option for me, I run Mozilla and Firefox, and have other pages open that require JS
[14:26] <nextgens> you shouldn't use the same browser to surf on freenet anyway
[14:26] <nextgens> ever heard of browser profiles ? :)
[14:27] <Zothar> Ricccardo: get the NoScript extension
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[14:30] <Zothar> Ricccardo: get the NoScript extension
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[14:48] <nextgens> Zothar> yetAnotherThing to be done :
[14:48] <nextgens> ----- cptn_insano@_g2YxqIynCrs2bcwLGQkr+0b544 ----- 2006.11.02 - 14:21:35GMT -----
[14:48] <nextgens> Would it be possible to preallocate the store/cache files? On my machine I end up with thousands of fragments. This is on a dedicated NTFS partition. I can imagine EXT2/3 will suffer to a lesser degree as well. I figure if I'm going to give Freenet xGB of storage, it can just have it now and not slowly fill it. As a bonus my hard drive won't be so busy seeking.
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[14:48] <nextgens> ----- toad@zceUWxlSaHLmvEMnbr4RHnVfehA ----- 2006.11.03 - 11:36:00GMT -----
[14:48] <nextgens> Been planned since the beginning. Expect implementation any decade now.
[14:48] <nextgens> https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=100
[14:48] * nextgens loves the "Expect implementation any decade now"
[14:48] <Zothar> yeah, that's good; that's still toad_ store/cache voodoo to me
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[14:49] <Zothar> in any case, it should be an option
[14:50] <Zothar> fixing the hardlimit on store/cache size is what I think should happen next with that code; N2NTM deletion got broken by the form refactoring I think
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[14:55] <Stargazer2> I'm playing around with firefox profiles... Is there a way to have two profiles at once opened? On Linux, if I open it with "firefox -ProfileManager", the menu shows up only the first time
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[14:57] <nextgens> try with -profilemanager insteed
[14:57] <CIA-14> zothar * r10824 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/ (4 files in 2 dirs): FProxy use of Javascript is now optional and off by default.
[14:57] <nextgens> and untick the "don't ask at startup"
[14:58] <nextgens> or use -P <profile name>
[14:58] <Stargazer2> tried that already, its somehow strange
[14:58] <Stargazer2> typing "firefox -P Internet" and after that "firefox -P Freenet" opens my Internet-profile twice, and vice versa
[14:59] <cyberdo> I'm running all freenet-things as another user, with an encrypted homedir
[14:59] <Zothar> Riccccard0: try r10824
[15:00] <Stargazer2> cyberdo: I do too, but I still want to have access to internet, e.g. for bugtracker, freenet-homepage...
[15:01] <cyberdo> but I use it all from an unencrypted user... just ssh to localhost as the other user (su didn't work for some readon)
[15:03] <Stargazer2> cyberdo: which won't solve the problem of starting two firefox instances ;)
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[15:04] <nextgens> the browser for freenet should have fproxy configured as an http proxy
[15:04] <nextgens> so that you're almost sure no outgoing request will be made
[15:05] <nextgens> possibly you should firewall the user too using netfilter
[15:06] <Stargazer2> nextgens, thats why I'm trying to work with two profiles. just can't open both at the same time
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[15:07] * nextgens isn't using both at the same time
[15:07] <nextgens> I've got a separate user for freenet
[15:07] <nextgens> a chrooted one
[15:07] <nextgens> with custom firewall rules
[15:07] <nextgens> ...
[15:08] <nextgens> and I connect to it using Xnest
[15:08] <dalgore> Stargazer...I run on Linux using freenet as a separate user running off and encrypted partiton...I then can swwitch between 2 x sessions with regular user on one and freenet user on the other
[15:08] <nextgens> dalgore> I suggest you rtfm about xnest :)
[15:09] <nextgens> maybe I should provide some of my scripts
[15:09] <nextgens> or do a page about it on the wiki
[15:09] * Stargazer2 votes for a page with some hints ;)
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[15:10] <dalgore> thanks nextcgens will do
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[15:35] <dalgore> nextgens --so what is the benefit to running rtfm?
[15:36] <dalgore> I'm not a linux dummy...but not a sys admin either lol
[15:37] <cyberdo> Stargazer2: well.. it does.. I start one for each user... but I get your point, and I understand the problem
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[15:37] <dalgore> xnest I mean lol
[15:39] <nextgens> dalgore> Xnest is usefull to start one X server inside an other one
[15:40] <nextgens> it's really more convenient than using different virtual terminals
[15:40] <nextgens> and moreover the copy&paste works in between the two
[15:44] <CIA-14> zothar * r10825 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/io/comm/DMT.java: indent
[15:45] <dalgore> ahh ok understood
[15:46] <Stargazer2> cyberdo, so probably the easiest way would be to do it like dalgore suggested (switching between 2 sessions) and try out Xnest
[15:49] <cyberdo> Stargazer2: yep.. something like that
[15:50] <cyberdo> once I move, I'm planning on having a dedicated computer for freenet... with encrypted disks, and a seperate nNIC for internet and one that goes directly to my comp,and only allowing like SSH or such
[15:52] <Stargazer2> nevermind... just found out that I can start firefox through a ssh connection... oh well, there's still much to learn for me
[15:53] <cyberdo> Stargazer2: exactly what I'm doing ;o)
[15:53] <cyberdo> perhaps we should create some secure-with-linux-community
[15:55] <Stargazer2> yeah... that's why I think it would be a good idea to have a part in the freenet-wiki for that. or something similar ;)
[15:56] <Zothar> nextgens: what, if anything, limits the length of a DMT message to a peer or than the node just not trying to send more than X bytes and if that is it, where is X defined?
[15:56] <Zothar> s/peer or than/peer other than/
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[16:06] <nextgens> Zothar> DMT is message level
[16:06] <nextgens> not packet level :)
[16:06] <nextgens> there is no length limit for a dmt message iirc
[16:06] <Zothar> so it'll fragment and everything; cool
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[16:07] <Zothar> Strings can take full 8 bit binary data, right?
[16:08] <nextgens> I dunno in java :$
[16:08] <nextgens> test it :)
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[16:09] <Zothar> I'm looking at it; HTTPRequest.getPartAsString returns "" if the part is larger than maxlength: that's annoying
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[16:10] <Zothar> that means that a really long N2NTM doesn't get sent and the user gets the /darknet/ page instead of an error or something
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[16:15] <nextgens> that's normal I would say
[16:15] <nextgens> if you want to fix it properly, make it throw an exception
[16:15] <nextgens> and make Toadlets catch them
[16:15] <nextgens> so that we don't have to catch it on every new one
[16:16] <nextgens> btw, a long N2NTM message shouldn't be sent ;)
[16:16] <nextgens> the proper way of dealing with that would be not to try to display it first ;)
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[16:27] <Zothar> ah, but if a few answers work out the way I want them to, we may already have "binary blob" N2NMs
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[16:47] <Zothar> nextgens: the form changes recently broke N2NTMs; if there are two newlines, I get the problem (at least that seems to be the pattern); guess I'll have to look deeper into why...
[16:48] * nextgens knows why
[16:48] <nextgens> check the form-encoding
[16:48] <nextgens> that's what toad has changed
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[16:50] <Zothar> nextgens: this is wrong? enctype="multipart/form-data"
[16:50] <nextgens> I dunno
[16:50] <nextgens> I know he changed the handling of it in toadlets
[16:51] * Zothar studies toad's commits
[16:51] <nextgens> so that we can use any method (getPart or getParameter) whether the encoding is set to
[16:54] <Zothar> looks like he switched most toadlets to Parts for posted forms saying he was fixing something
[16:54] <Zothar> ...but of course N2NTMs weren't changed...
[16:58] <nextgens> ;)
[16:59] <TheSeeker> nextgens: do you think that a pure darknet can actually ever have enough interconnectedness to be small-world?
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[17:03] <nextgens> I don't know, but I trust hobx's black magic
[17:19] <TheSeeker> I don't.
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[17:23] <TheSeeker> freenet as it is now is a 1d network ... and when perfoectly organized that means that 2/3s of my conenctions should be the closest nodes possible to my location, and each of those 'close' nodes should be connected to eachother as well, with the exception of the nodes at the ends to either side of me. All of my onencted nodes would also have to have nearly the same number of connections as I have also...
[17:23] <TheSeeker> there's just no way that this is actually occuring in the real world.
[17:23] <digger3> Hi. When trying to start the installer I get the error: java.util.MissingResourceException: Couldn't find 3-letter country code for XX, and the trace... any help?
[17:24] <nextgens> digger3> interresting one :)
[17:24] <nextgens> digger3> try export LC_ALL=C before starting the installer
[17:25] <nextgens> TheSeeker> here it works ; I've got one "long" link
[17:25] <digger3> nextgens: that fixes it :)
[17:26] <nextgens> just to know, what's your native language ?
[17:26] <digger3> nextgens: Dutch, but my system is set for Esperanto ;)
[17:27] * nextgens wonders if there is a 3letter country code for Esperanto
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[17:28] <digger3> nextgens: it's not a country, so I guess not
[17:29] <digger3> join #freenet-refs
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[17:32] <nextgens> hmm, it seems to be "epo"
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[17:34] <CIA-14> nextgens * r10826 /trunk/apps/new_installer/ (install.xml langpacks/epo.xml): new_installer: add a generic, english langpack for esperanto... it was preventing the installer from starting
[17:34] <nextgens> digger3> ok, so it's fixed upstream
[17:35] <digger3> nextgens: cool, that's fast
[17:37] <nextgens> well, I'm not 100% sure it will work though
[17:42] <digger3> nextgens: I can test the installer for you if you have a jar file
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[17:43] <TheSeeker> nextgens: but how many of your 'close' links are connected to eachother? Also, you hould have more than 1 'long' link ... assuming you have more than 3 total.
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[17:44] <nextgens> TheSeeker> I dunno, that's the point of a darknet ;)
[17:44] <TheSeeker> The point is that the number of links that are short vs long in the network is meaningless if the reason for it isn't because of having a high degree of interconnectedness.
[17:44] <nextgens> digger3> well, the current trunk version of the installer is a bit too unstable for me to ask you to test it :)
[17:45] <digger3> ok, np :)
[17:46] <nextgens> TheSeeker> I'm connected to most of the devs... and I think they do too ...
[17:46] <nextgens> it's likely we are very well interconnected
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[17:51] <TheSeeker> that's great for the 10 or 15 people that make up that small group... but the rest of the network is more than likely far more randomly connected.
[17:53] <_ph00> MineHaunter
[17:54] <MineHaunter> yo
[17:54] <_ph00> is your node up?
[17:55] <MineHaunter> updating my node :)
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[18:34] <semtexa> anyone here ho have o god link page
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[18:42] <Zothar> semtexa: you tried the bookmarked index/indicies on the front page?
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[19:09] <polidy> alot of my downloads on Thaw are stucks at 99% but fproxy shows that they are complete
[19:09] <polidy> how can i fix it?
[19:11] <Zothar> polidy: perhaps you'll get something different from the /queue/ page in FProxy. Other than that, I dunno.
[19:11] <Zothar> nextgens: it's beginning to look like there's a limitation on N2NTM size outside of the sending side of things; I'm still investigating
[19:12] <nextgens> polidy> what node version are you running ?
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[19:12] <nextgens> polidy> it has been fixed in 993 iirc
[19:12] <polidy> 993
[19:12] <nextgens> update your copy of thaw then :)
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[19:12] <polidy> i just force restarted the downloads, i'll see wat happens
[19:13] <polidy> mhmh... i'll run the alpha then
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[19:14] <polidy> hey man, it worked! all 100% now
[19:14] <_ttsoares_> Greetings... we are a buch of newbies at freenet-ref... please, one of you (old nodes) could give some help adding one of us ?
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[19:21] <CIA-14> zothar * r10827 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/ (3 files in 3 dirs): N2NTM send and dismiss fixes.
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[19:37] <CIA-14> nextgens * r10828 /trunk/apps/pyFreenet/refbot.py: refbot: strip() urls
[19:37] <Zothar> heh on r10828
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[20:02] <z> como uso freenet
[20:03] <z> como uso freenet?
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[20:16] <CIA-14> jflesch * r10829 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/plugins/index/SearchResult.java: Do searchs on file names instead of file keys
[20:16] <MineHaunter> oh, no... another fproxy interface bug
[20:17] <MineHaunter> bookmarks can be added but not edited or removed
[20:17] <Zothar> MineHaunter: file a bug; toad_ probably broke it Friday
[20:17] <MineHaunter> k
[20:30] <CIA-14> jflesch * r10830 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/plugins/index/ (IndexBrowserPanel.java IndexEditorPanel.java Tables.java): Change default link list size
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[21:47] <winst0n> hi!
[21:47] <winst0n> can someone give me an entry key?
[21:48] <OctobersDark> try #feenet-refs winst0n
[21:52] <winst0n> thx
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[22:01] <ttsoares> Plase, some info: jSite is not working (sockt error) how can one publish a site in freenet ?
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[22:14] <ttsoares> Plase, some info: jSite is not working (sockt error) how can one publish a site in freenet ?
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[23:02] <fridim> re.
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