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[0:04] <ray_> Hmm ... new user, would like to get started on the freenet.
[0:05] <ray_> anyone willing to help a stable freenet node get up and running.
[0:06] <toad_> hmmm?
[0:06] <toad_> stable?
[0:06] <ray_> as in up and running 24/7
[0:06] <ray_> :-)
[0:06] <toad_> if you need refs, go to #freenet-refs
[0:06] <ray_> ahh
[0:06] <ray_> thanks ... duh.
[0:06] <toad_> if you need to report a bug, ask for help etc, stay here
[0:07] <ray_> Oh I will likely be back ...
[0:07] <ray_> I tried this whole she'bang 5 years ago ... mostly put off by the "instability" of the overall network.
[0:08] <toad_> instability?
[0:08] <toad_> well the problem at the moment is references
[0:09] <toad_> good night
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[0:15] <Caco_Patane> ray_, maybe i can help
[0:15] <Caco_Patane> what do you need?
[0:19] <ray_> caco_patane, Thank you
[0:20] <ray_> Caco_Patane, I was in the wrong channel! As toad_ said my problem was references! and they hooked me up in #freener-refs
[0:20] <ray_> uhm ... #freenet-refs ...
[0:20] <ray_> heh ...
[0:20] <ray_> well need to run to work now
[0:20] <ray_> Thanks ... will be back to visit after i get my feet wet.
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[0:56] <sdfsf> ls
[0:57] <sdfsf> Hello, can you help me, iam search a debian repository for freenet?
[0:57] <Zothar_Work> bin boot cdrom dev floppy home initrd lib mnt nfs proc root sbin tmp usr var vmlinuz vmlinuz.old
[0:57] <Zothar_Work> there isn't one yet
[0:58] <Zothar_Work> once you'd got a working Sun Java, you should be able to just follow the installation instructions for Linux
[0:59] <sdfsf> i have startet the peer.... on my vserber
[0:59] <sdfsf> server
[1:00] <sdfsf> but, i cant open the browser config page form my local pc
[1:00] <Zothar_Work> head on over to #freenet-refs to exchange refs with others and get some connections
[1:00] <Zothar_Work> use lynx and tell it to allow connections from your IP address and to bind to 0.0.0.0 rather than 127.0.0.1 for the FProxy port
[1:01] <sdfsf> hm ok:) but i have the vserver , reinstalled and i search a easy way ..with apt-get:)
[1:01] <sdfsf> oh my englich is bad:)
[1:02] <Zothar_Work> eh, my typing is bad, so you're OK; unfortunately, I have to head home; Perhaps someone else can help you out further.
[1:03] <Zothar_Work> laters
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[1:04] <sdfsf> ok thanks
[1:08] <CIA-14> caco_patane * r10799 /trunk/apps/pyFreenet/fcp/node.py: Added support for GetNode client-to-node FCP message and NodeData node-to-client FCP message.
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[3:28] <_ph00> ?
[3:29] <_ph00> some peers try to connect to my old node's freenet port
[3:29] <_ph00> the node I screwed up and replaced with the current node
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[4:16] <AnyQ22> hi
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[9:37] <CIA-14> mrogers * r10800 /trunk/apps/load-balancing-sims/phase7/sim/handlers/ (3 files): Closest location should be >= not >
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[9:45] <CIA-14> mrogers * r10801 /trunk/apps/load-balancing-sims/phase7/sim/handlers/SskInsertHandler.java: new Integer(3) != new Integer(3)
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[10:21] <JensKoeln> hi
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[10:56] <bobdufour> hi anyone up for noderef exchange?
[11:02] <anonymouse> you want the -refs channel
[11:03] <anonymouse> this one no one will answer you for that
[11:05] <bobdufour> ok thanks anonymouse
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[11:51] <`axion> hi, new to freenet here :) does anyone know why it detects that i am behind a smmetric firewall? i am behind a router with the required port open...even tried dmz mode (all traffic unblocked) and it says the same message after a node restart
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[11:54] <CIA-14> toad * r10802 /trunk/apps/installer/installclasspath/config/wrapper.conf: Increase default max memory to 192MB.
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[12:36] <nextgens> hi
[12:37] * nextgens is fighting against HTMLNode
[12:37] <nextgens> Bombe> around ? how can you insert raw, non encoded html within it ?
[12:37] <nextgens> is it possible or do I have to do it "the old way"
[12:37] <nextgens> ?
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[12:45] <nextgens> cool :/
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[12:45] <nextgens> Bombe> hi
[12:48] <CIA-14> nextgens * r10803 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/ (BrowserTestToadlet.java FProxyToadlet.java): Draft of a BrowserTestToadlet : do NOT link to it for now
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[13:12] <nextgens> is any javascript wizzard around ?
[13:12] * nextgens is trying to change the source of an <img>, is it doable ?
[13:17] <nextgens> toad_> I'm not convinced by your latest commit (increasing the max memory setting)
[13:17] <MineHaunter> if the img has an id you simply do document.getElementById('your_image_id').src = 'http://newsrc'
[13:17] <nextgens> toad_> for some people it will cause swapping ... and will be catastrophical
[13:17] <MineHaunter> if it doesn't have an id, you must go through all document structure to find the right image
[13:18] <nextgens> ah cool
[13:18] * nextgens didn't know about getElementById
[13:18] <MineHaunter> :)
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[13:30] <CIA-14> nextgens * r10804 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/BrowserTestToadlet.java: New, improved version of the Javascript test on /test/ ... I NEED to implement a way of sending not-encoded HTML :/
[13:33] <Zothar> nextgens: regarding not-encoded HTML, I believe I've added that with % instead of # as in: contentNode.addChild("script", "type", "text/javascript").addChild("%", jsBuf.toString());
[13:33] <Zothar> (added in r10740 for the peer private note stuff)
[13:35] <nextgens> ahhh
[13:35] * nextgens tests
[13:37] <nextgens> it works \o/
[13:37] <CIA-14> nextgens * r10805 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/BrowserTestToadlet.java:
[13:37] <CIA-14> Found it! now it works :)
[13:37] <CIA-14> thanks to Zothar for suggesting '%'
[13:42] <nextgens> if anyone has got any idea of new tests to add to that toadlet ;)
[13:43] <nextgens> maybe an activeX one
[13:43] <nextgens> and a java applet
[13:43] <CIA-14> zothar * r10806 /trunk/apps/pyFreenet/ (fcp/node.py refbot.py): Documentation tweaks
[13:43] <nextgens> hmm
[13:43] <nextgens> java is probably safe anyway
[13:44] <nextgens> bbiab
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[13:47] <Caco_Patane> Hallo
[13:48] <Zothar> howdy
[13:48] <Zothar> tweaked the pyfcp commit you made yesterday
[13:49] <Caco_Patane> great, i will review the changes in order to understand what i was doing =P
[13:49] <Zothar> they were just doc tweaks
[13:49] <Zothar> I haven't actually tried running your code yet... :)
[13:49] <Caco_Patane> haha, no probs
[13:51] <Caco_Patane> f*ck, now the freenet page is bloked in the office
[13:52] <Zothar> ssh tunnels and proxy across is your friend... :)
[13:52] <Zothar> (though if there's a policy against Freenet at work, don't run it there; consequences can be way too bad)
[13:55] <Caco_Patane> i know, i don't run freenet at work
[13:55] <Caco_Patane> and have a few tunnels to use Jabber and work with some machines at home
[13:56] <Caco_Patane> but a tunnel to emu.freenetproject.org redirect the broser from localhost to another url
[13:56] <Caco_Patane> i'm browsing it with elinks, problem solved
[13:58] <Caco_Patane> i thought that GetNode FCP was returning stats, is that the plan?
[14:03] <Zothar> It does if withVolatile is included
[14:03] <Zothar> s/included/true/
[14:06] <Zothar> nextgens: BTW, I believe you want to use type="text/javascript" rather than language="javascript"
[14:18] <Caco_Patane> Zothar
[14:18] <Caco_Patane> so now, if i call the new method like
[14:18] <Zothar> yeees?
[14:19] <Caco_Patane> import fcp
[14:19] <Caco_Patane> f = fcp.FCPNode(host='127.0.0.1', verbosity=fcp.DETAIL)
[14:19] <Caco_Patane> f.refstats(withVolatile=True)
[14:20] <Caco_Patane> i should get different (more?) values than if i call it without that parameter?
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[14:20] <Zothar> should, yeah, I believe so
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[14:23] <Caco_Patane> mmm...
[14:23] <slick> Hi, I was longer away from freenet. how stable and secure ist 0.7 now?
[14:25] <Zothar> slick: try it and find out :) It seems to generally work better than 0.5 and the truly paranoid can use a true darknet model for added privacy; 0.7 doesn't have opennet yet (0.5 is opennet)
[14:26] <Zothar> hmm... GetNode testing is returning unexpected results...
[14:26] <slick> Zothar: that mean 0.7 is so secure as 0.5? (i dont really the understand darknet model)
[14:27] <Zothar> darknet means that only your peers know you're running a node unless you tell someone who's not your peer; peers are added manually rather than collected automatically like they are in 0.5
[14:29] <slick> Zothar: I dont know anybody who running it (without the people here) is that enough?
[14:30] <Zothar> if you "know" people here, then that's people you know; that's more private than exchanging refs with strangers on #freenet-refs
[14:32] <Caco_Patane> the WithVolatile=True worked
[14:32] <Caco_Patane> NODE: volatile.uptimeSeconds=56801
[14:32] <Caco_Patane> NODE: volatile.networkSizeEstimateSession=383
[14:32] <Caco_Patane> NODE: volatile.bwlimitDelayTime=100.34331999638508
[14:32] <Caco_Patane> NODE: volatile.pInstantReject=0.0013480470172421662
[14:32] <slick> Zothar: no, I mean I dont "really know" people here ...
[14:32] <Caco_Patane> NODE: volatile.backedoffPercent=0.20687948065355433
[14:32] <Caco_Patane> slick, i don't REALLY know people here either
[14:33] <Caco_Patane> but i know the ones that follow similar intrests
[14:33] <Caco_Patane> than i
[14:33] <Caco_Patane> (regarding privacy, freedom and so on)
[14:34] <slick> yes, but I dont understand it complete. I only have to found one to connect my 0.7 peer an than I within a "big" network, or its only an network between me and the person I know
[14:34] <slick> ?
[14:34] <Zothar> ah, I was forgetting that it's capitalized for FCP...
[14:35] <Caco_Patane> Zothar, what?
[14:35] <Zothar> WithVolatile instead of withVolatile
[14:35] <Caco_Patane> slick, you connect to a few peers, don't need to connect with the whole network
[14:35] <Caco_Patane> yes, i was missing that too
[14:35] <Caco_Patane> i've checked the wiki, and now is working
[14:35] <slick> an what about an statistic? is there one with the count or percent who running 0.5 or 0.7?
[14:35] <Zothar> slick: 0.7 works on the princple of "six degrees of separation" it's who you know _and_ who they know
[14:36] <Zothar> .etc
[14:36] <Zothar> heh, I forgot and I even wrote that page on the Wiki... :
[14:36] <Zothar> :)
[14:37] <slick> Zothar: yes, but I not want know anybody.I will setup the client and running it to support the network. you understand?
[14:37] <Caco_Patane> hahahaha
[14:37] <slick> so I think 0.5 its a good choise for me, or not?
[14:37] <Zothar> yeah, sounds like you want opennet, so 0.5 is it for now
[14:37] <Caco_Patane> slick, so maybe you will want to exchange refs on freenet-refs
[14:38] <Caco_Patane> there are a few tools for adding nodes (irc bots)
[14:38] <Zothar> or you could use 0.7 and trade with a bunch of people on #freenet-refs
[14:38] <Caco_Patane> (i try follow the darknet concept)
[14:38] <Zothar> pyfcp has one, though you'll want to get the latest SVN version of a couple files to work well
[14:39] <Caco_Patane> i have about 6 or 7 connectos from a total of 12
[14:39] <slick> ok, I stay on 0.5, I think its better for me, but which network is bigger? the 0.5 or the 0.7?
[14:40] <Caco_Patane> volatile.networkSizeEstimateSession=383
[14:41] <Caco_Patane> (worray, i've used NodeData)
[14:44] <Zothar> slick: it's estimated that 0.5 is shrinking some and 0.7 is growing, but nobody's quite sure how big 0.7 is ATM since the methods of measuring are all currently suspect
[14:44] <Caco_Patane> slick, how many nodes have 0.5 now?
[14:45] <slick> Caco_Patane: I dont know, I have not setup the client yet
[14:45] <slick> my lastest was 04.*
[14:45] <slick> months ago
[14:47] <Caco_Patane> oh, ok
[14:48] <slick> so I looking for the perfect client now.... it should run on a sever with 100Mbit
[14:48] <slick> not for use, only to support the network
[14:49] <Caco_Patane> if you want to support the network
[14:49] <Caco_Patane> 0.7 needs support =D
[14:50] <Caco_Patane> try the java installer, is prety strigth forward
[14:50] <Caco_Patane> (oh, my speeling)
[14:52] <slick> Caco_Patane: yes, but I am not sure if it the right one for me. I know 0.4 was secure, but now I have to build a darknet with people I dont know, I hope you understand me
[14:52] <Caco_Patane> yes but, in 0.5 you dont know either that people
[14:52] <nextgens> if you're not gonna use your node, it doesn't matter :)
[14:55] <slick> ok, thanks...
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[15:18] <schmorp> hi! is there a way to remove darknet peers? i tried "Remove selected peers" but it has no visible effect
[15:20] <nextgens> may I ask why you want to remove it ?
[15:21] <schmorp> it has had an overload probability of 100% for the last 5 days
[15:22] <schmorp> (and my script has disabled it because of that, but i can't remve it even after enabling it again)
[15:23] <nextgens> removing a peer because it's overloaded won't do you any good
[15:23] <schmorp> thats wrong
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[15:23] <nextgens> maybe you're experiencing the bug I tried to fix in 993
[15:23] <schmorp> it saves me bandwidth
[15:24] <schmorp> maybe
[15:24] <nextgens> wrong statement
[15:24] <nextgens> :)
[15:24] <schmorp> i can describe the symptoms
[15:24] <schmorp> corretc statement
[15:24] <nextgens> as the other side won't be aware you removed it
[15:24] <nextgens> it will keep on sending packets to you
[15:24] <schmorp> i don't care about that
[15:24] <schmorp> thats no problem
[15:24] <nextgens> and you're gonna reply with icmp unreachable packets
[15:24] <nextgens> hence your statement is false :)
[15:24] <nextgens> it won't save you any bandwidth
[15:25] <schmorp> well, if you know better, you know better
[15:25] <schmorp> but thats not good, because provably it saves bandwith
[15:25] <schmorp> as tcpdump clearly shows me
[15:25] <schmorp> because no packets go out
[15:25] <schmorp> hence, you are somebody who claims facts that aren't
[15:25] <schmorp> not good at all...
[15:25] <nextgens> switch that peer into ListenOnly mode
[15:25] <schmorp> listenonly makes no difefrence to the bandwith
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[15:26] <nextgens> :XD
[15:26] <schmorp> because it is always connected
[15:26] <Caco_Patane> send a Node2Node message
[15:26] <schmorp> i did a few days ago
[15:26] <schmorp> anyways, can anybody answre my question
[15:27] <schmorp> or do you want to convince me that you know better than me what traffic i receive and generate?
[15:27] <schmorp> the latter is futile, really :(
[15:27] <Caco_Patane> schmorp, yes there is a way to remove darknet peers
[15:28] <Caco_Patane> from fproxy's darknet page
[15:28] <schmorp> Caco_Patane: via tmci maybe? i only tried the webpage yet
[15:28] <schmorp> Caco_Patane: how?
[15:28] <Caco_Patane> select the node and them "remove selected peers"
[15:29] <schmorp> as i said earlier already, that has no visible effect
[15:29] <schmorp> the node stays disabled when its disabled, and backed off when i enable oit before trying that
[15:29] <schmorp> i do get the intermediate page that tells me about waiting 7 days etc.
[15:29] <nextgens> what svn-revision are you running ?
[15:29] <schmorp> and i select "Remove it" there, too
[15:29] <schmorp> i am running 993 from automatic update
[15:30] <schmorp> (or let me check)
[15:30] <schmorp> Freenet 0.7 Build #993 r10771:10790M
[15:30] <Caco_Patane> if you want to do it from the TMCI
[15:30] <Caco_Patane> the command is like this
[15:30] <Caco_Patane> REMOVEPEER:<ip:port|name|identity>
[15:30] <schmorp> Caco_Patane: i cna try that, to see where the bug is
[15:31] <schmorp> via tmci, it works
[15:31] <Caco_Patane> peer remove for me was working
[15:31] <schmorp> Caco_Patane: great :)
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[15:31] * nextgens bets it's an IEonly bug ;)
[15:31] <Caco_Patane> jajaja
[15:31] <schmorp> possibly, given that firefox is ie bug compatible
[15:32] <schmorp> (i am using firefox, btw :)
[15:32] <schmorp> i can try with links
[15:33] <schmorp> same thing with links
[15:33] <Caco_Patane> mmmm
[15:33] <Caco_Patane> do you have it disabled and trying to delete it?
[15:33] <schmorp> yes
[15:33] <schmorp> but when i enable it
[15:33] <Caco_Patane> maybe if you enable it and then delete it
[15:33] <schmorp> and try it, i get the same result
[15:33] <schmorp> rmeovepeer on the diaabled node in tmci removes it
[15:34] <schmorp> btw, a setburstonly in tmci would have been nice *g*
[15:34] <schmorp> (but i am not asking anybody to implement it for me)
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[15:35] <nextgens> still, removing a peer because it's overloaded is silly
[15:35] <nextgens> and it harms the network
[15:35] <Caco_Patane> what *g* means?
[15:36] <schmorp> how would it harm the network if my node can server requests better due to that?
[15:36] <schmorp> Caco_Patane: *grin*
[15:36] <Caco_Patane> (oh, thanks)
[15:36] <schmorp> Caco_Patane: (one shouldn't use abbreviations and such too much in the first place)
[15:36] * Zothar isn't adding features to TMCI anymore; FCP instead :)
[15:37] <schmorp> fcp can set burst only? cool
[15:37] <Zothar> yeah
[15:37] <schmorp> due to my lakc of knowledge, i made a form submit programmatically instead
[15:37] <schmorp> fcp would have been nicer
[15:37] <schmorp> but i will have to fix the perl module to do it first
[15:38] <nextgens> a form submit ?
[15:38] <nextgens> how do you get the formpassword ?
[15:38] <schmorp> i have a script that sets nodes to listenonly if they go below some theshold in connectivity
[15:38] <nextgens> you first GET it ?
[15:38] <schmorp> yes, i get it because i have to parse the webpage, too
[15:38] <nextgens> :D
[15:38] <schmorp> i tried tmci first, but neither does it give me the information, nor can it set burstonly mode
[15:39] <schmorp> and i assumed fcp would not be able to do it anyways ...
[15:39] <nextgens> [15:36] < schmorp> | how would it harm the network if my node can server requests better due to
[15:39] <nextgens> that?
[15:39] <schmorp> (i guess fcp doesn't give me the ovwerload probability and % time connected?)
[15:39] <nextgens> how can it serve requests better ?
[15:39] <nextgens> keep in mind that backoff is local
[15:40] <nextgens> your node does backoff others
[15:40] <schmorp> because it doesn't waste bandwidth
[15:40] <nextgens> not the contrary
[15:40] <nextgens> it's not a waste for the other side
[15:40] <schmorp> its a waste for me, yes
[15:40] <nextgens> hence your reasonning is stupid
[15:40] <nextgens> and selfish
[15:40] <schmorp> reasoning itself can never be selfish
[15:40] <schmorp> i could be selfish, if you mean tthat
[15:41] <schmorp> in any case, why would i locally back off just two specific nodes?
[15:41] <schmorp> what you say crontradicts the wiki and what others told me
[15:41] <schmorp> so i think you claiming its selfish is pretty stupid
[15:41] <schmorp> because, well, you have no idea
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[15:41] <nextgens> probably :)
[15:41] <schmorp> you already showed that you don't know specifics when you wrongly claimed my node would send icmp rejects
[15:42] <schmorp> which it doesn't...
[15:42] <nextgens> I suggest you check out who wrote that part of the FAQ though ;)
[15:42] <schmorp> it doesn't matter who wrote it
[15:42] <schmorp> it might still be right, or wrong
[15:42] <nextgens> iirc I did
[15:43] <schmorp> i hope you researched it better than some of the stuff you claime dhere...
[15:43] <schmorp> in any case, thats not really productive behaviour when i inquire about soemthing that most likely is a bug in freenet
[15:43] <schmorp> cu
[15:43] <schmorp> and thanks for your help, everybody
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[15:44] <Caco_Patane> que prepotente...
[15:44] * nextgens has acknowledged the bug and tried to educate him
[15:45] <nextgens> what else should I have done ?
[15:48] <Caco_Patane> if he want to remove it... you warn it and recoment what is better for the network
[15:49] <nextgens> but he is right about that, there is indeed still a bug
[15:50] * nextgens isn't motivated to fix it now though
[15:50] <Caco_Patane> bug about removing the peer from the darknet page on fproxy?
[15:50] <Caco_Patane> or about sending packets?
[15:51] <nextgens> about the bug on fproxy
[15:51] <nextgens> about sending packets we were on a missunderstanding
[15:51] * nextgens understood he had disabled some peers
[15:54] <nextgens> Sleepycat has been bought by Oracle
[15:54] <nextgens> http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/berkeley-db/je/update/3.1.0/relnote.3.1.0.html
[15:55] <nextgens> http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/berkeley-db/je/update/3.1.0/if.3.1.0.html
[15:55] <nextgens> toad_> I think we should update it
[15:55] <Zothar> schmorp: it doesn't yet give overload probability or % time routable probably; I'm doing some hacking on FCP stuff ATM...
[15:55] <Zothar> maybe I'll add peer stuff too
[15:56] <Zothar> ...in this round
[15:56] <nextgens> "Invalidate the Environment when an Error such as java.lang.OutOfMemoryError is thrown during database operations, so that RunRecoveryException will be thrown if further operations are attempted. [#14300]"
[15:57] <nextgens> hmm
[15:57] <nextgens> there might be complications :w<
[15:57] <Caco_Patane> Zothar, include store info too
[15:57] <Caco_Patane> and all that fancy stats =D
[15:57] <nextgens> http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/berkeley-db/je/update/3.1.0/if.3.1.0.html#workaround
[15:57] <Zothar> Caco_Patane: I'm pretty much adding in all node-level stuff from /darknet/ and /stats/
[15:57] <Caco_Patane> great
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[16:29] <CIA-14> zothar * r10807 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Added more node stats to FCP and renamed networkSizeEstimateRecent.
[16:37] <NullAcht15> My node is "in the process of starting up" again. Has been since Thursday around noon....
[16:37] <NullAcht15> (Central European Time)
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[17:29] <toad_> nextgens: w.r.t. memory usage, why is the windows updater still breaking the config file for many people?
[17:29] <toad_> nextgens: are you sure there isn't a bug in the updater script?
[17:30] <nextgens> I'm not sure, but I'm quite confident there isn't
[17:30] <toad_> nextgens: re memory usage... the node works a lot better with 192M, especially if it has queued requests; and see the first bug
[17:30] <nextgens> hmm
[17:30] <nextgens> I'm inserting a >400M file
[17:30] <nextgens> atm
[17:30] <toad_> nextgens: yes, you can add raw html under "%"; i'm curious as to why you'd want to though
[17:30] <nextgens> and my node fits in 100M
[17:30] <nextgens> toad_> see my latest commit :)
[17:31] <nextgens> I've implemented the "test your browser" toadlet
[17:31] <nextgens> well it's a begin
[17:31] <nextgens> it testes JS and the number of parallel connections to fproxy
[17:33] <toad_> <Caco_Patane> NODE: volatile.backedoffPercent=0.20687948065355433
[17:33] <toad_> shouldn't it be backedOffPercent ?
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[17:36] <toad_> why does removing the peer not work then?
[17:37] <nextgens> it should be done in two times
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[17:37] <nextgens> the guy has set me up, hence I haven't fixed it yet
[17:38] <toad_> not sending ICMP rejects is pretty antisocial ...
[17:38] <toad_> but if there is a bug in peer removal it needs to be fixed
[17:38] <nextgens> there is a bug
[17:38] <nextgens> I thought it was fixed, but it obviously isn't
[17:38] <toad_> nextgens: have you filed a bug for not being able to remove peers?
[17:38] <nextgens> btw, removing a peers "because it's backed off most of the time" is even more anti-social
[17:39] <nextgens> no, I was willing to fix it
[17:39] <nextgens> iirc there is already one anyway
[17:39] <toad_> nextgens: should we update bdb?
[17:39] <nextgens> I think we should yes
[17:39] <nextgens> but that won't be painless :/
[17:39] <toad_> nextgens: hmmm
[17:40] <nextgens> as there is a :@ bug the migration might not be trivial
[17:40] <nextgens> and might not work everywhere
[17:40] <toad_> nextgens: does it GC constantly? do you think there is a leak? a lot of people see their node behaving better after increasing the max memory
[17:40] <nextgens> now that I know where the onion-sources are, I'll fix the FEC problem on amd64 as well
[17:41] <nextgens> but unfortunatly, next week are my mid-term exams
[17:41] <toad_> nextgens: well, if it's backed off, it might be spamming the node with requests?
[17:41] * nextgens doesn't think so
[17:41] <nextgens> you node is backed off on my side most of the time
[17:41] <toad_> hmmm
[17:42] <toad_> so i need to fix the can't-remove-peer bug
[17:42] <nextgens> whereas I doubt you've got a symetrical 40Mb/s line on your side
[17:42] <toad_> no :(
[17:42] <nextgens> nor an SMP system to run the node on ;)
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[17:42] <toad_> not yet no
[17:42] <toad_> one day i'll get dual-core :)
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[17:43] <toad_> hi Bombe
[17:43] <nextgens> whereas I do
[17:43] <toad_> mrogers has started implementing token passing in his simulations
[17:43] <nextgens> toad_> the easiest way to fix that remove-bug is to do in in two steps
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[17:44] <nextgens> ie: send a redirect to somewhere else
[17:44] <toad_> we do it in two steps already
[17:44] <nextgens> unless you figure out how to do something smart
[17:44] <toad_> we have a confirmation page
[17:44] <nextgens> no
[17:44] <nextgens> not if the time is elapsed
[17:44] <nextgens> btw, it works if the time is elapsed
[17:45] <nextgens> maybe we should always display the confirmation
[17:45] <toad_> hmm?
[17:45] <rah> there seems to be a problem with the 0.7 installer
[17:45] <nextgens> whether the time is over or not
[17:45] <nextgens> that would simplify the code
[17:45] <rah> Caused by: java.awt.HeadlessException:
[17:45] <rah> No X11 DISPLAY variable was set, but this program performed an operation which requires it.
[17:45] <nextgens> rah> go ahead
[17:45] <toad_> rah: are you running it in X?
[17:45] <_ph00> I'm getting low out/in put rates (around 10K), on a 10Mbit u/d connection, with 600K max allowed. I have ~15 connected peers at any time. I wonder, should I get more peers to make it use more bandwidth? (my goal is to let freenet actually use ~100KB/s)
[17:46] <rah> toad_: I'm running it on a headless server
[17:46] <nextgens> rah> use the tarball then :)
[17:46] <nextgens> tar xzvf tarball.tgz
[17:46] <nextgens> ./bin/1run.sh
[17:46] <rah> nextgens: the webpage doesn't mention a tarball for headless installations
[17:46] <nextgens> ./run.sh start
[17:46] <rah> what is "the tarball"?
[17:46] <nextgens> my bad then :)
[17:46] <nextgens> http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/installer/freenet07.tar.gz
[17:47] <nextgens> feel free to send us a patch to fix the webpage :)
[17:47] <rah> I'm not the best person to document the installation routine
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[17:48] <nextgens> developers aren't either
[17:48] <nextgens> most of the time users don't understand what they mean
[17:48] <rah> erm
[17:48] <nextgens> :)
[17:48] <rah> mmm
[17:49] <rah> that's a generalisation, and hence inherently false
[17:49] <nextgens> maybe
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[17:49] <nextgens> generalisations aren't always false though ... they are at least to some extend true
[17:50] <nextgens> toad_> as I'm not going to have much time to spare on freenet in the comming weeks, I'm reluctant to do wrapper/FECfix/BDB update
[17:50] <rah> how do I configure the node?
[17:51] <nextgens> toad_> the current freenet-ext should work for almost anyone ... I'll get back to it and improve it later
[17:51] <nextgens> rah> using the webinterface when started
[17:51] <rah> mmm
[17:52] <nextgens> toad_> I'm fearing that if I release something in a hurry this WE, I won't be able to fix potential bugs/ not provide support until I'm less busy
[17:52] <rah> freenet@teasel:~$ ./run.sh --help
[17:52] <rah> Usage: ./run.sh { console | start | stop | restart | status | dump }
[17:52] <rah> what do the different options do?
[17:52] <rah> specifically, what does "console" do?
[17:53] <nextgens> it starts the node in interractive mode
[17:53] <nextgens> ie: it doesn't daemonize it
[17:53] <rah> I see
[17:54] <nextgens> bbiab
[17:54] <rah> Connecting to 127.0.0.1:8888... failed: Connection refused.
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[17:54] <rah> STATUS | wrapper | 2006/11/03 17:53:34 | --> Wrapper Started as Daemon
[17:54] <rah> STATUS | wrapper | 2006/11/03 17:53:34 | Launching a JVM...
[17:54] <rah> INFO | jvm 1 | 2006/11/03 17:53:34 | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: freenet/node/NodeStarter
[17:54] <rah> hmmm
[17:55] <_ph00> is there a way to see how much data is a peer requesting/sending thru my node?
[17:56] <nextgens> rah> I told you : run ./bin/1run.sh first
[17:56] <rah> ah
[17:56] <nextgens> to set the node up
[17:56] <toad_> nextgens: does it test MIME type?
[17:56] <rah> I thought that was a typo
[17:57] <toad_> nextgens: i thought your exams were over after next week?
[17:57] <nextgens> toad_> where ?
[17:57] <nextgens> they should be over
[17:57] <nextgens> if I'm good enough
[17:57] <toad_> nextgens: does the browser test toadlet test MIME functionality?
[17:57] <nextgens> but I'm not sure I'll be up to
[17:57] <toad_> MIME autodetection
[17:57] <nextgens> not yet
[17:57] * nextgens wonders how that can be implemented
[17:58] <nextgens> anyway, bbiab
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[17:58] <toad_> easy, inline an image
[17:58] <toad_> if the image loads, the browser sucks
[17:58] <toad_> (the page is text/plain)
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[18:02] <_ph00> how do I make freenet actually use the badwidth I want to give it?
[18:02] <rah> freenet@teasel:~$ sh ./bin/1run.sh
[18:02] <rah> Installing freenet in
[18:02] <rah> Detecting tcp-ports availability...
[18:02] <rah> Downloading freenet-stable-latest.jar
[18:02] <rah> freenet@teasel:~$ ./run.sh start
[18:02] <rah> Starting Freenet 0.7...
[18:02] <rah> STATUS | wrapper | 2006/11/03 18:02:24 | Launching a JVM...
[18:02] <rah> INFO | jvm 2 | 2006/11/03 18:02:24 | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: freenet/node/NodeStarter
[18:02] <rah> </flood>
[18:04] <Caco_Patane> <toad_> <Caco_Patane> NODE: volatile.backedoffPercent=0.20687948065355433
[18:04] <Caco_Patane> <toad_> shouldn't it be backedOffPercent ?
[18:04] <Caco_Patane> you mean the capital "O" letter?
[18:04] <toad_> yes
[18:04] <Caco_Patane> it must be send by FCP
[18:04] <Caco_Patane> Zothar, you're on that
[18:05] <toad_> yes
[18:08] <toad_> _ph00: the darknet page
[18:08] <toad_> rah: not good
[18:08] <toad_> hmmm
[18:09] <toad_> rah: how did you install?
[18:09] <rah> doing what nextgens said; untarring freenet0.7.tar.gz and running bin/1run.sh
[18:09] <toad_> hmmm
[18:09] <toad_> does freenet-stable-latest.jar exist?
[18:10] <_ph00> toad_; the darknet page, OK... and then?
[18:10] <rah> it does exist
[18:10] <toad_> _ph00: it includes in/out bytes
[18:10] <toad_> rah: is it nonzero bytes?
[18:10] <toad_> i mean how big is it?
[18:10] <_ph00> # Output Rate: 2.45 KiBps
[18:10] <_ph00> # Input Rate: 2.22 KiBp
[18:11] <rah> there's two issues here, firstly, the output of "java -jar bin/sha1test.jar freenet-stable-latest.jar "$DST"" is redirected to /dev/null
[18:11] <_ph00> I'm trying to make freenet use at least 100K: how do I do that?
[18:11] <rah> secondly, the variable "$DST" isn't checked
[18:11] <rah> freenet@teasel:~$ java -jar bin/sha1test.jar freenet-stable-latest.jar ""
[18:11] <rah> Fetching freenet-stable-latest.jar
[18:11] <rah> java.io.FileNotFoundException: /freenet-stable-latest.jar.sha1 (Permission denied)
[18:11] <toad_> _ph00: with great difficulty
[18:11] <_ph00> heh
[18:12] <toad_> _ph00: when mrogers has sorted out load limiting, then it will be possible
[18:12] <toad_> rah: care to submit a patch?
[18:12] <_ph00> ok, but what should I work on? more peers? more high-speed pers? both? neither? what?
[18:12] <rah> toad_: I thought I just did :)
[18:12] <toad_> rah: what do you want us to do with $DST ?
[18:12] <toad_> rah: you should email nextgens whatever changes you propose anyway, he understands all that stuff
[18:13] <rah> check its size for zeroness
[18:13] <toad_> it might take a few days for him to get around to it
[18:13] <rah> k
[18:16] <rah> what are each of STUN, librarian, thaw and jsite?
[18:17] <toad_> they're described in the installer...
[18:17] <Caco_Patane> rah, i think that the sha1test.jar will check if freenet-stable-latest.jar is correct or not
[18:17] <toad_> STUN = detect IP address by using a third party server
[18:17] <Caco_Patane> if it's zero, it isn't correct
[18:17] <toad_> librarian = librarian plugin (visit it)
[18:17] <toad_> on the plugins page
[18:17] <toad_> it's a simple search-an-index client
[18:17] <Caco_Patane> thaw is a download manager and jsite a Freesite insertion tool
[18:17] <rah> I don't have a running node
[18:17] <toad_> thaw = FUQID replacement; upload, download files; primitive index handling functionality
[18:18] <rah> this 1run.sh script has options for enabling them
[18:18] <toad_> jsite = FIW; freenet insertion wizard; tool to upload freesites
[18:18] <rah> I want to why I might enable them
[18:18] <rah> ok
[18:18] <rah> thanks
[18:18] <rah> what's the librarian plugin?
[18:19] <toad_> rah: simple search page, uses a pre-generated index file
[18:19] <toad_> full text search of spidered freenet sites
[18:19] <rah> ok
[18:19] <Caco_Patane> rah, keep it simple
[18:19] <rah> thanks
[18:19] <rah> Caco_Patane: keep what simple?
[18:19] <Caco_Patane> bring up the node and then we will guide you of what software you will need for what porpouse
[18:20] <Caco_Patane> (it can be installed later)
[18:20] <rah> Caco_Patane: keep what simple? :)
[18:20] <Caco_Patane> the instalation :P
[18:20] <Caco_Patane> simple = basic ?
[18:21] <rah> I'm not adding them
[18:21] <rah> I'm just running the installer
[18:21] <Caco_Patane> ok
[18:22] <rah> it doesn't actually have options to enable them; it just checks if they're there
[18:22] <rah> oh dear
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[18:22] <Caco_Patane> opps, sorry, never tried the tarball install
[18:22] <rah> the installation script for headless installations is requiring a head
[18:22] <rah> Starting up a browser
[18:22] <rah> Exception in thread "main" java.awt.HeadlessException:
[18:23] <toad_> that's fine
[18:23] <toad_> the script is run on non-headless installs too
[18:24] <rah> INFO | jvm 1 | 2006/11/03 18:21:55 | Error in WrapperListener.start callback. java.lang.NumberFormatException: For input string: "2323;2323;2323;2323"
[18:24] <rah> INFO | jvm 1 | 2006/11/03 18:21:55 | java.lang.NumberFormatException: For input string: "2323;2323;2323;2323"
[18:24] <rah> interesting
[18:24] <toad_> stack trace?
[18:25] <rah> INFO | jvm 1 | 2006/11/03 18:21:55 | FNP port is on 0.0.0.0:26600
[18:25] <rah> INFO | jvm 1 | 2006/11/03 18:21:55 | Error in WrapperListener.start callback. java.lang.NumberFormatException: For input string: "2323;2323;2323;2323"
[18:25] <rah> INFO | jvm 1 | 2006/11/03 18:21:55 | java.lang.NumberFormatException: For input string: "2323;2323;2323;2323"
[18:25] <rah> INFO | jvm 1 | 2006/11/03 18:21:55 | at sun.misc.FloatingDecimal.readJavaFormatString(FloatingDecimal.java:1224)
[18:25] <rah> INFO | jvm 1 | 2006/11/03 18:21:55 | at java.lang.Double.parseDouble(Double.java:482)
[18:25] <rah> INFO | jvm 1 | 2006/11/03 18:21:55 | at freenet.support.Fields.parseInt(Fields.java:575)
[18:25] <rah> INFO | jvm 1 | 2006/11/03 18:21:55 | at freenet.config.IntOption.setInitialValue(IntOption.java:56)
[18:25] <rah> INFO | jvm 1 | 2006/11/03 18:21:55 | at freenet.config.FilePersistentConfig.onRegister(FilePersistentConfig.java:202)
[18:25] <rah> INFO | jvm 1 | 2006/11/03 18:21:55 | at freenet.config.SubConfig.register(SubConfig.java:52)
[18:26] <rah> INFO | jvm 1 | 2006/11/03 18:21:55 | at freenet.config.SubConfig.register(SubConfig.java:57)
[18:26] <rah> INFO | jvm 1 | 2006/11/03 18:21:55 | at freenet.node.TextModeClientInterfaceServer.maybeCreate(TextModeClientInterfaceServer.java:67)
[18:26] <rah> INFO | jvm 1 | 2006/11/03 18:21:55 | at freenet.node.NodeClientCore.start(NodeClientCore.java:203)
[18:26] <toad_> rah: http://code.bulix.org/ :)
[18:26] <rah> INFO | jvm 1 | 2006/11/03 18:21:55 | at freenet.node.Node.start(Node.java:1406)
[18:26] <rah> INFO | jvm 1 | 2006/11/03 18:21:55 | at freenet.node.NodeStarter.start(NodeStarter.java:154)
[18:26] <rah> INFO | jvm 1 | 2006/11/03 18:21:55 | at org.tanukisoftware.wrapper.WrapperManager$12.run(WrapperManager.java:3082)
[18:26] <rah> INFO | jvm 1 | 2006/11/03 18:21:56 | Closing database due to shutdown.
[18:26] <rah> </flood>
[18:26] <rah> pfft
[18:26] <rah> paste bins are for terminal weenies :)
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[18:27] <rah> >:|
[18:27] <toad_> :)
[18:27] <rah> grr
[18:27] <Caco_Patane> 2323;2323;2323;2323 ???
[18:27] <toad_> :))
[18:27] <rah> mmm
[18:27] <Caco_Patane> do you have something like that in your config file?
[18:28] <Caco_Patane> maybe it was bad generated
[18:28] <toad_> rah: your config file would be interesting
[18:28] <rah> ah
[18:28] <rah> there would appear to be four copies of the same information
[18:28] <rah> the 1run.sh can't cope with being run more than once
[18:30] <toad_> well it's still a bug
[18:30] <toad_> does running it each time add another one?
[18:30] <rah> obviously it does
[18:31] <rah> how do I configure where freenet stores its data?
[18:31] <rah> there doesn't seem to be anything in the "web configuration"
[18:33] <Caco_Patane> in the Configuration page of the web interface (fproxy)
[18:33] <Caco_Patane> you have a field named "Store directory"
[18:34] <Caco_Patane> default is .
[18:34] <Caco_Patane> store-<port#>/
[18:35] <rah> I don't have a field named "Store directory"
[18:35] <toad_> enable advanced darknet
[18:38] <rah> surely that should be "advanced configuration"?
[18:38] <toad_> yes it should
[18:38] <Caco_Patane> it shows you additional statics too
[18:38] <Caco_Patane> in the beggining was only for developers
[18:39] <Caco_Patane> i think that the title was... mmm... "heredado" (iheritance?)
[18:39] <rah> can I put more than one IP address for the fproxy bind?
[18:39] <Caco_Patane> yes, you can
[18:39] <Caco_Patane> masks too
[18:40] <Caco_Patane> gheift: fproxy.allowedHosts=127.0.0.1,0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1,192.168.0.0/24
[18:40] <rah> that's allowed hosts, not port binding
[18:41] <rah> there's a setting that says "IP address to bind to"
[18:41] <rah> then there's another one that says "Allowed hosts"
[18:41] <rah> I'm talking about the former
[18:41] <rah> I think you're talking about the latter
[18:42] <gheift> Caco_Patane: What do you mean?
[18:42] <Caco_Patane> sorry, i mean: 'ie'
[18:42] <Caco_Patane> (for example, don't know why BitchX complete with your nick!)
[18:42] <gheift> k
[18:43] <Caco_Patane> oh, ok rah
[18:43] <Caco_Patane> fproxy.bindTo=127.0.0.1,192.168.0.16
[18:43] <rah> toad_: can I put more than one IP address for the fproxy bind?
[18:43] <Caco_Patane> yes you can
[18:43] <rah> Caco_Patane: thank you
[18:43] <Caco_Patane> (examples are from my current config file)
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[19:06] <rah> hmm
[19:06] <rah> I don't seem to be able to bind fcp to more than one port
[19:06] <rah> is this right?
[19:07] <rah> nor fproxy
[19:07] <rah> at least, through the web configuration
[19:07] <toad_> you can bind to multiple ip addresses but not multiple ports
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[19:08] <grout> is there a way to hide the tray icon for Fuqid?
[19:10] <toad_> use Thaw? :)
[19:11] <Caco_Patane> hahaha :)
[19:11] <_ph00> heh
[19:11] <_ph00> I was thinking something like that
[19:11] <toad_> i'm glad i made somebody happy
[19:12] <_ph00> anyways I'm using fproxy for upload-downloads and it's working fine
[19:12] <grout> haha, awrit guys
[19:12] <grout> fproxy? thru firefox?
[19:12] <_ph00> (but I don't know yet how to make it fetch multiple files, like thaw)
[19:13] <Caco_Patane> to upload is right
[19:13] <_ph00> thru firefox, opera, or konqueror... even IE would work
[19:13] <Caco_Patane> but to put lists of files to download, i boot thawn
[19:13] <_ph00> right
[19:13] <_ph00> multiple files = thaw
[19:14] <CIA-14> toad * r10808 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/DarknetConnectionsToadlet.java: Set encoding-type. Fixes can't-remove-peers-after-confirm.
[19:15] <grout> where can i get Thaw besides on freenet?
[19:15] <_ph00> you should have it already
[19:15] <_ph00> check your freenet dir
[19:16] <grout> hah! righto
[19:16] <_ph00> righto?
[19:16] <_ph00> are you italian?
[19:16] <_ph00> :P
[19:17] <grout> nopey
[19:17] <_ph00> where is .sg btw?
[19:17] <_ph00> st.Gaul?
[19:17] <grout> google, whoahahaha
[19:17] <_ph00> sg = see Google?
[19:17] <grout> hmhm.. ph00 wat happened to ur ip?
[19:18] <_ph00> south georgia?
[19:18] <_ph00> I have a cloak
[19:18] <_ph00> you can get one too, just ask a staffer
[19:18] <_ph00> but, that doesn't make you anonymous, anyway
[19:18] <_ph00> only somewhat less easy to track down
[19:19] <grout> did smth wrong with xp, shutting down!!....
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[19:19] <_ph00> the wrong thing was running it in the first place....
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[19:20] <_ph00> (as I never get tired saying...)
[19:20] <_ph00> windows is good for gaming. for anything else, you want unix-based OS's
[19:21] <rah> Nov 03, 2006 19:20:57:056 (freenet.node.NodeClientCore, freenet.clients.http.SimpleToadletServer$SocketHandler@73a7ab, NORMAL): Trying to write config to disk
[19:21] <rah> java.lang.Exception: debug
[19:21] <rah> at freenet.node.NodeClientCore.storeConfig(NodeClientCore.java:747)
[19:21] <rah> :/
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[19:23] <toad_> [19:14] <Caco_Patane> but to put lists of files to download, i boot thawn
[19:23] <toad_> [19:14] <_ph00> right
[19:23] <toad_> [19:14] <_ph00> multiple files = thaw
[19:23] <toad_> interesting
[19:23] <toad_> we have a bug for multiple-file submission...
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[19:24] <Caco_Patane> OMG
[19:25] <rah> Nov 03, 2006 19:25:37:036 (freenet.io.NetworkInterface$Acceptor, Network Interface Acceptor, NORMAL): Denied connection to /172.18.111.2
[19:25] <rah> fproxy.allowedHosts=127.0.0.1,0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1,178.18.0.0/16
[19:25] <rah> something wrong here..
[19:25] <rah> typo :/
[19:25] <rah> nm
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[19:27] <_ph00> toad_; multiple files = thaw meant that *I* use thaw for multiple files, because I'm too lazy to fecth one at the time thru fproxy
[19:27] <grout> so how do i run Thaw in my directory. i dbl-clicked and it didnt run
[19:27] <toad_> right
[19:27] <_ph00> for "fetching" multiple files, that is
[19:27] <toad_> but if we provided a box to start multiple fetches you could be even more lazy
[19:28] <_ph00> hm.. what's the windows equivalent of 'java -jar'?
[19:28] <_ph00> I mean, grout: on linux, you run 'java -jar Thaw.jar'. I don't know what the windows equivalent would be
[19:29] <toad_> _ph00: double-click? java -jar ?
[19:29] <grout> ah, done it. i copied a bat file
[19:29] <grout> :)
[19:29] <toad_> _ph00: either double click it, or open a console and just type the command
[19:29] <grout> thanks guys
[19:29] <_ph00> toad_; it's grout: he said he tried double clicking and it didn't work...
[19:29] <toad_> then open a console
[19:30] <_ph00> what would the line be? same as on linux?
[19:30] <grout> yep
[19:30] <_ph00> (good to know, for the next time someone asks)
[19:30] <grout> javaw or java -jar
[19:31] <rah> Your configuration changes were applied with the following exceptions:
[19:31] <rah> storeDir freenet.config.InvalidConfigValueException: Moving datastore on the fly not supported at present
[19:31] <rah> Caco_Patane: you lie
[19:32] <_ph00> IIRC, typing that line in a text file and saving it as foo.bat should create a double-clickable one-line script. Would that work?
[19:32] <rah> how do I configure where freenet stores its data?
[19:32] <_ph00> config page?
[19:32] <toad_> rah: you have to put it in the config file manually
[19:32] <toad_> sorry
[19:32] <toad_> too many bugs, too little time :|
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[19:33] <rah> toad_: is the configuration file format documented?
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[19:34] <toad_> not well
[19:34] <toad_> it's not really intended to be edited by humans
[19:34] <Caco_Patane> rah, sorry i'm trying to help
[19:34] <toad_> but the section name ("node") then a dot, then the sub-name ("storeDir") ...
[19:34] <toad_> node.storeDir=<some directory>
[19:34] <Caco_Patane> can you file a bug on that?
[19:34] <_ph00> I think that if you want your store to be in a particular place (dedicated partition or whatever) you should install freenet there, and keep the defaults for the store dir. My node runs just as fine off my installed distro or off a live cd
[19:34] <toad_> do it while the node is shut down obviously
[19:34] <_ph00> btw
[19:34] <_ph00> is there any way to make it work under windows too?
[19:35] <rah> what about the rest of these foo-2891729327203728382 directories?
[19:35] <rah> what are their key names?
[19:35] <nextgens> rah> I think it's a permission problem : tried chown ?
[19:36] <_ph00> the node is installed on a dedicated partition, and windows can read it (with ext2 drivers), I was looking for a way to make the node "run-able" under both winows and linux, so I could run it even while playing games
[19:36] <rah> nextgens: it isn't a permission problem; the script was trying to write to a file in the root directory due to DST being empty
[19:36] <nextgens> hmm, I know what the 2323;2323;2323 problem is
[19:37] <nextgens> yes, multiple instances
[19:37] <nextgens> maybe we should add a lock
[19:37] <_ph00> installing freenet under windows and then edit the config files to make it point at the existing install? would that work?
[19:37] <nextgens> or delete the file upon exec
[19:37] <rah> don't delete it
[19:37] <rah> it contains defaults
[19:38] <rah> _ph00: you want 2 computers
[19:38] <nextgens> rah> your exception is a debug one; nothing abnormal here
[19:39] <rah> nextgens: yeah, I realised that thanks
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[19:39] <nextgens> grout> it's javaw on windows otherwise you don't have swing
[19:40] <nextgens> rah> it should have used the current dir insteed
[19:40] <nextgens> hmm
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[19:41] <_ph00> rah; why 2 computers? I have one dual boot box, with freenet on its own partition, readable by both OS's. If I can make it work on windows too, good, if not, the node will stay down while I play games (not that much anyways, maybe one hour a day)
[19:42] <rah> _ph00: yes, but you want 2 computers :)
[19:42] <_ph00> I don't
[19:42] <rah> just because you conceptually can do something, doesn't mean you should
[19:42] <_ph00> why would I want 2 computers?
[19:42] <rah> and in this instance, you definitely shouldn't
[19:42] <Caco_Patane> i want a few computers
[19:42] <_ph00> why not
[19:43] <_ph00> heh
[19:43] <Caco_Patane> can sell them if i will not use them :P
[19:43] <rah> _ph00: it's Bad
[19:43] <_ph00> OK if you have computers to give away, I'll take some...
[19:43] <Caco_Patane> me too...
[19:43] <_ph00> why is it bad? God says so?
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[19:43] <rah> experience says so
[19:43] <_ph00> ok
[19:43] <rah> wisdom says so
[19:43] <_ph00> so
[19:43] <rah> talk to your local lug
[19:43] <_ph00> what experience?
[19:43] <CIA-14> toad * r10809 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/ (DarknetConnectionsToadlet.java HTTPRequest.java):
[19:43] <CIA-14> Make HTTPRequest submission-type-independant.
[19:43] <CIA-14> application/www-form-data and multipart/form-data will now BOTH produce Part's.
[19:43] <CIA-14> While any queries in the URI become Param's.
[19:43] <CIA-14> Hopefully this won't break anything...
[19:44] <rah> someone will probably have an old P400 lying around
[19:44] <_ph00> cia-14 should get kicked for flooding
[19:44] <toad_> rah: we have problems with time zones on one dual-boot machine
[19:44] <toad_> but i think that can be sorted
[19:44] <rah> and thus wisdom's correctness asserts itself :)
[19:44] <toad_> _ph00: it wasn't as long as the typical paste from certain other folk around here
[19:44] <_ph00> nah
[19:44] <_ph00> only joking
[19:45] <_ph00> and I'm the one who should get kicked out for spamming at least a couple of times a day...
[19:45] <_ph00> anyways
[19:46] <toad_> why does the node crash with unable-to-create-native-thread on Windows 2000 with ~ 255 threads when most systems seem to allow many more than that?
[19:47] <TheSeeker> sounds like it uses a 1 byte counter for threads... not many programs need that many threads really :P
[19:47] <toad_> well, it went to over 300 one time apparently
[19:48] <toad_> but both XP and linux seem to have no real problem with 800 threads
[19:49] <TheSeeker> I've got another P2P app running with several downloads going, *lots* of active sources... it is only using 6 threads.
[19:49] <_ph00> well, maybe I will try that win-lin thing and tell how it goes (after all, the worst that could happen is that I screw up my node again... maybe I want to back up some stuff this time)
[19:49] <TheSeeker> over 650 handles... but only 6 threads.
[19:50] <_ph00> what about the low bandwidth thing? how do I make freenet actually use more bandwidth? I set it very high (600K) in the config page, but the actual usage is still ~5K
[19:51] <_ph00> # Output Rate: 6.34 KiBps
[19:51] <_ph00> # Input Rate: 4.94 KiBps
[19:51] <CIA-14> nextgens * r10810 /trunk/apps/new_installer/res/unix/bin/1run.sh: new_installer: prevent 1run.sh from beeing executed more than once and add a workaround if not executed from the installer; Maybe I ought to add an interractive mode
[19:52] <Caco_Patane> _ph00
[19:52] <nextgens> toad_> it might be a restricted version of windows
[19:52] <Caco_Patane> that rates are average of current ones?
[19:53] <_ph00> Caco_Patane; those were the rates shown on the darknet page
[19:53] <_ph00> now
[19:54] <_ph00> # Output Rate: 15.2 KiBps
[19:54] <_ph00> # Input Rate: 13.2 KiBps
[19:54] <_ph00> still low. I want to give freenet ~100K actual usage
[19:55] <_ph00> btw, are those "big K"? I mean Kbit or Kbytes?
[19:55] <_ph00> I want to give freenet 100KBytes/s
[19:55] <_ph00> KiB => big B, should be bytes
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[19:56] <Zothar> toad_: perhaps there's a mixup with either me or the code, but shouldn't 933 not shrink anymore after it's started as 933 and not shrunk or are keys still still supposed to be causing something a shrink later, if the node's run for a bit?
[19:56] <Zothar> s/something//
[19:58] <Zothar> s/933/993/
[19:58] <Zothar> s/933/993/g
[19:58] <toad_> Zothar: yes
[19:58] <toad_> Zothar: it's in the queue of bugs to fix
[19:58] <Zothar> OK
[20:01] <CIA-14> zothar * r10811 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/ (9 files in 6 dirs): A couple variable/stat name changes: backedoff -> backedOff and missRouting -> routingMiss
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[20:16] <rah> how do I get a dynamic dns hostname into my ref, rather than an IP address?
[20:17] <Zothar> IP address override, which I believe requires you to turn on advanced darknet temporarily
[20:17] <rah> thanks
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[20:44] <_ph00> hjubal; I don't remember what your node is called: do we have each otehr as peers?
[20:45] <hjubal> hola _ph00, I going to check.. just arrived at home :)
[20:45] <_ph00> k
[20:50] <hjubal> _ph00, everything's ok
[20:50] <_ph00> k
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