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[7:49] <FireBird2003> hi
[7:49] <FireBird2003> the new version forgot the size of my downloads
[7:50] <FireBird2003> is a download still possible?
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[8:30] <FireBird2003> why freenet forgot the sizes?
[8:36] <sleon> FireBird2003: hmmm :| do not know . wait till toad comes. i am still using 991
[8:37] <FireBird2003> ok
[8:37] <FireBird2003> thx sleon
[8:39] <sleon> p
[8:40] <sleon> FireBird2003: you could even write an email to freenet-tech mailinglist
[8:40] <FireBird2003> ok
[8:40] <FireBird2003> thx again
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[8:51] <FireBird2003> one downloaad finished
[8:51] <FireBird2003> so downloads can be resumed even if the size is not determined
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[9:12] <sleon> nice to hear
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[9:15] <A1an> where to post my reference?
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[10:00] <CIA-14> nextgens * r10774 /trunk/apps/new_installer/ (Win_shortcutSpec.xml res/windows/bin/1run.cmd): new_installer: some not finished work towards fixing w32 specific issues
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[10:04] <tommy> How do I get my own noderef swap bot?
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[10:48] <sleon> tommy2: hi
[10:48] <sleon> tommy2: swapbot ? .oO
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[13:51] <hramrach> Hello
[13:52] <hramrach> Looks like the auto-update does not always work.
[13:53] <hramrach> My node was running 987 although there are versions > 990
[13:56] <Caco_Patane> hramrach, have you tried the update.sh's scripts?
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[13:59] <hramrach> yes, they work. But the auto-update did not.
[14:00] <hramrach> And I read somewhere that's the recommended update method.
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[14:16] <sich> toad_, ?
[14:16] <fasta> Exception in thread "freenet.clients.http.SimpleToadletServer$SocketHandler@16fac55" java.util.regex.PatternSyntaxException: Illegal repetition
[14:17] <fasta> Is this a known bug?
[14:19] <toad_> not a known bug
[14:19] <toad_> post the full stack trace (all the lines after beginning with " at") to code.bulix.org and post the url
[14:19] <toad_> sich: hi
[14:19] * toad_ gotta bbiab now
[14:20] <sich> hi toad_, I am working on a way to auto update a index, and I am looking for a meta balise who contain the category... Is any meta allowed for this ?
[14:21] <_ph00> the autoupdate worked. cool
[14:22] <fasta> _ph00: it does?
[14:22] <_ph00> it did for me
[14:22] <fasta> _ph00: From what version to what version?
[14:22] <_ph00> 991=>992
[14:23] <fasta> _ph00: I already implemented my own "auto update" using shell scripts, but it seems I can disable that now :)
[14:23] <_ph00> I saw in the darknet page that many were running 992 so I thought 'time to update', I looked at my ref, and I was on 992 already
[14:24] <NullAcht15> Does anyone here apart from myself have the problem that freenet sometimes takes several hours to start up?
[14:24] <fasta> toad_: Stack trace: http://code.bulix.org/sed97n-22074
[14:24] <fasta> NullAcht15: I do not
[14:24] <_ph00> me neither
[14:24] <greycat> only takes a couple minutes for me
[14:25] <_ph00> takes a bunch of seconds for me
[14:25] <NullAcht15> used to for me, too, but lately it's been taking 24 hours and more....
[14:25] <NullAcht15> (not a typo)
[14:25] <_ph00> sometimes a minute or two before I can access fproxy, but most often < 1min
[14:25] <_ph00> 24?!?
[14:25] <_ph00> woah
[14:26] <fasta> Well, it does appear that my Freenet node is death.
[14:26] <greycat> there's a fearsome amount of disk grinding at startup... maybe your disk's not healthy?
[14:26] <fasta> er is dead
[14:27] <NullAcht15> greycat: I could try running some benchmarks... but nothing else on that server is pointing to any problems. Everything else is running at normal speed...
[14:27] <fasta> Java is running, but http://localhost:8888 doesn't give a response.
[14:28] <greycat> did it do so previously?
[14:28] <NullAcht15> fasta: could you take a look in wrapper.log?
[14:28] <NullAcht15> At the end of the file?
[14:28] <fasta> NullAcht15: I think I already posted the stack trace, but I will look again to see whether it's different.
[14:29] <_ph00> Caco_Patane; you have mail
[14:29] <fasta> NullAcht15: same problem
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[14:32] <NullAcht15> well, the hd seems to be perfectly fine. hdparm -t reports 12 MB/sec reading speed (on a busy system)
[14:33] <fasta> NullAcht15: something you could always do is grabbing the source and insert debug statements or use some other fancy Java debugging method of which I have no knowledge.
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[14:33] <NullAcht15> what kind of store have you people configured for your nodes?
[14:34] <NullAcht15> er, store sizes
[14:34] <NullAcht15> (mine is 40G)
[14:35] <_ph00> mine 25G
[14:35] <_ph00> I would make it bigger but I don't have much disk space
[14:35] <fasta> NullAcht15: I think yours is relatively large then.
[14:35] <_ph00> look at this:
[14:35] <_ph00> # Output Rate: 7.46 KiBps
[14:35] <_ph00> # Input Rate: 11.1 KiBps
[14:36] <_ph00> why do I always get such lousy rates?
[14:36] <_ph00> I have a fairly fast connection
[14:36] <fasta> _ph00: maybe nobody is requesting data?
[14:36] <_ph00> and I set th max speed to 400K
[14:36] <greycat> data moves at the speed of your peers
[14:36] <fasta> _ph00: maybe your nodes are overloaded?
[14:37] <_ph00> 12 connected peers, and no one requesting anything?
[14:37] <fasta> _ph00: your neighbor's nodes
[14:37] <NullAcht15> I thought that one of the reasons for the startup problems might be that my store is so large, because in wrapper.log, I find lines like this 'INFO | jvm 7 | 2006/11/01 15:32:39 | Reading store prior to shrink: 36% ( 447488/1211282)' repeatded over and over when that happnes
[14:37] <_ph00> I *always* get lousy rares
[14:37] <fasta> _ph00: they are requesting something, just not that much.
[14:37] <_ph00> rates
[14:37] <fasta> _ph00: I occasionally have that my full connection is used.
[14:38] <_ph00> did you set the max badwidth as much as your full bandwidth?
[14:38] <NullAcht15> I cna confirm _ph00 s problems. I never saw my freenet node use a significant fraction of the allowed bw, inbound and outbound, even when it was working fine otherwise
[14:38] <_ph00> I have it at ~half that much
[14:39] <NullAcht15> I still believe there's a fundamental problem with load limiting
[14:39] <fasta> That's odd: When I visit localhost:8888 it says it can't connect, and when I visit localhost:8888/s it says the key is invalid.
[14:39] <fasta> It seems the "homepage" is broken in some way.
[14:39] <_ph00> maybe, to make it really use a couple of hundred K, I should set ity much higher...
[14:39] <fasta> Configuration tab also works.
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[14:40] <fasta> I think I am running 992 too now.
[14:40] <NullAcht15> You'd expect the thing to use more bw as you add more peers, but apparently, that isn't the case. (I've been logging and graphing the bw used by freenet with external tools for some time)
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[14:42] <fasta> toad_: In 992 I cannot visit the homepage of my node. I can visit all the other pages.
[14:43] <_ph00> well... I was thinking, mybe if my peers have lousy bandwidths, they obvously can't do more that that, so my bandwidth usage goes up only when some peer with a good bandwidth requests something. Solution: add more peers
[14:44] <fasta> _ph00: That would mean they are "overloaded".
[14:44] <_ph00> but if I have a fairly good banwidth but a lousy CPU, how many peers will I be able to add
[14:44] <fasta> _ph00: we had that discussion before.
[14:44] <_ph00> let's see the darknet page and look for ovwerloads
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[14:45] <_ph00> well
[14:45] <_ph00> looks like I may have a problem
[14:45] <fasta> heh
[14:46] <_ph00> 12 connected peers, 8 of them show "fatal timeout"
[14:46] <_ph00> is that a problem? what is a fatal timeout?
[14:47] <_ph00> a couple of them show ForwardRejectedOverload
[14:47] <fasta> _ph00: I never had that before, but I think an application should clearly explain what a "fatal timeout" is.
[14:47] <_ph00> and only ONE shows "accepted timeout"
[14:47] <fasta> _ph00: ForwardRejectedOverload, means that their peers are overloaded
[14:47] <_ph00> only two of them
[14:47] <_ph00> have reject overload
[14:48] <_ph00> the problem seems to be thios 'fatal timeout' thing
[14:48] <fasta> _ph00: well, I don't know that for sure, but I can't think of another reasonable explanation.
[14:48] <fasta> _ph00: the easiest to look at is the overload probability
[14:49] <_ph00> very very low
[14:49] <_ph00> only the peers with ForwardRejectedOverload has 31% all the other ones have ~1
[14:49] <_ph00> %
[14:50] <_ph00> most of them under 1%
[14:51] <fasta> _ph00: look in src/freenet/node/RequestSender.java
[14:52] <_ph00> src/freenet = /path/to/freenet?
[14:52] <fasta> _ph00: it's the only file mentioning Fatal Timeout
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[14:53] <_ph00> I don't even have a /freenet/node dir...
[14:54] <fasta> _ph00: no, it's the source code.
[14:55] <fasta> _ph00: you can do a svn checkout
[14:55] <_ph00> ...and how exactly do I do that?
[14:55] <_ph00> (never did anything like that before)
[14:56] <fasta> _ph00: ok, one moment
[14:57] <fasta> _ph00: svn co https://emu.freenetproject.org/svn/trunk/freenet/
[14:57] <fasta> _ph00: assuming you have svn installed.
[14:57] <_ph00> gonna chek
[14:57] <_ph00> check
[14:58] <_ph00> nope
[14:58] <_ph00> gonna install it
[15:02] <_ph00> installed & running
[15:03] <_ph00> now, it downloaded everythiong to /home/<user>/Freenet: should I copy the content of that dir to my freenet dir and overwrite?
[15:04] <_ph00> stop the node, copy&overwrite, start?
[15:04] <Caco_Patane> oh oh oh
[15:04] <Caco_Patane> sorry, what are you trying to do _ph00 ?
[15:05] <_ph00> I don't really know, ask fasta :P
[15:05] <Caco_Patane> hahaha
[15:05] <_ph00> what I'm trying to do is
[15:05] <_ph00> svn co https://emu.freenetproject.org/svn/trunk/freenet/
[15:05] <Caco_Patane> do you want to compile your own version of freenet?
[15:05] <Caco_Patane> that will create you a working copy of the source code repository
[15:06] <_ph00> I only said that I was getting lousy speeds
[15:06] <_ph00> it did
[15:06] <_ph00> now my question was: as it downloaded to the "wrong" dir, should I move everytrhing to my freenet dir?
[15:06] <_ph00> but then again: what am I doing exactly?
[15:06] <Caco_Patane> no
[15:07] <fasta> _ph00: Ok, back
[15:07] <Caco_Patane> don't move that anywhere
[15:07] <_ph00> k
[15:07] <_ph00> Caco_Patane; did you add me?
[15:07] <Caco_Patane> your freenet installation have nothing to do with that
[15:07] <_ph00> I still see you as 'never connected'
[15:07] <_ph00> ah ok
[15:07] <Caco_Patane> _ph00 i was trying
[15:07] <_ph00> and? you cant?
[15:07] <Caco_Patane> i give you my ref yesterday night?
[15:07] <_ph00> yes
[15:07] <Caco_Patane> but didn't have yours
[15:08] <Caco_Patane> privamemesage it to me
[15:08] <_ph00> I posted it in a pvt message less than onje hour ago
[15:08] <fasta> _ph00: svn co <someaddress>/<somedir> will default be put in the currentdir/<somedir>
[15:08] <_ph00> ok
[15:08] <Caco_Patane> oh, sorry, did'nt get it =D
[15:08] <Caco_Patane> fasta, what is the meaning of all this?
[15:09] <fasta> Caco_Patane: He wanted to know what Fatal Timeout was.
[15:09] <fasta> Caco_Patane: I pointed him to the source code.
[15:09] <fasta> Caco_Patane: he didn't have the source code
[15:09] <Caco_Patane> he can browse it on emu
[15:09] <fasta> Caco_Patane: right, I forgot.
[15:09] <_ph00> send me a pvt msg, and I'll answer to you (as it look like you won't see myu pvt messages if I send the first one...)
[15:09] <fasta> _ph00: you need to register for that to work on freenode
[15:10] <_ph00> ok
[15:10] <fasta> _ph00: can you visit your homepage?
[15:11] <Caco_Patane> jajaja
[15:11] <Caco_Patane> aca es una expresion muy comun para referirse a las personas
[15:11] <_ph00> fasta my home page?
[15:11] <Caco_Patane> sin usar ningun nombre en particular
[15:11] <Caco_Patane> (sorry, wrong window)
[15:11] <fasta> _ph00: localhost:8888
[15:11] <_ph00> I can get there, yes
[15:12] <_ph00> (the fproxy home page)
[15:14] <fasta> _ph00: ok, well, I can't.
[15:14] <fasta> I find the source code to be hard to understand for security oriented software.
[15:15] <fasta> _Every_ method should be documented, while it currently isn't.
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[16:12] <Beta_M> hello, kind people, i'm a bit confused regarding FCP2, if i ClientPut with UploadFrom=direct where exactly do i put the data withing the message?
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[16:26] <MineHaunter> Beta_M: from FreenetWiki: EndMessage: Indicates the end of the message. If UploadFrom is direct, then the data follows this line. (Immediately after the newline).
[16:27] <Beta_M> thanks, MineHaunter
[16:27] <MineHaunter> so you send actual data after completing the message with an EndMessage
[16:27] <TwisterTFK> http://dark-code.bulix.org/1j7ctp-22087?raw
[16:27] <MineHaunter> np :)
[16:27] <Beta_M> and the datalength is the size in bytes/characters/gigabytes?
[16:28] <MineHaunter> it's the data size in bytes
[16:28] <Beta_M> ok, great
[16:28] <Beta_M> i'm on a roll
[16:28] <Beta_M> q;-)
[16:28] <MineHaunter> :)
[16:29] <Beta_M> TwisterTFK: try #freenet-refs
[16:30] <TwisterTFK> ok but can i not here too ?
[16:31] <Beta_M> you can even on #anime if you want... but there ppl will actually trade with you
[16:31] <Beta_M> q;-)
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[16:33] <TwisterTFK> gives more channels to change refs
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[17:11] <_ph00> # Output Rate: 3.00 KiBps
[17:11] <_ph00> # Input Rate: 3.38 KiBps
[17:11] <_ph00> :(
[17:11] <CIA-14> mrogers * r10775 /trunk/apps/load-balancing-sims/phase7/sim/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Refactored interleaving, coalescing, congestion control and bandwidth limiter
[17:11] <_ph00> I never get more than ~10KiB/s
[17:13] <CIA-14> mrogers * r10776 /trunk/apps/load-balancing-sims/phase7/sim/Peer.java: Refactored interleaving, coalescing, congestion control and bandwidth limiter
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[17:22] <OctobersDark> is this good? 'networkSizeEstimateSession: 393 nodes"
[17:25] <Griffon26> depends on your uptime
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[17:26] <OctobersDark> my nodeUptime: 15h24m
[17:27] <_ph00> kinda average, looks like
[17:27] <_ph00> # networkSizeEstimateSession: 387 nodes
[17:27] <_ph00> # nodeUptime: 15h21m
[17:27] <Griffon26> nice =]
[17:28] <_ph00> looks like the network *is* growin.
[17:28] <OctobersDark> nice? nice is good then
[17:28] <_ph00> and my node is learning where other nodes are too, probably
[17:28] <OctobersDark> I found a frost post stating higher numbers, I was curious
[17:29] <toad_> hmmm
[17:29] <toad_> did auto-update work for anyone? it didn't work for hramrach ...
[17:29] <_ph00> OctobersDark; I don't know extacly how good, but we have the same uptaime and very close NetworkEstimates
[17:29] <toad_> sich: no idea re metadata; i think there's an unofficial standard for comments or description.txt
[17:29] <_ph00> toad_; it did work for me
[17:29] <OctobersDark> true _ph00
[17:30] <OctobersDark> what are we supposed to be on
[17:30] <Griffon26> OctobersDark: when I said "nice" I meant how relevant his stats were. They were very close to yours.
[17:30] <OctobersDark> Freenet 0.7 Build #992 r10769M
[17:30] <OctobersDark> I notived that too Griffon26
[17:30] <_ph00> my problem is that I get low transfer rates
[17:31] <_ph00> tho I have `12 connected peers, a fairly fast connection, and my max bandwidth is set to 400K up/down
[17:32] <_ph00> 14 connected right now
[17:32] * OctobersDark has (20/0/0/0/34) Darknet Peers
[17:32] <_ph00> do I need more peers? Or do I need to get some peers with fast connections? both? neither? what?
[17:33] <toad_> <NullAcht15> I still believe there's a fundamental problem with load limiting ---------- me too!
[17:33] <_ph00> usually, I tell noob that the "right" number of peers is ~10 connected, for an average connection
[17:34] <OctobersDark> well then you're 40% better than your average :-)
[17:34] <toad_> _ph00: fatal timeout? hmmm
[17:34] <_ph00> toad_; yes, lota of fatal timeouts
[17:35] <toad_> Caco_Patane: how's your connectivity?
[17:35] <_ph00> OctobersDark; that would be "for an average connectioon". I have 10Mbits up and 10 down
[17:35] <_ph00> I think my connection could take even more peers
[17:36] <toad_> <fasta> I find the source code to be hard to understand for security oriented software.
[17:36] <toad_> <fasta> _Every_ method should be documented, while it currently isn't.
[17:36] <toad_> fair point
[17:37] <_ph00> but if you have the usual 4-6 Mbit download, and 512Kbit/1Mbit on upload, maybe more than 10 connected peers (~15 total) could be too much (wild guess)
[17:38] <sich> toad : at this time we can use on freenet : title, description and lang
[17:39] <toad_> _ph00: that's the reported reason for backoff, but the peers aren't actually backed off right now?
[17:39] <sich> toad_, do you have some information about new spider ? Or do you have made a new version of your spider ? because I currently using your spider, but he is not very fast
[17:39] <toad_> sich: dunno any new spider
[17:39] <toad_> sich: you're welcome to hack on it, there may be bugs
[17:40] <toad_> but it should run at a reasonable speed
[17:40] <sich> toad_, I don't know java :(
[17:40] <toad_> learn! :)
[17:40] <sich> :)
[17:41] <_ph00> toad_; I have "fatal timeout peers as connected", the backed off ones show ForwardRejectedOverload
[17:41] <toad_> it's not hard, and it's a marketable skill...
[17:41] <toad_> and there's an increasing amount of free software written in java, especially as sun's definitely going to open it now
[17:41] <sich> yes, but I don't have a lot of time actually
[17:43] <_ph00> now *this* looks bad: *all* my connected peers show either ForwardRejectedOverload or Fatal Timeout.
[17:43] <_ph00> all of them
[17:43] <_ph00> no, all but one
[17:44] <_ph00> toad's node has "accepted timeout"
[17:44] <toad_> but not backed off?
[17:44] <_ph00> no
[17:44] <_ph00> three backed off, all of them ForwardRejectedOverload
[17:45] <_ph00> 3 accepted timeouts now
[17:45] <Zothar_Work> _ph00: the reason is about the last time it backed off, but if they're not backed off, then, well, they're not backed off... :)
[17:46] <_ph00> I set the max bandwidth for freenet to 400K, but I'm actually getting max 10K, more often ~3K. do I need more peers? more high-speed-connection peers?
[17:47] <_ph00> # Output Rate: 1.33 KiBps
[17:47] <_ph00> # Input Rate: 3.16 KiBps
[17:49] * OctobersDark is set for 300K
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[17:50] <OctobersDark> # Output Rate: 13.6 KiBps
[17:50] <OctobersDark> # Input Rate: 13.2 KiBps
[17:50] <_ph00> did you set both up and down speed? or did you keep that -1 thing (or +1 or whatever it was). I set 400K on both, because I have the same bandwidth on upload and download
[17:51] <OctobersDark> I kept the -1 thing
[17:51] <_ph00> somwhet better than mine
[17:51] <_ph00> but not even close to 300K
[17:51] <CIA-14> jflesch * r10777 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Remove 2 tabs and add 2 buttons in the Toolbar
[17:51] <OctobersDark> yeah...I have an average connection
[17:51] <Caco_Patane> toad_ conenctivity ok
[17:51] <Caco_Patane> 8 of 10 nodes connected
[17:52] <Caco_Patane> no backoff's
[17:52] <_ph00> that -1 mean (rout time that much) AFAIU
[17:52] <_ph00> 4 times as much
[17:52] <toad_> Caco_Patane: cool
[17:53] <Caco_Patane> 404 estimate nodes
[17:53] <_ph00> uptime?
[17:54] <Caco_Patane> cache hits today: http://caco.homelinux.org:9300/ch.png
[17:54] <Caco_Patane> (note that the graphs starts a 00:00 today, i was using the node from 8 to 11.30 of yesterday)
[18:00] <CIA-14> toad * r10778 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/client/FetchException.java: Add error code for TOO_MANY_META_STRINGS. Will be used soon.
[18:01] <CIA-14> toad * r10779 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/client/FetchException.java: Drop unnecessary qualifiers in switch
[18:04] <CIA-14> nextgens * r10780 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/WelcomeToadlet.java: Refactor the Exit/Restart features of fproxy : it should be done in two steps ; not three... and the first one should be a GET
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[18:06] <Caco_Patane> uptime, 20h
[18:07] <nextgens> hi
[18:07] <Caco_Patane> hi nextgens
[18:08] <CIA-14> toad * r10781 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/ (4 files in 4 dirs):
[18:08] <CIA-14> We already had a suitable error code.
[18:08] <CIA-14> Rename some more error codes.
[18:10] <CIA-14> toad * r10782 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/client/FetchException.java: Change error description
[18:19] <CIA-14> nextgens * r10783 /trunk/website/pages/tools.php: website: Add thaw on the tools page ; maybe someone has a better wording/description for it ?
[18:21] <_ph00> # Output Rate: 6.14 KiBps
[18:21] <_ph00> # Input Rate: 4.05 KiBps
[18:21] <_ph00> why can't I get better rates?
[18:22] <_ph00> and why all those "fatal timout"'s on non-backed off peers?
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[18:38] <CIA-14> jflesch * r10784 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/core/MainWindow.java: Fix separators in toolbar
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[19:08] <Zothar_Work> _ph00: those "fatal timeouts" on non-backed off peers are just telling you why they backed off last and have no meaning but being informational to advanced users
[19:08] <Zothar_Work> (i.e. devs)
[19:09] <_ph00> k
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[19:24] <CIA-14> jflesch * r10785 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/core/IconBox.java: Improve IconBox loading mechanism
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[20:04] <CIA-14> toad * r10786 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/Node.java:
[20:04] <CIA-14> Datastore change:
[20:04] <CIA-14> 50% store, 50% cache (up from 80/20).
[20:04] <CIA-14> Hard limits; will shrink your store or cache on startup. Neither will go over the limit, ever.
[20:04] <CIA-14> Changed from current hack of not shrinking cache immediately, and allowing store
[20:04] <CIA-14> to grow, which had the disadvantages of a) slowly going over the size limit, and
[20:04] <CIA-14> b) Always shrinking the cache on startup unless it was at the maximum.
[20:06] * Zothar_Work feeds a "sacrificial node" to an r10786 build for testing
[20:07] <toad_> could take a while to start up as it does shrink your store/cache if it's over 50%
[20:08] <Zothar_Work> yeah... :)
[20:09] <Zothar_Work> at least it won't have to be shrunk again later
[20:09] <toad_> right
[20:09] <toad_> brb
[20:09] <Zothar_Work> I do wonder if that much shrinkage at once might cause some people problems on startup in the short term...
[20:10] <toad_> perhaps
[20:10] <toad_> normally shrinking is fast
[20:10] <toad_> but for some people, sometimes it takes ages
[20:10] <toad_> much longer than at other times
[20:17] <CIA-14> mrogers * r10787 /trunk/apps/load-balancing-sims/phase7/sim/ (Node.java Packet.java Peer.java TokenBucket.java): Refactored interleaving, coalescing, congestion control and bandwidth limiter
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[20:34] <MineHaunter> I have r10782 and still I'm not able to remove a peer due to the time limit warning
[20:35] <CIA-14> jflesch * r10788 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Fix possible freeze when updating indexes with a jvm 1.4
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[21:09] <toad_> hi folks
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[21:12] <kloefer> is freenet always slow?
[21:13] <nextgens> hmm, most of the issues with the installer have been fixed now
[21:13] <nextgens> but still, I can't figure out why the uninstaller sometimes doesn't work
[21:14] <nextgens> :<
[21:14] * nextgens should probably release the new version of the installer
[21:15] <CIA-14> toad * r10789 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/useralerts/PeerManagerUserAlert.java:
[21:15] <CIA-14> "You need to escape the curly brackets."
[21:15] <CIA-14> Fixes RegexPatternException.
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[21:15] <toad_> kloefer: not always horribly slow
[21:15] <toad_> kloefer: how many connections do you have?
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[21:16] <toad_> okay, that's probably enough for a new build, especially as it affects newbies
[21:17] <toad_> "makes the front page break for newbies" is BAD
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[21:18] * nextgens is currently downloading something using bittorent
[21:18] <nextgens> who said freenet is slow ? :)
[21:19] <nextgens> there is probably a brazilion of leechers ... but still
[21:19] <nextgens> when I reach 3kB/s, I'm happy
[21:20] <toad_> :|
[21:20] <toad_> we need to fix the load limiting
[21:20] * nextgens bets that freenet would be faster than bittorent for distributing such things
[21:21] <nextgens> the tracker is overloaded ...
[21:21] <DarkRat> well, I could need some, or at least one, good node. About 90% of the pages aren't in "my" network
[21:21] <toad_> you're getting <3kB/sec on bittorrent ?!
[21:21] <nextgens> the client spending time trying to reach hundreds peers through "DHT" search
[21:21] <nextgens> yes
[21:21] <toad_> nextgens: DHT search? it's distributed-bittorrent that is sucking for you?
[21:21] <nextgens> and I'm currently uploading at 20kB/s
[21:22] <toad_> DarkRat: hmmm
[21:22] <toad_> DarkRat: how many peers you got?
[21:22] <nextgens> well, the tracker sucks ... and the client loose its time trying to get the DHT search to work
[21:22] <DarkRat> about a dozend. but a bunch of new ones. Just like me
[21:22] <nextgens> as many clients are requesting the same thing, they are hundreds of sources
[21:22] <toad_> DarkRat: you want a slow but reliable core network connection?
[21:22] <DarkRat> so we have our own small network withhout content from outside
[21:22] <nextgens> and the client tries to reach most of them :<
[21:23] <toad_> nextgens: so what you're saying is... the tracker is overloaded, and the DHT doesn't work because of bugs?
[21:23] <DarkRat> well, better slow than nothing
[21:23] <DarkRat> and I would give 30+ kbs to the net
[21:23] <nextgens> because of too many clients ... and probably implementation bugs yes
[21:23] <DarkRat> just disable DHT for torrents
[21:23] <toad_> DHTs are supposed to scale to bazillions of clients
[21:24] <DarkRat> DHT suxx :D
[21:24] <toad_> that's the whole point isn't it?
[21:24] <DarkRat> hmm. yea ^^
[21:25] <nextgens> toad_> agreed, but if well implemented
[21:25] <nextgens> ie: if clients weren't trying to reach most of other clients
[21:25] <DarkRat> just a question. Is it better to have a lot of nodes, or just some with good connection?
[21:26] <nextgens> maybe I haven't set it up properly though
[21:26] <nextgens> I should have limitated the number of connections
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[21:26] <nextgens> DarkRat> some with good connection
[21:27] * nextgens can't find the revelant setting in the config
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[21:31] <DarkRat> well, got some hints for a newb? ^^
[21:33] <nextgens> ok, in fact the bittorent client I'm using is just sucking
[21:33] <nextgens> it's its fault
[21:33] * nextgens installs azureus
[21:33] <DarkRat> use ?torrent 1.5
[21:33] <DarkRat> small, fast, don't need installation
[21:34] <nextgens> DarkRat> that would requires installing wine, .... or a windows
[21:34] <nextgens> not an option
[21:35] <DarkRat> hm
[21:35] <DarkRat> what OS?
[21:35] <nextgens> GNU/Linux
[21:36] <nextgens> bbiab
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[21:49] <nextgens> \o/ the tracker is back
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[21:57] <toad_> nextgens: http://code.bulix.org/izgx5o-22123
[21:57] <toad_> nextgens: any idea?
[21:57] <toad_> nextgens: it runs fine from the eclipse class files
[21:57] <toad_> but if i copy the jar files to another user, i get this constantly
[21:58] <toad_> hmmm, it's using gcj...
[21:58] <nextgens> yep
[21:58] <nextgens> freejvm related problem
[21:59] * nextgens hasn't ever experienced that one though
[21:59] <toad_> ok, that was the problem
[21:59] <nextgens> maybe I should update the wrapper version we bundle
[21:59] <nextgens> 3.2.3 is out
[21:59] <nextgens> we have 3.2.1 iirc
[21:59] <toad_> any new bugfixes/features?
[21:59] <nextgens> mostly bugfixes from what I read
[22:01] <toad_> that's a good thing
[22:01] <toad_> test it, then deploy it
[22:01] <toad_> and while you're at it could you fix the NPE that prevents us from using native FEC?
[22:01] <toad_> or tell me what i need to do to fix it
[22:02] <CIA-14> toad * r10790 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/Version.java: (log message trimmed)
[22:02] <CIA-14> 993 changelog:
[22:02] <CIA-14> - Hard limit of 50% of storeSize for cache, 50% for store. Node will no longer shrink on every startup, and will no longer go over the storeSize if the store grows.
[22:02] <CIA-14> - Fix a regex bug that broke the homepage when there was a peers-related message to display.
[22:02] <CIA-14> - Secure the ?getThreadDump so it can't be used by malicious websites to DoS
[22:02] <CIA-14> - Fix a CSS bug in the sky theme (progress bars)
[22:02] <CIA-14> - Trivial refactoring
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[22:06] <nextgens> toad_> any chance you implement binary blobs soon ?
[22:08] <toad_> nextgens: i have ian's support to do so if it doesn't take more than a few days
[22:09] <toad_> nextgens: however there have been a number of urgent and urgentish issues to deal with
[22:09] <toad_> nextgens: and mrogers has written up part of the low-level changes, i need to look into that
[22:09] <toad_> but yes, some time in the not too distant future; it's on the upper part of the todo list :)
[22:09] <nextgens> cool
[22:09] <toad_> gotta go have dinner now
[22:10] <nextgens> are you confident with your DS changes ?
[22:10] * nextgens would have tested them a bit more
[22:10] <nextgens> before releasing 993
[22:10] <toad_> nextgens: if you want to do it, or if you want to do update-over-mandatory after i've done binary blobs, please tell me, but your first priority should be fixing FEC, followed by STS
[22:10] <toad_> nextgens: well i had to release for the regex fix
[22:10] <nextgens> fixing FEC might be done tonight for x86 on linux
[22:11] <toad_> I doubt that the DS change will be seriously disruptive
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[22:11] <toad_> although it's still shrinking on startup for some reason
[22:11] <nextgens> I've got midterm exams next week
[22:11] <toad_> good luck
[22:12] <toad_> i gotta brb for dinner
[22:12] <toad_> cya
[22:12] <toad_> bbiab
[22:12] <nextgens> cya
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[22:38] <CIA-14> mrogers * r10791 /trunk/apps/load-balancing-sims/phase7/sim/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Slightly less frantic polling of the bandwidth limiter
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[22:47] <NullAcht15> Huh, this is funny, I've got a peer in my peer list that hasn't been connected for over a week but is at the same time reported to be at build 992. How can this happen? I mean, 992 was released only one or two days ago...
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[22:59] <MineHaunter> NullAcht15: probably your node got peer information on that peer using ark
[23:00] <MineHaunter> you can fetch ark information on a peer even if you are not connected to him
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[23:22] * nextgens has just released a new freenet-ext.jar
[23:22] <nextgens> it needs testing
[23:22] <nextgens> it ought to fix the FEC not loading bug
[23:23] <nextgens> ie: reduce CPU usage
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[23:27] <MineHaunter> What did you change in freenet-ext?
[23:27] <nextgens> the native.properties file
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[23:30] <MineHaunter> oky
[23:30] <MineHaunter> I'm trying r10790 with latest freenet-ext.jar
[23:32] <MineHaunter> mm
[23:32] <MineHaunter> http://code.bulix.org/co38lu-22129?raw
[23:32] <MineHaunter> won't start
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[23:33] <nextgens> your "r10790" file is corrupted
[23:33] <MineHaunter> maybe, I'll retry :)
[23:34] <nextgens> [freenet-dev] Part Time Node
[23:34] <MineHaunter> yep
[23:34] <MineHaunter> freenet.jar was corrupted
[23:34] <nextgens> YetAnotherMessageThatOughtToBeSomewhereElse
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[23:40] <MineHaunter> freenet-ext.jar r10078 works ok for me, it initializes Native FEC correctly on WinXP
[23:40] <MineHaunter> http://code.bulix.org/6wawkd-22130?raw
[23:40] <nextgens> ok, fine
[23:41] <nextgens> but the problem was linux specific afaik
[23:41] <MineHaunter> I got that problem on win too
[23:41] <MineHaunter> but again maybe I was using a very old freenet-ext, not sure
[23:43] <nextgens> ok, it doesn't work on x86_64
[23:43] <nextgens> but that was predictable
[23:48] <CIA-14> jflesch * r10792 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Add two item to the contextual menus in the QueueWatcher
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