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[5:38] <JonXP> Anyone up?
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[5:53] <sandos> yey! no peers
[5:53] <sandos> it ifinsally happened ot me too ;)
[5:53] <sandos> otoh, that disk is bad... ;)
[5:53] <sandos> had a backup though
[5:53] <sandos> heh, lookng good : # Cache hits: 29 / 35 (82%)
[5:53] <sandos> # Store hits: 1 / 35 (2%)
[5:56] <sandos> its weird.. why would the numbers be soo good at startup, but not otherwise?
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[9:33] <Simplechat> hey :)
[9:34] <Simplechat> anyone around?
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[10:21] <Apophis2> Oh well, I love it... collected 10 peers yesterday... NONE of them are online today...
[10:21] <Apophis2> ffs
[10:34] <Grizzy> it needs to be automagical.
[10:35] <Grizzy> peer collection, that is.
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[10:52] <Apophis2> write a mail to nextgens and toad and thell them...
[10:53] * Apophis2 slaps around nextgens *
[10:53] <Apophis2> oh I like that
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[14:46] <Caco_Patane> Hallo
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[15:32] <investigator> Ok, so I've read as much stuff from the Freenet website as I can find. The one thing I couldn't find, was how to uninstall this software, if ever I should want to do so. How does one uninstall Freenet?
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[15:42] <toad_> it installs an uninstaller
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[15:43] <investigator> so I just double-click uninstaller.jar?
[15:44] <toad_> no, it should have installed an icon for an uninstaller on the start menu
[15:44] <toad_> but you could try that, i dunno how uninstall works
[15:44] <investigator> it didn't
[15:44] <toad_> hmmm
[15:44] <toad_> try uninstaller.jar
[15:44] <investigator> ok
[15:45] <toad_> if that doesn't work, shut down the node and delete the directory
[15:45] <investigator> yes, but I also would want to get rid of the 'service'
[15:45] <investigator> in the start menu I have "Browse, Frost, Start the Node, Stop the Node" that's all
[15:46] <investigator> If I had to delet the directory, I haven't figured out how to remove the service from the services list
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[15:48] <investigator> seems like the Freenet is like the Mafia. You can get in, but you can't get out. :-)
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[15:58] <TheSeeker> hmm, this sounds useful for freenet stores... http://www.theinq.com/default.aspx?article=35421
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[16:04] <investigator> interesting article
[16:06] <toad_> investigator: so open the services page in control panel
[16:06] <toad_> it might be under computer admin or something like that
[16:06] <toad_> there SHOULD be an uninstaller on the start menu or the desktop
[16:06] <toad_> did your install fail?
[16:06] <investigator> no, the install went fine, but there is no link in the start menu
[16:06] <investigator> let me check control panel
[16:06] <investigator> brb
[16:06] <toad_> no link to start it, or no link to uninstall it?
[16:07] <investigator> no link to uninstall
[16:08] <investigator> there's no link to services in control panel. it's in My Computer\Manage\Services, and there is no way to remove it there
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[16:09] <investigator> checking help file
[16:10] <toad_> log in as administrator :)
[16:10] <investigator> I am
[16:11] <toad_> then windows is broken... why would it show you a list of services and not let you remove them?
[16:11] <toad_> that's bizarre
[16:11] <toad_> anyway there is some way to remove it
[16:11] <investigator> it lets me start, stop, pause, restart, etc
[16:11] <investigator> I'll check the registry
[16:11] <investigator> brb
[16:11] <toad_> what happens if you press DELETE ?
[16:11] <toad_> i mean the key?
[16:12] <investigator> I didn't want to try that in case it doesn't offer a confirmation window
[16:12] <investigator> (not ready to do the uninstall quite yet)
[16:12] <investigator> but that is one of the things I was planning to try if all else fails
[16:14] <toad_> are you 110% sure it didn't put an uninstaller in?
[16:14] <toad_> you have checked the start menu? found a folder where the freenet icon is?
[16:14] <toad_> you're running XP, right? the real start menu is under More Applications ...
[16:14] <investigator> yes, checked it several times
[16:15] <investigator> yes
[16:15] <toad_> get me a screenshot of the Freenet folder with start freenet but not uninstall freenet please
[16:15] <investigator> ok, one sec
[16:18] <investigator> Ok, I have it, how do I send it to you?
[16:18] <toad_> email
[16:18] <toad_> toad at amphibian.dyndns.org
[16:19] <investigator> one sec
[16:21] <investigator> on its way
[16:22] <toad_> hmmmm
[16:23] <toad_> forwarded to nextgens
[16:23] <toad_> bbl
[16:23] <investigator> k
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[16:35] <ejjeljel> hi. someone interestet in swaping node references?
[16:36] <investigator> go to #freenet-refs
[16:36] <ejjeljel> thnx
[16:36] <investigator> welcome
[16:38] <nextgens> investigator> there is a script called "remove_service.cmd" or "uninstall_service.cmd" iirc
[16:38] <nextgens> investigator> in the /bin folder
[16:38] <investigator> let me have a look brb
[16:39] <investigator> gocha
[16:39] <investigator> ok, what about the uninstaller.jar, would that work?
[16:40] <nextgens> it ought to
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[16:40] <investigator> ok, so I would just double-click on that?
[16:40] <nextgens> toad_> didn't get any mail from you
[16:40] <nextgens> toad_> but I'm experiencing e-mail problems :-S
[16:41] <investigator> ok, I found the .bat file for uninstalling the service
[16:42] <investigator> it says "@set PATH=%SYSTEMROOT%\System32\;%PATH%
[16:42] <investigator> @echo "Cleaning up"
[16:42] <investigator> @net stop freenet-darknet-8888
[16:42] <investigator> @echo "Unregistering Freenet as a system service"
[16:42] <investigator> @wrapper-windows-x86-32.exe -r ../wrapper.conf
[16:42] <investigator> @pause
[16:42] <investigator> so if the uninstaller.jar doesn't do it, I should be able to do it that way
[16:42] <nextgens> toad_> please re-send it
[16:45] <investigator> (I figured it was something complicated, like that)
[16:47] <nextgens> investigator> btw, why would you want to uninstall such a wonderfull piece of software ?
[16:47] <investigator> I don't have the horsepower to run it. I'll probably be back when I do
[16:49] <investigator> my machine sometimes goes comatose when I run it, and have another big app open. Yesterday, it took me :10 minutes to switch windows because of page thrashing
[16:50] <investigator> there are other considerations, which I will reveal in pvt
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[17:06] <Apophis2> shei la lei... sha la la la lei le lei... *sing*
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[17:15] <nextgens> bbiab
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[18:06] <CIA-14> mrogers * r10746 /trunk/apps/load-balancing-sims/phase6/ (DeadlineQueue.java Node.java Peer.java TokenBucket.java): Bandwidth & congestion refactoring, part 1
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[18:13] <toad_> nextgens: the installer didn't install an uninstaller
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[18:17] <CIA-14> mrogers * r10747 /trunk/apps/load-balancing-sims/phase6/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Bandwidth & congestion refactoring, part 2
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[18:18] <toad_> why does Frost keep telling me it failed to upload a message?
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[19:19] <TheSeeker> toad_: so how far away are you/Ian from upgrading 0.7's status to "beta"?
[19:21] <toad_> TheSeeker: ian doesn't want to do that before opennet
[19:21] <toad_> i don't want to do that before load balancing is sorted
[19:21] <toad_> and probably not before opennet
[19:23] <TheSeeker> toad_: are you still thinking that a pure darknet can ever realistically be 'small world', given that a high degree to the network is a requirement?
[19:27] <toad_> TheSeeker: social networks are small-world
[19:27] <toad_> TheSeeker: and they don't rely on hubs
[19:27] <toad_> but yes you need a reasonable degree
[19:27] <toad_> not necessarily a huge degree
[19:31] <TheSeeker> A social network may be small world, but social networks cover the entire range of interests that exist. I propose that if you eliminate all of the people in that social network who will not run freenet, you are not left with something that is no longer even fully-connected, let alone high-degree.
[19:38] <TheSeeker> ok, reading through papers again, I'm confusing 'high degree' with 'high clustering coefficient'
[19:38] <toad_> it doesn't need to be huge degree
[19:38] <toad_> high degree does help though
[19:46] <TheSeeker> With open net, it makes sense to either have a static number of connections for each node, and regulate bandwidth by trying to connect with people equal or slower... or to base the number of connections purely on the available bandwidth and minimum QOS per-node. (while transmitting that QOS to neighbors on attempted connect)
[19:51] <toad_> we don't want opennet to have 50 conns per node while darknet has 10
[19:51] <toad_> that could cause trouble
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[20:07] <TheSeeker> so then it makes more sense to communicate only a minimum (and maximum?) bandwidth commitment on connection without divulging the number of next-hop connections that will represent?
[20:09] <TheSeeker> Even without giving any details away about how many connections we want, or how much bandwidth we have or will make available, if you are surrounded entirely on the outside by compromised nodes, it seems they could determine how many darknet connectinos you have through various probes and bandwidth usage attacks...
[20:10] <TheSeeker> Unless there is to be seperate classes of messages for those that are darknet-only or opennet-only.
[20:11] <TheSeeker> is/are
[20:12] <TheSeeker> That idea seems to come with even more problems though... by means of very slow propogation of data between dark and open networks.
[20:23] <CIA-14> mrogers * r10748 /trunk/apps/load-balancing-sims/phase6/ (Node.java Peer.java TokenBucket.java): Forget it, more urgent things to do...
[20:28] <Zothar_Work> one perception that 0.7 opennet will probably have to overcome is that more connections is better; I've read some people implying that opennet will mean they'll have 100 connections quickly and that seems to be a good number to them
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[20:56] <toad_> the problem is, people who set it to 100 will have a temporary advantage over people who set it to 20
[21:06] <Zothar_Work> maybe it shouldn't be a user setting?
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[22:20] <nextgens> toad_> hmm ?
[22:20] <nextgens> [18:13] < toad_> | nextgens: the installer didn't install an uninstaller
[22:20] <nextgens> it does for me
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[22:24] <sanity> hi all
[22:27] <nextgens> si sanity
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