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[0:00] <MineHaunter> no no, I'm referring to the home page
[0:01] <lionking> ok what homepage?
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[0:04] <lionking> you mean this: http://127.0.0.1:8888
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[0:11] <lionking> minehaunter: ive got a problem with froist, if i post a message, it isnt shown than in the thread, how long takes it to upload this message
[0:14] <lionking> mike10: i cant post private messages, but here is mine: http://dark-code.bulix.org/o4f6es-21022?raw
[0:17] <MineHaunter> lionking: it may take long before the message is fully inserted
[0:17] <MineHaunter> lionking: but it should be visible after only a few minutes
[0:18] <lionking> mike10: added you thanks
[0:18] <MineHaunter> lionking: sometimes tho the message will show up after very long time, don't know why
[0:19] <lionking> hm it isnt, and if i want to close frost it says that there are messages beeing uploadet
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[0:21] <lionking> aah i just see my first message online wrote about 18:30 CET (GMT+1)
[0:22] <lionking> ok it works
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[4:02] <troythered> hey _ph00 are you there?
[4:03] <troythered> pm me
[4:10] <troythered> nm left you a msg
[4:10] <troythered> bbl
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[12:18] <Zothar_Work> MineHaunter: BUSY/BACKED OFF already has it's own separate % time measure, it's just not as long term; also, a peer fixing BUSY/BACKED OFF does something completely different than a peer that's DISCONNECTED.
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[13:56] <Syd2> hi, i think i got an bug in freenet .7
[13:56] <Syd2> i use Freenet 0.7 Build #991 r10686 and got 3 connections, 1 connected
[13:57] <Syd2> now i choose the connected node, select "remove selected peers", "go" and get the warning, are you sure? I select remove it
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[13:57] <Syd2> nothing happens, the node is still in list
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[14:14] <_ph00> Syd2: you still there?
[14:15] <Syd2> yes
[14:15] <_ph00> go to your freenet edit the file peers-<portnumber>
[14:15] <_ph00> take the peer away mnually, then restart freenet
[14:16] <Syd2> is it a bug or feature?
[14:16] <_ph00> (that one the latest "features" thaw was added: I hate it and I was against it... But I'm no dev.
[14:16] <_ph00> is not a bug, it was implemented that way
[14:17] <Syd2> ok thank you
[14:17] <_ph00> but I think the intention was only to add one click to the process
[14:17] <_ph00> so it *is* a bug after all
[14:18] <_ph00> Syd2: btw you need more than 3 peers. three is the very minimum to make it work, but you want to have ~10 connected peers
[14:19] <Zothar_Work> I agree with _ph00 that it's a bug; nextgens will hopefully get a chance to look at it soon, but you migh file a bugin the bugtracker Syd2
[14:19] <_ph00> for an average connectio
[14:19] <Syd2> i know, i?m just collecting refs again
[14:20] <_ph00> maybe it's not
[14:20] <_ph00> I remembered now
[14:20] <_ph00> nextegens was talking about making "impossible" to remove peers that haven't stayed disconnected for at least a week
[14:21] <Syd2> what? if i know i cant trust a node .. why shouldnt i remove it?
[14:22] <_ph00> so maybe he didn't just add a click, it added a click, and removed moved the decision from the user to the node itself (time of diconnection). I don't like it. But actually, I don't even know if he actually did that... it could be a bug....
[14:22] <_ph00> his point was that one goes on holiday, then he comes back and he's been removed by all his peers
[14:23] <_ph00> anyways, you can always manually edit peers-<portnr>
[14:24] <_ph00> I hope they 'll take that away because I think it0's really stupid. the warning should be enough. maybe a bigger warning that says "consider that the guy could be on semester" or something, but the minimum disconnection time is a terrible choice
[14:24] <_ph00> but then again
[14:24] <_ph00> I'm no dev
[14:24] <_ph00> maybe they know better...
[14:25] <_ph00> "could be on holyday"
[14:25] <_ph00> I mean
[14:26] <_ph00> "semester" = holiday, in another language (knowing too many languages make it difficult to talk *one* correctly)
[14:26] <MineHaunter> maybe the node could allow peer removal before minimum time only when set in advanced mode
[14:26] <MineHaunter> so newbies won't remove nodes at random
[14:27] <_ph00> noobs will ask us how to do that, and me, I will tell them
[14:27] <_ph00> people should make decisions, not programs
[14:27] <MineHaunter> yes, but when telling how to remove a peer, you should tell them that is not good for the network
[14:28] <MineHaunter> and they should remove a peer only if they have a good reason
[14:28] <_ph00> depends on how many peers tey have etc. that could even be good if they have 55 peers on a lousy connection
[14:28] <MineHaunter> it's not about forbidding to do something, only forcing people to take an informed choice
[14:28] <_ph00> that makes sense
[14:28] <_ph00> but minimum diconnection time is bad
[14:29] <MineHaunter> I am for the warning
[14:29] <MineHaunter> not for forbidding removal
[14:29] <_ph00> yeah
[14:29] <_ph00> one more click is no biggie
[14:29] <_ph00> with a big warning that actually explains stuff, not only "are you sure"?
[14:29] <MineHaunter> yeah
[14:29] <MineHaunter> I'm leaving now
[14:29] <MineHaunter> bbl
[14:29] <_ph00> k
[14:29] <_ph00> seya
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[14:47] <Syd2> http://code.bulix.org/95vihk-21140
[14:48] <Syd2> sry
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[15:06] <maithanet> anyone ref exchange my is : http://code.bulix.org/zwmvk2-21152
[15:11] <anonymouse> maithanet you want freenet-refs
[15:11] <anonymouse> wrong chan =)
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[17:13] <SurfnKid> so.. whats up doc?
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[17:58] * toad_ wonders if he should turn his non-work TODO list into a bugtracker :)
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[17:59] <toad_> they have advantages over plain-text files ... appending to a bug and bringing the existing bug back up to the top rather than adding to the beginning of the TODO file completely new text :)
[18:00] <toad_> :)
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[18:02] <nextgens> hi toad_
[18:03] <toad_> hi nextgens
[18:04] <nextgens> toad_> I suggest you've a look to trac then :)
[18:04] <nextgens> forget about mantis
[18:04] <nextgens> you can integrate deadlines and so on
[18:04] <toad_> is there a debian package?
[18:05] <toad_> apparently not...
[18:05] <toad_> how odd
[18:05] <toad_> not for mantis either
[18:06] <nextgens> mantis is packaged
[18:06] <nextgens> so is trac iirc
[18:06] <toad_> it's not in the main etch repo
[18:07] <toad_> neither of them
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[18:07] <nextgens> trac - Enhanced wiki and issue tracking system for software development projects
[18:07] <nextgens> do you have contrib in your sources ? :)
[18:07] <toad_> why is it contrib?
[18:07] <toad_> what does it depend on that's non-free?
[18:08] <nextgens> I don't know
[18:08] <nextgens> :$
[18:08] <toad_> anyway it's not in etch contrib
[18:08] <toad_> you using sid?
[18:08] <nextgens> emu is on sarge and has it
[18:08] <nextgens> so do my etch
[18:09] <nextgens> http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=trac&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
[18:09] <nextgens> it's even in old_stable
[18:09] <toad_> what's it called?
[18:09] <SurfnKid> hey guys
[18:09] <toad_> what's the package called?
[18:09] <toad_> SurfnKid: hi
[18:10] <SurfnKid> how can i get a @freenet thingy on my domain
[18:10] <SurfnKid> always wanted to
[18:10] <nextgens> toad_> "trac"
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[18:10] <nextgens> http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/trac
[18:10] <toad_> SurfnKid: you mean on IRC? a freenet cloak?
[18:10] <toad_> SurfnKid: i don't think we have the ability to do that yet
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[18:11] <toad_> servalan:~# apt-get install trac
[18:11] <toad_> E: Couldn't find package trac
[18:11] <nextgens> hmm
[18:11] <nextgens> in fact I'm wrong
[18:11] <SurfnKid> some have @freenode/staff/name
[18:11] <nextgens> it's in sarge and sid
[18:11] <toad_> hmmm maybe it's in sarge and sid but not etch?
[18:11] <nextgens> but missing in etch
[18:11] <nextgens> yes
[18:11] <toad_> SurfnKid: that's freenode. freenode != freenet.
[18:12] <SurfnKid> oops typo
[18:12] <SurfnKid> lol
[18:12] <toad_> nextgens: bizarre :)
[18:12] * SurfnKid didnt have his coffee this morning
[18:12] <nextgens> autant qu'?trange
[18:13] <toad_> nextgens: mantis likewise
[18:13] <toad_> "no bug trackers in testing" !!
[18:13] <nextgens> bugzilla ? :D
[18:13] <toad_> bugzilla's in etch
[18:14] <nextgens> well, bugzilla isn't convenient at all for your purpose imho :)
[18:14] <toad_> indeed
[18:14] <nextgens> toad_> setting up an additionnal project on emu's mantis is a matter of seconds
[18:14] <SurfnKid> i guess its called a cloak :p hard to keep track of names
[18:14] <nextgens> but maybe you don't want it to be there
[18:14] <toad_> nextgens: :)
[18:15] <toad_> does having both etch and sarge lines in my sources.list break everything?
[18:15] <nextgens> no
[18:15] <nextgens> it should always install testing packages
[18:16] <nextgens> unless you have a "pinning" file
[18:16] <toad_> so sarge and sid would always install unstable?
[18:16] <nextgens> man apt_preferences
[18:16] <nextgens> :)
[18:16] <nextgens> but yes
[18:17] <toad_> of course this is on amd64, so sarge might be broken or nonexistent...
[18:17] <nextgens> always unless you set up the appropriate /etc/apt/preferences
[18:19] <nextgens> toad_> FYI, trac is written in python and mantis is in PHP
[18:19] <toad_> :|
[18:19] <nextgens> and both are as insecure
[18:19] <toad_> well, moving freenet from mantis to trac is infeasible
[18:19] <nextgens> and need to be kept updated
[18:20] <nextgens> I'm not saying we should
[18:20] <nextgens> it has been discussed
[18:20] <nextgens> and Ian is against trac
[18:20] <toad_> iirc he said it's overly prescriptive?
[18:21] <nextgens> something like that yes :)
[18:21] <nextgens> I'm not sure it's a default for a bug tracking system
[18:22] <nextgens> but whether we want to use that kind of tool or not is a decision that has to be taken by the project leader
[18:22] <nextgens> :)
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[18:23] <toad_> well ideally it has to be taken by consensus
[18:23] <toad_> but there isn't a consensus
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[18:52] <nextgens> toad_> I suggest have a look to commits since 991
[18:52] <nextgens> toad_> the "peer removal warning" has been implemented
[18:52] <nextgens> as a fproxy hack
[18:52] <nextgens> maybe it should be wider and send an exception
[18:53] <nextgens> so that FCP and console would be affected too
[18:56] <MineHaunter> nextgens: are you suggesting to add the warning to FCP too?
[18:56] <MineHaunter> seems quite pointless to me :)
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[20:00] <_ph00> I'm blue dah-boo-dee-bah...
[20:00] <_ph00> (bah)
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[22:13] <toad_> nextgens: no point putting it in FCP
[22:13] <toad_> nextgens: but we can put a warning in the FCP docs for RemovePeer
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[22:19] <MineHaunter> has the issue with peer removing been fixed?
[22:25] <maaxel> how to alter udp string in the ref that it only shows a dyndns hostname
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[22:27] <maaxel> if override.ip is used it only adds dyndns host and leaves the ips
[22:28] <MineHaunter> don't know, maybe it can't be done
[22:29] <MineHaunter> btw what's the point in doing that?
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[22:32] <maaxel> that there is no useless ips
[22:33] <MineHaunter> I think they won't be used if the dyndns address works
[22:36] <toad_> MineHaunter: "issue" ?
[22:37] <toad_> maaxel: did you use overrideIPAddress ?
[22:38] <MineHaunter> toad_: I'm using r10686 and I'm not able to remove peers: I get the warning but when I confirm the peer is still there
[22:38] <toad_> hmmm strange
[22:38] <toad_> ask nextgens
[22:38] <MineHaunter> k
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[22:39] <toad_> obviously you shouldn't be removing peers without a good reason, like "I don't trust them", "They didn't add me", "They've been down for 2 weeks+"
[22:40] <MineHaunter> you know, there are many newbie nodes who disapper the day after you add them
[22:41] <MineHaunter> I will not remove a long-time peer which stays down for two weeks
[22:41] <toad_> yes, and there are many nodes which are in other time zones, or which can't run 24x7 for some reason
[22:41] <MineHaunter> but if I just added someone and he doesn't reconnect in 3-4 days I'd like to remove him :)
[22:41] <maaxel> toad_: yes
[22:41] <toad_> if a node is consistently up for 5 hours a day it's worth having
[22:42] <maaxel> it even adds ipv6 ip that isn't really in use
[22:42] <CIA-14> jflesch * r10707 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/plugins/index/ (SearchBar.java SearchResult.java): If no index is selected, do the search on all the files and all the links
[22:42] <maaxel> is it possible to totally override the udp ip string?
[22:43] <toad_> maaxel: so it adds your ip address, but not your specified dyndns address?
[22:43] <maaxel> it adds both
[22:43] <toad_> ah
[22:43] <toad_> so what are you complaining about exactly?
[22:44] <maaxel> would only like to have the dyndns hostname
[22:44] <toad_> well... if you submit a patch i may apply it
[22:44] * hjubal (n=hjubal@) Quit ("quit")
[22:44] <toad_> it doesn't exactly sound like a critical bug though
[22:45] <maaxel> maybe it's something linux specific... have seen few correct refs of other users
[22:46] <maaxel> containing only the dyndns hostname
[22:46] <toad_> no, it means your node is directly connected to the internet
[22:46] <MineHaunter> it does the same thing to me under windows
[22:46] <maaxel> ok
[22:46] <toad_> which means it can detect your IPs as well as your overridden IP
[22:46] <toad_> so it includes all of them
[22:46] <toad_> as connectivity can be difficult
[22:46] <toad_> and DNS can have problems too
[22:46] <toad_> I don't see what the problem is
[22:47] <toad_> how can slightly more possibilities be worse?
[22:48] <maaxel> well for example the ref includes the ipv6 that should not be broadcasted anywhere... it's not for internet use
[22:48] <toad_> oh? what is it for then?
[22:48] <maaxel> it is behind the firewall
[22:48] <toad_> hmmm
[22:49] <toad_> well we do ask java whether an IP address is "private"
[22:49] <toad_> even in the case of IPv6 addresses
[22:49] <toad_> => your network is using non-private IP addresses for private use
[22:49] <toad_> => it's your fault
[22:49] <toad_> => it's your problem, send us a patch
[22:50] <maaxel> is it somehow possible to set it not to detect ips
[22:50] <toad_> have a look at the full config options
[22:51] <toad_> but i don't think so at the moment
[22:51] <toad_> if you really must have the feature, send us a patch
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[22:54] <Nosfe> hello! can anyone help me to connect into freenet please? Looks like I need some kind of peers :D
[22:54] <toad_> Nosfe: if you know people on freenet already, connect to them. otherwise try #freenet-refs
[22:55] <Nosfe> I don't know anyone on free net :( already tring on -refs but no one is listenin :((
[22:57] <MineHaunter> be patient, be patient... :)
[22:58] <Nosfe> :D
[22:58] <Nosfe> i just know that I have to exchange a VERY LONG code that appears on "My Reference" with anyone, but no one wants to be my buddy :< *sigh*
[22:59] <toad_> hmmm
[23:00] <toad_> does java provide something like sprintf?
[23:00] <toad_> some of the strings in PeerManagerUserAlert are getting out of hand, and an easy substitution mechanism would be useful
[23:01] <toad_> just to stick some numbers in
[23:02] <nextgens> toad_> do NOT commit a patch allowing people to display only their fqdn
[23:02] <nextgens> toad_> it's a feature to add the ip address
[23:03] <nextgens> toad_> keep in mind that people using chineese's DNS servers won't be able to resolve the "right" ip address on their own
[23:03] <toad_> nextgens: even if they're using private IPs in public IP-space, as the guy above was?
[23:03] <nextgens> so providing them makes sense
[23:03] <nextgens> that's his problem
[23:03] <nextgens> not a bug
[23:03] <toad_> ... or maybe java was not implementing the is-private-ip methods for IPv6 correctly...
[23:04] <nextgens> I doubt it :)
[23:07] <toad_> you think it's more likely they were using public IPv6 addresses internally?
[23:08] <nextgens> there is no public/private distinction on ipv6 iirc
[23:08] <nextgens> there is the "link level" space
[23:08] <nextgens> and that's all
[23:08] <nextgens> and multicast/broadcast of course
[23:08] <toad_> that's what we check for
[23:08] <toad_> link level = 192.168.x.y etc
[23:09] <toad_> we check whether an IP is link-level and if it is we exclude it unless explicitly told otherwise
[23:09] <nextgens> link level is fe80::::0 iirc
[23:09] <toad_> hmmm
[23:09] <toad_> well then java is indeed broken
[23:10] <toad_> because my node includes that...
[23:10] <toad_> hmmm no i have include everything enabled
[23:10] <toad_> 1sec
[23:10] <toad_> yep
[23:10] <toad_> with include everything disabled it only includes the IPv4 address
[23:11] <toad_> nextgens: does java include anything like eprintf/sprintf?
[23:11] * mike10 (i=root@) Quit (Client Quit)
[23:11] <nextgens> I don't know
[23:11] <nextgens> you're the java expert ;)
[23:11] <toad_> i suppose I can make a convenience method if it doesn't...
[23:11] <nextgens> http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/Programming/sprintf/
[23:12] <toad_> or just use String.replace() repeatedly
[23:12] <nextgens> in 1.5 there is the Formater class
[23:15] <nextgens> my node is currently inserting 1.5M/hour
[23:15] <nextgens> that's the average over 14h at least
[23:16] <MineHaunter> nextgens: I'm not able to remove a peer
[23:17] <MineHaunter> nextgens: I get the warning but when I confirm the peer is still there
[23:17] <nextgens> MineHaunter> too bad :)
[23:17] <MineHaunter> I'm using r10686
[23:17] * nextgens ducks
[23:17] <MineHaunter> are you planning to fix this? :)
[23:18] <nextgens> to be honnest, I wasn't aware it was broken :)
[23:18] <MineHaunter> oh
[23:19] <MineHaunter> I thought someone already told you about this
[23:19] <MineHaunter> maybe _ph00
[23:19] <MineHaunter> anyway
[23:19] <MineHaunter> the problem is as above
[23:19] <MineHaunter> I try to remove a peer
[23:19] <MineHaunter> get the warning, confirm
[23:19] <MineHaunter> and nothing happens
[23:19] <nextgens> according to the commit message I hadn't tested it
[23:20] <nextgens> so it's quite possible it's broken indeed
[23:20] <nextgens> I'll have a look next time I start eclipse up
[23:20] <nextgens> thanks for reporting anyway :)
[23:20] * Nosfe (n=ZorroMad@) Quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
[23:21] <MineHaunter> np :)
[23:23] <nextgens> toad_> if you can afford spending some time improving the phrasing on the warning, I suggest you do. We really need to prevent^w discourage users from creating artificial churn
[23:23] <toad_> nextgens: i'm working on the user alerts at the moment
[23:23] <nextgens> maybe we can put the emphasis on the fact that even if their node won't send any handshake anymore, they will still get incoming ones
[23:24] <nextgens> as the other side won't be aware of the fact they have removed it
[23:24] <nextgens> ok, cool :)
[23:24] <MineHaunter> can I suggest to trigger the alert on both last downtime lenght AND uptime %? :)
[23:24] <toad_> i will look at the removal warning anyway
[23:24] <nextgens> ok
[23:25] * nextgens is off to bed
[23:25] <nextgens> cya
[23:25] <MineHaunter> Even if I had a peer disconnected for a week but he had been on for 3 months...
[23:25] <MineHaunter> cya
[23:26] <nextgens> MineHaunter> storing too presise informations about your peer's uptime would help time-corellation attacks
[23:26] <nextgens> not a good thing imho
[23:26] <nextgens> *precise
[23:26] <MineHaunter> there's already an uptime %
[23:27] <nextgens> sure, but it's only a short time evaluation
[23:27] <MineHaunter> oh
[23:27] <MineHaunter> ic
[23:27] <nextgens> it's not stored persistently iirc
[23:27] <MineHaunter> so it's reset on next restart?
[23:27] <nextgens> anyway, bbl
[23:27] <nextgens> yes
[23:27] <MineHaunter> mm it's marked as volatile... :)
[23:27] <MineHaunter> k
[23:41] <CIA-14> toad * r10708 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/useralerts/PeerManagerUserAlert.java:
[23:41] <CIA-14> Increase some peer limits.
[23:41] <CIA-14> Change wording.
[23:41] <CIA-14> Combine words into a single location for both methods.
[23:41] <CIA-14> One objective is to de-emphasize the "disconnected peers use bandwidth/cpu" angle, because they really don't use much in the way of bandwidth/cpu.
[23:45] <lionking> hi
[23:47] <lionking> im inserting a page whith jSite and it reached 100% but the buttons are still inactive, and the java.exe from freenet takes 100% cpu, so i think it isnt ready, how long will it take until it is ready?
[23:51] <lionking> can someone answer my question please?
[23:54] <toad_> gah
[23:54] <toad_> lionking: how should we know? it might be a bug
[23:54] <toad_> lionking: has freenet itself become nonresponsive (http://127.0.0.1:8888/ ?)
[23:55] <lionking> hm i dont know... inserting the site, 0-100% taked about 27hours, but now its 100% but it seems to be not ready
[23:55] <lionking> no freenet itself works
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[23:56] <lionking> hm now freenet is nonresponsive...
[23:57] <lionking> and i got the message that the iserting process failed :(
[23:57] <toad_> ah, so it failed
[23:57] <toad_> okay
[23:57] <toad_> does it say why?
[23:58] * toad_ (n=toad@) Quit (Remote closed the connection)
[23:59] <lionking> "Das Einf??gen des Projektes ist fehlgeschlagen, da einige Dateien nicht eingef??gt werden konnten" undestant this or schoult i translate?
[23:59] <lionking> toooaad where are you
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