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[0:00] <lionking> ok ill try it
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[0:34] <toad_> sleon: fine
[0:34] <toad_> sleon: had a nice time in san francisco
[0:34] <toad_> thanks to google
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[2:51] <_ph00> let's see...
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[2:51] <Riccardo> _ph00, yes freenet is running, I can browse index sites, and I'm showing three active refs
[2:51] <_ph00> k
[2:52] <_ph00> so the problem might be the prot
[2:52] <_ph00> port
[2:52] <Riccardo> kinda what I was thinking
[2:52] <Riccardo> cannot find the ini for frost tho
[2:52] <_ph00> let's see where the frost port is configured...
[2:53] <_ph00> (wait...)
[2:53] <Riccardo> k
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[2:56] <_ph00> in fproxy's config page, check that FCP port nr. is set to 9481
[2:57] <Riccardo> I was just looking at the freenet.ini, and it's set to 9481
[2:57] <_ph00> k
[2:57] <_ph00> hm
[2:58] <_ph00> what did the second pop-up say? after "can't extabilish connection"
[2:58] <arson116> when the "from" name is blue what does that mean?
[2:59] <Riccardo> that to connect the 1st time I need to have freenet running, but after that it will run without freenet but not get msgs
[2:59] <_ph00> blus sender = board(s) attached
[2:59] <_ph00> ok
[2:59] <_ph00> blus = blue*
[3:00] <_ph00> so basically the porblem is only that: cant' connect
[3:00] <Riccardo> right
[3:00] <Riccardo> wait
[3:01] <Riccardo> I started frost again, and told it to force pot 9481, and it just sat there for a min, but it failed again
[3:02] <_ph00> I have a theory
[3:02] <Riccardo> k
[3:03] <_ph00> what if when you started freenet, port 9481 was already being used by something else?
[3:03] <Riccardo> hmmm
[3:03] <_ph00> are you running more apps that could be using that port?
[3:03] <_ph00> bittorrent, or some other p2p thing, maybe?
[3:04] <Riccardo> not that I know of, I only installed freenet saturday. I just started it back up a little while ago, and tried frost right away
[3:04] <_ph00> (I sent you my refs in ppvt: no need to edit to take the nick off, just copy and paste)
[3:04] <_ph00> hm?
[3:04] <_ph00> you tried frost right away and it worked?
[3:05] <Riccardo> yup
[3:05] <_ph00> and now it's complaining that it can't connect, then fails because *the first time* you need to have freenet on?
[3:05] <Riccardo> hmmm, having problem copying the ref
[3:05] <_ph00> looks like it's running in another directory?
[3:05] <_ph00> what problem?
[3:05] <_ph00> with the ref?
[3:06] <Riccardo> yep, i can highlight the text but the highlight doesn't stay, using mirc
[3:06] <_ph00> you can copy it with the <ph00> stuff and everything, the node will take care of that
[3:06] <_ph00> ok, highlight with one hand, while with the other hand you do ctrl-c
[3:07] <_ph00> that will copy to clipboard
[3:07] <_ph00> (highlight first
[3:07] <_ph00> then do ctrl-c without releasing the mouse button
[3:07] <_ph00> should work
[3:07] <Riccardo> duh, I must be getting tired <grin>
[3:08] <_ph00> ok, back to frost: it looks like it's running another copy
[3:09] <_ph00> maybe the "old" one is still running somewhere. windows does this kind of stuff sometimes. open the task manager and look how many java processes are running
[3:09] <Riccardo> hmmm, lemme check the task maager
[3:09] <_ph00> stop freenet, exit the systemtray app, then open the task manager and kill any java processes
[3:09] <Riccardo> btw, got your ref posted in my node
[3:09] <_ph00> posted?
[3:10] <Riccardo> k, hang on
[3:10] <_ph00> you mean you added me as a peer?
[3:11] <_ph00> something's wrong with your ref...
[3:11] <_ph00> first off, you should name your node. the defaut name "node created around <long number> should be changed to something else (doesn't need to be unique)
[3:12] <_ph00> did you manually edit the ref before pasting it?
[3:12] <Riccardo> yes, I removed your name tag by doing a search and replace
[3:12] <Riccardo> in notepad
[3:13] <Riccardo> then comapred it with my to make sure it looked correct
[3:13] <_ph00> oop
[3:13] <_ph00> s
[3:13] <_ph00> my bad
[3:13] <_ph00> I was trying to add the wrong ref
[3:14] <Riccardo> k, freenet restarted with no other java stuff running
[3:15] <_ph00> send me your ref again
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[3:26] <Ricccardo> _ph00 sorry, had some serious IRM problem, was weird
[3:26] <_ph00> can you send the url to your refs again?
[3:26] <Ricccardo> http://code.bulix.org/7cs9bq-20920?raw
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[3:28] <Ricccardo> BTW, frost is now running, I guess I just needed a freenet restart
[3:30] <_ph00> yeah
[3:31] <_ph00> you also need to switch to linux, but that's another storyu...
[3:31] <_ph00> ?
[3:32] <Ricccardo> I'm working on it... trying to build a Fedora MythTV box and a CentOS server... when i master those I will do freenet on the
[3:32] <_ph00> this is the same refs as arson
[3:32] <Ricccardo> CentOS box
[3:32] <_ph00> are you also arson?
[3:32] <Ricccardo> oops, too many thing going, hand on
[3:32] <Ricccardo> http://code.bulix.org/7cs9bq-20920?raw this ismine for sure
[3:34] <_ph00> nope
[3:34] <_ph00> this is still arson116
[3:34] <Ricccardo> how wierd, lemme generate a new one
[3:34] <_ph00> ...maybe you share the same IP
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[3:34] <_ph00> such can happen
[3:35] <_ph00> with nat
[3:35] <_ph00> but then again, both un-named, and both changed name to arson 116
[3:35] <_ph00> and the same signature key?
[3:36] <Ricccardo> dunno know, let's try this one http://code.bulix.org/5n1glq-21060?raw
[3:41] <_ph00> this worked
[3:41] <Ricccardo> cool, gotta log off, gotta get some zzzzs
[3:42] <Ricccardo> freenet will stay running for ya tho
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[5:57] <lokadin> say is there a freenet wiki of any kind?
[5:57] <lokadin> as in a wiki that can be had on freenet?
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[6:02] <lokadin> join #freenet-refs
[6:02] <lokadin> oops
[6:02] <lokadin> does jSite.jar work?
[6:02] <lokadin> cause it doesn't on my system :(
[6:02] <lokadin> java -jar jSite.jar
[6:02] <lokadin> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: de/todesbaum/jsite/main/Main (Unsupported major.minor version 49.0)
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[7:08] <QshelTier> lokadin, you need a java 1.5 for jSite.
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[11:28] <lionking> is there somone who knows jsite?
[11:32] <CIA-14> mrogers * r10706 /trunk/apps/load-balancing-sims/phase6/Peer.java: Process acks before data (acks may enlarge the congestion window)
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[11:38] <geeku> hmm
[11:43] <nextgens> lionking> QshelTier wrote it
[11:44] <lionking> ive got jsite, but it doesn't connect
[11:44] <nextgens> it's likely to be a FCP problem rather that a jsite one
[11:45] <nextgens> frost/thaw work ?
[11:46] <lionking> yes frost works
[11:47] <nextgens> no idea then :|
[11:49] <lionking> ive got it. you gave me the hint. i had the wrong port adress, i took it from the fcp and it works
[11:52] <MineHaunter> This is something like a feature request for jSite: currently you can only insert USK freesites but it would be nice to have an option to insert plain SSK sites (that is, without editions). It shouldn't be too hard :)
[11:53] <lionking> so i created a project in jsite and added my files. but now it says that i have to insert an index-file
[11:54] <lionking> where can i do that, the button for index is inactive
[11:54] <MineHaunter> lionking: the index is the default file for the site, the home page
[11:54] <MineHaunter> lionking: select a file (the home page) and the button will become active
[11:55] <lionking> ah thanks
[11:55] <lionking> ok its loading, in a few days it wil be ready :D
[11:57] <MineHaunter> What are backedoffPercent and pInstantReject values? I guess pInstantReject is how many request my node backs off and backedoffPercent how many request have been backed off by my peers, is this right?
[11:57] <lionking> i think so
[11:57] <nextgens> bbl
[11:58] <nextgens> Don't worry if the mailing lists are a bit laggy today
[11:58] <nextgens> I'm reprocessing pipermail archives
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[12:54] <lionking> hi
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[15:05] <Caco_Patane> Hallo
[15:05] <_ph00> hey caco
[15:06] <Caco_Patane> hey _ph00
[15:06] <Caco_Patane> i've killed my gentoo box (going from gcc3 to gcc4)
[15:06] <Caco_Patane> have to install freenet again
[15:07] <Caco_Patane> don't know why my old node is not working
[15:07] <Caco_Patane> =/
[15:07] <_ph00> I switched back to ubuntu
[15:07] <_ph00> after traying a bunch of distros, I decided that ubuntu was what I needed, mostly beacuse lots of stuff work out of the box
[15:08] <_ph00> ...as I screw up my box fairly often...
[15:08] <_ph00> uning a quickly reinstallable distro is important.
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[15:10] <_ph00> what's the problem with the node? youtryes do figure that out by looking at the logs?
[15:10] <_ph00> tried*
[15:12] <Caco_Patane> the logs say that the node starts correctly
[15:13] <Caco_Patane> but nor FCP, Fproxy and TMCI ports are listening
[15:13] <_ph00> weird
[15:13] <Caco_Patane> i was thinking about reintall and then put my old configuration on the new install
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[15:14] <Caco_Patane> that node was running since testnet, it's a little buggy
[15:14] <_ph00> wait for some dev firts
[15:14] <_ph00> hm...
[15:14] <_ph00> it's the same node you had on testnet?
[15:14] <_ph00> not good
[15:14] <Caco_Patane> it was the same
[15:14] <_ph00> and not anonymous (but you don't care much abou that.)
[15:15] <Caco_Patane> it was not installed with the installer
[15:15] <_ph00> not with this nickname, at least
[15:15] <Caco_Patane> i've only created new conf file and dumped the datastore to use it on darknet
[15:15] <_ph00> so basically it is a new node
[15:15] <_ph00> no
[15:15] <_ph00> not really
[15:15] <_ph00> same ref
[15:16] <Caco_Patane> mmm, the wrapper was copied manually
[15:16] <Caco_Patane> the update scripts too
[15:16] <_ph00> k
[15:16] <_ph00> well, reinstall it then
[15:16] <Caco_Patane> resuming, i will install a fresh node
[15:16] <Caco_Patane> it would be usefull as usability test
[15:16] <_ph00> but maybe it would be intresting to find out why it quitted
[15:17] <Caco_Patane> the mailing lists were quiet
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[15:19] <_ph00> I have a small problem too: freenet is takning too mych cpu (between 40 and 65%)
[15:20] <_ph00> much*
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[15:30] <Caco_Patane> _ph00 i've swithed to Sun JVM
[15:31] <Caco_Patane> 'they' (???) say that it's faster
[15:31] <_ph00> oh yeah? what did you have before?
[15:31] <Caco_Patane> Blackdown
[15:31] <_ph00> I always use sun's
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[15:54] <lionking> does any serch system exists in freenet?
[15:56] <lionking> ?
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[18:40] <ossa> We will choose death before dishonor!
[18:42] <cyberdo> what about "LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1"? does anyone remember?
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[18:55] <HotTuna> hi
[18:56] <HotTuna> Whats happening on the development front now ?
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[19:14] <jez> Is there a way I can learn more about the planned mechanism of data transfer over the Freenet network, using modified HTTP requests to steganographically embed network messanges?
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[19:17] <sleon> jez: and why ?
[19:17] <sleon> jez: are you from fbi? ;) *joke*
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[19:20] <lionking> there are freesites who expains the new protocol fntp ore something else...
[19:21] <jez> sleon: i'm thinking of doing something similar for my university project, and i don't really want to be accused of re-inventing a wheelo
[19:21] <jez> -o
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[19:23] <fasta> Can I send a N2NTM to someone with a red version?
[19:28] <MineHaunter> jez: freenet won't use steganography for a while... not in 0.7 afaik
[19:29] <HotTuna> stenography is somewhat useless in an opensourced project
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[19:30] <hjubal> hi HotTuna :)
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[19:31] <MineHaunter> HotTuna: it can fool protocol-analyzing routers which slow down or block non-http, unless they implement a specific anti-freenet filter
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[19:33] <_lamarelle974> mine is http://dark-code.bulix.org/igebf7-20921?raw who add
[19:35] <HotTuna> Isnt that a very likely scenario?
[19:35] <HotTuna> If you indeed need the stenography there is going to be an opposite to you.
[19:35] <HotTuna> someone who doesnt want you to hide.
[19:36] <HotTuna> hi hjubal :)
[19:36] <HotTuna> = isps that see freenet as a threat in any way will block it.. and do so easily..
[19:36] <MineHaunter> Currently some ISPs are deploying router that hinder non-http or non-email traffic to slow down P2P applications
[19:37] <HotTuna> yes
[19:37] <Zothar_Work> fasta: yes, but they have to try to connect before getting it, thus they'll receive it when their status goes to TOO OLD, TOO NEW or they upgrade and go to CONNECTED. (It's queued until it can be sent)
[19:37] <MineHaunter> for a router developer it will be more expensive to add filter to counter specific p2p app
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[19:37] <MineHaunter> while, as it is now, it's just as simple as slowing down anything not http or not email
[19:38] <HotTuna> but still it wont be very expensive, not when compared to getting sued or even forced out of business ( as in china for example)
[19:38] <HotTuna> hjubal: how did i2p work out for you?
[19:38] <Zothar_Work> note that 0.7 is not strictly fingerprintable by packet signature, though maybe by traffic patterns (or currently by packet size for handshake requests)
[19:39] <HotTuna> yes :)
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[20:50] <Stryke3> hallo all
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[21:32] <Stryke3> So, Freenet says I'm behind a NAT, yet I'm forwarding the port correctly. I have no trouble with any other apps on my pc for which I forward.
[21:32] <Stryke3> Anybody else have this trouble?
[21:33] <Stryke3> I've restarted several times after setting up the PF. I've tried 3 different port numbers (from 25xxx-55xxx), and I have no idea why it's giving me trouble.
[21:39] <nextgens> cyberdo> EvilNTPL workaround on linux
[21:40] <cyberdo> nextgens: but it screwed up my nide
[21:40] <nextgens> if you have a recent glibc
[21:41] <nextgens> it might indeed
[21:41] <nextgens> Skymaker> are you forwarding the port as UDP ?
[21:41] <cyberdo> ok.. so it's "fixed" in later versions of glibc, or is it "unfixabe" for the time being?
[21:41] <nextgens> Skymaker> how does "forwarding the port" affects the statement "you're behind a nat" ?
[21:42] <nextgens> cyberdo> I don't know what the current status of the bug is on recent libc
[21:42] <nextgens> my debian isn't recent enough ;)
[21:42] <cyberdo> ah
[21:42] <cyberdo> if it hangs, I'll let you know ;o)
[21:43] <nextgens> if you're using the wrapper, you can turn it off anyway
[21:43] <nextgens> the problem is that you won't notice it
[21:43] <nextgens> usually it's the PacketSender thread wich freeze
[21:43] <nextgens> meaning that your node loose connectivity
[21:43] <cyberdo> I'm not.. I began my own shellscript, and I'm still using it
[21:43] <nextgens> but fproxy will be responsive
[21:44] <nextgens> you shouldn't :)
[21:44] <cyberdo> so all other nodes will be disconnected?
[21:44] <cyberdo> or they'll just freeze?
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[21:45] <nextgens> they will freeze
[21:46] <nextgens> your node will be "backoffed" from them
[21:46] <Stryke3> nextgens> Are you talking to me (Skymaker?) ?
[21:46] <nextgens> and the traffic will be "hung"
[21:46] <nextgens> hence it's *bad* for the network
[21:46] <nextgens> Stryke3> yes, sorry
[21:47] <cyberdo> nextgens: ok.. tnx
[21:47] <Stryke3> np. Well, in the Home page for FreeNet, it says "Your internet connection appears to be behind a port-restricted NAT (router). You will be able to connect to most other users, but not those behind symmetric NATs."
[21:47] <cyberdo> guell I'll notice if everything stops working then
[21:48] <Stryke3> Yet I'm PFing the correct port (listed in Freenet.ini under Node.listenport). I was forwarding both TCP & UDP, but now just UDP (in case my router is buggy)
[21:48] <nextgens> cyberdo> watch logs out
[21:48] <nextgens> cyberdo> the error will be caught
[21:48] <Stryke3> *node.listenPort
[21:48] <cyberdo> is the wrapper-thingy downloadable from any place, or just bundled in the installer?
[21:49] <_ph00> http://plod.popoever.com/upfiles/img/050615/Good_evening.jpg
[21:49] <nextgens> it's downloadable on their website
[21:49] <nextgens> but then you've to tweak the config. file for freenet's puropose
[21:49] <nextgens> *purpose
[21:49] <nextgens> or grab it from the tarball
[21:50] <nextgens> cyberdo> it's on our download site iirc
[21:50] <nextgens> in the /alpha/installer folder
[21:50] <fasta> Zothar_Work: You answer makes little sense to me. Please clarify
[21:50] <cyberdo> nextgens: no, but there's selfextractpack.jar and so on
[21:50] <cyberdo> I'll find it
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[21:51] <nextgens> toad hasn't shown up today ?
[21:52] <fasta> Can I send a N2NTM to someone with a red version? Sending means that the person will receive it when he doesn't upgrade.
[21:53] <Zothar_Work> fasta: simpler version: all attempts to send N2NTMs will either be sent immediately or queued; if your node is actively talking with the peer either in normal status or in TOO OLD or TOO NEW status, then the message will be sent right away, but N2NTMs are queued for disconnected peers
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[21:54] <fasta> Zothar_Work: ok, so they will also be _received_ on the other side?
[21:54] <Zothar_Work> fasta: put another way, if the peer is up, they'll get it right away (or the next time they come out of BUSY/BACKED OFF)
[21:54] <fasta> Zothar_Work: ok, thank you
[21:54] <Zothar_Work> fasta: yes, because N2NTMs can only be sent to directly connected peers that you're having an ongoing conversation with
[21:55] <fasta> Zothar_Work: it could be that protocol incompatibilies would be introduced (which would be unlikely, though).
[21:56] <Zothar_Work> fasta: it would require a major protocol version change for there to be problems; I will add the one caveat that if the peer is running an "ancient" version (pre-850 or something), then it won't work
[21:57] <fasta> Zothar_Work: ok, thanks for your clarified answer.
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[22:05] <Zothar_Work> nextgens: no, haven't seen toad_ today
[22:06] <Zothar_Work> nextgens: let me know when you're ready to do the svn dump we were talking about last week
[22:08] <cyberdo> # Output Rate: 49 Bps
[22:08] <cyberdo> # Input Rate: 1.39 KiBps
[22:08] <cyberdo> not a good sign ;o/
[22:09] <Zothar_Work> cyberdo: your nodeAveragePingTime is below 1000, right? I've had trouble with ping times getting bad after the node's been up a day or two, reject rates going high and throughput dropping; the problem seems to be a mixture of Freenet caused CPU usage growth and/or OOMs
[22:10] <cyberdo> I've got OOMs from time to time
[22:10] <cyberdo> but this could be related to the KERNELVERSION-thhingy with glibc
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[22:28] <MineHaunter> the "% Time Routable" column reports 99% on a peer who is almost always reported as "BACKED OFF"
[22:28] <MineHaunter> is this correct?
[22:28] <MineHaunter> doesn't "backed off" mean no routing to that node?
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[23:09] <TheSeeker> http://www.businessjive.com/nss/darkside.html :/
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[23:16] <Zothar_Work> MineHaunter: "BACKED OFF" means we don't route new requests to that node, but the isRoutable() internal function returns true for such peers, and that's the meaning of routable that % Time Routable uses (it uses that function to decide actually)
[23:18] <Zothar_Work> MinHaunter: "BACKED OFF" does not mean there isn't normal traffic, we just route new to us requests or inserts to that peer
[23:18] <Zothar_Work> we just don't route new...
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[23:23] <Zothar_Work> and of course, I tend to forget this term, but for completeness: s/function/method/
[23:35] <MineHaunter> oh I see
[23:36] <MineHaunter> but if the "% Time Routable" column was added to rate the performance of a peer, then imho it should be changed
[23:38] <MineHaunter> a peer which is in "backed off" state 100% of the time does no good
[23:38] <MineHaunter> as it if was disconnected
[23:38] <MineHaunter> or am I missing something? :)
[23:44] <lionking> where do you see the % routable column?
[23:45] <MineHaunter> http://127.0.0.1:8888/darknet/
[23:46] <MineHaunter> it has been added in some build of 991, if you don't have it you should update to see it
[23:46] <lionking> hm ill look
[23:47] <lionking> where can i find the build-number?
[23:48] <MineHaunter> in home page
[23:48] <MineHaunter> under section "Version Information & Node Control"
[23:49] <lionking> i dont have this section
[23:50] <lionking> oh ok iv got 990
[23:50] <lionking> no 991, it is written in my ref
[23:52] <MineHaunter> go to config and switch to "Advanced Darknet" so the node will show you more infos/options
[23:52] <lionking> advanced darknet is swiched on
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[23:55] <MineHaunter> odd
[23:57] <lionking> what?
[23:58] <MineHaunter> that you don't have "Version Information & Node Control" section :)
[23:59] <lionking> hm ive a configuration section and a status section
[23:59] <lionking> * Home
[23:59] <lionking> * Plugins
[23:59] <lionking> * Configuration
[23:59] <lionking> * Darknet
[23:59] <lionking> * Queue
[23:59] <lionking> * Statistics
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