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[0:00] <thill2708> I put myself up on dark-code.bulix.org, as well
[0:00] <_ph00> what are you doing exactly, looking for refs on bulix.org and adding them to your node?
[0:00] <thill2708> heh, yeah
[0:00] <_ph00> that's not enough
[0:00] <thill2708> it works two ways, right?
[0:00] <_ph00> delete all of them
[0:00] <thill2708> I connect to them, and they me?
[0:00] <_ph00> right
[0:00] <_ph00> one at the time
[0:00] <thill2708> alright, they're all gone
[0:00] <_ph00> first delete all the peers you added
[0:00] <_ph00> ok
[0:00] <_ph00> now copy your own url, the url to your refs
[0:01] <_ph00> and post it on #freenet-refs
[0:01] <_ph00> ask who wants to peer,
[0:01] <thill2708> ah
[0:01] <_ph00> those who want, will add you as a peer and they 'll give you the iurl to their refs
[0:01] <thill2708> ah
[0:01] <_ph00> you add one, he adds you, *then* you connect
[0:02] <thill2708> I see
[0:02] <_ph00> bulix.org has is not connected to freenet, that's only a pastebin, a site where you can paste code for other proplr to see
[0:03] <_ph00> OK, so now you giot it, just go there and start adding peers, and getting added. you want to get ~10 connected peers
[0:03] <thill2708> so this part of the program isn't automated in any way - why?
[0:03] <_ph00> because
[0:03] <_ph00> it can be done
[0:03] <_ph00> but
[0:04] <_ph00> what your node would be doing then, would be like standing on a rooftop and shouting "hey! there's a freeneto node here, athe this IP! Anyione wants to connect?"
[0:04] <_ph00> which is not exactly safe
[0:05] <_ph00> with darknet (manually adding peers) you can actually choose who you want to peer with: now this is still experimental, but the poit is that you can connect to people you know and trust only, if you want to
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[0:06] <_ph00> that can be very useful in non-free countries (or, even-less-free-than-us)
[0:06] <_ph00> or if freenet gets banned
[0:06] <thill2708> oh, I get it
[0:06] <_ph00> in such scenarios, you don't want your node to be telling the world you run freenet
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[0:07] <thill2708> crazy, thanks ph00
[0:08] <_ph00> np
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[1:18] -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, we've had quite a few people asking whether the memorial site for Rob Levin (lilo) is online yet, and I am happy to inform you all that you can now leave your condolences and read what others have to say over at http://lilo.freenode.net Have a good evening and thank you for using freenode!
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[2:15] <rebo123> Hello
[2:15] <rebo123> I have a question..
[2:15] <rebo123> Can I control the size of my cache?
[2:19] <TheSeeker> isn't cache/store size a basic option on the config page?
[2:21] <_ph00> or is it one of the 'advanced' fratures?
[2:21] <_ph00> (in which case you'll have to enable 'advanced darknet' to see iy)
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[4:23] <_ph00> my node is temporarly down
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[4:54] <ines0gama> Jesus, has anyone see Yahoo's new beta interface? It's fsc*** full of ads!
[4:55] <rebo123> orly?
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[5:22] <troythered> It isn't a problem to have 2 computers on a lan running freenet while sharing the same IP is it? As long as they are both forwarded correctly in the router?
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[10:02] <TheSeeker> grr, I want to getchkonly a file, but don't want to compress it ... how do I do this? x_x
[10:03] <sbc> This might sound silly, but do very long node names somehow mess up connections? I have had some very stable peers but out of the blue this morning very few of them are connected. Only thing I can think of is that I changed the node name last night.
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[10:26] <fridim> hi
[10:29] <drmabuse> hi
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[11:04] <RRRR> hi
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[11:12] <RRRR> hi
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[11:21] <CIA-14> nextgens * r10702 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/plugins/Hsqldb.java: Thaw: prevent thaw from starting if the DB provider can't be loaded
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[11:25] <Jflesch> nextgens: If you want to kill Thaw, I think a popup should be displayed to explain why ?
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[11:59] <lysergic> for some reason every freesite link i have tried on Indicia never loads
[12:19] <nextgens> hey toad_ :)
[12:20] <nextgens> Jflesch> hmm, I don't see the point of using a popup for a fatal error :)
[12:21] <_ph00> he's alive!
[12:21] <_ph00> (probably)
[12:22] <Jflesch> nextgens: avoid users asking all the time "why Thaw doesn't start anymore ?" ? :)
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[12:22] <_ph00> idle
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[14:05] <latenxxx> hi
[14:06] <latenxxx> how to search for freenet webpages?
[14:08] <latenxxx> hello...
[14:08] <latenxxx> anyone here?
[14:10] <Zothar_Work> The Librarian plugin is the closest to that. See the wiki
[14:12] <RRRR> hi
[14:13] <latenxxx> i c
[14:13] <latenxxx> but how can i find now a certain webpage or file in freenet?
[14:14] <latenxxx> especially im looking for moviez, gamez and music...
[14:16] <sbc> latenxxx: Pleas don't discuss specific content in this logged channel.
[14:17] <sbc> latenxxx: What ever your looking for, the indexs linked from the webinterface is one way to start. Another might be running frost.
[14:18] <latenxxx> ok
[14:18] <latenxxx> ill try
[14:18] <latenxxx> im new to freenet
[14:18] <latenxxx> i heard that freenet is very much anonymous
[14:19] <latenxxx> so i can upload and download warez without consequences
[14:19] <latenxxx> and other illegal stuff
[14:20] <sbc> latenxxx: Freenet is very anonymous, but this channel is not. It is logged, so for your own sake, don't discuss specific content!
[14:20] <sbc> latenxxx: Welcome to freenet, by the way :)
[14:21] <latenxxx> ok thanks for advice
[14:21] <latenxxx> anyway im not discussing specific content - im talking generally :)
[14:22] <sbc> latenxxx: Your talking about up and downloading illegal stuff. Not a smart move.
[14:23] <latenxxx> well, i don't think that a general talk (even about such activities) is illegal...
[14:24] <latenxxx> besides everyone acts the same in the p2p community ;)
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[16:48] <sbc> There seems to be a bug with node names. I gave my node a very long name, and got no connections (for a long time), changed it back and got 5 connections in a matter of seconds. What ever node names don't work should not be possible to input in the Configuration menu.
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[17:04] <jez> Is there a way I can learn more about the planned mechanism of data transfer over the Freenet network, using modified HTTP requests to steganographically embed network messanges?
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[17:51] <jez> Is there a way I can learn more about the planned mechanism of data transfer over the Freenet network, using modified HTTP requests to steganographically embed network messanges?
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[18:04] <toad_> jez: you mean hiding freenet traffic in http? not planned for some time
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[18:16] <rebo123> Hello
[18:16] <rebo123> Can someone help me out with freemail?
[18:16] <rebo123> I can't find too much documentation on it
[18:16] <rebo123> What is it? How does it work? Does it work?
[18:17] <sbc> rebo123: http://wiki.freenetproject.org/Freemail
[18:17] <sbc> it workes (sometimes), and for me personally with very long delays.
[18:17] <rebo123> sbc: that site looks pretty outdated..
[18:18] <rebo123> It has only dead links
[18:18] <rebo123> is it really talking about the recent version?
[18:18] <rebo123> waitasecond
[18:18] <rebo123> nvm
[18:18] <rebo123> I was thinking of http://www.freenethelp.org:14741/FreeMail
[18:19] <sbc> rebo123: Now that's outdated! :)
[18:19] <rebo123> Yeah that's what I thought :)
[18:19] <rebo123> so.. let me get this straight
[18:19] <rebo123> when I create a mailidentity, I essentially insert a specially-formatted freesite
[18:20] <rebo123> and I tell everyone the key
[18:20] <rebo123> then, when someone wants to send me mail, they insert their message into freenet and..?
[18:20] <rebo123> how does it find its way to me?
[18:21] <sbc> The special freesite you insert tell people where to insert messages to you. So you look for them where you told people to place them.
[18:21] <sbc> (I'm not to much into the technical details).
[18:22] <rebo123> ah, I see
[18:22] <sbc> rebo123: If you try setting it up, do notice that there is no GUI or web interface for configuration.
[18:22] <rebo123> yes
[18:22] <rebo123> I see this: trying slotinsert to freenet:SSK@EqciBQg9IDTXxGhz~BIC...
[18:22] <rebo123> Trying that SSK@... key in fproxy fails
[18:23] <rebo123> Error: Invalid URI: Wrong extra bytes
[18:23] <rebo123> What does that mean
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[18:25] <sbc> rebo123: No idea :)
[18:25] <sbc> rebo123: Don't worry to much about it?
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[18:37] <rebo123> Hm ok
[18:37] <rebo123> also
[18:37] <rebo123> how does the 'short' email form work?
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[18:43] <sbc> rebo123: I think it inserts a KSK key, that points to your 'real' mail site. KSKs are less secure, but provides a way to actually remember you freemail adress.
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[18:50] <lionking> hi
[18:54] <lionking> spricht hier jemand deutsch?
[18:58] <lionking> ok if anyone reads this i've got a porblem, ive set up freenet but im getting the error "Unknown external address" on my main page (FProxy-page?) how do i fix it,
[18:58] <_ph00> thy with the good address in the "ip hint" line
[18:58] <_ph00> in the config page
[18:59] <_ph00> if that won't work, you could try "ip override"
[18:59] <rebo123> Ah, ty sbc
[18:59] <lionking> where is "ip hint" i cant find it in the configuration page
[19:00] <lionking> you meant this "IP address to bind to"
[19:00] <_ph00> in fproxy, click on configuration
[19:00] <_ph00> no
[19:00] <_ph00> there is (wait I'll check what it's called exactly)
[19:00] <lionking> yes configuration
[19:00] <lionking> ok
[19:01] <_ph00> a bit lower that bind to address
[19:01] <_ph00> you find !IP address override"
[19:01] <toad_> But why stop at child porn? There are tons of other sites that might cause people to do or think things
[19:01] <toad_> that might not be in the best interests of society! It is for this reason that I have decided to remove
[19:01] <toad_> all questionable material, anything that might lead someone to questionable material, or anything that
[19:01] <toad_> contains information that could aid someone in doing something questionable.
[19:01] <toad_> LOL
[19:01] <_ph00> then even lower
[19:01] <lionking> "Temporary IP address hint"
[19:01] <_ph00> you see "Temporary IP hint": try that one fiirst
[19:01] <lionking> ok
[19:01] <_ph00> yes
[19:02] <_ph00> then if that doesn??t work, try "IP address override"
[19:03] <_ph00> toad_- some didn't even getr that the guy was being sarcastinc
[19:03] <CIA-14> jflesch * r10703 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/plugins/index/IndexTree.java: Force index loading when adding an already existing index
[19:04] <_ph00> (on the other hand, you hear so much stuff of thet kind, that it's often hard to say when they're serious)
[19:04] <_ph00> that*
[19:04] <_ph00> Topic
[19:04] <_ph00> damn
[19:05] <_ph00> I men /topic...
[19:05] * toad_ wonders what dangerous act Indicia did and got fined for
[19:05] <_ph00> mean* (why don't I type more slowly ffs)
[19:05] <lionking> ok id doesnt work
[19:05] <toad_> smoking definitely doesn't fall under "put nobody but myself in danger"
[19:05] <_ph00> lionking: none of the two?
[19:05] <lionking> and where is "IP address override"
[19:06] <_ph00> a bit higher that ip hint
[19:06] <_ph00> smokinf is not as bad as they want us to believe. It *is* bad, but definetly not that bad
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[19:06] <lionking> on the whole congfig side is no "IP address override"
[19:07] <toad_> it killed my grandfather ...
[19:07] <_ph00> did you enable "advanced darknet"?
[19:07] <lionking> no
[19:07] <_ph00> surely not it alone
[19:07] <toad_> no, he worked in coal power stations for 20+ years too
[19:07] <_ph00> I know of people who lived 90 years tho they smoked like crazy
[19:07] <toad_> but smoking 60 a day won't have helped
[19:07] <_ph00> so *that* killed him, most likely
[19:08] <_ph00> (and smoking helped a bit, probably)
[19:08] <toad_> depends how much faith you have in peer reviewed research i suppose
[19:08] <toad_> all the science says smoking has a 50% fatality rate
[19:08] <_ph00> well, somking is definitely bad, expecialy when you're a chian smoker like myself
[19:08] <_ph00> chain*
[19:08] <lionking> ok that works
[19:09] <lionking> now i have the message no peers found
[19:09] <_ph00> but any healthy person can take some 5-6 smokes a day with no danger
[19:09] <toad_> how many healthy people are there?
[19:09] <_ph00> lionking: so now you have to add peers and egt them to add you
[19:09] <toad_> UGH
[19:09] <lionking> ok
[19:09] <toad_> everyone's favourite child porn site masquerading as a piece of parental advice is back
[19:10] <_ph00> well, OK, for an average person, I'd say that 3 smokes a day a re definetly no problem. so for example party-smoking is no problem
[19:10] <toad_> still, pron is only 51 sites out of 285
[19:10] <_ph00> is gobe down
[19:10] <_ph00> gone
[19:11] <toad_> unless the average porn site is several times bigger than the average site, we have a clear majority for non-porn
[19:11] <_ph00> I remember in the late 90 ppl used to say that some 90% of the internet was porn
[19:11] <toad_> it was then
[19:11] <_ph00> but that must be an exageration
[19:11] <toad_> compare search records
[19:11] <_ph00> maybe 70%
[19:11] <_ph00> yes
[19:11] <toad_> pornographers are early adopters
[19:11] <_ph00> it was much more then
[19:11] <rebo123> I'm a smoker
[19:11] <rebo123> I smoke a pack every 2 months on average
[19:12] <toad_> yes but won't freenet always have more child porn than the internet?
[19:12] <_ph00> you cound't search for *anything* without getting a bunch of porn hits
[19:12] <toad_> isn't that due to poor search engines? :)
[19:12] <_ph00> rebo123: you classify as a "party somker"
[19:12] <_ph00> I smoke 2 pack a day
[19:12] <_ph00> plus pipes and cigars sometimes
[19:12] <_ph00> (not even counting the funny stuff)
[19:13] <rebo123> funny stuff?
[19:13] <rebo123> Is that like new slang for pot?
[19:14] <toad_> _ph00: so air pollution is bad (working in a coal power station), but pumping toxic particles/chemicals directly into your lungs is okay?
[19:14] <_ph00> toad_: yes, probably. You ahd to manually register sites to search engines then, and porn people did that a lot
[19:14] <toad_> :)
[19:14] <_ph00> toad_: when did I say that smoking 2 packs a day is OK?
[19:14] <toad_> _ph00: they didn't have pagerank, just went by keywords ... the pron sites spammed all the keywords
[19:14] <toad_> _ph00: well you said it was probably the power station
[19:14] <_ph00> I said tyhat a few smokes a day is no problem. and it's not afaik
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[19:15] <_ph00> but it's still not good
[19:15] <toad_> hmmm ok
[19:15] <rebo123> ah
[19:15] <_ph00> I also said that smoking did its part too
[19:15] <toad_> no idea what the research says about low doses
[19:15] <rebo123> _ph00 how did you get your hostmask to be so cool?
[19:16] <rebo123> and you, too, toad_
[19:16] <toad_> toad_ is n=toad@pdpc/supporter/student/toad-with-underline
[19:16] <toad_> by donating to freenode perhaps?
[19:17] <_ph00> rebo123: ask a staffer for a cloak
[19:17] <rebo123> good idea
[19:17] <rebo123> where do I find staffers?
[19:18] <_ph00> do /starts -p
[19:18] <_ph00> stats
[19:18] <rebo123> End of /STATS report :(
[19:18] <rebo123> it's quite short
[19:18] <_ph00> maybe I 4emember it wrong...
[19:18] <_ph00> it was something like that
[19:20] <lionking> so next error, when i add one ref i get the messge "Unable to parse the given text as a node reference (freenet.io.comm.PeerParseException: Ignoring incompatible node null - peer.testnet=false(false) but node.testnet=true). Please try again."
[19:22] <toad_> lionking: you running a testnet node for some reason?
[19:22] <_ph00> you probably got a ref that's been manually edited before pasting, or not all lines got copied, or maybe you copied it badly
[19:22] <_ph00> oops
[19:22] <toad_> testnet should be false on both
[19:22] <_ph00> never mind
[19:22] <_ph00> (wrong error hehe)
[19:23] <_ph00> so testnet only connect to tstnet and darnet to darnlet?
[19:23] <_ph00> yeah, OK, don't mind the spelling...
[19:24] * toad_ wonders what idiot mirrored the plainly broken "This is not broken!" ...
[19:24] <toad_> still, we have HTRAJ ... not the Fly Plane yet though
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[19:32] <Jflesch> +s ... :/
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[19:38] <lionking> so another question witch port do i have to forward in my router to get conntctions
[19:40] <_ph00> one joins #freenet-refs, asks who??s from a particular country, then someone else answers,and he just stays there, no answer ro the answer: coud this be some agent guy looking for targets? (yes it could) I mean, I'm not being *too* paranoid, am I?
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[19:41] <_ph00> anyways
[19:41] <_ph00> I can't remeber when I noticed that I lost all my peers, and I can't find it in the logs (yes, I'll keep looking)
[19:41] <_ph00> anybody remember when that was?
[19:41] <Jflesch> _ph00: you're too paranoid ... :)
[19:42] <_ph00> heh
[19:42] <_ph00> not really
[19:42] <Jflesch> it's probably only a guy who was curious :)
[19:42] <_ph00> if I was I would at least try to hide my real identity somewhat better
[19:42] <hjubal> hello *, _ph00
[19:45] <_ph00> I train myself at thinking paranoidly, that can be useful in a (really near )futore. Actually it already is. It wasn't long ago in a pvt message exchange, that one said "we shouldn't be saying this, it's dangerous". Ppl are *afraid to talk*! (and they are damn right. This is like Nazi Germany, or Communist Russia (OK not quite, but close) so you want to learn paranoia
[19:45] <_ph00> pranoia saves lifes
[19:45] <_ph00> (and takes some, also)
[19:45] <_ph00> hi hjubal
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[19:45] <hjubal> :)
[19:46] <_ph00> you remember when I said that I had that problem with peers?
[19:47] <Jflesch> _ph00: for my part, I don't want to live my life being all the time afraid of everything
[19:47] <_ph00> I'm not afraid
[19:47] <toad_> _ph00: i plan to ignore them until they come for me in the night :)
[19:47] <_ph00> bad plan
[19:47] <toad_> how so?
[19:47] <Jflesch> _ph00: hmm .. the meaning of "paranoid" is, as far as I know, "afraid of everything" ?
[19:47] <toad_> if everyone does that, they'll go away
[19:48] <_ph00> my plan is to make it as difficult as possible to get me, and when they come, blow the house up with me and them inside
[19:48] <lionking> hey, i got another error "This node has not been able to connect to any other nodes so far; it will not be able to function normally. Hopefully some of your peers will connect soon; if not, try to get some more peers."
[19:48] <Jflesch> _ph00: I hope for you that you won't be alone in your house at this moment ;)
[19:48] <_ph00> well, I do live alone...
[19:49] <Jflesch> _ph00: hm, I mean: I hope they will really be inside
[19:49] <_ph00> buty I live in an apartment building, so trhat could do some damage to innocent ppl...
[19:49] <Jflesch> hm ... yes ... maybe it's not a very "nice" solution then ...
[19:49] <_ph00> nope
[19:50] <_ph00> and I havent gotten any explosives yet
[19:50] <_ph00> or started to learn how to use them
[19:50] <toad_> cyanide maybe ... but i would point out that you only need that if you really do have privelidged information which would endanger the lives of others
[19:50] <Jflesch> you don't need explosives ... gas is enought to destroy a house quickly :)
[19:50] <_ph00> cyanide is also an option yes
[19:50] <toad_> frankly it's not got that bad yet
[19:51] <lionking> can anyone help me please
[19:51] <_ph00> if the alternative is guantanamo, abu ghraib, etc... I'd choose cyanide
[19:51] <_ph00> ok
[19:51] <_ph00> back on topic
[19:51] <toad_> although i'm sure they can intern a few citizens if they want to...
[19:51] <_ph00> what's the prb lionking ?
[19:51] <toad_> lionking: you need some connections
[19:51] <lionking> i got another error "This node has not been able to connect to any other nodes so far; it will not be able to function normally. Hopefully some of your peers will connect soon; if not, try to get some more peers."
[19:51] <toad_> yes, they can torture citizens too as long as they never let them out
[19:51] <lionking> ive got 8 peers
[19:51] <_ph00> you porbably added some peers who didn't add you
[19:51] <toad_> lionking: hmmm
[19:52] <_ph00> did they add you?
[19:52] <toad_> lionking: are they listed as CONNECTED on your Darknet page?
[19:52] <lionking> yes
[19:52] <lionking> status: Never conected
[19:52] <toad_> _ph00: seriously, you're more likely to kill yourself due to mental illness than you are to be interned and tortured
[19:53] <toad_> mental illness ... such as a paranoid belief that they're out to get you and stick you in guantanamo
[19:54] <toad_> they can only disappear high value targets; a very limited number of them
[19:54] <toad_> lionking: did they add your reference?
[19:54] <lionking> yes
[19:54] <_ph00> toad_: I've been in some police station as a suspect, and for "small" stuff, (we're all been young...). I can tell you this, not all the police is like what you have in the UK. they do beat people and stuff, even when they aren't trying to get informations, they do that for fun! And I'm not talking about africa or south america, but in the EU and US
[19:55] <toad_> _ph00: the uk cops do too sometimes
[19:55] <toad_> only when they think they'll get away with it though
[19:55] <toad_> it's an aberration; it's not mundane, like it is in e.g. turkey
[19:55] <Jflesch> _ph00: from where are you ?
[19:55] <toad_> but i can't say i have personal experience
[19:55] <_ph00> maybe they're getting worse... when I was there in 92/93 they didn't. Not as much as in southern/eastern eu or the us
[19:56] <toad_> i doubt very much that there are more beatings; there are far more lawsuits, much more likely to get caught nowadays
[19:56] <toad_> lionking: and they're all NOT CONNECTED ?
[19:56] <toad_> lionking: err, DISCONNECTED ?
[19:56] <toad_> lionking: you're sure they added you?
[19:56] <toad_> lionking: did your noderef have an IP address when they added you?
[19:57] <_ph00> toad_: the mediterranean side of EU is not much worse then turkey. well it is,worse that turkey, but it's way worse than you think anyway. You assume that a civilized country don't allow such behaviors... but look at the "sdemocracy exporters" themselves...
[19:57] * rebo123 is now known as rebo123_
[19:57] <_ph00> (should we quite the OT?)
[19:57] <_ph00> quit*
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[19:57] <toad_> lionking: does your ref have an IP address now?
[19:57] <lionking> http://dark-code.bulix.org/s441zq-20976?raw
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[19:58] <toad_> lionking: are there any messages on the homepage about NATs?
[19:58] <lionking> no i have only the one error message on the main page
[19:58] <lionking> Current Activity
[19:58] <lionking> * Inserts: 0
[19:58] <lionking> * Requests: 0
[19:58] <lionking> * Transferring Requests: 0
[19:59] <lionking> * ARK Fetch Requests: 8
[19:59] <toad_> _ph00: the "civilised" countries have effective legal systems, and in most cases even the not so well off have access to justice; of course the police close ranks, but even so, there are limits
[19:59] <toad_> lionking: hmm, your noderef does have an ip addresss
[19:59] <toad_> lionking: get one more noderef
[19:59] <toad_> lionking: see if that helps
[20:00] <lionking> http://dark-code.bulix.org/o4f6es-21022 is that one better
[20:00] <_ph00> well, that (partially) true in UK and scandinavia. down here, cops can do what they want, even kill people because they didn't stop at a red light, and they won't even get suspended from service. But OK, that doesn't happen every day. Beatings and tortures do, and no cop gets in trouble for that
[20:00] <toad_> _ph00: whereas in e.g. china, testimony obtained under torture is admissible as evidence...
[20:01] <_ph00> here too.
[20:01] <toad_> legally? or de facto?
[20:01] <_ph00> de facto
[20:01] <toad_> where do you live, belarus?
[20:01] <lionking> i think its another ip
[20:01] <toad_> :)
[20:01] <_ph00> lecgally it's not, and torturing/beating are banned
[20:01] <_ph00> toad, I live (well my IP will tell you that)
[20:01] <toad_> lionking: hmm, you pasted somebody else's ref the first time
[20:01] <toad_> _ph00: :)
[20:01] <_ph00> in the southern side of the EU
[20:02] <toad_> fair enough
[20:02] * _rebo123 is now known as rebo123
[20:02] <_ph00> and I know what'm talking about: it lod you, I've been there
[20:02] <toad_> _ph00: well, here, there's an enquiry whenever anyone gets shot by police, lots of trouble
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[20:02] <_ph00> told*
[20:03] <toad_> doesn't mean the perps are punished, but it does provide a deterrent
[20:03] <_ph00> there, the police don't carry uns "by default", and they have to warn "armed police" when they do
[20:03] <toad_> right
[20:03] <_ph00> here, they have loaded guns all the times, and they will use them... not as much as in the US, but they do
[20:04] <_ph00> but the main difference is attitude
[20:04] <toad_> is there inadequate access to lawyers? i mean, if somebody gets beaten up by cops, here there is usually access to justice, or at least media coverage
[20:05] * toad_ wonders what the rule is about confession retractions
[20:06] <toad_> e.g. if you plead innocent, and they bring out some confession they beat out of you, you can claim it's a fabrication, in which case they'll have to play the video, which will prove it was under torture; or you can claim it was under duress, in which case you've got a good chance of convincing a jury if not a judge
[20:06] <_ph00> in nothern europe, like UK and scandinavia, poice are "fine" people, fairly educated, and they see themselve as an help for society, at the citizens' service, and their job as seeing that the law is observed. Down here, police are "mad cowboys" that see themselves as "above the law", and their job as "imposing order"
[20:06] <_ph00> completely wrong attitude
[20:06] <toad_> like the US?
[20:06] <_ph00> basically yes
[20:06] <_ph00> they shoot a bit less
[20:06] <_ph00> but the attitude is basically the same
[20:06] <toad_> lionking: my apologies...
[20:07] <toad_> lionking: see if you can get another noderef
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[20:07] <toad_> lionking: does the node say anyhting about firewalls/NATs on http://127.0.0.1:8888/ ?
[20:07] <toad_> _ph00: don't you think hardball is required when dealing with e.g. the mafia? :)
[20:08] <_ph00> if you can't afford a lwayer, the law says you 'll get one, but he/she won't give a shit, he'll be sitting there without saying anything, and when the prosecution is done, he 'll say the "I appeal to the court's clemecy"
[20:08] <toad_> :|
[20:08] <_ph00> well, mafia is a thing, and youn people smoking pot is other
[20:08] <toad_> yeah that sucks
[20:09] <robox> help please. i accidently paste my reference on freenet-refs on frost. how high is the damage? what can i do to rescue the situation? tnx4help
[20:09] <toad_> robox: under your frost identity
[20:09] <toad_> ?
[20:09] <robox> i have 2 frost identities
[20:09] <toad_> robox: people can connect your IP address from your noderef with your frost identity
[20:10] <toad_> robox: the one you posted it as
[20:10] <toad_> robox: if that identity is worthless, then it's just the fact that your node is known (but not who runs it)
[20:11] <robox> in which case the identity is worthless (im noob)?
[20:12] <rebo123> ok
[20:12] <rebo123> I'm back
[20:12] <toad_> robox: yeah, if you haven't posted under the identity for anything else, you're fine, except that your node is no longer dark
[20:12] <rebo123> rebo123 is n=rebo123@unaffiliated/rebo123 * aoeu
[20:12] <rebo123> yea that's right :)
[20:12] <rebo123> now NOBODY knows who I am
[20:12] <_ph00> they do
[20:12] <rebo123> err
[20:12] <toad_> but EVERYBODY knows that there's a node running at the IP address you posted
[20:12] <rebo123> LESS people know who I am
[20:13] <_ph00> it's a bit less easy to find out who you are
[20:13] <_ph00> and if you piss off someone they could get staffers to tell who you are (but they'll need a god reason to do that)
[20:14] <rebo123> right :)
[20:14] <rebo123> I'd say that's a lot less easy :)
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[20:14] <_ph00> in theory, they'd need a judge's warrant
[20:14] <_ph00> but that depends on different countries' laws
[20:15] <_ph00> anyways, it's a lot more difficult for average joe
[20:15] <rebo123> Hm
[20:15] <toad_> it depends on how good you are at writing threatening letters
[20:15] <rebo123> eh?
[20:15] <_ph00> heh
[20:15] <_ph00> of you don't piss off anyone, you're OK
[20:15] <toad_> if data protection is weak, they will give you what you want on the slightest insubstantial threat
[20:15] <rebo123> I was going to post an open letter on Frost expressing my radical political views
[20:15] <robox> toad. i posted several messages, all refering to my reference... and i than accidently forgot to encrypt one message (with my ref)
[20:16] <_ph00> rebo123: you can do that on frost
[20:16] <toad_> in fact, i rather suspect you can manage it even with strong data protection laws in most cases
[20:16] <toad_> rebo123: good idea, don't use the same identity though
[20:16] <_ph00> as long as you aren't recognizable
[20:16] <rebo123> ;)
[20:16] <rebo123> is there a clean way to keep multiple identities in Frost?
[20:17] <TheSeeker> rebo123: use the CVS version
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[20:19] <_ph00> toad_: as for the data protection law thing, I always assume that they will giove any data to anyone at the first request without even questioning. That way, reality can only be better than what I assumed, not worse
[20:19] <rebo123> TheSeeker: sounds like a plan..
[20:19] <rebo123> TheSeeker: Is there a precompiled version?
[20:19] <toad_> _ph00: indeed
[20:20] <toad_> _ph00: assume that your IP address betrays your real identity, even if you couldn't easily get realID from an {IP,time} pair yourself
[20:20] <_ph00> I assume IP = real ID
[20:20] <toad_> right
[20:20] <_ph00> like a telephone number
[20:21] <toad_> you just have to ask the telco
[20:21] <_ph00> and ISP will tell what pages you visited and when
[20:21] <toad_> or have a reverse lookup disk (illegal for civilians in the UK)
[20:21] <_ph00> and google will hand over all your gmail traffic
[20:21] <toad_> right
[20:21] <toad_> despite the lawsuit :)
[20:21] <rebo123> bastards
[20:22] <toad_> did google win the suit btw?
[20:22] <_ph00> complaining won't help. knowing how they do does
[20:22] <_ph00> so, as long as you don't use really good anonymizing stuff, you're basically signing all your traffic with first and last name
[20:22] <_ph00> and social scurity number
[20:23] <toad_> you could make the point by automatically uploading your browser history to your homepage on a crontab ;)
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[20:24] <toad_> ISPs could offer this service as an optional extra for nutters and folk with a porn problem :)
[20:25] <_ph00> btw how much does tor help for the ISP problem? is it real that they will only be able to say that you access tor servers (OK that should be asked on #tor, and the anser is yes as long as you don't do mistakes)
[20:31] <toad_> in theory
[20:31] <toad_> tor is centralized, and many of the nodes could be evil - enough of them to break it, perhaps
[20:31] <toad_> and there's a big list of all the nodes downloaded with the original client
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[20:31] <rebo123> Hi mineHaunter!
[20:32] <MineHaunter> hi
[20:32] <toad_> oh and if you don't trust your ISP you're in serious trouble anyway (where did you get tor from? that's right, you downloaded it...)
[20:32] <rebo123> Have you tried freemail?
[20:32] <rebo123> It looks really cool!
[20:33] <toad_> did you even take the basic precaution of downloading every piece of software from an SSL server, or checking the signature and obtaining the key reliably out of band? of course not ...
[20:33] <toad_> => your ISP can screw you
[20:33] <_ph00> what do you mean 'if you don't trust your isp'? how could I trust them? they're a big corp after all, you don't trust those
[20:34] <_ph00> so basically the problem is
[20:34] <toad_> the basic problem is people download unsigned software from the internet
[20:34] <_ph00> no matter how much you use tor, your isp can scrwe you anyway
[20:34] <toad_> e.g. graphics drivers
[20:34] <toad_> possibly tor
[20:34] <toad_> etc
[20:34] <toad_> freenet even!
[20:34] <TheSeeker> rebo123: there's no precompiled version, the database format isn't finalized yet.
[20:35] <toad_> and by "unsigned", i mean not signed with a signature you have out-of-band reasons to trust
[20:35] <toad_> SSL with a commercial cert gives some level of security
[20:35] <toad_> but not much
[20:35] <toad_> at least, not from what i've heard about domain registrars ...
[20:35] <toad_> maybe verisign et al are better than that...
[20:35] <toad_> anyway they're an Evil Corporation
[20:36] <toad_> trust is hard
[20:36] <_ph00> hm
[20:37] <_ph00> maybe someone should set up "trustwothy ISPs"... but how do you do that?
[20:37] <toad_> if you don't trust anyone, you've got problems
[20:37] <toad_> _ph00: like trustworthy corporations?
[20:37] <rebo123> TheSeeker: I see.
[20:37] <toad_> and trustworthy governments?
[20:38] <_ph00> I guess I can trus someone... but mainly private citizens, I don't tink it's possible to trust a corp
[20:38] <toad_> let alone a government
[20:38] <_ph00> see? that's exactly what I mean. you can't do that
[20:38] <toad_> well, there are better structures for corps e.g. co-operatives
[20:38] <toad_> but anything operating in the real world is vulnerable to coercion in the real world by those who own all the guns
[20:39] <_ph00> how about getting some guns?
[20:39] <_ph00> nah
[20:39] <toad_> :)
[20:39] <_ph00> the bigger gun wins
[20:39] <_ph00> and we'd have a small one
[20:39] * toad_ thinks the time for civil war is not yet upon us :)
[20:40] <toad_> it may come, but not for a while
[20:40] <_ph00> it will
[20:40] <toad_> right now our business is building the future, not demolishing the past
[20:40] * greycat (i=rfc1413@) Quit ("This time the bullet cold rocked ya / A yellow ribbon instead of a swastika")
[20:40] <toad_> look at all the states that have had revolutions; they have 100 years of war, they have strange governments...
[20:41] <toad_> not to mention lots and lots of dead bodies
[20:41] <_ph00> and I'm not sure I can survive that. I must get myself a status as a leader, so I can get someon else to do the real fighting for me, or I'm screwed
[20:41] <toad_> heh
[20:41] <toad_> we're nowhere near
[20:41] <toad_> i mean, we're having this conversation
[20:41] <_ph00> yeah...
[20:41] <_ph00> but that's their technique
[20:42] <toad_> on a channel that we log ourselves, and that is probably logged by just about everyone else in the known universe too
[20:42] <_ph00> "you see? we're letting you talk like that, we're not evil..."
[20:42] <toad_> freedom of speech matters ...
[20:43] <toad_> you're unlikely to be interned and tortured for discussing revolutionary politics
[20:43] <_ph00> from a govt point of view we are "harmless liberal hipies"
[20:43] <_ph00> so far
[20:43] <rebo123> hey MineHaunter..
[20:43] <toad_> right, but a real totalitarian government would seek to kill dangerous ideas at source
[20:43] <rebo123> How come your node is offline?
[20:43] <_ph00> they arwe too smart to do that
[20:43] <nextgens> hi
[20:43] <toad_> nextgens: hi
[20:44] <nextgens> tooaaaad :)
[20:44] <nextgens> tell us about your trip
[20:44] <toad_> trip was very cool
[20:44] <toad_> san francisco / mountain view
[20:44] <_ph00> ..man... the colors...
[20:44] <toad_> one day business - conference at the Googleplex
[20:44] <_ph00> woah
[20:44] <toad_> with the other Summer of Code mentors, talking about Summer of Code things
[20:44] <_ph00> around half the world for onoe day thing
[20:45] <_ph00> that the jet era
[20:45] <toad_> the rest was tourism
[20:45] <toad_> and getting the laptop to work
[20:45] <toad_> _ph00: google paid for the flights, I stayed a few days each side of the conference on my own cost
[20:45] <_ph00> cool
[20:45] <toad_> though I worry that the cost combined with FOSDEM will push me back into serious debt...
[20:46] <_ph00> what?
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[20:46] <_ph00> you been in vegas?
[20:46] <toad_> visited two museums in mountain view, went to see the big trees in Muir Woods, etc...
[20:46] <nextgens> life use to be extensive there I guess
[20:46] <toad_> _ph00: no, SF
[20:46] <toad_> _ph00: first time outside europe
[20:46] <TheSeeker> toad: any news on recent research or development on the network's usability? simulations simulating anythign useful? etc.
[20:46] <_ph00> I know, I mean that doesn't sound like stuff that pushes one in serious debt
[20:47] <toad_> first time outside western europe ... first time outside England/Edinburgh/Brussels/Strasbourg
[20:47] <toad_> yeah, I suppose
[20:47] <toad_> it does cost some hundreds though, and it takes a while to pay it all off
[20:47] <_ph00> k
[20:47] <_ph00> that's not "serious debt"
[20:48] <toad_> it is if it increases every year
[20:48] <_ph00> serious debt is at least in the tens of thousands fro me
[20:48] <toad_> hehe, never had THAT much
[20:48] <_ph00> some hundreds can be paid back quickly enough
[20:48] <toad_> TheSeeker: haven't caught up with everything yet
[20:49] <toad_> TheSeeker: mrogers is working on simulations, I think they're just about reaching the level where he can simulate routing and load limiting/balancing
[20:49] <_ph00> damn
[20:49] <_ph00> I can't find my first post about disappearing peers
[20:49] <toad_> _ph00: you know what the most fun thing about this conversation is? it might be picked up by employers :)
[20:50] <_ph00> anyways, that's definitely a bug. It happned to other people too
[20:50] <toad_> TheSeeker: I'm going to write up the low-level conclusions we reached over the summer soon
[20:50] <_ph00> I don't need employers :P
[20:50] <nextgens> _ph00> it hasn't been reported since a while
[20:50] <toad_> _ph00: I'm sure I fixed it months ago, that's the wierd thing...
[20:50] * nextgens thinks it has been fixed
[20:50] <_ph00> and they wouldn't hire me anyway
[20:50] <toad_> _ph00: oh yeah, you freelance fixing people's computers?
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[20:51] <_ph00> toad_: when did you fixed it? I'm still running the first 991 afaik, I never manually updated since then
[20:51] * toad_ would be willing to be employed if he believed in the company/the job/some blend of the two
[20:51] <toad_> _ph00: ages ago
[20:51] <toad_> _ph00: if it's doing it now it's a new bug
[20:51] <_ph00> k
[20:52] <nextgens> _ph00> the first thing we will ask you for is step to reproduce ;)
[20:52] <MineHaunter> It happened to me too, with 990 iirc
[20:52] <nextgens> it's useless to fill in a ticket if you don't know how to :)
[20:52] <MineHaunter> after a node restart, I think
[20:53] <_ph00> toad_: yeah, I frelance "average joe computer fix" and I don't make much money out of that, but I have much more free time and personal freedom than average. It's all about values. For me, money is way less important than freedom, and I can afford living like that because I have no wife and kids
[20:53] <toad_> _ph00: how do you even manage to pay the rent?
[20:53] <_ph00> I do
[20:53] <toad_> fair enough
[20:53] <_ph00> I don't have much left after paying rent and bills, but I dio survive
[20:54] <toad_> and you make productive use of your copious free time?
[20:54] <toad_> for some personal value of "productive" ?
[20:55] <_ph00> depends on the definition of productive... my personal value for that is doing whatever I feel like doing without having to worry, so I guiess I do
[20:55] <toad_> well yeah but is it useful?
[20:55] <toad_> more useful than surfing the porn^Wnet all day?
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[20:55] <_ph00> I don't use porn
[20:56] <_ph00> and this "usefulness" thing is way overrated
[20:56] <toad_> freedom is great, but like VolodyA says, nobody is free until everybody is free... and both money and time can be used to free other people
[20:56] <_ph00> if I had to work 14 hours a day to stay alive no one would have anything to say if I didn't do anything else
[20:57] <toad_> sure, but you're an imperial citizen, nobody here really has to work hard
[20:57] <_ph00> aell, what I do is providing an almost 24/7 node for freenet, and talking to people, trying to make them realize how bad it is... it's not much, but not zero either...
[20:57] <_ph00> I would have to work hard, if I had a family
[20:58] <_ph00> I chose freedome
[20:58] <_ph00> freedom
[20:58] <_ph00> I mean, no car, no expensive clothes etc, but much free time
[20:58] <toad_> even people with families have time for hobbies, political debates etc
[20:58] <toad_> they do here
[20:58] <_ph00> yes
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[20:58] <toad_> they don't in most of the rest of the world
[20:59] <_ph00> so, here I can live without a family, a car and expensive hobbies by working a few hours a week... and not really working anyway
[20:59] <_ph00> (brb)
[20:59] <toad_> or they do, but they have so little that they can't do anything but survive - and they often fail even at that
[20:59] <lionking> can someone tell me how to transfer a file to another peer
[21:00] <toad_> lionking: over freenet
[21:00] <toad_> ?
[21:00] <toad_> lionking: what are you trying to do?
[21:00] <lionking> yes over freenet
[21:00] <fridim> Hi. If I change Store directory in my node configuration, does it automatically move the stored data in the new folder ?
[21:01] <toad_> lionking: what are you trying to do?
[21:01] <toad_> fridim: not sure
[21:01] <toad_> doubt it
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[21:01] <toad_> you may have to do that (and change the setting) manually while the node is switched off
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[21:01] <fridim> toad_, cause for the moment, it is set to .
[21:02] <fridim> So, a bit ugly.
[21:02] <toad_> fridim: :|
[21:02] <lionking> i think freenet is a p2p network so i can load files oder sonething else from other clients/peers or to others
[21:02] <toad_> bbiab
[21:02] * toad_ goes to eat
[21:03] <toad_> lionking: doesn't quite work that way
[21:03] <toad_> lionking: you insert data, others request it
[21:03] <toad_> it gets spread over 10 nodes or so on insert
[21:03] <lionking> how doe ist work thans
[21:03] <fridim> toad_, bon app??tit
[21:03] <lionking> ok
[21:03] <toad_> people here will explain
[21:03] <toad_> but i gotta go
[21:03] <toad_> cya
[21:03] <lionking> ok cya
[21:04] <lionking> ok how can i serach for files other peers did insert
[21:04] <fridim> lionking, there is "bad" solution : use FreemulET
[21:05] <lionking> and the good one?
[21:05] <fridim> There is frost too, where people are likely to give some keys or index for Thaw
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[21:07] <lionking> hm and if i insert a file how can i get the key oder index for it
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[21:17] <lionking> ok im tryin to insert a file but the progress bar is 0%
[21:22] <lionking> why is my logs directory 230Mb
[21:22] <MineHaunter> how long have you been running freenet?
[21:23] <lionking> nodeUptime: 46m45s
[21:23] <MineHaunter> then it's not normal
[21:23] <lionking> and now?
[21:23] <MineHaunter> there may be a problem which is reported in your logs
[21:25] <lionking> what is a normal size?
[21:26] <MineHaunter> I don't know, I don't think there is a "normal size"
[21:26] <MineHaunter> your logs are just too big so peek into them and see what they are saying :)
[21:27] <lionking> you want to look in an over 100MB textfile ? ;)
[21:28] <MineHaunter> maybe the last few kb will do :)
[21:28] <lionking> :D
[21:28] <lionking> http://dark-code.bulix.org/lm0plz-21030 here
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[21:28] <_ph00> back
[21:29] <lionking> ive disabled logging and now its ok
[21:29] <MineHaunter> did you set your logging level to MINOR
[21:29] <MineHaunter> or it was already set to that?
[21:30] <lionking> yes
[21:31] <lionking> it was already set to that
[21:31] <MineHaunter> Then the problem may be that
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[21:32] <MineHaunter> set logging level to NORMAL or ERROR to get smaller logs
[21:32] <lionking> yes thank you
[21:32] * MineHaunter wonders if it is really needed to set the default logging level to NORMAL... I know it's alpha but... :)
[21:33] <_ph00> java process (freenet is the only one running) is taking over 60% cpu!
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[21:34] <_ph00> maybe WARING would do
[21:35] <_ph00> (I mean logging level)
[21:35] <_ph00> warning*
[21:35] <lionking> i set it to normal, its ok
[21:35] <lionking> my jawa process is using only 3-7%
[21:36] <_ph00> you 'll get a lot of logging
[21:36] <_ph00> my java process was using 3-4% yuesterday
[21:36] <_ph00> now it's unsing 60
[21:36] <_ph00> I don't get it...
[21:37] <lionking> hm 16 lines so far
[21:37] <_ph00> k
[21:37] <lionking> hm
[21:37] <_ph00> anyways
[21:37] <_ph00> I think I'll boot windze (eew)
[21:37] <_ph00> and shoot down some bandits ;)
[21:38] <lionking> :D
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[21:38] <_ph00> I tried to make the same node run under windoze but that didn't work
[21:38] <lionking> hm
[21:39] <_ph00> I downloaded freenet.exe, placed it in the freent dir, pinted javavm, javexec and stuff to the right files, but I still got some message about java not being able to start a jvm
[21:39] <_ph00> I checked on thje java website and it said that java was working, version 1.5.0_09
[21:40] <lionking> hm i installed it directly out of here http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/installer/install.html
[21:40] <_ph00> but tha's not importnat anyway, I can't use a resources hungry game and freenet at the same time on a crappy old box anyways
[21:40] <_ph00> no, I tried to do someting different
[21:41] <lionking> whats your cpu?
[21:41] <_ph00> I already have a woring linux install
[21:41] <_ph00> so I was trying to make the same node work under windows
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[21:41] <_ph00> cpu is a duron 1600
[21:41] <_ph00> overclocked to 2000 (and yes, that's a lot of overclocking)
[21:42] <_ph00> but my bios didn't have a 1800 setting, only 1600 and 2000
[21:42] <lionking> yes i know i have a athlon 2500+ at 1860mhz i think... and i temporarily overclocked it to 2200
[21:43] <_ph00> anyway, the main problem with games id that I only have 512 mb of (fucked up) ram, and 64 of video ram
[21:44] <_ph00> but I'm lazy upgrading because each time I think that I should buy a video card, I think I should change motherboard and cpu as well, so I don't do anything. (but I will get some memory soon)
[21:45] <lionking> yes i have the same problem whith my geforce 2
[21:45] <lionking> but ive got 1Gb ram
[21:45] <_ph00> anyways, I've had this athlon 1600 set to 2000 for several months on an Asus motherboard, it looks like it can take it but I need some better (and more) memory
[21:46] <_ph00> I think I'll get a gig too. I always went to the store but they didn't have the right kind of card
[21:47] <_ph00> (memory)
[21:47] <lionking> yea thats it, next year amd will release their qoadcore cpus and we went with our f** singlecore :D
[21:47] <_ph00> after a couple of times, they said they would get it for me
[21:48] <_ph00> the problem wityh that is: will that kind of stuff be available without "trusted" computing shit in it?
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[21:49] <_ph00> I'm not gonna get any harware that makes trhe decisions for me
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[21:49] <lionking> me too
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[21:50] <lionking> by the way why ist the Public index.7 so slow
[21:51] <MineHaunter> afaik you can disable drm hardware but you won't be able to use protected software/content
[21:51] <_ph00> that's the point
[21:52] <_ph00> I want hardware that can use anything I want to use
[21:52] <_ph00> no enbedded "validating?? shit
[21:53] <_ph00> but there is hope: as long as there is people willing to buy something, there will be some chinese manufacturing it
[21:53] <MineHaunter> you won't be able to use protected software/content anyway, if you hardware doesn't have drm
[21:53] <_ph00> 'protected' how?
[21:53] <lionking> why are all the pages over freenet so slow?
[21:53] <MineHaunter> protected by drm
[21:54] <MineHaunter> there will be (eg) music for download encrypted for your drm chip
[21:54] <_ph00> maybe someone will find a way around that
[21:54] <MineHaunter> to play that music, you'll need your chip enabled
[21:54] <_ph00> like a drm emulating
[21:54] <_ph00> emulation
[21:54] <MineHaunter> Anyway, I won't buy protected music
[21:54] <_ph00> I don't buy music anyway
[21:54] <MineHaunter> so I will disable any drm chip found on my hw :)
[21:55] <_ph00> and pirated movies/software won't be drm encrypted, probably
[21:55] <MineHaunter> they won't be
[21:55] <lionking> :)
[21:55] <_ph00> making a program that emulates drm validation shouldn't be impossible
[21:55] <_ph00> (but I can't code, so I don't know what I'm talkinmg about)
[21:56] <MineHaunter> it should be impossible, or at least drm white papers say so
[21:56] <MineHaunter> but you know, bugs exists :)
[21:56] <_ph00> yeah
[21:56] <lionking> can someone answer my question?
[21:56] <_ph00> running commands on rempote machines without logging in should be iompossible ;)
[21:56] <_ph00> oh
[21:56] <_ph00> OK
[21:56] <_ph00> lionking: how slow?
[21:57] <MineHaunter> lionking: try using urls without /-1/ at the end: replace that with /1/ instead
[21:57] <_ph00> and what? downloading, opening pages?
[21:57] <MineHaunter> or with whatever number is there
[21:57] <lionking> opening pages
[21:57] <MineHaunter> /-1/ links are very slow and useful only to check new version of freesites
[21:58] <lionking> http://127.0.0.1:8889/freenet:USK@UCZ~925ewb~aJd62vS~wFvecP82bIUlnZQECsJxPP0Q,qeveOILaV-QhR2e5Az-5S9UYThL~dTFUX5IegEUfAIE,AQABAAE/Cat/2/
[21:58] <jez> [19:04] <@toad_> jez: you mean hiding freenet traffic in http? not planned for some time
[21:58] <lionking> was the fastest just a minute :(
[21:58] <_ph00> lionking: I'm trying to load that page
[21:58] <jez> ^ is that because it would be technically challenging, or that it's not seen as a priority/
[21:58] <jez> ?
[21:58] <_ph00> lionking: one minute is not bad
[21:58] <_ph00> compared to freenet standards, that's normal
[21:59] <lionking> ok
[21:59] <_ph00> I'm getting 'unable to connect' on that page
[22:00] <MineHaunter> _ph00: it's on port 8889, he have changed that from the default 8888
[22:00] <_ph00> oh
[22:00] * _ph00 edits the line
[22:01] <lionking> what did i do?
[22:01] <_ph00> took me one second
[22:01] <lionking> 8888 don't work for me
[22:01] <_ph00> ude this
[22:02] <_ph00> http://127.0.0.1:8888/USK@UCZ~925ewb~aJd62vS~wFvecP82bIUlnZQECsJxPP0Q,qeveOILaV-QhR2e5Az-5S9UYThL~dTFUX5IegEUfAIE,AQABAAE/Cat/2/
[22:02] <_ph00> use*
[22:02] <_ph00> (without /freenet:)
[22:02] <lionking> works only with 8889
[22:03] <_ph00> well, your freenet is using 889 then
[22:03] <_ph00> 8889
[22:03] <lionking> ok
[22:03] <_ph00> you installe