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[0:04] <phrosty> does the freenet install work on windows x64 java?
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[0:09] <phrosty> err not install but service
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[0:50] <bob_dkjfl23k4j2l> hello
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[2:56] <honkey> Can anyone tell me how to restart my node in Linux? I can't find instructions online anywhere.
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[3:42] <blaatsdf> so, someone who wants to exchange? :)
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[3:43] <blaatsdf> mine: http://dark-code.bulix.org/5pq3sg-20626?raw tell me yours when u added me :)
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[3:44] <blaatsdf> update: http://dark-code.bulix.org/k3mt6a-20628?raw
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[4:04] <blaatsdf> who wanna add me: http://dark-code.bulix.org/k3mt6a-20628?raw :)
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[4:14] <shdwshard> blaatsdf: try #freenet-refs
[4:14] <blaatsdf> im already in there shdwshard :)
[4:14] <blaatsdf> got two working refs now
[4:14] <blaatsdf> but need a few more ;)
[4:14] <blaatsdf> but thanks :)
[4:14] <shdwshard> I see that now, just noting this isn't the place to ask for refs.
[4:14] <blaatsdf> hmm, on the webpage it says i can ask in both channels ;)
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[6:58] <Dynode> Did someone hack Indicia index or did they go all china voluntarely ?
[7:06] <Dynode> Heh, Indicia has total of 20 sites listed. Saying: "I've decided that the Chinese government was right all along." Yes right. Glad I live in Finland. Anyway, lets get a new index on the frontpage, thanks. Bye, i'm slightly pissed off atm.
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[7:12] <Bombe> ?Chinese Republic Edition.? - almost a cute idea.
[7:43] <TheSeeker> Indicia used an edition to make a political statement about how useless freenet becomes when you start censoring everything that is, or links to, something anyone might find offensive ... strip it from the default index list! :P
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[8:43] <nextgens> phrosty> I dunno, never tried
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[8:56] <rvalles> hi
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[8:56] <rvalles> hi
[8:57] <rvalles> not exactly freenet related but... is there any way to tunnel DNS requests through a ssh connection or something of the sort?
[8:57] <rvalles> is for privacity at work...
[8:57] <rvalles> I basically use ssh + socks5 in order to browse, but DNS queries could still give me away
[9:01] <nextgens> socks5 allows dns tunneling
[9:04] <rvalles> nextgens: firefox seems to be not tunneling its DNS requests, tho
[9:05] <rvalles> In any case... do you know a way to set up the whole system dns to be through the socks5?
[9:05] <rvalles> or at least make firefox use socks5 for dns.
[9:06] <nextgens> no, I don't, google it up
[9:06] <nextgens> rvalles> man resolv.conf
[9:25] <rvalles> hm, found it
[9:25] <rvalles> about:config -> search "dns"
[9:25] <rvalles> there's one that says "dns proxy tunnel" in the same sentence, and it works (checked with dnstop)
[9:25] <rvalles> nice \o/
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[9:28] <xsteadfastx> anyone has some nice index sites i can check out?
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[9:46] <MineHaunter> I'm still getting some GetFailed errors with code 4
[9:46] <MineHaunter> ShortCodeDescription=Invalid metadata
[9:46] <MineHaunter> CodeDescription=Failed to parse metadata
[9:46] <MineHaunter> ExtraDescription=Non-redundant splitfile invalid unless whacky
[9:46] <MineHaunter> so, anyone knows what does this error mean?
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[11:58] <MN> Hi there.
[11:58] <MN> The Freenet 0.7 installer is giving me trouble
[11:58] <MN> It says something about INSTALL.JAR not being executed, then closes
[11:58] <MN> Anything I can do to remedy the situation?
[12:00] <sbc> MN: You'r going to have to give us a little more info. What os, what java version, and the specific error message might also help.
[12:01] <MN> Sure.
[12:02] <MN> Windows XP Pro, Java version is latest (didn't note down number, but I just got it off Sun's site.) The box (Izpack-launcher) tells me that "THE JAR FILE "INSTALL.JAR" COULD NOT BE EXECUTED."
[12:02] <MN> That's the long and short of it.
[12:05] <sbc> MN: That dosn't sound good. I haven't messed around with the windows installer. You might want to try downloading "http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/installer/new_installer.jar", opening a command promt, cd'ing to where ever you downloaded it and the issue "java -jar new_installer.jar". But the other installer should work. Maby nextgens has some idea of whats wrong with it.
[12:05] <MN> Thanks.
[12:06] <MN> Also, I've heard things about 0.7 not being as anonymous as 0.5. Truth?
[12:06] <sbc> MN: No.
[12:06] <MN> Good.
[12:06] <MineHaunter> False. In fact, 0.7 is at least as anonymous as 0.5
[12:06] <sbc> well, thats the short answer. Both are not perfect.
[12:07] <sbc> MN: But I think people agree that 0.7 is more secure than 0.5.
[12:08] <MN> Errorz!
[12:08] <MN> The JAR file gives me a "java.lang.nullpointerException" error
[12:08] <MN> There's reams of code here
[12:08] <MN> -.-
[12:09] <sbc> MN: Could you do "java -version" just to check?
[12:09] <MN> java version "1.5.0_06"
[12:10] <sbc> MN: I have no idea what's going on then :( If you have time, hang around and waith for nextgens to help you. It's his installer.
[12:10] <MN> Sure
[12:10] <MN> Idling is OK here, right?
[12:11] <sbc> MN: It's what everyone else does :)
[12:11] <MN> Cool
[12:11] <MN> I'll do that then.
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[12:23] <_ph00> afaik, .7 is *more* anonymous than .5, and *way more* anonymous than that if you use "true darknet" (i.e. connecting only to people you actually know and trust)
[12:25] <_ph00> I think I got that error one, I?'m pretty sure it was some duh-mistake, but I can't remember exactly...
[12:25] <nextgens> _ph00> how can you manage to compare things that aren't comparable ? :)
[12:25] <_ph00> once*
[12:25] <_ph00> hehe
[12:25] <_ph00> apple and oranges
[12:25] <nextgens> MN> I've got only a small idea of what your problem is
[12:25] <_ph00> (all friuts)
[12:25] <nextgens> MN> is your system running a localized version of windows ?
[12:26] <nextgens> MN> may you try to copy the installer to the root of c:/ and start it from there ?
[12:26] <_ph00> nextgens, I went for the darknet "safer" than opennet idea
[12:26] <MN> Nextgens, I'll try that.
[12:26] <nextgens> _ph00> that's common sense, has it to be said ? :D
[12:26] <Noxblaat_afk> hmm that can be it indeed, i run it on an english windows version, never tried on a dutch one
[12:26] <_ph00> lokks like it has...
[12:26] <_ph00> looks
[12:27] <MN> nextgens, same error.
[12:28] <MN> I'm sure it's probably something about Java but I can't think what exactly.
[12:28] <_ph00> there's java _09 for windows available now (but it should work on _06)
[12:29] <_ph00> 1.5.0_09
[12:30] <nextgens> Noxblaat_afk> it works on english versions
[12:30] <nextgens> MN> well, try openning a command prompt and do "java -version"
[12:30] <_ph00> [I've been running everything on english OS's tho I son't live in an english-speaking country, because #1, it gets easier to get/give advice on forums/chennels in english, and #2 because some apps are in english anyways, and I hate seeing a language mix on my desktop)
[12:30] <_ph00> </OT>
[12:31] <Noxblaat_afk> nextgens: it worked for me indeed
[12:31] <MN> [13:09] <sbc> MN: Could you do "java -version" just to check?
[12:31] <MN> [13:09] <MN> java version "1.5.0_06"
[12:31] * Noxblaat_afk with _ph00's OT :P
[12:33] <nextgens> MN> and you confirm you're using the '.jar' installer ?
[12:33] <MN> I've tried both, yeah.
[12:33] <nextgens> MN> can you confirm you're using the '.jar' installer ?
[12:33] <MN> I've tried both, yeah.
[12:33] <nextgens> ok
[12:33] <nextgens> :-S
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[12:36] <nextgens> MN> I've got no idea of what's going on then, sorry
[12:36] <MN> Balls.
[12:36] <nextgens> I suggest you set up your node using the tarball
[12:36] <nextgens> http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/installer/freenet07.tar.gz
[12:36] <MN> My computing knowledge does not extend that far.
[12:36] <nextgens> or maybe you can try the "old" installer
[12:37] <nextgens> but as it's not maintained anymore, you might encounter problems
[12:37] <MN> I'm using 0.5 right now.
[12:37] <nextgens> http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/installer/selfextractpack.jar
[12:37] <nextgens> try that one
[12:37] <nextgens> but with .5 turned down
[12:38] <_ph00> oh come on, installing from tarball doesn't requite extended computer knowledge, I'm a noob and I install stuff from tarball: just unpack, read the INSTALL file and run a couple of commands as instructed
[12:39] <nextgens> _ph00> except I never got around writting the INSTALL ;)
[12:39] <_ph00> hehe
[12:39] <MN> Exception in thread 'Main' somethingsomethingsomethingerror
[12:39] <_ph00> if no INSTALL is found, the default way would be ./configure && make <switch to root> make install
[12:40] <_ph00> is that the case?
[12:40] <MN> Don't ask me..
[12:40] <_ph00> I'm not
[12:40] <_ph00> I'm asking 'tah dev'
[12:40] <_ph00> :P
[12:40] <MN> *phew*
[12:40] <MN> Hm
[12:40] <nextgens> _ph00> no
[12:40] <_ph00> no?!?
[12:40] <MN> Would running in Safe Mode do anything?
[12:41] <_ph00> well, you *should* write an INSTALL file then...
[12:41] <nextgens> _ph00> gnu-make isn't meant to be used for java things ;)
[12:41] <_ph00> oh
[12:41] <nextgens> _ph00> feel free to do so
[12:41] <_ph00> who,me? I would need to know how to do it myself then... is it on the faq?
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[12:44] <_ph00> nothing on the faq, and not even on the 'download' page linked from the main page (well, at least, the site's up again....)
[12:45] <_ph00> checking out http://downloads.freenetproject.org
[12:45] <_ph00> and wiki
[12:47] <_ph00> <MN> Would running in Safe Mode do anything?
[12:47] <_ph00> ?!?
[12:47] <_ph00> *safe mode*?
[12:47] <_ph00> is the guy on windows?
[12:47] <_ph00> I think he's been trying to install the unix version on windows...
[12:49] <sbc> _ph00: Is the "unix version" not just a plain java installer? Is it unix specific? I'm the one who sugested he tried it, when the windows one would not work. I think he has tried both installers with no luck.
[12:49] <_ph00> makes sense
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[12:50] <_ph00> java was _06 and that does work, we know that much, so it could be a wiondows problem (not even counting windows as *bing* a problem itself)
[12:50] <_ph00> being
[12:50] <nextgens> of course he needs to be administrator for the installer to work
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[12:54] <_ph00> if that was the problem, he would have gotten the message "you don't have sufficient privileges" or something like that
[12:55] <_ph00> or maybe...
[12:55] <_ph00> I don't know
[12:55] <_ph00> that happens when you click on stuff, I don't know about command lines
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[13:06] <_ph00> well, it looks like the tarball only needs to be unpacked, I tried running run.sh and it did work, so "installing" from tarball is actually unpacking, running and configuring using the config page on fproxy.
[13:06] <_ph00> is there a windows run script too?
[13:07] <nextgens> probably not
[13:07] <nextgens> anyway, if you feel like writting the INSTALL file even for linux, I'll commit it :)
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[13:08] <_ph00> well, I can do that, but it would only say "unpack and run ./run.sh"
[13:08] <_ph00> plus of course, make a directory for freenet and cd to that dir before running...
[13:08] <_ph00> maybe I'm missing something
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[13:22] <_ph00> nextgens what should I write in thet INSTALL file? All I got is that you don't really need to install, only unpach and run: should I write that?
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[13:24] <nextgens> yes
[13:24] <_ph00> k
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[13:30] <Noxblaat_afk> so...
[13:31] <Noxblaat_afk> i jump off my bed (where i ust to sit when im at my pc) and come back later
[13:31] <Noxblaat_afk> and my mouse is gone:/
[13:31] <Noxblaat_afk> its wireless, yeah, but i dont think it can walk itself
[13:31] <Noxblaat_afk> wtf
[13:31] <Noxblaat_afk> *trying to get under his bed*
[13:32] <Noxblaat_afk> ah, it was under my pillow
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[14:02] <_ph00> nextgens, done. where do I send it? (no easy jokes plz :)
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[14:04] <nextgens> devl@freenetproject.org
[14:04] <_ph00> k
[14:18] <_ph00> sent
[14:18] <_ph00> may take some time, I noticed that hushmail is not so fat
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[14:35] <_ph00> not so fat?
[14:35] <_ph00> I mean "fast"
[14:36] <sbc> I just got a freemail message... 14 days late. Freenet sure is high latency!
[14:36] <nextgens> hmm
[14:36] * nextgens will try freemail out
[14:36] <_ph00> still faster than snail-mail: I read of people who got a letter over 20 yars after it was sent
[14:37] <nextgens> is the gui ready now ?
[14:37] <sbc> nextgens: I haven't heard of one.
[14:39] <_ph00> hm
[14:39] <_ph00> I got 'moderator must approve' msg as I'm not on the list with that address...
[14:40] <_ph00> addrees I used is ph00-at- hush.ai
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[15:55] <Dandalf> hi guys i just started
[15:55] <Dandalf> i'm not sure what to do
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[16:01] <BlaBlaBlaw> Anyone got a free Index?
[16:02] <BlaBlaBlaw> What i meant was, Anyone knows of an index page on freenet that is not moderated?
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[16:24] * nextgens has just implemented the "peer removal warning"
[16:24] <nextgens> I'm only half convinced the warning is efficient enough
[16:24] * nextgens will have to go soon
[16:30] <CIA-14> nextgens * r10674 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/DarknetConnectionsToadlet.java:
[16:30] <CIA-14> Some untested code reverting r10661 wich was controversial.
[16:30] <CIA-14> http://archives.freenetproject.org/thread/20061016.213156.f88b95f3.en.html
[16:30] <CIA-14> Please test and help me to find a better wording.
[16:30] <CIA-14> Maybe we should tell users why it's bad (ghost connections, churn, bad user experience, ...)
[16:30] <nextgens> bbl
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[17:36] <_ph00> what's "peer rmoval warning"?
[17:38] <MineHaunter> if you try to remove a peer which hasn't been inactive for at least a week you get a warning
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[17:56] <_ph00> I get a warning, OK, but if I still want to remove it, I can do that?
[17:56] <_ph00> or not?
[17:57] <_ph00> what knid os coubntry code is .in? india?
[17:57] <_ph00> indiana?
[17:59] <_ph00> sorry to say, the day when I can't remove a peer right away if I want to, is the day I quit freenet
[17:59] <_ph00> sometimes "too good" is not good at all
[18:00] <_ph00> on the other hand, I think that not much can be done if I stop the node, delete the peer I weant to delete from peers-<portnr.> and restart
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[18:38] <investigator> I read today the Wikipedia page on Freenet, (which may be more applicable to version .5) where it talks about 'transient' vs 'permanent' nodes. It suggests that if you have a 'transient' node, your node doesn't store stuff as it goes around, thus denying you 'plausible deniablity'. Does this apply to version .7 as well?
[18:40] <myself9387> investigator: afaik this doesn't even apply for .5 anymore
[18:40] <investigator> oic, ok, thanks
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[18:41] <investigator> one other thing (I'm starting to sound like Columbo) in my Freenet folder I have a folder for cache and one for store, what's the difference?
[18:42] <MineHaunter> cache stores any key passing throug you node, store only stores data which is to be found on your node (for routing purpouses)
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[18:44] <investigator> not sure I understand what you mean by "data which is to be found on your node"
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[18:45] <MineHaunter> the routing algo, when searching for a key, will look at specific nodes, where that key is most likely to be found
[18:45] <investigator> ok
[18:45] <MineHaunter> if I undestood this well
[18:46] <MineHaunter> so a node will try to store keys that will be found on the node itself by the routing algo
[18:47] <investigator> ok
[18:47] <investigator> I've found that since installing and running Freenet, it feels like I'm playing with my old 486 again. I'm using a Celeron processor at 2.4gHz, 384 megs of ram. Is the slowdown on my machine because of not enough RAM or the processor isn't fast enough, (or both)
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[18:49] <MineHaunter> I have a 2GHz cpu and 512Mb ram and everything runs fine
[18:49] <MineHaunter> well, gaming is a bit slower but who cares :)
[18:50] <investigator> no, the problem I'm having is that if I have too many windoze open it takes forever to switch between them, or even if I click on something in Windoze Explorer, say, it takes some time to react
[18:50] <investigator> I must be short on RAM
[18:50] <investigator> I've been thinking of upgrading to 1 gig
[18:51] <Jflesch> investigator: Imo, celeron processors don't have enought cache, that's why you have a slowdown
[18:51] <investigator> oic
[18:51] <investigator> one of these days I'm going to spring for a monster machine
[18:51] <investigator> I saw one online today for only $3400
[18:51] <Jflesch> "only" ? :)
[18:52] <investigator> (that's about what I paid for my 486)
[18:52] <investigator> so, you think it's the processor?
[18:52] <Jflesch> mine only costed me 1500 ?, and it's alread a pretty good one :)
[18:52] <investigator> the lack of onboard cache?
[18:52] <Jflesch> yes I think ... but it's true that 384 MB of memory is also not a lot
[18:53] <investigator> (well, it seemed enough 3 years ago) ok, I'll have to upgrade
[18:53] <Jflesch> investigator: you know how it works ... you buy a super computer, and six months later, it's already an old and slow thing ... :)
[18:53] <investigator> right, sort of like my 486 was, when I brought it home and took it out of the box
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[18:54] <investigator> well, this thing wasn't a super computer when I got it. It was a budget machine, which was what I wanted at the time. It was a damn sight better than what I had
[18:54] <Jflesch> My first computer was a 386 SX :)
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[18:55] <investigator> my first was an XT8088
[18:55] <investigator> $2500 for that
[18:55] <Jflesch> wow :)
[18:55] <investigator> incl printer
[18:55] <Jflesch> with msdos I guess ? :)
[18:55] <investigator> yes
[18:55] <investigator> no hard drive, two floppies
[18:55] <investigator> 5 1/4"
[18:56] <investigator> at least that thing paid for itself, (through work) the 486 never did
[18:57] <Jflesch> investigator: seriously ? on a 486, you were able to run duke nukem 3D no ? this game was so great ^^
[18:57] <investigator> I'm not a gamer. The only 'game' I use is a simulation
[18:57] <Jflesch> hmm ... or maybe a 486DX2 at least was required ... I don't remember
[18:57] <Jflesch> investigator: oh, you miss something .... :)
[18:58] <investigator> what I meant was the 486 never paid for itself through tax deduction
[18:58] <Jflesch> s/miss/missed/
[18:58] <investigator> mine was a dx2
[18:58] <investigator> maybe I should look into the gaming thing
[18:58] <investigator> wanna go pvt with this before we bore people to death?
[18:58] <Jflesch> you mean a gamer computer ?
[18:59] <Jflesch> investigator: do you see anybody here except us ? :)
[18:59] <investigator> um, 57 users
[18:59] <Jflesch> everybody is idling :)
[18:59] <investigator> actually, I wanted to say something that I didn't want to say in chan
[19:00] <Jflesch> ?
[19:00] <investigator> I opened a private window, do you see it?
[19:01] <Jflesch> er ... I saw it ... but I wasn't registered so you didn't have my answer ... now it's ok :)
[19:01] <investigator> oic
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[19:14] <Boefke> silence :)
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[19:32] <CIA-14> jflesch * r10675 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Add translator names to the 'About' dialog
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[20:14] <NOT_COLIN> Nextgens, you about?
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[20:15] <nextgens> yes, I'm around
[20:16] <nextgens> but not for long
[20:16] * nextgens has a lot to code tonight
[20:16] <MN> Is there any other installer for the latest version of freenet that doesn't use this IzForge installer?
[20:16] <MN> I can only run it under safe mode, Admin, and even then I can't use t'internet so that's pointless.
[20:16] <MN> Otherwise, I'm stuck with 0.5.
[20:17] <nextgens> you can start the node up using command line
[20:17] <nextgens> without installer
[20:17] <nextgens> ask TheSeeker :)
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[20:22] <swen> hi all :)
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[20:29] <snudebil> hi
[20:30] <snudebil> I need a node address so I can check freenet out..
[20:31] <snudebil> cocks...
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[20:31] <swen> hi
[20:31] <swen> me 2
[20:31] <swen> oh well
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[20:38] <MineHaunter> swen?
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[20:51] <swen> hi
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[21:11] <CIA-14> jflesch * r10676 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/plugins/index/Index.java: Thaw will trust the node to discover the new revision of an index
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[21:56] <fnfoo> hi, is there an equivilant fcp command in 0.7 to the old htl=0 feature? i'm doing some testing for inserting content and don't want to wait a really really long time for the insert to actually finish
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[22:16] <CIA-14> jflesch * r10677 /trunk/apps/Thaw/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Add a toolbar in the index browser / editor
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[22:43] <fnfoo> i'll come back to check the logs later - thanks in advance to any client authors or devs that can point me in the right direction!
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[22:58] <MineHaunter> fnfoo: you can simulate the htl=0 behaviour in insert by setting GetCHKOnly=true
[23:00] <MineHaunter> fnfoo: it does not insert data at all but it will check parameters and calculate the key for the file
[23:01] <MineHaunter> fnfoo: afaik there isn't a way to actually insert data only on your node
[23:03] <MineHaunter> fnfoo: in ClientGet you can use DSOnly=true; this is the same as htl=0 but works only on gets, not on inserts
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[23:15] <NullAcht15> huh, my freenet node has been taking over an hour just to start up now, and hasn't finished yet...
[23:16] <NullAcht15> I'm getting messages like this "Reading store prior to shrink: 20%" in wrapper.log (with slowly increasing percentages - it took nearly an hour to get to 20%....)
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