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[0:36] <anonymouse> doh; my node has been off for like 14 hours
[0:37] * anonymouse fixes that
[0:37] <anonymouse> sorry, network
[0:37] <anonymouse> =)
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[4:34] <l0gic_> hmm
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[6:06] <CIA-14> jflesch * r10669 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/fcp/FCPConnection.java: Fix NPE
[6:06] <lokadin> l0gic_: have you heard of lojban?
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[7:26] <xsteadfastx_> anyone has some nice freenet index sites i can check out as newbie?
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[8:54] <TheSeeker> xsteadfastx: try AnotherIndex USK@e4TEIN5l1nkn6kjl63XBgYTYobmwGvtnyK2YW0b0ajo,hv-2~OfetXkb0FhDuPxorWIf0wXeZKPEfdIhwyh-mhk,AQABAAE/AnotherIndex/35/ or Indicia USK@c55vMxUl-T-lD3nv0iOaXF~G1hnY6pOMRbzZSwACMmY,yd8~uwUmGm164-ipStoiBOJVjkbbYXJMlD~H5ftPxIA,AQABAAE/Indicia/38/ (This edition is making a political statement, I'm guessing it'll return to normal in a day or two.)
[8:55] <TheSeeker> This is what Indicia usually looks like: SSK@c55vMxUl-T-lD3nv0iOaXF~G1hnY6pOMRbzZSwACMmY,yd8~uwUmGm164-ipStoiBOJVjkbbYXJMlD~H5ftPxIA,AQABAAE/Indicia-37/
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[9:12] <ODINODIN> Hi
[9:12] <ODINODIN> anyone to swap reference?
[9:13] <ODINODIN> if you are interested here is mine, http://code.bulix.org/k1wrlr-20569?raw
[9:15] <sbc> ODINODIN: Try #freenet-refs you might have more luck there.
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[9:16] <ODINODIN> thanks
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[10:23] <Teddyalex> Hi everybody...
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[14:31] <mario69> hi, is Build #991 r10658:10660M stil the latest non testing one?
[14:34] <sbc> mario69: I'm almost sure it is.
[14:38] <mario69> thx sbc
[14:39] <mario69> my node did not see a new version for some time and I was wondering if the auto update is acting up again or there simply is nothing to update to :)
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[15:16] <TheSeeker> whee! http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35181
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[16:08] <Zedschaniko> Hi, I guess this has been asked before, but I can't find anything on the net. What happened to http://freenetproject.org ? Its been down for days now.
[16:14] <Zedschaniko> http://freenetproject.org/download.html --> 403 forbidden, then http://www.freenetproject.org/ ---> blank page Any ideas? Is the site being blocked here?
[16:14] <TheSeeker> http://downloads.freenetproject.org still works
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[16:14] <TheSeeker> so does: http://archives.freenetproject.org/list/devl.en.html
[16:15] * _ph00 checks the logs out...
[16:15] <_ph00> woah
[16:15] <_ph00> that was a lot of chit-chat
[16:15] <_ph00> </sarcasm>
[16:16] <_ph00> site down hm? hack-attack, or rent not paid?
[16:16] <Zedschaniko> thanks for the downloads link
[16:18] <Zedschaniko> I checked the logs of two days, did not find anything. Shouldn't there be an announcement on the IRC channel welcome creen, if the site has been taken offline?
[16:18] <_ph00> I tried to access freenetproject.org, I get a blank page
[16:19] <_ph00> I saw one of the devs saying "site still down" yesterday
[16:19] <Zedschaniko> Looks like the problem is not only from here, then.
[16:19] <_ph00> nope
[16:19] <_ph00> I tried to access directly, thru poxy and thru tor
[16:19] <_ph00> the problem is definetly on the other side
[16:20] <_ph00> poxy=proxy
[16:20] <_ph00> is there a mirror site on freenet?
[16:21] <_ph00> (there should be)
[16:21] <Zedschaniko> I wa sgoing to recommend freenet to some friends, but its difficult, if I can't point them to a site.
[16:21] <_ph00> well, try this: hepl them to get the node up, then we'll help them getting it connected here and on freenet-refs
[16:22] <_ph00> as a temporary solution...
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[16:24] <Zedschaniko> sure, I can try that - I just tested the wiki site, and its still up http://wiki.freenetproject.org
[16:29] <_ph00> OK, so the downloads are up, the wiki is up, point your friends there, and say that they can get help here, of course
[16:30] <_ph00> the real problem with the site being down is that we aren't getting new people: look at freenet-refs, it's a desert
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[16:57] <Zedschaniko> I di what you recommended!
[16:57] <nextgens> hi
[16:57] <Zedschaniko> I agree that we need more people, I am surprised how few are using this graet software
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[16:58] <defa4> #boy_cp
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[16:59] <Zedschaniko> Hi nextgens
[16:59] * nextgens is half inclined to ban him
[16:59] <nextgens> but some might find it too patronising ;)
[16:59] <nextgens> _ph00> the main webpage is hosted on sourceforge
[17:00] <_ph00> k
[17:00] <nextgens> and sourceforge has been sucking for almost a week now
[17:00] <Zedschaniko> ban whom? did I do something wrong?
[17:00] <_ph00> so it's a sourceforge problem
[17:00] <nextgens> defa4
[17:00] <_ph00> OK
[17:00] <_ph00> I got it
[17:00] <nextgens> btw, we have all webpages on our svn
[17:00] <nextgens> deploying a new mirror is a matter of minutes
[17:01] <nextgens> well, dns will need time to update
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[17:02] <_ph00> banning defa 4? why? and what would that be good for? he can get another nick in 15 seconds
[17:02] <_ph00> or less
[17:02] <nextgens> _ph00> maybe not another host ;)
[17:02] <MasterD> hello, can somebody give me a good entry point (a freenet site) which contains something like a start index ... ?
[17:02] <_ph00> he could still get connected thru a webproxy, even if you recognize him thru tor and don't voice him
[17:03] <_ph00> anyways, what's the problem with him?
[17:03] <nextgens> MasterD> they are two on the default bookmark sety
[17:03] <nextgens> and both point to at least 5 others
[17:03] <nextgens> :)
[17:04] <MasterD> nextgens: i am search for a even better entry point ;)
[17:04] <MasterD> eh ..searching..
[17:04] <_ph00> on the fproxy homepage, click "freenet index (lots of freesites"
[17:04] <_ph00> that links to more indexes
[17:04] <_ph00> you can also look for sites on frost, on the 'sites' board
[17:05] <MasterD> ok...if it only wouldn't sooooo sloooow...
[17:05] <_ph00> even better, if you don't like any of the indexes you get... you can always run your own. more indexes is good
[17:05] <_ph00> patience
[17:05] <MasterD> okay, another question..whats up with freenetproject.org ? down?
[17:06] <_ph00> the main goal of freenet si not speed. speed will come when the network will be big enough
[17:06] <_ph00> a problem at sourceforge, I heard
[17:06] <_ph00> anyways, the wiki page and downloads.<fn proj> are still up
[17:07] <MasterD> okay, even another question..where (except of #freenet-refs) can I get new refs ?
[17:07] <_ph00> well...
[17:07] <_ph00> from firnds you talk into running nodes?
[17:07] <_ph00> friends
[17:08] <MasterD> .. if I don't know anybody who has a freenet account...
[17:08] <_ph00> you can also use freenet refs another way: stay there, try to understand which users you want to connect to and private message them
[17:08] <_ph00> you can paste refs in a pvt msg, you won't get auto-kicked out for that
[17:09] <_ph00> so you won't even need to use a pastebin
[17:09] <MasterD> great..i love spamming
[17:09] <MasterD> ;)
[17:09] <Zedschaniko> another question; how many people are currently running freenet 0.7?
[17:09] <MasterD> is there a more polite way ?
[17:09] <_ph00> maybe 1000
[17:09] <_ph00> a polite way?
[17:09] <_ph00> private messaging is not spamming
[17:09] <MasterD> ok..mom
[17:10] <_ph00> mom?!?
[17:10] <_ph00> make it "dad" at least :P
[17:10] <Zedschaniko> is 100 enough to be truly anonymous for political dissidents for example?
[17:10] <Zedschaniko> oops 1000
[17:11] <Zedschaniko> like if peple in china using it
[17:12] <MasterD> 1000 ? its not very much
[17:12] <_ph00> no, but the point is that it should grow
[17:12] <_ph00> so spead the word
[17:12] <_ph00> evangelize the internet
[17:12] <_ph00> :P
[17:13] <MasterD> okay, with me there are 1001
[17:13] <MasterD> i'll as mom if she wants to be 1002
[17:13] <MasterD> ;))
[17:14] <Zedschaniko> I'm recommending it on some security conscious forums
[17:14] <Zedschaniko> my concern, the irc is not anonymous, can i connect thru TOR?
[17:16] <MasterD> I thought that freenet 0.5 had more members than 1000 ?
[17:17] <nextgens> it had up to 10000 nodes at some point
[17:17] * nextgens doesn't think it's more than 100 nodes anymore
[17:18] <Zedschaniko> freenet 0.5 is dead then?
[17:19] <MasterD> ...but freenet 0.7 is not really born anyway ?
[17:23] * nextgens doesn't like the new version of indicia
[17:23] <nextgens> it's really missing content now :<
[17:24] <_ph00> .5 is still up, and it will be as long as it has 2 users
[17:24] <_ph00> .7 *is* born
[17:24] <_ph00> and growing fast
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[17:26] <BotX> Is freenet down?
[17:26] <BotX> i mean, www.freenetproject.org
[17:27] <MasterD> yep
[17:27] <nextgens> yes, sourceforge is down
[17:27] <_ph00> the whole sourceforge site?
[17:27] <BotX> oh, thanks. at first i thought my isp blacklisted the site
[17:28] <_ph00> BotX, you can go around ISP blacklist and even government blacklisting by using tor
[17:28] <_ph00> but of coruse
[17:28] <_ph00> that won't help when a site is down
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[17:29] <MasterD> but its worth an attempt ;)
[17:36] <Zedschaniko> "Tor blocked due to spam: get a tor/regular cloak or get an op to voice you" !?!
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[17:36] <Zedschaniko> How to use Tor & IRC, whats a cloak?
[17:37] <_ph00> that would take more than a couple of lines to explain
[17:37] <_ph00> switch to #freenet-chat
[17:37] <Zedschaniko> I use Tor with Firefox, but not IRC - just a link pls?
[17:38] <_ph00> you still can't use tor on this channel... well, you can, but you'll be muted and will need an chan op to voice you.
[17:38] <_ph00> because too many ppl were trolling thru tor
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[17:39] <nextgens> plop Jflesch
[17:39] <_ph00> for instructions about how to use tor on freendoe, see http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor
[17:40] <nextgens> sanity> our website on SF is still down
[17:40] <Zedschaniko> thanks thanks for the link, ph00
[17:41] <_ph00> np
[17:41] <_ph00> another way is simply get in here thru tor and ask a chan op to voice you, they usually will without asking questions, the point is that they can 'un-voice' you if you start trolling
[17:42] <nextgens> ( 2006-10-18 10:03:12 - Project VHOST Service ) 2006-10-18: Currently, we're experiencing difficulty in our project VHOSTing service. This extends to hosted domain names. PROJECTNAME.sourceforge.net still works. We apologise for the convenience are are working to address this issue.
[17:42] <nextgens> from https://sourceforge.net/docs/A04/
[17:43] <nextgens> so it's a known problem
[17:43] <sanity> nextgens: holy crap
[17:44] <sanity> how long has it been down for?
[17:44] <sanity> ok, thats it - we should migrate it to emu
[17:44] <sanity> and thus rid ourselves of our last dependency on sf
[17:44] <nextgens> the problem beeing the time dns servers will take to propagate
[17:45] <nextgens> and security concerns
[17:45] * nextgens isn't keen on deploying our bad php scripts on emu
[17:45] <sanity> well, the site is down, so its not like we need to worry about downtime
[17:46] <sanity> well, stage #1 is to get the site up and running, then we can try to make the php scripts more solid
[17:46] <Zothar_Work> if nothing else, you could put a short TTL on the DNS records such that a decision to move in the next few hours would benefit
[17:46] <nextgens> I mean the website is likely to get back online before the dns records are widespread
[17:46] <nextgens> sanity> if emu doesn't get r00ted in the meantime ;)
[17:47] <sanity> ttl is set to 86400 right now
[17:47] <nextgens> yep, I'll change it on the CNAME
[17:47] <sanity> nextgens: the php scripts are pretty simple, they can't be that hard to secure surely
[17:47] <nextgens> they are badly designed
[17:48] <nextgens> wich means they ought to be rewritten almost from scratch
[17:48] <sanity> you are worried about how the page selection works?
[17:48] <nextgens> and I've never got around doing it as I do think the website design would require some "refresh"
[17:48] <nextgens> maybe a new design
[17:48] <nextgens> and better W3C compliance
[17:49] <nextgens> sanity> yes
[17:49] <nextgens> the proper way to do it is to have an index/a table and to pass identifiers
[17:49] <nextgens> not filenames ;)
[17:50] <nextgens> but well, if you do want me to move it on emu, I can
[17:50] * nextgens doesn't like SF anyway
[17:50] <nextgens> and I don't trust them
[17:50] <nextgens> an other point to consider is the bandwidth usage
[17:51] <nextgens> the website is generating a LOT of hits
[17:51] * nextgens changes the dns TTL
[17:51] <Zothar_Work> another way would be to have a filesystem reflection of the URL directory tree and derive behavior from where in the tree the request is for
[17:51] <_ph00> I think I'm having problems on frost, I cn't upload messages. It went fine fro a couple of test posts, but I answered to some posts on other boards lately and I can't see my own posts; I get often the"couldn't upload" message, and the "msgs still uploading" *every* time I shut frost down. Java 1.5.0_09 on slackware 11, freenet 991 r10660
[17:52] <sanity> nextgens: i think we should
[17:52] <sanity> nextgens: if it was that easy to hack, someone would have hacked the site on sf by now
[17:52] <sanity> nextgens: but i do agree that it is dodgy
[17:52] * nextgens puts 360
[17:52] <Zothar_Work> I suppose the website could be "hosted" on emu, but redirect to SF for the actual files until such time as SF has trouble, then host temporarily on emu (or it's mirrors), though that would be work to keep sync'd
[17:53] <sanity> Zothar_Work: i'm not sure what problem that would solve
[17:54] <nextgens> that would add YetAnotherPointOfFailure
[17:54] <Zothar_Work> SF would get the brunt of the bandwidth unless they were down since they'd be hosting the actual files
[17:54] <nextgens> bad idea imo
[17:54] <nextgens> sanity> does bytemark provide any way of monitoring the bandwidth usage ?
[17:54] <sanity> nextgens: i'm not sure
[17:54] <Zothar_Work> it's weird, I agree, but it keeps control with Freenet while still letting SF usually do the bandwidth capacity
[17:54] <nextgens> sanity> have we ever been charged for overpassing our quota ?
[17:55] * nextgens checks
[17:55] <sanity> nextgens: not to my knowledge
[17:55] <Zothar_Work> I would think emu could "monitor" it's web server via stats and such
[17:56] <nextgens> sanity> https://rpc.bytemark.co.uk/panel/
[17:57] <nextgens> sanity> check that please
[17:57] * nextgens hasn't got the login
[17:57] <nextgens> it ought to give the current bandwidth usage
[17:57] <nextgens> Zothar_Work> it already does :)
[17:57] <nextgens> but those stats aren't public
[17:58] <sanity> ok
[17:58] <Zothar_Work> nextgens: you wanted a public stat or a Freenet devs public stat?
[17:58] <nextgens> well, if you don't ask for them, you don't have them
[17:59] <nextgens> they aren't accurate
[17:59] <nextgens> as I had to reset them a few days ago
[17:59] <Zothar_Work> I guess I was just wondering why the question was asked
[17:59] <nextgens> while updating iptables
[18:01] <Zothar_Work> ah, so emu stats got fubar'd in a change, so hosting provider's stats wondered about... ok
[18:01] <nextgens> and I've never compared my stats and bytemarks ones ;)
[18:02] <nextgens> sanity> have you reached the bandwidth monitor on cpanel ?
[18:02] <sanity> working on it
[18:02] <sanity> i had to get them to re-send my password
[18:04] <sanity> and now my email is misbehaving so i can't receive it
[18:04] <sanity> grrrr
[18:06] <nextgens> it's probably greylisting wich takes time
[18:06] <sanity> nextgens: nah, my email provider is having issues
[18:06] <Zothar_Work> aren't computers great! :)
[18:06] <sanity> nextgens: one of their imap servers is down, they are fixing it
[18:06] <sanity> nextgens: ever thought about installing a jabber server on emu?
[18:06] <sanity> nextgens: jabber seems pretty cool
[18:08] <Zothar_Work> yeah, Jabber is the guts of Google Talk and unlike other "popular" IM services, Google Talk users can talk to other Jabber users email addrses style (assuming properly setup Jabber server, etc.)
[18:08] <Bombe> Jabber rocks pretty much.
[18:09] <sanity> Zothar_Work: i thought google wasn't doing proper jabber peering?
[18:11] <nextgens> sanity> /me is keen on jabber
[18:11] <nextgens> well if you allow me to do it, sure I will :)
[18:11] <Zothar_Work> sanity: I'm not sure how Google's differs from "proper", but I do know that a certain Jabber feature is all that needed to support peering (if that's the right term, maybe they're not doing "peering", but something else) from my reading of Google's info on the subject. I admitedly haven't tried it myself yet.
[18:11] <sanity> nextgens: you are very welcome to do it
[18:12] <sanity> nextgens: it would be neat to have ian@freenetproject.org as a jabber id
[18:12] <sanity> nextgens: and even better if you can set up a AIM gateway - I think there is a module for that
[18:12] <nextgens> we don't have to host a server for that :)
[18:12] <sanity> we don't?
[18:13] <nextgens> yes, making a SVR dns record pointing to an "open" server is enough
[18:13] <sanity> hmmm
[18:13] <sanity> would that be preferable to running our own server?
[18:13] <nextgens> google proposes to do that
[18:13] <Zothar_Work> you do for the ian@ jabber id unless you get that out sourced I believe
[18:13] <sanity> eg. would it allow us ot create chat rooms?
[18:13] <nextgens> deploying gtalk/gmail for a custom domain name
[18:13] <Zothar_Work> ah
[18:13] <nextgens> sanity> sure
[18:14] <nextgens> Zothar_Work> even outsourced
[18:14] * nextgens is a jabber server admin :p
[18:14] <nextgens> I run a local server here for the local network
[18:14] <sanity> nextgens: is it reliable?
[18:15] <nextgens> ~300 student PCs
[18:15] <Zothar_Work> I imagine DNS can get funky needing redirects or something if you've got Jabber and web both on freenetproject.org...
[18:15] <nextgens> well, google is
[18:15] <nextgens> likely to be better than emu alone ;)
[18:15] <sanity> nextgens: you think it could replace this channel?
[18:15] <nextgens> some other are too
[18:15] <nextgens> apinc.org for instance
[18:15] <nextgens> of course it could
[18:15] <Zothar_Work> Jabber can talk to IRC anyway... :)
[18:15] <Zothar_Work> ...and Jabber can do encryption... :)
[18:16] <sanity> well, i like Jabber, so whatever you think is the best option I will go with
[18:16] <nextgens> well Jabber/Muc / other gateways isn't the thing working best atm
[18:16] <sanity> nextgens: but for now i think the priority is to get our site migrated to emu
[18:16] <nextgens> that's a matter of minutes
[18:16] <nextgens> but I'm not 100% convinced that it's a good idea :)
[18:16] <nextgens> hmm
[18:16] * Zothar_Work hands nextgens some rose color glasses to cover the rest... :)
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[18:17] <sanity> nextgens: well, the current situation is unacceptable
[18:17] <nextgens> agreed
[18:17] <nextgens> but well, it's not fresh news that SF is sucking
[18:17] <nextgens> ;)
[18:17] <sanity> nextgens: and we aren't going to be able to redesign the entire site in the next hour
[18:18] <nextgens> and I like the concept of "hosting free projects"
[18:18] <sanity> nextgens: so i think the best option is to migrate the current PHP and then try to find a volunteer to redesign the site
[18:18] <Zothar_Work> yeah, SF and problems seem to mix too well...
[18:18] <nextgens> gna! or even googleProjects seems to do the same job ... better
[18:18] <sanity> nextgens: what would happen if emu exploded right now?
[18:19] <nextgens> that would be awfull
[18:19] <nextgens> we do have some backups
[18:19] <nextgens> maybe not all
[18:19] <Zothar_Work> backups are good :)
[18:19] <nextgens> and I don't have the time atm to reset emu from scratch
[18:19] <sanity> perhaps we can talk to bytemark about doing some kind of periodic clone of emu or something
[18:19] <sanity> those guys like us
[18:19] <nextgens> Zothar_Work> bytemark allows us to have 1G of backup on a separate server
[18:20] <nextgens> if the server blows or the HD dies... it would be hard
[18:20] <Zothar_Work> perhaps check emu's configs, scripts, etc. into SVN (probably private) so that recovery can be a little less painful?
[18:20] <nextgens> sanity> they charge for additionnal backup space
[18:20] <Zothar_Work> ...then just backup that SVN
[18:20] <nextgens> :|
[18:20] <sanity> nextgens: well, we have some funds
[18:21] <nextgens> having more hds on emu would reduce the risks though
[18:21] <nextgens> (hardware risks)
[18:22] <nextgens> /dev/hda2 36G 27G 7.6G 78% /
[18:22] <nextgens> in fact we don't need space
[18:22] <nextgens> but redundancy imho
[18:22] <nextgens> and maybe a less lazy admin for additionnal security
[18:23] <nextgens> but so far, I think the security level of emu is above the average webserver
[18:23] <sanity> ah, bytemark's bandwidth monitoring is broken
[18:23] <nextgens> :<
[18:23] <Zothar_Work> BTW, 'bout how big is the SVN repository DB running ATM? any comments on svnmirror being used for SVN repo DB backup?
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[18:23] <nextgens> cool, meaning that we can max. out our usage ? :D
[18:23] <Zothar_Work> heh :)
[18:23] <nextgens> Zothar_Work> fsf
[18:23] <nextgens> Zothar_Work> fsfs
[18:23] <nextgens> yep, using that is a good idea
[18:23] <nextgens> but it's svn 1.4
[18:24] <nextgens> and emu uses 1.3 atm
[18:24] <nextgens> btw, I was planning to use a "public/ro" svn server
[18:24] <nextgens> as a mirror
[18:24] <nextgens> possibly on SF if it wasn't sucking ;)
[18:24] <sanity> sf has svn now - right?
[18:24] <nextgens> yes, when it works ;)
[18:25] <Zothar_Work> nextgens: I've got a svnmirror perl script running on SVN 1.3.2 Debian Linux (etch) mirroring a SVN 1.1.3 Mac OS X repo
[18:26] <Zothar_Work> dunno how efficient it is compared to what I assume you're saying SVN 1.4 has built-in though...
[18:27] <nextgens> Zothar_Work> it's the same written in C
[18:27] <nextgens> if I understood right the propaganda danderson was telling me :)
[18:29] <nextgens> the svn-summit is taking place those days
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[18:37] <CIA-14> jflesch * r10670 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/plugins/index/ (File.java Index.java Link.java): Fix index loading (yes, again.)
[18:38] <Zothar_Work> nextgens: so how big is the Freenet SVN repo DB and would my backing it up using my perl script be a good or bad thing from your perspective (preferrably with some sort of seed copy of the DB to start with instead of doing all 10670 revs through the perl script)?
[18:39] <nextgens> Zothar_Work> a bad idea
[18:40] <nextgens> Zothar_Work> you'd better ask me for a svndump
[18:40] <nextgens> import it and then mirror it using the svn-mirror ;)
[18:40] * nextgens checks the size
[18:41] <Zothar_Work> nextgens: thus the (preferrably...) clause... :)
[18:41] <nextgens> 378M /var/freenet-svn/
[18:41] <nextgens> it's not that big
[18:42] <Zothar_Work> nextgens: I believe that's managable for me. I could even mirror it in two physical locations without difficulty
[18:42] <nextgens> but well, as they are many revisions, not going through revisions 1 by 1 would be a better idea
[18:42] <Zothar_Work> (one in Texas, the other in Georgia)
[18:42] <nextgens> If you manage to get us an access to it, we could even push new revisions
[18:43] <nextgens> or trigger a mirroring
[18:43] <nextgens> (requesting a webpage or whatever)
[18:43] <nextgens> so that you wouldn't have to "pool" for new revisions
[18:43] <nextgens> unless you want to do it on a daily basis
[18:43] <nextgens> or something like that
[18:44] <Zothar_Work> I was thinking daily, but we could probably work out a trigger mechanism or something
[18:44] <nextgens> hmm
[18:44] * nextgens goes taking a shower
[18:45] <nextgens> after that I deploy the website on emu
[18:45] <nextgens> then we will see :)
[18:45] <Zothar_Work> yeah, gotta start clean... :)
[18:45] <nextgens> if I manage to catch danderson, I'll ask him whether you can use svn-mirror from a dump
[18:45] <nextgens> I think it's doable
[18:46] <nextgens> I dunno if the "new mirror" has the same repository id
[18:46] <nextgens> anyway, I'll ask.
[18:46] <nextgens> bbiab
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[18:54] <_ph00> Gspace: Firefox Extension: This extension allows you to use your Gmail Space (2 GB) for file storage. It acts as a remote machine. You can transfer files between your hard drive and gmail
[18:55] <_ph00> I'm thinking: would I be able to run freenet from there?
[18:55] <_ph00> no, huh?
[18:55] <_ph00> I can store files there, but I don't think I can execute
[18:56] <_ph00> and what would that be good for anyway (nothing, only an idea)
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[18:57] <Zothar_Work> nextgens: in some quick Googling, it appears that svnadmin dump preserves UUID and svmirror.pl doesn't change that, though my running svnmirror was seeded from a direct rsync, which wasn't the best, but I didn't run across svnadmin dump until now...
[18:57] <Zothar_Work> _ph00: no execute, no...
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[19:13] <antoine> hi
[19:13] <antoine> can i have one ref please
[19:15] <antoine> mine is http://dark-code.bulix.org/glxu69-20596
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[19:16] <Zothar_Work> antoine: see #freenet-refs
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[19:20] <antoine> thx
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[19:32] <Zedschaniko> how do I change the location of the storage cache to another disk drive?
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[19:39] * nextgens is back
[19:40] <nextgens> ok, let's move the website
[19:40] <TheSeeker> shut down, edit ini and add node.storeDir=folderonanotherdrive
[19:41] <nextgens> hmm ?
[19:41] <TheSeeker> also accessable via the advanced darknet config page under "store directory" :P change it from . to somewhere else.
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[19:47] <Zedschaniko> would that be "Persistent temp files directory"? in adv config
[19:48] <Zedschaniko> I couldn't find a "store directory" there
[19:49] <Zedschaniko> oops I found it :)
[19:51] <nextgens> the website is back
[19:52] <nextgens> can someone test and confirm please ?
[19:52] <nextgens> sanity> /me has got something to propose regarding jabber
[19:52] <nextgens> sanity> what about using the Apinc server ? http://jabber.apinc.org/index.php
[19:53] <nextgens> sanity> it's a volunteer french association
[19:53] <nextgens> providing jabber services for free to many organizations
[19:54] <nextgens> the asset of using one external provider would be convenience
[19:54] <nextgens> we could delegate them a subzone of our dns (im.freenetproject.org) for instance
[19:54] <MineHaunter> nextgens: freenetproject.org now works
[19:54] <nextgens> MineHaunter> cool :)
[19:54] <nextgens> and require them to ask us for a grant before signing in any new user
[19:54] <MineHaunter> nextgens: but www.freenetproject.org does not
[19:55] <nextgens> MineHaunter> "normal"
[19:55] <MineHaunter> k
[19:55] <nextgens> of course the major caveat will be the fence barrier
[19:55] <nextgens> it's a french association ^^-^^
[19:56] <nextgens> on the other hand, their server is rather stable, well maintained
[19:56] <nextgens> and they are providing a bunch of services
[19:56] <nextgens> cool services
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[19:56] <nextgens> including gateways to most IM networks (AIM, ICQ, MSN, Yahoo)
[19:56] <nextgens> and the best : http pooling and a http client
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[19:57] * nextgens forgot the MUC (groupchan - like irc chans) and directory
[19:57] <nextgens> sanity> understand me well, I'm not against setting up a jabber server on emu but that's a bit of work
[19:58] <nextgens> especially as emu is running debian/stable ...
[19:58] <nextgens> and jabber servers bundled by debian/stable aren't really up to date
[19:58] <nextgens> of course they are backports, but I prefer not to use them unless necessary
[19:59] * nextgens fixes the www redirec
[19:59] * nextgens fixes the www redirect
[19:59] <nextgens> maybe I should add a wildcard even
[19:59] <nextgens> *.freenetproject
[20:03] <nextgens> MineHaunter> I've fixed the www issue
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[20:03] <MineHaunter> nextgens: good :)
[20:04] <nextgens> let's fix the auto-build now
[20:09] <nextgens> ok, it should work
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[20:13] <CIA-14> nextgens * r10672 /trunk/website/pages/people.php: website: test commit: replace <br> with <p> on the people page
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[20:17] <CIA-14> nextgens * r10673 /trunk/website/pages/people.php: website: add a HTML compliant accent on my name
[20:19] <nextgens> ok, it works just great
[20:19] <nextgens> Zothar_Work> are you still around ?
[20:19] <nextgens> Zothar_Work> do you want me to produce a svn dump ?
[20:20] * nextgens thinks that it would be far better bandwidth-wise
[20:20] <Zothar_Work> nextgens: yeah, still around, but will be leaving soon; go ahead and produce an svnadmin dump, though it may be a two or three days before I grab it and setup the mirror
[20:22] <nextgens> ok, I'll do it then
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[21:14] <sanity> nextgens: cool, so the website is now coming off emu
[21:14] <sanity> nice
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[23:42] <MineHaunter> I'm getting some GetFailed errors with code 4
[23:42] <MineHaunter> ShortCodeDescription=Invalid metadata
[23:42] <MineHaunter> CodeDescription=Failed to parse metadata
[23:42] <MineHaunter> ExtraDescription=Non-redundant splitfile invalid unless whacky
[23:42] <MineHaunter> what does this error mean?
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[23:52] <investigator> I understand that as I go along, Freenet will add stuff to my datastore, presumably until some size limit is reached. What I wonder is, does Freenet ever delete stuff from my datastore?
[23:53] <MineHaunter> I guess it deletes data from datastore starting from older and unrequested keys
[23:54] <investigator> oic, ok
[23:55] <investigator> I've been reading the messages on Frost, and there is so much arguing there about whether a user is truly anonymous, that it's hard to know what the truth is
[23:56] <MineHaunter> there are many factors which can give or take from anonimity
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[23:56] <investigator> I guess that's what they're arguing about
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