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[0:33] <syd67ro> are there any other portals besides the default ones?
[0:33] <syd67ro> indicia and darknet index?
[0:34] <syd67ro> there isnt much content there
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[0:48] <anonymouse> wtf happened with recent builds
[0:49] <ShoeyFighter> hmm?
[0:49] <anonymouse> it's like it's just stomping interrupts all the time or something
[0:49] <anonymouse> my mouse lags and drops events when freenet is running
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[0:49] <anonymouse> this used to happen "after a while" but after I updated from 987 it's all the time
[0:51] <ShoeyFighter> stomping interrupts?
[0:51] <ShoeyFighter> You mean for your computer?
[0:51] <anonymouse> yes
[0:51] <anonymouse> like it's pretty challenging to make the mouse lag
[0:51] <anonymouse> for some reason whatever way freenet does things, it causes it
[0:52] <anonymouse> I turn off the freenet service and everything's happy
[0:52] <anonymouse> CPU sits at 0, so I assume it's network related
[0:52] <anonymouse> I wish I had a dedicated machine to run the node
[0:52] <anonymouse> lately I can only choose between running freenet and using my computer sanely
[0:53] <_ph00> what OS?
[0:53] <anonymouse> xp
[0:54] <_ph00> what java?
[0:54] <anonymouse> looking
[0:54] <_ph00> _06 I suppose
[0:54] <_ph00> try assigning more mem to freenet
[0:54] <anonymouse> actually it sayw 1.4.2_04
[0:54] <anonymouse> maybe i needs to update
[0:55] <anonymouse> i'll do that
[0:55] <_ph00> yes you do
[0:55] <_ph00> you need at least _06
[0:55] <_ph00> btw you need linux too but that's another story
[0:55] <anonymouse> you don't have to convince me
[0:55] <anonymouse> i love linux
[0:55] <anonymouse> i just can't move over to it right now
[0:56] <anonymouse> do i want the SE download or the SE6 beta2?
[0:56] <_ph00> you could also set your page file to fixed dimentions (initial = max) so windows dowsn't have to calculate the right dimension all the time, and also moving the page file to a small dedicated partition is kinda good
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[0:57] <_ph00> I'd take the stab??e
[0:57] <_ph00> SE, not beta6
[0:57] <_ph00> stable*
[0:57] <anonymouse> k
[0:57] <anonymouse> java is like the most confusing, stupid, annoying thing to download
[0:57] <_ph00> slackware comes with sun's java 1.5.0_09 already installed
[0:58] <anonymouse> yeah well it's easy on debian too
[0:58] <anonymouse> but just try to install it on windows
[0:58] <anonymouse> and good f'in luck
[0:58] <_ph00> you wanna stick to windows, that's what you get
[0:59] <_ph00> debian comes with gij, you need to install suns's java and set the new java path manually
[0:59] <_ph00> (no biggie, anyway)
[0:59] <anonymouse> well i meant there's a few easy steps to make java work through the packaging system
[0:59] <anonymouse> on windows you have to be like a genius to get and install the right stuff
[0:59] <anonymouse> want updates? hope you remember to check for em yourself!
[0:59] <_ph00> I installed java on windows a couple of times, it's just next-next-next-next-finish like anything else
[1:00] <anonymouse> once you get the correct file
[1:00] <anonymouse> did you visit the page? the runtime is buried in the middle of a list of like 12 flavors of download
[1:00] <_ph00> the easiest way is to go to the extesions and plugins page, click java and install the jre firefox plugin, the rest will come automagically
[1:00] <anonymouse> with no distinguishing "if you are not a java programmer, you probably just want this"
[1:00] <_ph00> yeah
[1:00] <_ph00> the first 10 or 12 times it was a bit confusing
[1:01] <_ph00> but then again
[1:01] <anonymouse> well if i did this more often sure it would be easy
[1:01] <_ph00> if java sucks, why shouldn't the website suck too?
[1:01] <anonymouse> good point
[1:01] <anonymouse> it's like a warning
[1:02] <anonymouse> ooh, this is update 9
[1:02] <anonymouse> yummy
[1:02] <anonymouse> i sure hope this makes my freenet run less annoyingly
[1:02] <_ph00> and when I asked some dev (don't remember who) *why* is freenet java anyway, if 95% of the computer-savvy world agrees that it sucks, the answer was something like 'becuse it sucks the same way on different platforms'
[1:02] <anonymouse> i've had a node running for the better part of the last several years
[1:03] <anonymouse> heh _ph00 yeah i know.
[1:03] <anonymouse> it really does though.
[1:03] <_ph00> you getting _09? cool. that's somewhat lighter on resources, I heard
[1:03] <anonymouse> .net is just not there yet on other platforms.. and maybe never will be
[1:03] <anonymouse> i mean there's mono, sort of
[1:04] <anonymouse> but microsoft has zero interest in other platforms, so it will probably never be as ubiquitous as java
[1:04] <_ph00> .net sucks on windoze only... but maybe that's the point, like multiplying two miinuses gives you a plus
[1:04] <anonymouse> gah
[1:04] <anonymouse> i have to reboot
[1:04] <_ph00> of course
[1:04] <anonymouse> fucking windows
[1:04] <_ph00> no wait
[1:04] <_ph00> why reboot?
[1:04] <anonymouse> waiting
[1:04] * anonymouse shrugs
[1:05] <_ph00> I don't think you need
[1:05] <anonymouse> it tells me i have to
[1:05] <anonymouse> well i'
[1:05] <anonymouse> ll say no
[1:05] <_ph00> maybe killing all the java precesses and restart would do
[1:05] <_ph00> do that
[1:05] <anonymouse> maybe it's just for like the IE plugin to work
[1:05] <_ph00> stop and restart all the java stuff
[1:05] <anonymouse> i'll just stay
[1:05] <_ph00> screw the IE plugin
[1:05] <_ph00> you don't use IE anyway, do you?
[1:06] <anonymouse> oh it's cause freenet was still running
[1:06] <anonymouse> woops =)
[1:06] <anonymouse> you know i'm going to just do it.. i want to be 100% sure this is a clean test
[1:06] <anonymouse> hm unles
[1:06] <anonymouse> i can find out what java version is being used by freenet
[1:07] <anonymouse> yay it uses the new one
[1:07] <_ph00> actually
[1:07] <anonymouse> hooray for process explorer
[1:07] <_ph00> you may need to shut down all java processes and then reinstall java
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[1:07] <_ph00> why?
[1:08] <anonymouse> i was able to look at the open handles and determine it was coming from the new install
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[1:08] <_ph00> because it could have left some file that couldn't be overwritten because it was being used
[1:08] <anonymouse> i.e. it's running things in the _09 dir
[1:08] <anonymouse> yes i'm sure that is tru
[1:08] <anonymouse> e
[1:08] <_ph00> different dirs?
[1:08] <_ph00> well, OK
[1:08] <anonymouse> but it will go away when i restart
[1:08] <_ph00> so uninstall 04
[1:08] <anonymouse> sure java always installs in different dirs
[1:08] <_ph00> yeah
[1:08] <anonymouse> no no i'm way past that
[1:08] <_ph00> I didn't think of that
[1:08] <anonymouse> nevermind
[1:08] <anonymouse> it's done
[1:08] <_ph00> k
[1:09] <anonymouse> anyway, here is hoping mouse works nicer now
[1:09] <anonymouse> so far it's ok =)
[1:10] <anonymouse> holy crap 09 kicks ass
[1:10] <anonymouse> i just opened jEdit in like 1/5 the time it used to take
[1:11] <_ph00> yes, it's lighter on resources
[1:11] <_ph00> you may be able to run java stuff and actually use the computer at the same time
[1:14] <anonymouse> wow
[1:14] <anonymouse> it's like a giant weight is lifted off my computer
[1:14] <anonymouse> maybe one day i will not hate java so much
[1:14] <anonymouse> it has only taken them 10 years to make it useable
[1:17] <_ph00> well... it took 10 years to make windows usable (win95) and another 10 to go right back to "are you fucking crazy?!?" (vista)
[1:17] <_ph00> well, less than 10 years
[1:18] <_ph00> whan was the first windows released?
[1:18] <_ph00> I remember in 88 people were still on dos
[1:18] <_ph00> a spanish guy asked if they used "MS two"
[1:19] <_ph00> took a long time to realize "dos" = 2 in spanish, so he tought that MS dos was MS2
[1:26] <_ph00> anonymouse, is the node running now? how's the mouse lag? gone?
[1:26] <anonymouse> running; lag seems gone
[1:26] <anonymouse> i'll monitor it over the next few days
[1:27] <_ph00> k
[1:27] <anonymouse> thanks for the tip
[1:27] <_ph00> anyone knows what happend to ljn?
[1:27] <_ph00> his node 's been down for 5 days, and he hasn't shown up here
[1:27] <_ph00> maybe he's dead
[1:27] <_ph00> or in jail
[1:28] <anonymouse> =(
[1:28] <anonymouse> or on vacation
[1:28] <_ph00> I need to know, because if he is, I'll drop him as a peer
[1:32] <_ph00> vacation in october?
[1:32] <_ph00> not summer, not christmas...
[1:32] <_ph00> oops "holiday season" is politically correct now
[1:32] * anonymouse hmms
[1:32] <anonymouse> wasn't he a dev?
[1:33] <anonymouse> maybe you should just disable the peer
[1:33] <_ph00> like the school boys sitting ouside the principal's offce waiting for their turn to get yelled at, asking each other why they got there:
[1:33] <anonymouse> and if he shows back up, enable it and N2NM
[1:33] <_ph00> "I said the F-word"
[1:33] <_ph00> I said the S-word"
[1:34] <_ph00> ...I said "Christmas"
[1:34] <_ph00> don't use n2ntm
[1:34] <_ph00> they're still kinda buggy
[1:34] <anonymouse> how so?
[1:34] <anonymouse> i didn't know that
[1:34] <_ph00> once I got the one message one peer sent me, over 300 times
[1:34] <_ph00> (no kidding)
[1:35] <anonymouse> hm
[1:35] <anonymouse> i never received one
[1:35] <anonymouse> only sent
[1:35] <anonymouse> i hope i don't contribute to that problem!
[1:35] <_ph00> and another time, one peer, one message, I got it each time our nodes reconnected, foer 3-4 days
[1:35] <_ph00> I don't remember who that was
[1:35] <_ph00> but it was a previous version, maybe 97<something>
[1:36] <_ph00> maybe even 95* or 96*
[1:36] <_ph00> the 300 msg thing
[1:36] <_ph00> the three-4 days thing was on 98*
[1:36] <_ph00> then another peer sent me a message to test how it went
[1:36] <_ph00> I never got that
[1:36] <_ph00> he tried again: same thing
[1:37] <_ph00> so afaik, of 4 messages 2 never got there, one got received each time the nodes reconnected for several days, and one was received some 300 times
[1:38] <_ph00> so I thinsk I can say that they are a bit bugy
[1:38] <_ph00> think*
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[1:57] <anonymouse> well i guess i'll stop using them
[1:57] <anonymouse> how will we know when they're fixed? they seem to be a good idea
[1:57] <anonymouse> i've already tried using them
[1:57] <anonymouse> like many times
[1:58] <anonymouse> i guess lack of responses should have clued me in there was a problem
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[3:37] <anonymouse> little bit of mouse slowness.. but this is LOTS better
[3:44] <_ph00> you are still having mouse lag?
[3:44] <_ph00> weird
[3:44] <anonymouse> well very little could also be caused by something else
[3:44] <anonymouse> including wireless interference
[3:44] <_ph00> are yoy running more java stuff besides freenet?
[3:44] <anonymouse> yes
[3:44] <_ph00> what?
[3:44] <_ph00> shut down some
[3:45] <anonymouse> jEdit
[3:45] <anonymouse> no
[3:45] <anonymouse> =)
[3:45] <_ph00> see what happens
[3:45] <anonymouse> i kind of am using that
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[7:05] <anonymouse> wireless mouse is making it harder to detect what is freenet's fault
[7:05] <anonymouse> i think so far so good
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[8:31] <anonymouse> reeeeestart
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[9:00] <mario69> report for toad: autoupdate seems to be working better.
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[10:46] <AnMaster> "Your node is having trouble talking with its peers quickly enough (5572 > 3000). Decrease your output bandwidth limit and/or remove some peers to improve the situation." <-- I tried doing that but it didn't help, any ideas?
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[10:57] <nextgens> how many peers do you have ?
[10:57] <nextgens> what's the speed of your internet connection ?
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[10:57] <nextgens> AnMaster>
[10:58] <AnMaster> nextgens, 5
[10:58] <AnMaster> nextgens, sorry I have to go, local power company going to do some maintainance, have to shut down
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[11:06] <sleon> nextgens: are you using spamassassin with postfix ?
[11:07] <AnMaster> nextgens, ah back now
[11:07] <sleon> AnMaster: for 3 minutes already
[11:07] <AnMaster> sleon, eh, I said that 3 minutes ago, oh I guess it was inital lag
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[11:09] <sleon> AnMaster: righty
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[11:09] <sleon> 13:07 < AnMaster> nextgens, ah back now
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[11:09] <AnMaster> ouch lots of initial lag then
[11:10] <AnMaster> anyway the problem I had seems to be gone after the restart
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[11:15] <nextgens> sleon> yep
[11:17] <sleon> nextgens: question: can spamassassin discard messages ?
[11:17] <sleon> nextgens: or does it only tags them?
[11:18] <sleon> nextgens: spamassassin is called here by amavis-new
[11:18] <sleon> nextgens: and i want to create rule for spamassassin so that sassassin drops the mail if the rule matches
[11:19] <sleon> nextgens: or do i need to write a special perl scirpt for it and call it from amavis-new ?
[11:19] <nextgens> it depends on how you interface it
[11:19] <nextgens> I dunno about amavis new
[11:19] * nextgens has solved the virus problem differently
[11:20] <nextgens> cat /etc/postfix/body_headers.cf
[11:20] <sleon> nextgens: it is not good
[11:20] <sleon> nextgens: it can not check multiple lines
[11:20] <nextgens> ^Content-(Disposition|Type):.*name="?.*\.(386|acm|asp|avb|wav|bin|cla|class|dat|bat|com|exe|cmd|cnv|drv|htf|class|hta|whf|oci|shs|sys|tlb|tsp|wbf|wiz|wsh|pif|vb|lnk|scr|reg|chm|wsh|js|inf|job|ini|shb|scp|scf|wsc|sct|dll)/ REJECT This kind of attachement is banned on this server.
[11:20] <nextgens> ^(.*)name=(.*)\.(exe|lnk|dll|eml|shs|vbe|hta|com|vbs|vbe|js|jse|bat|cmd|vxd|scr|shm|pif|chm)$/ REJECT This kind of attachement is banned on this server.
[11:20] <nextgens> why wouldn't that work ? :p
[11:20] <sleon> nextgens: i have a need to chech three different lines in the header against three different patterns, and i discard only when all three match
[11:21] <sleon> nextgens: hehe
[11:21] <sleon> nextgens: base64 filename ?
[11:21] <sleon> nextgens: :P
[11:21] <nextgens> the content type has to be set
[11:21] <sleon> ok
[11:21] <nextgens> otherwise it's not gonna be handled as base64
[11:21] <nextgens> anyway, I suggest you do you 3lines check with spamassassin
[11:21] <nextgens> just create a new rule
[11:22] <nextgens> in fact 4 rules
[11:22] <nextgens> one for each line
[11:22] <nextgens> don't give any score to the third first one
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[11:22] <nextgens> but the fourth, beeing a meta rule (rule 1 & 2 & 3 matching)
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[11:23] <nextgens> header NEXTGENS_3_1 X-Mailer =~ /Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869/
[11:23] <nextgens> header NEXTGENS_3_2 X-MimeOLE =~ /Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962/
[11:23] <nextgens> meta NEXTGENS_3 (NEXTGENS_3_1 && NEXTGENS_3_2)
[11:23] <nextgens> score NEXTGENS_3 6.0
[11:23] <nextgens> that's a sample of what I use here
[11:23] <nextgens> at some point I was receiving unmatched spam
[11:24] <nextgens> and decided that it's very unlikely that both rules are matched in a "true" mail
[11:25] <nextgens> and to interface spamassassin with postfix, I use spampd/spamc
[11:25] <nextgens> it's much more efficient than calling SA directly
[11:26] <nextgens> [11:17] < sleon> | nextgens: question: can spamassassin discard messages ?
[11:26] <nextgens> the answer is it depends on what you use
[11:26] <nextgens> if you use "spamassassin" from the command line, it can
[11:26] <nextgens> returning an error code and nothing on stdin
[11:27] <nextgens> anyway, we are a bit out of topic here :)
[11:30] <nextgens> sleon> keep in mind that the earlier you reject a message, the best it is
[11:30] <nextgens> see http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailgraph.cgi :)
[11:32] <nextgens> sleon> and if you are hosting mailing list, consider using VERP on the MTA
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[11:39] <vprajan> hi all
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[11:54] <vprajan> how to share files?..
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[16:47] <djancak> hello, i have a technical question about installing freenet software
[16:53] <nextgens> djancak> go ahead
[16:53] <djancak> java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: com.birosoft.liquid.LiquidLookAndFeel
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[16:53] <nextgens> don't ask to ask, just ask
[16:53] <djancak> i am trying to install on ubuntu, but i cannot get it to work
[16:53] <nextgens> djancak> what jvm are you running ?
[16:54] <nextgens> try "java --version"
[16:54] <djancak> okay, it says i have 1.4.2, so i guess i should upgrade
[16:54] <nextgens> freenet ought to work on 1.4
[16:55] <nextgens> but the installer requires sun's jvm
[16:55] <djancak> i am not sure djancak@skami:~$ java --version
[16:55] <djancak> java version "1.4.2"
[16:55] <djancak> gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.1.0 (Ubuntu 4.1.0-1ubuntu8)
[16:55] <djancak> Copyright (C) 2006 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
[16:55] <djancak> This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO
[16:55] <djancak> warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
[16:56] <djancak> is this the wrong version?
[16:57] <nextgens> yes, that's gnu's version
[16:58] <djancak> okay. i will uninstall this then
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[17:06] <sbc> djancak: This might help you, if you still need sun instralled http://wiki.freenetproject.org/UbuntuDapper
[17:07] <djancak> than you
[17:07] <sbc> sun java, that is - you can't install sun, clearly :)
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[17:24] <djancak> okay. i have a new problem now.
[17:24] <djancak> djancak@skami:~$ java --version
[17:24] <djancak> Unrecognized option: --version
[17:24] <djancak> Could not create the Java virtual machine.
[17:24] <djancak> i have followed the instructions at http://wiki.freenetproject.org/UbuntuDapper
[17:25] <sbc> djancak: ooops. That's not good.
[17:25] <djancak> i may have uninstalled something i shouldn't have
[17:25] <sbc> djancak: Can you do "which java"?
[17:25] <djancak> djancak@skami:~$ which java
[17:25] <djancak> /usr/bin/java
[17:28] <sbc> djancak: Something must be wrong... Can you do "update-alternatives --list java" for me?
[17:28] <djancak> djancak@skami:~$ update-alternatives --list java
[17:28] <djancak> /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java
[17:30] <sbc> And you did do "sudo update-alternatives --set java /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java" ?
[17:31] <djancak> yes
[17:31] <djancak> djancak@skami:~$ sudo update-alternatives --set java /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java
[17:31] <djancak> Using `/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java' to provide `java'.
[17:31] <sbc> ahh, now I see :)
[17:32] <sbc> java -version (not two -- 's ) :)
[17:32] <djancak> djancak@skami:~$ java -version
[17:32] <djancak> java version "1.5.0_06"
[17:32] <djancak> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_06-b05)
[17:32] <djancak> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_06-b05, mixed mode, sharing)
[17:32] <djancak> haha what the hell
[17:32] <sbc> :)
[17:33] <djancak> now running the freenet
[17:33] <djancak> ki'e do
[17:33] <djancak> thanks
[17:35] <sbc> djancak: Hope you get it installed now. If you have more trouble, feel free to ask more.
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[17:37] <haskins> Churn is awful right now, I've lost lots of peers this past week
[17:37] <djancak> do i need to open any ports ?
[17:38] <sbc> djancak: It should go right through, but if you can you should open your node port. Think it's some udp stuff. I'm not much into that stuff. Maby try gettting it working without first?
[17:41] <djancak> okay
[17:41] <djancak> i need peers now
[17:41] <sbc> djancak: #freenet-refs - good luck...
[17:42] <djancak> thanks
[17:51] <haskins> 3 connected, 3 backed off, 4 too old, 13 disconnected.... quitters
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[17:55] <djancak> hmm
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[18:21] <times> hello
[18:23] <timmy2chk> http://pastebin.ca/raw/200936
[18:23] <timmy2chk> oh dammit
[18:23] <timmy2chk> sorry
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[18:24] <times> what I can add a web page to free net?
[18:24] <times> what I can change it? (after publishing)
[18:30] <sbc> times: Once something has been uploaded to freenet it can not be changed, but you can publish a new edition, if it is a freesite, where you make your corrections
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[18:35] <haskins> upload using something like jsite and it will insert a new edition each time you insert your site directory, but users will automatically access latest when they visit your freesite
[18:36] <times> jSite not working
[18:36] <times> $ java -jar ./jSite.jar
[18:36] <times> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: de/todesbaum/jsite/main/Main (Unsupported major.minor version 49.0)
[18:36] <times> at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass0(Native Method)
[18:36] <times> at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass(Unknown Source)
[18:36] <times> at java.security.SecureClassLoader.defineClass(Unknown Source)
[18:36] <times> at java.net.URLClassLoader.defineClass(Unknown Source)
[18:36] <times> at java.net.URLClassLoader.access$100(Unknown Source)
[18:36] <times> at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(Unknown Source)
[18:36] <times> at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
[18:36] <times> at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(Unknown Source)
[18:36] <times> at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
[18:36] <times> at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
[18:36] <times> at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
[18:36] <times> at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClassInternal(Unknown Source)
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[18:40] <nextgens> times> you need a 1.5 jvm for jsite to work
[18:40] <nextgens> if you don't mind using console tools, you can use pyFreenet insteed
[18:40] <nextgens> and freesitemgr
[18:43] <sbc> night all
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[19:28] <bancus> Is this a good place to ask questions relating to installation of freenet?
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[19:33] <hjubal> bancus, yes
[19:33] <bancus> I'm following the instructions on the site for a linux install.
[19:34] <bancus> When I run the java -jar new_installer.jar, it throws an exception right away.
[19:35] <bancus> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.ExceptionInInitializerError
[19:35] <bancus> This is with sun jre 1.5.0.9 on debian etch amd64.
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[19:38] <hjubal> jvm complains something about 64bit?
[19:39] <bancus> Nope.
[19:39] <bancus> It looks like it's trying to start a GUI.
[19:39] <bancus> Which, seeing as how this server has no X11, would be kinda hard.
[19:40] <hjubal> and are you sure jvm is 1.5?
[19:41] <hjubal> http://www.mail-archive.com/support@freenetproject.org/msg07398.html
[19:41] <bancus> I'm quite sure, I just installed it.
[19:42] <hjubal> try 'java -version'
[19:42] <bancus> java version "1.5.0_09"
[19:42] <bancus> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_09-b01)
[19:42] <bancus> Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 1.5.0_09-b01, mixed mode)
[19:43] <bancus> There's no exception about 64-bit at all.
[19:43] <bancus> But there are a number with Swing.
[19:43] <bancus> Which would make sense, since, there's no GUI on this system.
[19:44] <Bombe> Java will run happily on systems without X11.
[19:44] <bancus> Java will, but will the installer?
[19:44] <Bombe> I have no idea, to be honest. I never used it.
[19:44] <bancus> The first several breakpoints are all in GUI stuff.
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[23:30] <sanity> has anyone seen toad?
[23:31] <Griffon26> sanity: 11 oct, 20:32 #freenet.addClient(toad_); /* n=toad@82-32-17-1.cable.ubr03.azte.blueyonder.co.uk joined */
[23:31] <Griffon26> 11 oct, 02:32 #freenet delete(toad_); /* Remote closed the connection */
[23:31] <Griffon26> that last thing is exactly 3 day and 1 hour ago
[23:32] <sanity> thanks
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