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[0:28] <anonymouse> so what is "thaw" for and is it any good
[0:29] <anonymouse> i should say, i understand it has to do with getting files from freenet
[0:29] <anonymouse> and i know on the old freenet there were tools such as fuqid for that
[0:29] <anonymouse> is thaw the better way on 0.7?
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[0:33] <TheSeeker> there is no 'better way' really, it's pretty much all the same.
[0:34] <TheSeeker> Frost currently doesn't allow uploads or downloads direct disk access though, so can be slower and use a lot more memory.
[0:34] <anonymouse> you mean thaw?
[0:35] <TheSeeker> no, thaw is something different.
[0:36] <TheSeeker> much like fuqid, it simply tells the node to start uploads or downloads, and displays progress as it monitors the global queue
[0:37] <TheSeeker> thaw itself doesn't do any of the work. You can close thaw and whatever inserts or downloads you have going will continue on just fine as long as the node is up.
[0:43] <anonymouse> oh
[0:43] <anonymouse> ok i think i understand now
[0:43] <anonymouse> i never knew that about fuqid
[0:43] <anonymouse> i assumed it had to always be running
[0:43] <anonymouse> (when it was working)
[0:44] <anonymouse> maybe that was just for the 0.5 version
[0:44] <anonymouse> or maybe i'm just completely wrong =)
[0:46] <TheSeeker> in 0.5 the client apps had control over inserts, this is no longer the case in 0.7
[0:46] <anonymouse> fascinating
[0:47] <anonymouse> so now I understand why you say the choice of tool does not matter much
[0:47] <anonymouse> they all just call the same API
[0:49] <TheSeeker> the best tool to use will usually be the one that uses the smallest footprint on your system, and has the best UI for relaying the information on the global queue to the user. Personally, I still prefer FUQID over Thaw ... but Fuqid hasnt' been updated in a while, and Thaw is actively developed...
[0:50] <anonymouse> that is good to know
[0:58] <ddds> location to get Thaw?
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[1:02] <TheSeeker> downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/Thaw
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[1:11] <SinnerG> 3 more days and then it's my baby girl her first bday =D
[1:11] <SinnerG> damn, I'll have to change baby girl to little girl then.. :P
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[6:34] <CIA-14> mrogers * r10658 /trunk/apps/load-balancing-sims/ (kleinberg-attack/Sim.java phase6/Sim.java): Kleinberg shortcuts should be added randomly with replacement
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[8:59] <_ph00> anyone knows wheter ljn'81 is still alive? His node has been disconnectyed for the last three days
[8:59] <_ph00> whether
[9:00] <IWantNodes> _ph00 if you had my big node i have changed my ref sorry
[9:01] <_ph00> yes, I thinnk I had one "mybignode"
[9:02] <IWantNodes> you still got me as we can swap if you want
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[9:33] <mario69> pInstantReject: 36,4% , slowly dropping, was ~70% in recent 10 minutes. Anybody else seeing this?
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[11:13] <CIA-14> toad * r10659 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/client/async/SingleFileInserter.java: Fix bug #811.
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[11:25] <CIA-14> toad * r10660 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/Version.java: 991: Fix a CSS bug and a bug inserting single block files with metadata (affected Frost).
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[15:09] <Zedolimasisa> Hi
[15:10] <Zedolimasisa> ??
[15:10] <Zedolimasisa> peers??
[15:12] <sleon> hi Zedolimasisa
[15:12] <sleon> Zedolimasisa: #freenet-refs
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[15:15] <Zedolimasisa> #freenet-refs
[15:15] <Zedolimasisa> ??
[15:15] <Zedolimasisa> hi sleon
[15:16] <Zedolimasisa> Guess I need some nods
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[16:43] <_ph00> vextr, is you node down? (looks disconnected here)
[16:43] <vextr> yep... its sposed to be updating.. but looks hung.
[16:43] <_ph00> k
[16:44] <vextr> I'll kick it a bit later..
[16:45] <_ph00> don't kick anythinig
[16:45] <_ph00> sometimes it takes time when it needs to restart aftwer updating
[16:45] <_ph00> after*
[16:46] <_ph00> well..
[16:46] <_ph00> ok, if it's been hung for a *long* time, then I don't know you, but I would kill it
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[17:20] <sandos> sanity, I saw the youtube video called "the future of darknets".. thought you were great ;) ("I'm going to copy some data right now, and its not going to cost anything.. its called the 'cp' command)
[17:20] <sandos> hah
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[20:16] <investigator> I've been downloading a file, using Fuqid, for three days now, and I still have only 41% of it. Is there any way I can decode what I've already got?
[20:17] <investigator> (I didn't know it was this big when I decided to download it)
[20:19] <TheSeeker> as far as I know, no. Freenet uses forward error correction, so all blocks are encoded such that any combinatino of blocks can be used to constuft the original file, as long as you have enough of them... without enough of them you just have a bunch of random data. :P
[20:20] <TheSeeker> Or maybe you can only encode the first set of consecutive blocks? I'll have to look it up.. but the odds of you having a lot of consecutive blocks at the start of the file are low...
[20:20] <investigator> I've got 41% of it
[20:20] <investigator> about 143 megs so far. I wouldn't have downloaded it if I had known
[20:23] <TheSeeker> You have 41% of the blocks needed to reconstruct the file... we fetch blocks randomly, including blocks from the 50% extra that are there to ensure that the file can be retrieved... you really ony have about 27% of the blocks that made up the insert...
[20:23] <investigator> ok. I think I'm just going to cancel it. It doesn't look like something that's worth waiting a week for
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[20:24] <investigator> I've got 384 megs of RAM, and find that when I run Freenet I get a lot of delays due to page thrashing. I'm thinking of upgrading to 1 gig of RAM. Will that help?
[20:25] <TheSeeker> probably.
[20:25] <investigator> I thought so
[20:25] <investigator> I may have to shut down my node until I get the RAM
[20:25] <TheSeeker> I've got 3G of ram, so I don't get paging much anymore besides normal OS caching stuff. :P
[20:26] <investigator> right. must be nice
[20:26] <investigator> my machine has a max of 1 gig, so I"ll have to make do with that
[20:26] <investigator> my previous machine had 72 megs, so I thought 384 would be plenty. Of course, with winXP
[20:27] <investigator> XP seems to use it all up just to boot
[20:28] <TheSeeker> hmm, fuqid for 0.5 had the ability to preview files... which means you must not need all available blocks to start decoding... perhaps that mechanism should be added to the node... "save current progress to file" so you can preview and see if it's what it says it is...
[20:29] <investigator> yeah, that would be good
[20:29] <investigator> machine came with 128, if you can believe it. I bought 256 more before I ever started it up
[20:29] <TheSeeker> must have been a cheap PC
[20:29] <investigator> it was
[20:29] <investigator> Dell Dim 2400
[20:30] <investigator> but the price was right
[20:30] <investigator> I'll keep an eye out for the sales on RAM and get it on next sale
[20:33] <investigator> I've heard talk that your 'node neighbours' (peers) can probe your datastore to see what's there. Any idea how this is done?
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[21:48] <_ph00> nodeAveragePingTime too high
[21:48] <_ph00> Your node is having trouble talking with its peers quickly enough (4622 > 3000). Decrease your output bandwidth limit and/or remove some peers to improve the situation.
[21:48] <_ph00> never had that problem before
[21:48] <_ph00> how bad is that?
[21:49] <_ph00> what if I reduced the bandwidth dedicated to something else?, for exaple a bittorrent seeding thgat I'va already seeded more than enough?
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[22:00] <TheSeeker> remember that downloading uses upload bandwidth for acks too... for TCP connections anyway...
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[22:16] <Venor> is there any way to pause the downloads in progress?
[22:17] <_ph00> shutting freenet down?
[22:17] <Venor> apart from that :P
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[22:27] <nextgens> sanity> I've just replied to your mail; it's not emu's fault :)
[22:27] <sanity> nextgens: ah, thanks for pointing that out
[22:28] <nextgens> I think emu isn't doing that much false-positive
[22:28] <nextgens> but it's still failing to detect too much spam
[22:29] <nextgens> it detects most
[22:29] <nextgens> but some french spam still go through
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[22:29] <nextgens> at least on my inbox :|
[22:39] <sanity> yeah, those spam@freenetproject.org ham@freenetproject.org addresses still work right?
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[22:40] <nextgens> yes
[22:41] <Wiredpanda> so...why is it that I decide to cook some steak and potatoes....at 00:40?
[22:42] <Wiredpanda> oops, wrong channel
[22:44] <sanity> Wiredpanda: yeah, you need #steakandpotatoes
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[22:46] <nextgens> good night
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[22:57] <Wiredpanda> sanity: well 't was good steak
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[23:06] <adamantzm> veggie nuggets make me sick
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[23:21] <Anonobody> hi
[23:22] <Anonobody> are there any techies in tonight?
[23:22] <Anonobody> got a problem with my freenet 0.7 install
[23:22] <Anonobody> Here's the log - http://dark-code.bulix.org/4lgxpv-19997?raw
[23:23] <Anonobody> any ideas?
[23:29] <adamantzm> no clue
[23:29] <adamantzm> are you new to freenet?
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[23:32] <adamantzm> the freenova SSK isn't working for me...
[23:33] <adamantzm> Error: Invalid URI: Wrong extra bytes
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[23:37] <Anonobody> I've used freenet now and again but never 0.7 on linux
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[23:47] <MineHaunter> adamantzm: that url is from freenet 0.5, it won't work on 0.7 - key syntax is different on this new version
[23:48] <adamantzm> is there a way to convert or use the url?
[23:49] <MineHaunter> No, it is useless. It points to a content which isn't stored in freenet 0.7 network
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[23:57] * bsmntbombdood (n=gavin@) Quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
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