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[0:00] <edt> interesting, even though I have not input limits I have yet to see an input at a rate higher than 20k/s.
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[0:14] <TheSeeker> how can you have 'no input limits' ?
[0:16] <edt> by setting the limit to -1 or unlimited
[0:17] <edt> the bottleneck here is output bandwidth
[0:17] <edt> I have over 30x more input bandwidth
[0:17] <edt> so I leave input unlimited
[0:17] <edt> looks like freenet does not take advantage of this though
[0:18] <edt> (eg 100k/s upload, 3000k/s download)
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[0:26] <MineHaunter> etd: Input bandwidth limit (bytes/sec); the node will try not to exceed this; -1 = 4x set outputBandwidthLimit
[0:26] <MineHaunter> so your -1 doesn't mean unlimited, it is 4x outputBandwidthLimit
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[0:27] <edt> MineHaunter ok. In any case freenet does not use near this ammount of bandwidth
[0:28] <MineHaunter> k, just to know :)
[0:28] <edt> I have yet to see it exceed the 30k/s input bandwidth (actually I have yet to see it use more than 20k/s for either)
[0:28] <MineHaunter> maybe if you have unused bandwidth you should add some more peers
[0:29] <edt> think there may be a big win in fixing this - I have between 6 and 11 peers depending on who is connected
[0:29] <edt> which is better than the average that freenet is reporting (5.7).
[0:58] <SinnerG> anyway
[0:58] <SinnerG> I had 80 connected nodes
[0:58] <SinnerG> max in/out combined : 120Kbyte/s
[0:58] <SinnerG> so yeah, I could say freenet doesnt usage the available bw to its fullest ;)
[1:00] <TheSeeker> hmm, I think I've discovered something ... a perfect kleinburg network only works if all nodes have the same number of connections...
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[1:54] <SinnerG> okay, stupid part one of my TCE project is 'done' : TCE-BaseInstall.sh (fetches + installs PHP5 with mysql + ncurses support)
[1:54] <SinnerG> the 'real' setup script will be written in PHP5 + ncurses : made this script to install the base system
[1:55] <SinnerG> (tested it on a bare ubuntu setup with everything up2date (aka apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and ssh installed (its in vmware ;p))
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[2:22] <Valunthar> does anybody know how to set up a DGL 4300 router for full cone NAT?
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[2:41] <TheSeeker> BT is just so much better than freenet it's sick :P I've been uploading at a solid 60K/s for 22.5 hours now... and will probably keep doing so until I shut down and stop seeding.
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[2:48] <anonymouse> wonder why my node doesn't show an update link for 990
[2:49] <anonymouse> i go away for the weekend and 3 revisions go by, and the last one is mandatory?
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[2:49] <anonymouse> nm update link appeared now =)
[2:51] <anonymouse> so many peers d/c
[2:51] <anonymouse> i wonder whether they have dropped me
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[3:01] <Eol> can't seem to pull 990 autoupdated .. what is the manual link (bash update.sh hasn't worked since maybe 940 for me)
[3:04] <anonymouse> does the link in the topic not have that info?
[3:04] <anonymouse> mine worked via autoup
[3:04] <anonymouse> though most of my peers are dead; think they dropped me while I was gone over the weekend and my node hung
[3:05] <Eol> the link is a full install
[3:05] <Eol> just want the update
[3:05] <Eol> or maybe a update.sh that works even :)
[3:06] <anonymouse> only tried the update script once (on windows) and it worked
[3:14] <ThigMacJon> does freemule work? i've connected but there seems to be no files?
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[4:09] <anonymouse> bah
[4:09] <anonymouse> apparently i just can't use freenet until i move my node to a dedicated linux machine
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[5:19] <mark3d> hi
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[6:18] <CIA-14> jflesch * r10655 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/fcp/FCPClientGet.java: Fix status display when downloading
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[6:31] <_ph00> anonymouse, still there??
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[8:37] <Waggie> Hi folks, I know most everyone is likely to be asleep, but I've got a question..
[8:37] <Waggie> I updated my node from 978, and now my node is restarting..
[8:38] <Waggie> It's reading store in preparation for shrinking, but it's taking hours.
[8:38] <Waggie> Is this normal?
[8:38] <Waggie> Note, I do have a 20 GB store..
[8:38] <Waggie> However, it's been about 3-4 hours getting to 50%..
[9:00] <sleon> Waggie: can you show me the sdtatus ?
[9:01] <Waggie> INFO | jvm 1 | 2006/10/10 02:00:22 | Reading store prior to shrink: 50% ( 286720/562336)
[9:01] <Waggie> Is that what you're asking for?
[9:02] <Waggie> That's from wrapper.log
[9:03] <Waggie> BTW, I'm running this on WinXP..
[9:09] <sleon> Waggie: and it is not goign further for already 5 hours ?
[9:11] <sleon> Waggie: and what is in the log file ?
[9:11] <sleon> can you look at the end of a logfile with extension .log in the logs directory ?
[9:11] <Waggie> It's going further, just very slowly..
[9:12] <sleon> how much ram dzou have ?
[9:12] <sleon> what cpu?
[9:13] <Waggie> 1.5 GB RAM, P4 3GHz HT.
[9:14] <Waggie> The latest log I have that has anything in it is gziped and it contains "(freenet.node.FNPPacketMangler, UdpSocketManager sender thread on port 21212, ERROR): Unmatchable packet from 82.233.218.241:22419
[9:14] <Waggie> Oct 10, 2006 05:30:02:968 (freenet.node.FNPPacketMangler, UdpSocketManager sender thread on port 21212, ERROR): Unmatchable packet from 82.233.218.241:22419
[9:14] <Waggie> "
[9:14] <sleon> hmm, can you look at the tasks lists. how much cpu do java processes take ?
[9:14] <sleon> Waggie: ok, so the logging facility was not started yet
[9:14] <Waggie> Consistently at 50% and ~140MB.
[9:14] <sleon> Waggie: but you have really lots of keys
[9:14] <sleon> Waggie: i have here 10g store node
[9:15] <sleon> and i have only , let me say how much
[9:15] <sleon> second
[9:15] <sleon> Shrinking store: 101564 -> 100750 (from db 101273 from file 101564)
[9:15] <sleon> a ok :)
[9:16] <sleon> but still you have 5 times as many
[9:16] <sleon> and your store size is only twice as big
[9:16] <Waggie> Should I increase the amount of memory allocated to that JVM?
[9:22] <sleon> nope
[9:22] <sleon> Waggie: it is ok
[9:22] <sleon> Waggie: or wait
[9:22] <sleon> Waggie: hier it is 400 mb
[9:23] <sleon> Waggie: but still it it not an explanation for this slowness
[9:29] <Waggie> How long does your node take to shrink?
[9:31] <sleon> Waggie: now it takes only maybe 3 minutes to start up
[9:31] <sleon> but i remeber it needed something like 30 miutes once
[9:33] <sleon> but normaly i have only something like 1000 keys to shring and not 500k
[9:34] * Waggie nods..
[9:34] <Waggie> 500k is a lot of keys..
[9:34] <Waggie> But not unsurprisingly, considering a 20 GB store.
[9:43] <sleon> Waggie: i have 10 g store
[9:43] <sleon> Waggie: the reason could be the the shrinking was introduced after 978
[9:43] <sleon> and then everything is shrunk at once
[9:43] <Waggie> Likely..
[9:43] <sleon> and then it is incremental
[9:43] <Waggie> Well, I closed the browser window, but I was looking over some IRC logs regarding the topic..
[9:44] <Waggie> Seems they were wanting to make it gradual..
[9:44] <Waggie> Guess it didn't happen that way.
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[9:57] <Waggie> Hi toad.
[9:57] <Waggie> err.. toad_
[9:57] <Waggie> :)
[10:00] <toad_> hi
[10:01] <Waggie> I was just discussing with sleon the fact that my node is taking a rather obnoxiously long time to start up.. It's going through the steps of "reading store prior to shrinking"
[10:02] <toad_> :|
[10:02] <Waggie> I just updated from 978.
[10:02] <toad_> well currently it does that, once you fill up the cache; every time you start up, the store has grown, so it shrinks the cache
[10:02] <Waggie> I've got a 20 GB store..
[10:03] <Waggie> From wrapper.log: INFO | jvm 1 | 2006/10/10 03:02:32 | Reading store prior to shrink: 58% ( 331776/562336)
[10:03] <toad_> maybe there should be a minimum delta
[10:03] <toad_> how long is it taking?
[10:03] <Waggie> I'm at about 4 hours now.
[10:04] <Waggie> My machine is a P4 3.0 GHz w/ HT, with 1.5 GB RAM, 128 MB allocated to the VM..
[10:04] <Waggie> Running XP (hangs head in shame)
[10:06] <toad_> hmmm
[10:06] <toad_> surprisingly slow
[10:06] <toad_> does giving it more or less RAM make it faster or slower?
[10:06] <Waggie> java.exe is running pretty consistent at 50% CPU usage, and it sticking to it's 140 MB of RAM.
[10:06] <Waggie> Haven't tried messing with it.
[10:06] <toad_> might be worth looking at
[10:07] <Waggie> When I saw it was actually doing something, I was already invested in time, and wanted to let it complete rather than risk it starting all over.
[10:07] <Waggie> I have modified my wrapper.conf to allow 256 MB for my next start-up.
[10:08] <toad_> ok
[10:08] <toad_> file a bug when you have more information
[10:08] <toad_> on bugs.freenetproject.org
[10:08] <Waggie> Will do.
[10:08] <Waggie> Any other suggestions I should try to get more info for a bug report?
[10:10] <Waggie> You know, for being alpha code, it's actually surprisingly stable.
[10:10] <Waggie> (from my POV)
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[10:11] <Waggie> Thanks for all your hard work. :)
[10:13] <toad_> maybe we should call it beta then :)
[10:14] <sleon> toad_: :D
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[10:24] <toad_> need to be a bit more feature complete first imho :)
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[11:25] <edt> 590 seems pretty good - does not use all the bandwidth its allocated though - about 2/3 output (20/30k/s) and the same on input, where it is allowed 120k/s
[11:27] <edt> to be clear on input I've yet to see over 20k/s out of 120k/s available
[11:28] * edt uses 256m too
[11:29] <edt> and has 80h uptime with 590
[11:30] <edt> I would second calling 0.7 beta code
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[11:46] <toad_> edt: it consistently uses 2/3rds of input bandwidth?
[11:46] <toad_> edt: could you possibly test it with 20k, 30k, 15k, 10k limits? does it always use 2/3rds of the set limit on average?
[11:46] <toad_> errr output
[11:47] <toad_> edt: we can't call it a beta without opennet support
[11:47] <toad_> and much better load limiting
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[11:58] <mario69> nodeUptime: 1d22h. Are store stats still needed?
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[12:09] <MineHaunter> My node seems to be unable to load native fec library
[12:09] <MineHaunter> I get this error: http://dark-code.bulix.org/qbsfky-19843?raw
[12:10] <MineHaunter> Failed to load native FEC: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError
[12:10] <MineHaunter> Otherwise it runs fine, only it use a lot of CPU time, sometimes it stays at 100%
[12:11] <mario69> MineHaunter, AFAIK a well known problem.
[12:11] <MineHaunter> I have JRE 1.5.0 running on windows xp
[12:13] <MineHaunter> is there any fix planned for this problema?
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[12:24] <att309> hello
[12:24] <att309> I have a problem with frost: if I start it it stops loading when it says "sending your IP to NSA"
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[12:25] <Daciel> Man, that's the least of the problem. Mine has a fluctating hypercube. ;-)
[12:25] <att309> I pass the fluctating hypercube..
[12:27] <mario69> with a ridiculous speed :-)
[12:29] <MineHaunter> att309: any error in the logs?
[12:31] <att309> yes, it says it cannot connect to the FCP node
[12:31] <att309> but it is running
[12:32] <att309> i mean the node is running
[12:44] <_ph00> anonymouse: around?
[12:53] <sleon> # Cache hits: 1,145 / 23,859 (4%)
[12:53] <sleon> # Store hits: 103 / 19,376 (0%)
[12:58] <mario69> Cache hits: 4 802 / 95 605 (5%); Store hits: 483 / 76 243 (0%)
[12:59] <mario69> # Cached keys: 36 492 (1.11 GiB); # Stored keys: 27 498 (859 MiB)
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[13:44] <The> can anybody tell me where can i find my own GUID ?
[13:47] <sleon> The: type in id
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[13:49] <The> where can i type`?
[13:49] <The> can i see it with FProxy
[13:49] <Another> ping toad
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[14:36] <JonelytheLonely> ok thank u for the little help
[14:36] <JonelytheLonely> see u round the nova forums
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[15:48] <Daciel> Anybode using Thaw to insert files?
[15:48] <Daciel> Thaw wouldn't tell me the key when it's done....
[15:51] <Daciel> never mind... found it. I used the wrong clipboard.
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[16:02] <sleon> Daciel: thaw is great :)
[16:03] <Daciel> Yep. But I just learned that java uses another clipboard than X. So I was confused a bit.
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[16:09] <sleon> Daciel: and which clipboard is that ?
[16:10] <Daciel> the java one. CTRL+V in any java-app. I used the middle-mouse-click
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[16:10] <Daciel> I haven't really understood the difference. Maybe my X is a bit strange.
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[16:41] <rebo123> hello
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[16:41] <rebo123> Is there some way to connect to a freenet 0.5 site?
[16:42] <rebo123> (also, to run freenet 0.5 and 0.7 side by side?)
[16:42] <rebo123> or maybe there are public access portals?
[16:43] <greycat> they are totally independent programs and networks. you can run them both, but they won't talk to each other at all
[16:43] <rebo123> ah
[16:43] <rebo123> I actually just need to load 1 freenet 0.5 page
[16:44] <rebo123> ^^
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[17:18] <IWantNodes> sorry but you need to run a .5 server as well. I do somewimes but it nicks a lot of band width so i dont very often
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[17:20] <nextgens> starting a .5 node means awaiting almost a week to get integrated to the network though ;)
[17:22] <nextgens> rebo123> try http://blcss.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?
[17:22] <nextgens> if you don't mind not beeing anonymous though
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[17:29] <CIA-14> jflesch * r10656 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/fcp/ (FCPClientGet.java FCPConnection.java): Fix FCPClientGet
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[18:15] <bback> hi
[18:16] <bback> anyone alive
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[18:25] <bback> re
[18:26] * sleon sets mode +v bback
[18:26] <sleon> bback: hi
[18:27] <bback> hi
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[18:52] <CIA-14> jflesch * r10657 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/plugins/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Fix index first update
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[19:00] <ddds> Anyone know why everything would seem to be working even though my node page says it can't figure out my external address even after I give it a hint?
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[20:33] <Jflesch> does some know what "Error: Internal temp files error, maybe disk full or permissions problem?: oversubscribed dynamic bit lengths tree" means ? (most of all the last part ... ?)
[20:33] <Jflesch> s/some/someone/
[20:33] <Jflesch> +means
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[20:34] <melkis> maybe your disk is full or you don't have permission to write to that directory
[20:36] <Jflesch> melkis: ..... no.
[20:36] <Jflesch> my disk isn't full, and the permissions are correctly set
[20:37] <melkis> don't know then :(
[20:37] <ddds> Does anyone have an idea why I'd be able to use everything (except FUQID for some reason) but my node homepage says it can't find my external ip?
[20:38] <ddds> FUQID says my node is down or overloaded, but dunno if that's related or not.
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[20:39] <anonymouse> can hardly connect to any of my peers
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[20:45] <jeekl> does anyone know why frost won't detect that I'm connected? It tells me att boot that I'm not and disabels all fetching of news and boards
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[20:49] <sleon> jeekl: when it can not contant the node other fcp port then it shows you that message
[20:50] <jeekl> sleon: Okey, how can I fix it? I haven't touched my freenet config, it just started happening one day
[20:54] <anonymouse> darnit, I am too dumb about freenet to know why my peers aren't connected (except one)
[20:54] <anonymouse> Getting traffic in from the internet just fine
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[21:02] <sleon> jeekl: check your firewall
[21:03] <sleon> anonymouse: hmmm , maybe try to read wiki to get little clue?
[21:03] <jeekl> sleon: Already thought of that. It's disabled.
[21:03] <sleon> jeekl: really? wiki is down?
[21:03] <jeekl> No, my firewall
[21:03] <sleon> a
[21:03] <sleon> try to connect to the fcp port with telnet then
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[21:04] <jeekl> what port is the standard fcp-port?
[21:05] <ddds> you can find out what your fcp port is by looking in your freenet.ini
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[21:07] <jeekl> ddds: elnet 127.0.0.1:9481 right?
[21:07] <jeekl> *telnet
[21:07] <ddds> port would be 9481
[21:07] <ddds> I guess so
[21:07] <jeekl> "telnet: could not resolve 127.0.0.1:9481/telnet: Name or service not known"
[21:07] <ddds> I also had to add my listen port to my port forward
[21:08] <jeekl> my port forward? in freenet?
[21:08] <ddds> you using nat?
[21:09] <jeekl> Hm, tell me how I check that?
[21:09] <ddds> you have one of those devices that you plug your cable modem/dsl modem into?
[21:10] <ddds> linksys or dlink or whatever a lot of times
[21:10] <jeekl> No, plugged directly into the modem.
[21:10] <ddds> hm
[21:10] <ddds> then dunno
[21:10] <sleon> telnet hostname port
[21:10] <sleon> not
[21:10] <jeekl> (and I would touch anything else than 3com and cisco-stuff anyway ;-) )
[21:10] <sleon> telnet hostname:port <-- so is wrong
[21:11] <jeekl> sleon: Aha
[21:11] <ddds> well, linksys wrt54g with 3rd party firmware is pretty slick
[21:11] <ddds> plus cisco owns linksys now ;P
[21:11] <jeekl> [jeff@marisa][23:07:03]
[21:11] <jeekl> [~/Freenet]$ telnet 127.0.0.1 9481
[21:11] <jeekl> Trying 127.0.0.1...
[21:11] <jeekl> Connected to 127.0.0.1.
[21:11] <jeekl> Escape character is '^]'.
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[21:12] <jeekl> Thats akll I get
[21:12] <sleon> jeekl: type something like
[21:12] <sleon> HELO FROM bla
[21:12] <jeekl> HELO FROM bla
[21:12] <jeekl> ProtocolError
[21:12] <jeekl> Fatal=false
[21:12] <jeekl> ExtraDescription=Unknown message name ehlo
[21:12] <jeekl> Code=7
[21:12] <jeekl> CodeDescription=Don't know what to do with message
[21:12] <jeekl> EndMessage
[21:13] <sleon> nice
[21:13] <sleon> then it should work
[21:13] <sleon> when frost runs on that computer
[21:13] <sleon> and it is setup to connect to 127.0.0.1
[21:13] <sleon> and that give nport
[21:13] <sleon> then it should work
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[21:17] <jeekl> http://img280.imageshack.us/img280/9486/frostqw3.png
[21:17] <jeekl> This is what I get every time
[21:18] <jeekl> I started getting this error after freenet quit by my computer turning off during a thunderstorm.
[21:18] <jeekl> And since then It's never worked.
[21:18] <jeekl> That was maybe two weeks ago
[21:19] <ddds> maybe check in frost or frost config file under miscellaneous settings to make sure that your freenet.ini FCP port is same as the one frost thinks it is?
[21:19] <ddds> that's how I got fuqid working
[21:20] <sleon> jeekl: check frost.ini
[21:20] <ddds> cuz fuqid thought the fcp port was 8481 instead of 9481 for some reason
[21:20] <sleon> jeekl: check the port numer there
[21:20] <anonymouse> I need someone who understands the freenet UDP traffic to help me debug this stuff
[21:20] <anonymouse> I am exchanging packets with my peers, but they are not showing as "connected"
[21:21] <anonymouse> both sides have the correct refs
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[21:22] <jeekl> I can't find any setting for port number in frost.ini?
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[21:24] <jeekl> http://pastebin.ca/196766 - My config/frost.ini file
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[21:26] <anonymouse> is it one of those settings that does not get written out unless it is different from the default value?
[21:29] <anonymouse> My freenet is going f'in crazy using interrupts. It's lagging my mouse pointer whenever the freenet service is up
[21:29] <anonymouse> =(
[21:29] <anonymouse> Maybe something related with why my peer connections are failing
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[21:42] <jeekl> sleon, ddds no ideas?
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[22:15] <sleon> jeekl: there should be :=
[22:15] <sleon> jeekl: it is only string with hostname:port
[22:16] <jeekl> sleon: Where should that line be? http://pastebin.ca/196766
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[22:20] <sleon> jeekl: sek
[22:21] <sleon> jeekl: is this frost.ini ?
[22:21] <anonymouse> great now I am down to one peer
[22:21] <jeekl> sleon: Yep, that's my frost.ini
[22:21] <sleon> jeekl: it is missing then the option
[22:22] <sleon> jeekl: make a copy of your identity.xml
[22:22] <sleon> then delete frost.ini
[22:22] <jeekl> abbrapporter kvara tt skriva till en kurs som slutade i fredags :3
[22:22] <sleon> then start frost again
[22:22] <jeekl> sry, wrong channel
[22:22] <jeekl> I'lltry deleting it
[22:23] <anonymouse> I have all these 197-byte packets flying around with my peers but nothing ends up connecting
[22:23] <sleon> jeekl: are you kde developer?
[22:23] <sleon> anonymouse: did both sides add the refs ?
[22:23] <sleon> anonymouse: try using stun plugin maybe? , can i see your ref you give to the peers?
[22:24] <jeekl> sleon: Nope, but I do a bit of programming in QT and do some pseronal hacks on KDE. I want to be a dev someday.
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[22:24] <sleon> jeekl: nice :)
[22:24] <jeekl> sleon: Are you into it too? :-)
[22:24] <sleon> jeekl: :)
[22:25] <anonymouse> sleon: sure I will msg you
[22:25] <sleon> anonymouse: msg me pastbin please
[22:26] <anonymouse> of course sleon
[22:26] * anonymouse != idiot
[22:26] <anonymouse> =)
[22:26] <sleon> hrm
[22:26] <jeekl> sleon: Unbeliveable. I deleted frost.ini and reran frost and I still get the same error
[22:26] * sleon takes a note about that
[22:27] <nextgens> :XD
[22:27] <sleon> jeekl: look at frost.ini now again
[22:27] <sleon> jeekl: make a backup copy and start a freshinstallation
[22:28] <jeekl> sleon: A instance of java was still active in the abckgrpund sorry. It's writing to a new frost.ini now
[22:29] <jeekl> Hm it asked me for my freenet version, I picked .7 and it now asks if I want to convert my messages?
[22:29] <jeekl> What's the converstion for?
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[22:29] <jeekl> They've been 0.7-messages all the time
[22:29] <sleon> jeekl: when you would0.5 frost
[22:29] <sleon> it has a little different message format
[22:29] <sleon> jeekl: it is easier to ask then not to ask or even then to check if the format is correct
[22:29] <jeekl> Yeah, but I've never run .5 on this box
[22:29] <jeekl> Ah, I see
[22:30] <jeekl> Hm, all of my boards are gone. Downloads and uploads are disabled. :-/
[22:31] <sleon> jeekl: they are not gone
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[22:31] <sleon> jeekl: the directories are still available
[22:31] <sleon> jeekl: look at he message pool
[22:31] <sleon> for the names of directories, and add this boards, then they will have the messages you downloaded sofar
[22:32] <jeekl> Yeah, but gone from the interface
[22:32] <jeekl> I deleted my identities-file and it worked
[22:32] <jeekl> Frost connects now
[22:32] <jeekl> But I still need to import all my boards
[22:34] <sleon> jeekl: not import, recrete them
[22:34] <jeekl> Yeah, I understand. Just add the board using the global add board button thingie and then the messages appear?
[22:34] <jeekl> Even if I ahve some idiotic boards with and without keys?
[22:34] <jeekl> Dunno what the keys for the boards are for anyway
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[22:37] <sleon> jeekl: to limit number of ppl who can post to them
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[22:40] <jeekl> sleon: Thanks alot for your help, it works now! :-)
[22:40] <jeekl> Thanks to you too, ddds
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[22:40] <sleon> jeekl: have fun, and be good boy
[22:40] <jeekl> sleon: Always :-)
[22:41] <jeekl> We're all in it for the Gnu, right?
[22:41] <jeekl> ;-)
[22:41] <sleon> yep
[22:41] <jeekl> Btw, was anyone here involved with the fsfe-demos against drm on oct3?
[22:42] <sleon> jeekl: where will they happen?
[22:42] <jeekl> They DID happen all over euorppe. I was involved in the swedish one.
[22:42] <sleon> nice
[22:42] <jeekl> We only had on, in Gothenburg, swedens second largest city
[22:43] <jeekl> Yeah, really was.
[22:44] <jeekl> We walked around and told people of their threatened freedom. We looked like this: http://drm.info/files/images/pict0138.preview.jpg
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[22:54] <sleon> jeekl: heh
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[23:05] <anonymouse> =(
[23:05] <anonymouse> It seems like most of the packets are not reaching all the way to the node
[23:05] <anonymouse> but ethereal sees them fine
[23:05] <anonymouse> but the only "<-" lines I see are from my one successfully connected peer
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[23:12] <bowdo> Hi, just wanted to ask a quick question
[23:12] <anonymouse> What could be discarding the traffic between ethereal and freenet
[23:12] <bowdo> how long does it take before browsing happens relatively quickly on freenet?
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[23:24] <_ph00> anonymouse, your node has been disconnected for three days, what's going on?
[23:24] <anonymouse> there's a bug of some kind
[23:25] <anonymouse> only one i can connect to is agsarite
[23:25] <anonymouse> traffic is exchanging between our nodes but it is only the 197 byte setup packets
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[23:25] <anonymouse> for some reason my node does not "see" that traffic, even though it is coming in to my host
[23:25] <anonymouse> I cap it with ethereal and everything
[23:26] <konsul> firewall-issues?
[23:26] <anonymouse> in the last 2 minutes, our nodes exchanged 43 setup packets =)
[23:26] <anonymouse> konsul: I thought so, so I disabled my host firewall completely
[23:26] <anonymouse> no help there
[23:27] <konsul> nat-router-problems?
[23:27] <_ph00> well I have a firewall-like issue: I can't port forward. But iw works anyway, in most cases
[23:27] <anonymouse> konsul if so then my host would not see the packets in ethereal
[23:27] <konsul> _ph00: u can connect to non-firewalled users, but not the firewalled ones
[23:27] <_ph00> right
[23:28] <anonymouse> i am a "non" for practical purposes
[23:28] <anonymouse> i have a static IP and can port forward
[23:28] <anonymouse> all that is set up right (i'm a net consultant, i understand what i'm talking about)
[23:28] <anonymouse> and it worked until this weekend
[23:28] <anonymouse> then mysteriously stopped
[23:28] <_ph00> I can connect as long as they can accept inbound connections. if I want to add a peer like miself (no port forwarding) we wouldnever connect
[23:29] <anonymouse> unless you can use stun or something
[23:29] <anonymouse> myself, i see it as an extra security risk
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[23:30] <_ph00> well... I'm no-real-job "computer guy", the klind who does jobs that any 12 years old kid can do, but their parents don't allow them to do that and call me intead of the *real* computer guy (the one from a couputer store) that wants too much money and won't reinstall windows.
[23:31] <_ph00> port forwarding don't require a computer expert...
[23:31] <anonymouse> I was not disparaging you ph,
[23:31] <_ph00> but anyway, I can't do that because of my lousy ISP, nit because I don't know how to do it
[23:31] <anonymouse> i'm just saying for the benefit of people here so they won't try to help me with "make sure it's plugged in" type suggestions
[23:32] <_ph00> yeah. I understand that... but they have to do those suggestion, if you have to do with computer users who can't use their computers, you should know that it's always good to try the "duh" suggestions first
[23:33] <anonymouse> AHA
[23:33] <anonymouse> i got it
[23:33] <bowdo> Cannot agree more :)
[23:33] <anonymouse> it was some obscure windows service
[23:33] <anonymouse> when i stopped it, magically I can connect now
[23:33] <_ph00> aha!
[23:33] <_ph00> once again, the problem was windows
[23:33] * anonymouse KICKS THE LIVING SHIT OUT OF WINDOWS
[23:34] <_ph00> just switch to linux, like all normal people
[23:34] <anonymouse> god i really want a dedicated linux machine for my node
[23:34] <anonymouse> oh i want to
[23:34] <anonymouse> but at the moment i am out of hardware
[23:34] <_ph00> you don't need a dedicated machine for the node
[23:34] <anonymouse> well i don't have time to migrate all my computer use over to linux
[23:34] <anonymouse> too busy
[23:34] <_ph00> out of hardware?!? if you can run XP on itr, you surely can run three od four linuxes
[23:35] <anonymouse> i have a new linux box that may become my desktop
[23:35] <anonymouse> but it's a raid-5 and one of the drives has a fritzy connection
[23:35] <TheSeeker> anonymouse: obscure windows service? You mean the service that the installer adds without telling you or giving you a means of removal? :P
[23:35] <anonymouse> so until i fix that i'm not going to start moving myself to linux
[23:35] <anonymouse> TheSeeker: I use OneCare which has a firewall and its own settings
[23:36] <anonymouse> but there was another service called "windows firewall / ICS"
[23:36] <TheSeeker> ah
[23:36] <anonymouse> and that one, which i think is pre-onecare, seemed to be responsible for the traffic weirdness
[23:36] <TheSeeker> I find that the windows firewall does a pretty good job.
[23:36] <anonymouse> it's disabled now =)
[23:36] <anonymouse> i can only assume the problem was caused by the configuration of the old windows firewall
[23:37] <_ph00> " warning: windows firewall is not activated, the computer may be exposed to risks" (LOL)
[23:37] <bowdo> windows firewall is junk, causes all manner of probs
[23:37] <anonymouse> i can't access its config any more since all firewall UIs now direct to the OneCare firewall
[23:37] <_ph00> not only causes problem, it doesn't even do its job
[23:37] <anonymouse> I am glad to have a host firewall
[23:37] <TheSeeker> I've never had a problem caused by windows firewall.
[23:37] <bowdo> track down a copy of 'sygate' if you can find it
[23:37] <bowdo> norton bought them out :(
[23:37] <anonymouse> and the onecare fw is fine enough for me
[23:37] <anonymouse> but this machine just needs to be smacked
[23:37] <TheSeeker> and every application I have that's tried to access the internet has been asked if it had permission... even IE :P
[23:38] <anonymouse> haven't reinstalled it since 2001
[23:38] <_ph00> If I wanted to run windows, and if I needed a software firewall, I'd go for PcCillin
[23:38] <TheSeeker> maybe the XP64 version of the firewall is just more robust than the SP2 version, but I doubt it.
[23:38] <bowdo> pccillin kicks ass ;)
[23:38] <anonymouse> i am behind another firewall anyway
[23:38] <anonymouse> i just want something on the machine that does basic protection. av/malware/fw
[23:38] <anonymouse> that's why i got onecare
[23:38] <bowdo> costs $$ though
[23:39] <anonymouse> god i'm so happy that my freenet works again
[23:39] <anonymouse> i started being real suspicious of the host again once sleon told me about the log level
[23:39] <TheSeeker> yeah, happy until you see it crawl along at 5-10K/s ;p
[23:39] <anonymouse> if i didn't get any traffic showing up even in "debug" level, then the node wasn't seein it
[23:40] <anonymouse> bah i just poke around with frost these days
[23:40] <anonymouse> since you know, there's no real content ;)
[23:40] <_ph00> Me, I don't have those problems: I'm behind a nasty ISP NAT, I can't port forward but the good news is that ...I am behind NAT. No incoming connections at all. Well Someone could make 'my' box connect to something, but that's another story.
[23:40] <TheSeeker> anonydrama = content
[23:42] <_ph00> anonymouse, OK we're connected now
[23:43] <anonymouse> =)
[23:45] <_ph00> I got bored of frost. The first days may be intresting, but after a while it gets really boring. anarcho-nerds would-be revolutionary guys flaming sex perverts, sex pervert talking about the sex they don't get, and undercover cops, both-hands-masturbators etc
[23:45] <anonymouse> well you could post something interesting
[23:46] <_ph00> that's basically it. some are sexually frustrated, some are socially frustrated,
[23:46] <anonymouse> i don't even know what else is interesting on freenet apart from frost
[23:46] <anonymouse> went to a couple freesites
[23:46] <anonymouse> i really just run freenet because I *can*
[23:46] <_ph00> frost is good to get addresses to freesites, to downloads etc
[23:46] <_ph00> "keys"
[23:46] <bowdo> I remember an article one of my mates sent me from freenet, some guy going off tap about bad vagina hygene
[23:47] <bowdo> it was a pisser
[23:47] <_ph00> but the forst discussions are 95% booooring
[23:47] <_ph00> <homer> booooring</homer>
[23:49] <_ph00> OK, I'm off for a while. seya later you guys
[23:49] <anonymouse> bye
[23:49] <bowdo> later
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