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[2:36] <rojosacerdotes> hi again
[2:36] <rojosacerdotes> is there a plugin that is compatible with xob that has window decorations? i tried bbleanskin, but i can't get it to load
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[4:45] <Dashkal> hrm, odd. Anybody else get the installer locking up when "Enabling the STUN plugin"? or is this just supposed to take a long time?
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[4:51] <Dashkal> oookay... I try to install again this time unchecking stun, so it locks in Librarian. fine, run again, unchecking librarian, and it locks on it anyway.... um...
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[7:21] <lokadin> how do i install frost?
[7:24] <sbc> lokadin: Assuming you have freenet running locally, downlaod the .zip, unpack, run frost.sh or frost.bat and that's it.
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[7:30] <lokadin> is it a command line thing
[7:30] <lokadin> or does it need an
[7:30] <lokadin> x server
[7:30] <sbc> lokadin: It needs X
[7:30] <lokadin> cause i'm having trouble doing that on my headless machine
[7:30] <sbc> lokadin: You can run it locally if you set up a ssh tunnel to your freenet node.
[7:31] <lokadin> i guess i can run freenet localy and connect to my server, or do you think that would be slow?
[7:31] <lokadin> yea i did
[7:31] <lokadin> but i dono why, the ssh tunnel isn't working
[7:31] <sbc> lokadin: Did your forward the FCP port?
[7:31] <lokadin> java -jar frost.jar wont load, complains aabout X
[7:31] <lokadin> yea
[7:32] <sbc> lokadin: It complains running locally?
[7:32] <lokadin> no over ssh
[7:32] <sbc> So you did ssh -X or somthing similar?
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[10:53] <bowdo> hi, anyone want to swap ref?
[10:57] <bowdo> ref?
[10:57] <bowdo> http://dark-code.bulix.org/txrdcm-19719
[10:58] <ThigMacJon> gey
[10:58] <ThigMacJon> http://dark-code.bulix.org/6f6ubl-19718
[10:59] <ThigMacJon> doesnt work here :(
[10:59] <bowdo> my ref?
[11:00] <ThigMacJon> yep
[11:01] <bowdo> hah ha, yours doesn't either
[11:01] <ThigMacJon> im behind an nat... how do I configure it, wish they put a port forwarding command somewhere!
[11:01] <bowdo> try now: http://dark-code.bulix.org/fulcjk-19720
[11:03] <bowdo> i added you, you were missing the start of the ref
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[11:04] <bowdo> hey _phoo, want to trade ref?
[11:06] <_ph00> wrong channel
[11:07] <sbc> #freenet-refs is the place.
[11:08] <bowdo> ah
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[11:56] <smee> my node says 'unknown external address', what do i do?
[11:59] <nextgens> hi
[11:59] <nextgens> smee> is the STUN plugin loaded ?
[11:59] <smee> how do i tell?
[11:59] <smee> i don't remember seeing anything about stun.
[12:00] <nextgens> check it out on http://127.0.0.1:8888/plugins/
[12:01] <smee> no plugins loaded
[12:01] <nextgens> what jvm version are you using ?
[12:01] <nextgens> try issuing "java -version" in a command prompt
[12:02] <smee> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_08-b03)
[12:02] <smee> do i want to get and install stun?
[12:04] <nextgens> I don't understand why it's not installed
[12:04] <nextgens> the installer ought to have set it up for you
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[12:04] <nextgens> unless you told it not to
[12:05] <nextgens> hiho toad_
[12:05] <smee> i installed freenet a while ago, was it added recently?
[12:05] <smee> do i need to reinstall freenet?
[12:05] <nextgens> well, two or three months ago iirc
[12:05] <nextgens> no
[12:05] <nextgens> do NOT reinstall
[12:06] <nextgens> smee> grab http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/plugins/JSTUN.jar.url
[12:06] <nextgens> rename it to JSTUN.jar
[12:06] <nextgens> and issue the following in the plugin box :
[12:07] <nextgens> '*@file:///path/to/JSTUN.jar'
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[12:07] <ShipHead> Thanks
[12:10] <smee> i tried adding it but it still says no plugins loaded.
[12:10] <smee> nevermind, my mistake
[12:10] <smee> the '*@' was important
[12:15] <ShipHead> Totally new to freenet. From what I've read, it seems that it is geared towards file-sharing. Is that not correct?
[12:17] <nextgens> it would be cool if #1000 had StS
[12:17] * nextgens fires eclipse up
[12:19] <smee> was the warning supposed to go away, because it hasn't.
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[12:20] <sleon> nextgens: my server is up again
[12:21] <nextgens> hmm
[12:21] <nextgens> so is your node ?
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[12:24] <sleon> nextgens: node is down
[12:24] <sleon> nextgens: someone rebooted my server
[12:28] <ShipHead> By which I mean to ask, is freenet high latency & bandwidth or low latency & bandwidth
[12:28] <sleon> ShipHead: lol, it is ultra low latency
[12:29] <smee> how so? is that a joke?
[12:29] <nextgens> it's high latency but high bandwidth
[12:29] <ShipHead> So I presume one can do things like stream media over it then, right?
[12:29] <ShipHead> nextgens: Ah
[12:29] <ShipHead> Then you can't
[12:30] <ShipHead> That's what I thought
[12:30] <ShipHead> It's for anonymizing file transfer
[12:30] <nextgens> you can't as it is in its current state
[12:30] <nextgens> it's for anonymizing access to a DHT
[12:31] <nextgens> and ensuring the DHT doesn't loose any data on purpose
[12:31] <smee> google tells me dht causes baldness.
[12:31] <ShipHead> SO what sort of files would otherwise be censored were it not for freenode?
[12:32] <ShipHead> freenet
[12:32] <ShipHead> excuse me
[12:32] <nextgens> smee> what's baldness ?
[12:32] * nextgens brings the wordbook
[12:33] <smee> loss of hair?
[12:33] <smee> it said it was a hormone.
[12:33] <nextgens> :D
[12:33] <nextgens> DHT stands for Distributed Hash Table
[12:34] <smee> heh, ok.
[12:34] <nextgens> it's much more than "file transfer", hence I specified it
[12:35] <nextgens> ShipHead> many things, including controversial ones
[12:35] <smee> all this time i thought freenet was for anonymizing access to male hormones.
[12:35] <smee> learn something new every day.
[12:35] * ShipHead whacks smee
[12:35] <ShipHead> nextgens: example?
[12:36] <ShipHead> Or is the first rule of freenet that you don't talk about the files stored?
[12:36] <nextgens> sorta
[12:37] <nextgens> we hardly ever speak about content here, on a logged, public channel
[12:37] <nextgens> but I'm sure you can imagine what kind of content you can find there
[12:37] <nextgens> from political manifests, to terrorist handbooks
[12:38] <ShipHead> Is what's available limited to who your refs are?
[12:38] <nextgens> no
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[12:38] <nextgens> but you have to trust the people to whom you're connected to
[12:39] <nextgens> at least to some extends : if someone is willing to snoop on what you do on freenet, it's likely only your neighboors can
[12:39] <ShipHead> If not, then it seems that content is public info anyway
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[12:39] <_ph00> toad_ is your node up? looks like we can't connect...
[12:40] <_ph00> theseeker, same as for toad
[12:40] <nextgens> ShipHead> the problem beeing that soon you're gonna ask me links to that content
[12:40] <nextgens> whatever the content is
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[12:41] <nextgens> and giving them to you means that I do have accessed it
[12:41] <nextgens> wich might be illegal "somewhere" in the world
[12:42] * nextgens sets mode +v LucisFerens
[12:42] <ShipHead> You only know what you've "accessed"? YOu can't download a title list?
[12:42] <ShipHead> That's weird
[12:42] <LucisFerens> thx nextgens
[12:43] <nextgens> ShipHead> well you can, that's what indexes are for
[12:44] <nextgens> but in case some expert has to do forensic on my node, he wouldn't be able to say whether I have accessed that content or not
[12:44] <nextgens> as indexes are often linking to "activelinks"
[12:44] <nextgens> and to show those activelinks, you have to fetch the manifest of the freesite
[12:45] <nextgens> wich contains decryption keys of most of it
[12:45] <nextgens> not sure I'm making sense there
[12:45] <nextgens> but anyway, we don't discuss about content here on #freenet, that's a rule :p
[12:47] <sleon> nextgens: jtcfrost.sf.net seems to be very slow
[12:47] <sleon> sf has problems now?
[12:47] <nextgens> dunno
[12:47] <sleon> nextgens: it is very slllooooow
[12:47] <greycat> SF was really lagged for me this morning. might be a transient thing.
[12:47] <nextgens> sleon> but SF having problems doesn't surprise me :)
[12:50] <sleon> nextgens: can you please test if you can reach jtcfrost.sf.net
[12:50] <nextgens> sf.net doesn't work anyway
[12:51] <nextgens> it's sourceforge.net now iirc
[12:51] <nextgens> sf.net doesn't work
[12:51] <nextgens> sourceforge.net is f*cking slow
[12:52] <nextgens> but it seems to work: so far the browser has loaded the title
[12:52] <sleon> :DDDD
[12:52] <sleon> i get timeouts all the time
[12:52] <sleon> nextgens: dos?
[12:52] <nextgens> btw http://freenetproject.org/ doesn't work either
[12:52] <nextgens> so yes, SF is having problems
[12:56] <sleon> spamassassin is hosted on sourceforge?
[13:00] <nextgens> wich one ?
[13:00] <nextgens> our MTA uses a local spamassassin, on emu
[13:00] <nextgens> no mail of the project is going though SF
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[13:19] <sleon> toad_:
[13:19] <sleon> toad_: me and my friend want to rewrite freenet 0.7 in C
[13:19] <sleon> to reduce memory usage
[13:19] <sleon> what do you think of that ?
[13:19] <greycat> Let us know when it's ready.
[13:19] * nextgens sets mode +v agsarite
[13:20] <nextgens> sleon> you're yetAnotherTroll, aren't you ?
[13:20] <nextgens> :)
[13:20] <nextgens> sleon> I suggest you see what happened to entropy
[13:21] * nextgens thinks that rewritting freenet1.0 in C++ would be sensible
[13:21] <nextgens> but definitly not .7
[13:21] <agsarite> so, you're just writing a prototype right now?
[13:22] <agsarite> this is only the first draft.
[13:22] <nextgens> I dunno if it could be called prototype
[13:23] <nextgens> but I'm sure it shouldn't be called stable code
[13:24] * nextgens changes topic to 'http://freenetproject.org/download.html (990 - mandatory), please read that page before asking questions here. For help, ask here, if you would like to exchange references, please join #freenet-refs. FAQ: http://wiki.freenetproject.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions | logs: http://emu.freenetproject.org/irc/ | Tor blocked due to spam: get a tor/regular cloak or get an op to voice you'
[13:24] <nextgens> bbiab
[13:25] <agsarite> i guess toad is away.
[13:25] <agsarite> too bad, i wanted to complain.
[13:25] * ShipHead grabs a copy of Ted Kuzinski's manifesto, laughs and dashes away
[13:26] <sleon> nextgens: no i am not
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[14:23] <toad_> sleon: it'll end up as yet another vaguely related project which is in the long run unmaintained and in the short term diverts users from freenet proper
[14:23] <toad_> sleon: MEMORY IS CHEAP
[14:24] <toad_> sleon: programmers are expensive
[14:24] <toad_> sleon: freedom is *really* expensive
[14:24] <agsarite> is your node up?
[14:24] <toad_> sleon: there's loads that can be done to minimize freenet's memory usage without rewriting it in C
[14:24] <toad_> agsarite: apparently not
[14:24] <toad_> will sort it out later
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[14:27] <toad_> <nextgens> but anyway, we don't discuss about content here on #freenet, that's a rule :p
[14:27] <toad_> not with devs anyway
[14:27] <toad_> well sometimes we do
[14:27] <agsarite> when i try to fetch a file with fcp and specify a size limit, some sites appear as application/zip.
[14:27] <toad_> but any content discussed with devs *must* be legal in their countries
[14:29] <toad_> agsarite: interesting, file a bug
[14:29] * toad_ sets mode +v LucisFerens
[14:32] <agsarite> i also get "GetFailed"/"Failed to decode a block" sometimes when i specify the limit.
[14:33] <agsarite> i'm not sure if that's a bug though or because the sites container is bigger than the size i allowed.
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[14:33] <agsarite> i think it should be a bug, though.
[14:34] <agsarite> unless it's something i did again :)
[14:37] <toad_> agsarite: you should get a too big error
[14:37] <toad_> agsarite: if you get something else, that's a bug
[14:37] <toad_> if you get a bug, file a report
[14:37] <agsarite> okay.
[14:37] <toad_> include details on how to replicate it (legally :) )
[14:39] <agsarite> i'll attempt to find some keys to reproduce this with.
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[14:45] <Pov> Is client/server posible in Freenet?
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[15:02] <agsarite> not really, at the moment freenet apps that work like that write to keys in a predictable location, while the other app attempts to read that key.
[15:03] <agsarite> then the process repeats with a new key.
[15:10] <agsarite> toad_: i found a key that gave me a type of application/zip, but after i tried to load it a second time it's now consistently giving me text/html
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[15:10] <agsarite> this, like, makes tracking this thing difficult.
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[15:49] <bowdo> err...whats the channel where you get refs? I was there before but I forget
[15:50] <investigator> #freenet-refs
[15:52] <bowdo> sweet, thanks
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[15:55] <investigator> toad_, how do I load a plugin?
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[16:22] <investigator> I can't take this no more
[16:30] <investigator> can someone help me figure out the syntax for loading a plugin?
[16:32] <agsarite> can this be adapted?
[16:32] <agsarite> nextgens: '*@file:///path/to/JSTUN.jar'
[16:32] <investigator> it doesn't work
[16:32] <investigator> I've tried just about every permutation of that line
[16:32] <investigator> (I'm using Windoze)
[16:33] <agsarite> and how doesn't it work?
[16:33] <investigator> it just won't load
[16:33] <investigator> I was told to use jstun because I have a dynamic IP
[16:33] <investigator> why couldn't they just put a browse button on that page?
[16:34] <agsarite> *@file:///c:/path/to/JSTUN.jar ?
[16:34] <investigator> tried it. I tried both forward and backward slashes
[16:35] <investigator> not sure which to use
[16:35] <investigator> i'll try it some more
[16:35] <investigator> I don't know why they had to make this all so damned difficult
[16:35] <investigator> brb
[16:37] <investigator> if they want this Freenet to be widely adopted, they're going to have to make it so that people other than programmers can use it. There's only so much frustration that a man can take
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[16:54] <nextgens> what's the problem ?
[16:54] <nextgens> investigator> what plugin are you trying to load?
[16:54] <investigator> I can't seem to load the plugin jstun
[16:54] <nextgens> what command line are you using ?
[16:54] <investigator> *@file:///program files/freenet/plugins/jstun.jar
[16:55] <investigator> using windoze
[16:55] <investigator> i've tried forward slashes, backward slashes
[16:55] <nextgens> and you're wondering why it's not working ?
[16:55] <investigator> call me stupid
[16:55] <nextgens> yes, stupid you
[16:55] <investigator> i've tried every permutation of that command line that I can think of
[16:55] <nextgens> how is it supposed to work without a drive letter ?
[16:55] <investigator> i've tried that too
[16:55] <nextgens> [16:34] <+ agsarite> | *@file:///c:/path/to/JSTUN.jar ?
[16:56] <nextgens> that would be *@file:///c:/program files/freenet/plugins/jstun.jar for you
[16:56] <investigator> ok, I'll try it again
[16:56] <agsarite> i was just quoting you
[16:56] <agsarite> like, yeah.
[16:56] <agsarite> and you me
[16:57] <nextgens> agsarite> I doubt I used windowsish notation of "drives" :)
[16:57] <investigator> still not working
[16:57] <nextgens> and the file exists ?
[16:57] <investigator> yes
[16:58] <nextgens> try "java -version" in a command prompt
[16:58] <investigator> it's 1.4.2
[16:59] <investigator> 1.4.2b28
[16:59] <nextgens> stun needs 1.5
[17:00] <investigator> ok
[17:00] <investigator> I was told I need stun because I have a dynamic IP, is that correct?
[17:00] <nextgens> have a look to logs, it ought to tell it to you
[17:00] <investigator> ok
[17:00] <nextgens> stun might help
[17:00] <nextgens> but well, you don't 'NEED' it if it works
[17:01] <investigator> I copied my ref to the bin, but when I log on next day, my IP ref is missing from the ref
[17:01] <investigator> I'll download 1.5 java
[17:02] <investigator> brb
[17:02] <nextgens> or get a dynamic domain name
[17:02] <nextgens> and set ipAddressOverride
[17:02] <investigator> dynamic domain name is something I don't know anything about
[17:02] <investigator> one sec brb
[17:03] <investigator> how do i set the IP address override?
[17:03] <investigator> (it says (usually not needed))
[17:05] <investigator> do I put my current IP address in that box?
[17:06] <nextgens> no
[17:06] <investigator> how do I do it/
[17:06] <nextgens> you could have put a FQDN
[17:06] <investigator> ?
[17:06] <nextgens> but well, installing a newer jvm is probably simpler for you :)
[17:06] <investigator> ok, I'll install java 1.5
[17:07] <investigator> I guess I should shut down my node while I'm doing that
[17:07] <investigator> brb
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[17:44] <Another> ping toad
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[17:52] <Another> toad, when around and time permits, have a look at http://code.bulix.org/5osesx-19752
[17:58] <Another> ciao
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[18:44] <sleon> LucisFerens:
[18:44] * sleon sets mode +v LucisFerens
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[18:44] * sleon sets mode +v LucisFerens
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[18:57] <_ph00> ...whatever
[18:58] <sleon> HA
[18:58] <sleon> localroot exploit for openbsd!!!
[18:58] <sleon> weeehaa
[18:58] <_ph00> ah come on, you klnew that already
[18:59] <_ph00> I've been not-so-anonymous-after-all for a long time now
[19:00] <_ph00> azureus *sucks*
[19:00] <sbc> He knew the exploit? Or am I missing something?
[19:00] <sleon> java *sucks*
[19:00] <sleon> sbc: :DD
[19:01] <_ph00> I installed it because wine quit for some reason, but I got really lousy speeds. Then I switched wine version and got utorrent up agian: at least 4 times so fats
[19:01] <_ph00> t
[19:02] <_ph00> "fast"
[19:02] <sbc> sleon: Anything in particular you don't fancy about java?
[19:02] <sbc> _ph00: You run torrent clients under wine? Are they really that much better?
[19:02] <_ph00> without port forwarding, I get on utorrent better sppeds than on azureus *with* port forwarding
[19:03] <_ph00> the only one I got working is utorrent. way better than azureus anyway,. I would run bitcomet but it doesn't work, it complains about something missing (don't remember what it was)
[19:03] <sleon> sbc: j2ee
[19:04] <_ph00> anyways, utorrent + wine runs fine
[19:05] <_ph00> well, as a non-coder guy, what I hear is lots of people who know coding saying that java sucks, but what I see are lots of java apps anyway, including freenet
[19:06] <sleon> _ph00: because ppl are also lazy
[19:06] <sleon> i develop lost of java apps myself
[19:06] <sleon> _ph00: because it works simply out of the box on windoze
[19:06] <sleon> and i am lazy to try python and how well it runs on windoze
[19:07] <_ph00> I asked here we all know that java sucks, so why is freenet java anyway? the answer I got was something like "because it sucks as much on different platforms"
[19:07] <_ph00> which makes some sense... but not really much
[19:08] <_ph00> slackware comes with java 1.5.0_09 included
[19:08] <_ph00> yes 09
[19:09] <_ph00> and all the java I've run on this box since I switched to slack, always worked without a problem, it's not even as heavy as some say
[19:09] <_ph00> only problem: i2p. I tried to run that, but it took up all my cpu
[19:12] <Daciel> Java is quite fine because java apps can fail gracefully, most of the time.
[19:12] <Daciel> bad written C segfaults, Java just throws a lot of text at you.
[19:13] <Daciel> But it eats memory like popcorn.
[19:14] <_ph00> installing more memory would do the trick, I guess
[19:15] <Daciel> Yep. Unless you can't or it's an old computer
[19:15] <Daciel> I got tor running on an old P200 with <128MB ram. No way I can do that with freenet
[19:17] <_ph00> nah
[19:18] <_ph00> I have my problems with 2000 mhz and 512 ram
[19:18] <_ph00> freenet runs fine, but I couldn't run i2p at the same time
[19:18] <Daciel> Constant swapping?
[19:20] <_ph00> I tried to run some java apps to see how much java it could take, I got freenet, jap and azureus running at the same time, and it went good, but when I assed i2p, the cpu was at 100% all the time and after a while one either freenet or i2p, of the two would crash
[19:21] <_ph00> so I tried running only freenet and i2p: no crashes this time, but still high cpu usiage, and memory too
[19:21] <_ph00> everything became slow
[19:21] <_ph00> really slow
[19:21] <_ph00> like several minutes to click a button
[19:22] <_ph00> but as long as I leave i2p alone, the rest goes fine. OK, I leave azureus and jap also alone, but not to save cpu/men, only because they suck
[19:23] <Daciel> If you really need that many java-apps, try limiting their memory
[19:23] <Daciel> Happened on an old computer of mine: Once java takes too much memory, it starts swapping and won't stop accessing the disk
[19:23] <Daciel> worked like a charm after I limitet the memory
[19:24] <Daciel> (java -Xmx 64M)
[19:24] <Daciel> (or whereever you want to insert that parameter)
[19:24] <_ph00> well, I don't. the only java I really want to run is freenet
[19:24] <_ph00> but, OK, goot to know
[19:24] <_ph00> good*
[19:25] <Daciel> I just looked at my freenet-dir: have a look at the "wrapper.ini", "wrapper.java.maxmemory=" might do the same
[19:26] <Daciel> I'm not yet familiar with that wrapper-stuff
[19:26] <_ph00> yes
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[19:26] <_ph00> in the wrapper, the default max memory is 128
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[19:27] <_ph00> which is kinda low. I raised it to 256, but if I needed to run much java stuff, I know where to look to lower it
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[19:33] <edt> it is just me or is 590 really one of the best of the recient
[19:33] <edt> builds
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[19:39] <_ph00> I'm blue, dah-boo-dee-bah-da-bu-daboo-deeee-dah...
[19:39] <_ph00> (never mind)
[19:41] <_ph00> MineHaunter, is your node up?
[19:42] <_ph00> MineHaunter, cyberdo TheSeeker, your nodes are disconnected from mine: any idea why?
[19:43] <cyberdo> _ph00: I shut my node down for a couple of hours... I needed all the performance I could get from the mashine
[19:43] <_ph00> k
[19:43] <cyberdo> starting it again
[19:43] <cyberdo> tnx for asking... there's a huge risk I'd forget otherwise
[19:44] <_ph00> heh
[19:44] <_ph00> maybe you should switch nick to "cyberdon't"
[19:45] <cyberdo> ??
[19:45] <Summoner> HauntedMine is on here
[19:45] <Summoner> but backed off....
[19:45] <edt> backed off is now only a hint...
[19:46] <MineHaunter> _ph00: my node is up and connected :)
[19:46] <MineHaunter> edt: what do you mean by "hint"?
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[19:48] <_ph00> MineHaunter, weird. I can't connect to you....
[19:48] <_ph00> used to be connected all the time
[19:48] <MineHaunter> _ph00: it says connected, here
[19:48] <_ph00> bah. we 'll worry about that if it doesng get back up in some hours
[19:48] <_ph00> it does
[19:48] <_ph00> cool
[19:49] <MineHaunter> :)
[19:49] * _ph00 reloads the page+
[19:49] <MineHaunter> maybe a transitory disconnection
[19:49] <MineHaunter> I've had a high pInstantReject in the last few minutes
[19:49] <MineHaunter> don't know why
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[19:51] <_ph00> must have been exactly when I looked at the darknet page. I see backed off now, but at least it is connected
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[19:55] <MineHaunter> backedoffPercent: 19,3%
[19:55] <MineHaunter> pInstantReject: 86,0%
[19:55] <MineHaunter> don't know what such a high %
[19:55] <MineHaunter> *why
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[20:35] <CIA-14> jflesch * r10654 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/plugins/index/Index.java: Should fix index update mechanism
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[20:52] <_ph00> # backedoffPercent: 4.9%
[20:52] <_ph00> # pInstantReject: 2.4%
[20:52] <_ph00> that looks more like it
[20:53] <_ph00> # networkSizeEstimateSession: 284 nodes
[20:53] <_ph00> # nodeUptime: 2h4m
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[21:05] <Summoner> nodeUptime: 3h57m
[21:05] <Summoner> networkSizeEstimateSession: 335 nodes :-)
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[21:08] <investigator> Ok, so I've downloaded Java 1.5, started Jstun.jar, and am still having a problem. I connect with some added refs, but 'never connected' with others. What gives?
[21:11] <Summoner> never connected could mean that the other side didn't add your ref
[21:11] <investigator> he claimed to have added mine before I added his
[21:11] <Summoner> or both of you didn't set up your network correctly
[21:11] <Summoner> (firewall, router etc.)
[21:11] <investigator> (I'm using a dynamic IP)
[21:11] <Summoner> and a router, maybe?
[21:12] <investigator> some of the refs I add work, other's don't
[21:12] <investigator> yes, I have a router
[21:12] <Summoner> oki, that must be it
[21:12] <Summoner> you need to set up a dyndns for your router, and override the ip-settings in freenet conf
[21:12] <investigator> if it were the router that was the problem, wouldn't they ALL not work?
[21:12] <Summoner> then you need to forward your listening port to your local ip
[21:12] <Summoner> nope
[21:12] <Summoner> if one side works, UDP hole punching does the rest
[21:13] <investigator> ok
[21:13] <investigator> not that I understand any of this
[21:13] <investigator> so how do I do all of this?
[21:13] <Summoner> dyndns uses es hostname which is always associated with your current dynamic IP
[21:14] * TheSeeker fries his brain some more on the concept of location swapping algorithms
[21:14] <Summoner> e.g. testnode.dyndns.org
[21:14] <investigator> let me try that
[21:14] <investigator> brb
[21:16] <investigator> the manual that came with my router might as well be written in a foreign language, for all I can understand of it
[21:16] <Summoner> hehe
[21:16] <Summoner> you can get to a webinterface?
[21:16] <Summoner> to configure the router?
[21:16] <investigator> yes
[21:16] <Summoner> look for a dyndns-setting there
[21:16] <investigator> give me a sec, and I'll get to it
[21:16] <Summoner> sure
[21:20] <investigator> is that dynamic dns?
[21:20] <Summoner> yes
[21:21] <investigator> ok, found that page
[21:21] <Summoner> you can get an account at www.dyndns.org
[21:21] <investigator> oic
[21:21] <investigator> ok, let me go there brb
[21:21] <Summoner> hurry up a little, my bed is calling ;-)
[21:21] <investigator> ok
[21:26] <investigator> ok, have account
[21:27] <rebo123> What's JStun.jar?
[21:27] <investigator> it's a plugin
[21:27] <investigator> I was told to run it
[21:27] <Summoner> investigator: enter those settings into your router
[21:27] <investigator> it wants a server address and a hostname
[21:28] <Summoner> uhm
[21:28] <Summoner> it should be a login-name, password, and hostname
[21:28] <investigator> server address, hostname, username, password
[21:28] <Summoner> hostname: yourNode.dyndns.org plus your login for that account you just made
[21:29] <Summoner> try to ignore that server address first
[21:29] <Summoner> I don't use it here (don't have it)
[21:30] <investigator> ok, I've entered that
[21:30] <Summoner> fine. can you see there if it works? a button or something
[21:31] <investigator> by yourNode you mean investigator?
[21:31] <Summoner> the dyndns-name you chose in your account
[21:32] <investigator> ok, I put in the name.dyndns.org plus the login
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[21:33] <Summoner> did you add a dnydns under "Services" in your account?
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[21:34] <investigator> I'm sorry, this is too complicated for me. I won't take up any more of your time
[21:35] <Summoner> no problem. we will have it set up soonm
[21:35] <investigator> this is all gobbldygook. I've had it with freenet
[21:35] <nextgens> forget about it
[21:35] <Summoner> log into your account. go to My Services
[21:35] <investigator> this is where I am
[21:35] <nextgens> using ipOverride isn't helpful when stun is loaded
[21:36] <investigator> my services
[21:36] <Summoner> go to My Hosts
[21:36] <Summoner> Add Host Service
[21:36] <investigator> ok, "No host level service items registered."
[21:37] <investigator> ok
[21:37] <Summoner> then Add Dynamic DNS Host
[21:37] <investigator> done
[21:37] <Summoner> chose your hostname
[21:37] <investigator> it's asking for a hostname
[21:37] <Summoner> like investigator.dyndns.org
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[21:38] <investigator> ok
[21:38] <investigator> done
[21:38] <Summoner> then click add host, and it's done
[21:38] <Summoner> enter this hostname into your router
[21:38] <Summoner> nextgens: tell me about that tomorrow, will you? don't want to conuse investigator ^^
[21:38] <investigator> done
[21:39] <Summoner> oki. then check if you can update your IP with that hostname (button)
[21:40] <investigator> done
[21:40] <Summoner> fine
[21:40] <Summoner> now for the next step
[21:40] <investigator> one sec...
[21:40] <Summoner> http://localhost:8888/config/
[21:40] <Summoner> here you can find some settings
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[21:40] <investigator> ok getting to config
[21:41] <investigator> there
[21:41] <Summoner> IP address override
[21:41] <Summoner> enter your hostname there
[21:41] <investigator> ok
[21:41] <Summoner> scroll down
[21:41] <Summoner> FNP port number (UDP)
[21:41] <investigator> done
[21:42] <Summoner> that port needs to be forwarded to your local IP
[21:42] <Summoner> best set your IP to a static one
[21:42] <investigator> it's 8274, how do I do that?
[21:42] <Summoner> (no DHCP)
[21:42] <Summoner> there is usually a portforwarding-setting in your router
[21:43] <investigator> I'll have to search for that (there are so many pages)
[21:43] <Summoner> oki. do you have a static local IP, or do you get it from your router via DHCP?
[21:44] <investigator> I have a dynamic IP
[21:44] <investigator> aDSL
[21:44] <Summoner> in your router settings, disable DHCP. and chose a static one for your computer
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[21:45] <Summoner> I know this is a bit complicated :-)
[21:45] <investigator> complicated? no. not at all. I'm about to have a nervous breakdown
[21:45] <Summoner> ^^
[21:45] <Summoner> please don't die. freenet needs you
[21:45] <investigator> I wish there were a manual somewhere that explains all of this
[21:46] <Summoner> yeah, just my thought
[21:46] <investigator> this is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy over my head
[21:46] <Summoner> well, let's do it step by step
[21:47] <investigator> I get a new IP every time I log on. I don't know how I'm going to get a static one
[21:47] <Summoner> oki. look for your "Local IP Settings" in your router
[21:47] <MineHaunter> I think the stun plugin would solve all your problems
[21:47] <MineHaunter> but no, stick to dyndns, it's safer
[21:47] <Summoner> LAN IP settings maybe
[21:48] <investigator> I have the stun plugin running
[21:48] <investigator> it's WAN IP on this router
[21:48] <Summoner> you need LAN
[21:48] <Summoner> anyway, if you see something like DHCP (on/off) that's where you need to go :-)
[21:48] <investigator> ok, on LAN page, it has IP address
[21:48] <investigator> subnet mask, and local domain name
[21:48] <investigator> found DHCP
[21:49] <Summoner> disablr it
[21:49] <Summoner> disable
[21:49] <investigator> done
[21:49] <Summoner> well, the next step
[21:49] <Summoner> you can find your networking-setup at your computer, right?
[21:49] <investigator> yeah
[21:50] <Summoner> click properties of your lan-connection there
[21:50] <investigator> I've got the page for static dhcp
[21:50] <Summoner> ok. enter a fixed IP there (192.168.1.5 perhaps)
[21:50] <Summoner> use 255.255.255.0 as mask
[21:51] <Summoner> and your router-IP as gateway
[21:51] <Summoner> dns: your router IP
[21:51] <Summoner> hope I am not too fast
[21:52] <investigator> I'm sorry, I can't handle this. I'm going to leave it like it is,
[21:52] <investigator> and use what I've got
[21:52] <Summoner> :-(
[21:52] <investigator> this is too much
[21:52] <investigator> unbelievable.
[21:52] <Summoner> we're nearly there, believe me
[21:52] <investigator> I've been playing with computers since 1986, the early days of DOS, but this is ridiculous
[21:52] <investigator> to make this one thing work, I've got to stand my whole machine on its head
[21:53] <Summoner> ^^ maybe, just a little bit
[21:53] <MineHaunter> you've been hanging around computer for 20 years and you don't know how to set up a nat forwarding?
[21:53] <investigator> I can't think straight when I'm stressed, and I'm STRESSED
[21:53] <investigator> I never had to
[21:53] <Summoner> first time, then :-)
[21:53] <investigator> I only got the router three years ago. Plugged it in, and it worked
[21:54] <investigator> more or less
[21:54] <Summoner> a fixed IP in your lan comes in handy many times. it's not too difficult
[21:55] <investigator> my router page shows "Static DHCP is used to allow DHCP server to assign same IP address to specific MAC address." then it wants a mac address
[21:55] <Summoner> bah
[21:55] <investigator> ok, I see that
[21:56] <Summoner> where are you, now? router, or winblows?
[21:56] <investigator> I made the mistake of buying a D-Link, should have bought a linksys
[21:56] <investigator> router
[21:56] <Summoner> I have a netgear ^^ thinking of using a dlink in the future
[21:57] <investigator> this one's been a bit of a pain. The documentation is incomprehensible to a noob
[21:57] <Summoner> I read a lot of complaints about router-manuals and interfaces. most suck if you are not familiar with networking
[21:57] <investigator> I'm not
[21:57] <investigator> it's a foreign concept to me
[21:57] <Summoner> well....
[21:57] <Summoner> did you turn of dhcp?
[21:58] <investigator> yes
[21:58] <Summoner> oki
[21:58] <Summoner> did you find the properties of your lan-connection in windows?
[21:58] <investigator> yes
[21:58] <Summoner> there must be a tcp-ip protocoll listed
[21:59] <investigator> yes
[21:59] <Summoner> click properties of that one
[21:59] <investigator> k
[21:59] <Summoner> there you can chose to have a static IP for your machine
[21:59] <investigator> yes
[22:00] <Summoner> what's your router's IP?
[22:00] <investigator> there are three boxes
[22:00] <investigator> 192.168.0.1
[22:00] <Summoner> enter that one as gatewayx
[22:00] <investigator> k
[22:00] <Summoner> as your IP, chose 192.168.0.3
[22:00] <Summoner> (just an example)
[22:00] <Summoner> netmask is 255.255.255.0
[22:01] <investigator> done
[22:01] <Summoner> below those settings, you can enter a dns-server
[22:01] <Summoner> use your router IP there, too
[22:01] <investigator> rok
[22:01] <investigator> ok
[22:01] <Summoner> then just apply those settings. and do NOT reboot, please ;-)
[22:01] <Summoner> do it later
[22:03] <Summoner> all fine...?
[22:10] <Summoner> investigator...?
[22:12] <Summoner> well, I need to sleep
[22:12] <Summoner> do the following, if you still feel like it ^^
[22:13] <Summoner> router--->portforwarding--->forward the port 8274 you found in your config to your new fixed IP (192.168.0.3)
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[22:13] <Summoner> Use UDP if it asks you wether to chose TCP or UDP
[22:14] <Summoner> reboot, start freenet, that's it
[22:15] <Summoner> good night everyone
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[22:21] <agsarite> i think if a router is giving people ip addresses, it's not really a router any more.
[22:22] <agsarite> more like a little mini network server in a box, with a whole bunch of network interface ports.
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[22:47] <investigator> MineHaunter, you said earlier that the stun plugin would solve all my problems, but dyndns was safer. Could you elaborate?
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[22:56] <MineHaunter> stun connects to a server to determine your external ip address
[22:56] <investigator> ok, I have that running
[22:56] <MineHaunter> so if stun server gets down, you won't be able to determine your ip and possibly other nodes won't be able to connect to you
[22:57] <investigator> my problem seems to be, that I create a ref, which includes an IP, but the next day, I have a different IP, and it doesn't match
[22:57] <MineHaunter> I think ARK handles this
[22:57] <investigator> this is all just too mucken futch for me
[22:57] <MineHaunter> if you are connected to at least a node, other nodes will be able to find your IP using ark
[22:57] <MineHaunter> :)
[22:57] <investigator> oic
[22:58] <investigator> sometimes, when I add a ref, it works, sometimes it doesn't
[22:58] <investigator> so many acronyms in all of this. enough for an acronym soup
[22:58] <MineHaunter> If your router doesn't forward incoming UPD packets, your only way to connect to other nodes is using UDP hole punching
[22:59] <MineHaunter> this is done automatically by your router
[22:59] <investigator> I got a router about three years ago. It came with a manual that I can't make sense of
[22:59] <investigator> it's sort of like a manual for a 747, makes sense to a pilot, but to no one else
[22:59] <MineHaunter> but, using this method will allow you to connect only to nodes with the correct port forwarded
[22:59] <investigator> ok, port forwarding is chinese to me
[23:00] <MineHaunter> I'll try to make out a simple example
[23:00] <investigator> ok
[23:00] <investigator> (that would be nice)
[23:00] <MineHaunter> say that your node can call other nodes but not receive calls
[23:00] <investigator> right
[23:00] <MineHaunter> you can call another node if it is able to receive calls
[23:00] <investigator> ahhh
[23:00] <MineHaunter> but if another node is like yours, you two won't be able to connect
[23:00] <investigator> gocha
[23:01] <MineHaunter> :)
[23:01] <investigator> someone mentioned that
[23:01] <investigator> if the other node has a static IP, it works, we both have dynamic, it doesn't
[23:01] <MineHaunter> it is a matter of static ip and port forwarding too
[23:01] <MineHaunter> the dynamic ip problem is somewhat solved using ark
[23:01] <investigator> summoner tried to walk me through this, but then I got disconnecte
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[23:02] <investigator> d
[23:02] <MineHaunter> the port forwarding problem can be solved only by setting the router to forward the port :)
[23:02] <investigator> right, and I don't really understand this router, or networking in general. It's all gobbldygook to me
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[23:03] <investigator> the damn thing more-or-less works, which served me until now
[23:03] <investigator> I'll have to see if I can do some reading in wiki or elsewhere to clarify all of this.
[23:03] <MineHaunter> well, for now choose peers you can connect to and it will work :)
[23:04] <investigator> trouble is, I'm in my 50s, exacerbated by a cognitive impairment, so lots of times when i read this stuff, all I see is ;lkjha;oughpoienangoiaueirnag;nngaohiogn;kjand;gfhagnblgk
[23:04] <investigator> but I appreciate the help I get in here
[23:04] <investigator> thanks
[23:05] <investigator> when I read some of the stuff that is posted in Frost, I wonder if the whole thing is worthwhile
[23:05] <MineHaunter> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_address_translation
[23:06] <investigator> some of these people should have waited until they died, before donating their brains
[23:06] <MineHaunter> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_forwarding
[23:06] <MineHaunter> these links could be a starting point
[23:06] <investigator> thanks, I started on the port forwarding one, I'll check out NAT as well
[23:06] <investigator> (I vaguely understood the NAT concept)
[23:07] <investigator> ok, I'll check it out. In the meantime, I'm going to treat myself to a nervous breakdown.
[23:07] <investigator> thanks for everything. take care
[23:07] <investigator> bye for now
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[23:55] <edt> 590 seems to be a good build. I almost have 3 days uptime with it. Which is very good - no jvm issues caused the wrapper to restart.
[23:56] <edt> the 24hour estimated network size is 427.
[23:59] <edt> also with 590 I notice my input and output rates are normally low. They seem to peaks at 2/3 of my output bandwidth limit - freenet does not seem to want to use all the bandwidth I allocate to it.
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