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[0:23] <SinnerG> pff moving 50GB of data from one usb hd to another usb hd :p
[0:23] <SinnerG> expected time : 5days.. Lucky it is 'always' wrong :p
[0:24] <SinnerG> I'm not using freenet anymore, so I dont have the need for an encrypted hd anymore :)
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[1:42] <slinky> SinnerG: if you don't need it anymore can i have it?
[1:45] <SinnerG> have what? :P
[1:45] <slinky> your usb hard drive you don't need anymore
[1:45] <slinky> i can give you 2 dvd players, no remotes
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[1:46] <SinnerG> lol I still need it :)
[1:46] <SinnerG> the hd - I'm just dropping my encryption, but I need to move files before I can do that :p
[1:46] <slinky> that's cool i'm not going to drive to belgium
[1:47] <SinnerG> lol =p
[1:48] <slinky> i have 2 usb drives (ide in usb enclosures) encrypted and mirrored on 2 more drives for my sensitive stuff
[1:49] <slinky> surprusingly less power than i thought for 4 plugs
[1:50] <slinky> this server has 6 scsi drives already, but they're too small and expensive, so i went with usb for real storage
[1:52] <slinky> servers hostname is ''kraken'' cuz all the wires coming out of it
[1:52] <SinnerG> hehe
[1:53] <slinky> SinnerG: how come you're not freenetting anymore?
[1:54] <SinnerG> working on a hosting 'backend' here
[1:54] <SinnerG> start learning the economic stuff for it coming week
[1:54] <SinnerG> and I hope to start hosting in 2 months
[1:54] <SinnerG> but still alot of work ;p
[1:54] <SinnerG> you see, I got this 'thing' => I try to do everything myself :p
[1:55] <SinnerG> working on my own cpanel-like thing, but only core atm, no GUI yet
[1:55] <slinky> "just don't call me normal"
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[3:07] <_ph00> freenet :[freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
[3:07] <_ph00> why did I see this?
[3:08] <_ph00> because my client is set auot-send password?
[3:08] <_ph00> auto*
[3:08] <_ph00> or *everybody* sees that?
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[7:28] <Beacon> Whenever freenet judges network size to be 300 and over, cpu usage raises in a big way, from 20 to 80-100%. networkSizeEstimateSession: 334 nodes - currently, cpu usage at 100%. Java.exe process priority is Below Normal, but that doesn't prevent freenet from making videoplayback jitter and pause. I need to know how to change freenet's priority to low. I have found freenet started in Services but no way to adjust starting prio
[7:29] <geekU> look at wrapper.conf
[7:29] <Beacon> Will do, thank you.
[7:29] <geekU> for windows you can set it there
[7:30] <Beacon> Cool, found it, thanks a bunch
[7:30] <geekU> np ... :)
[7:30] <Beacon> Bye
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[7:53] <Nsft> Hi
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[9:30] <CIA-14> nextgens * r10648 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/i18n/thaw.properties: Thaw: fix a typo: maybe it should be 'allow thaw to use more than one socket', that would be much more meaningfull
[9:31] <The> hallo
[9:31] <nextgens> -l
[9:31] <nextgens> hi
[9:31] <The> i want to connect to the DARKNET, can I get the Node ID from some one?
[9:33] <nextgens> The> I suggest you ask on #freenet-refs :)
[9:34] <The> ok thanks
[9:35] <nextgens> any news from ljn1981 ? he sent me and toad a mail asking for his mantis/svn accounts to be deleted
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[9:42] <geekU> btw is http://dark-code.bulix.org/qjdjxr-19588 already a known issue? ... i get this whenever I restart my node
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[9:49] <nextgens> geekU> yes, known issue
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[10:04] <sandos> why odes free fproxy stop responding if I do too many things at once?
[10:04] <sandos> and yes, Ive tweaked my browser settings...
[10:04] <sandos> netstat shows only 28 connections.. oh.. I guess pipelining is bad..
[10:12] <sandos> any tips on how to configure firefox? =)
[10:33] <geekU> nextgens: ok ... thx :)
[10:34] <nextgens> I ought to fix it
[10:34] <geekU> sandos: i think it has really sometimes problems with too many client connections
[10:34] <nextgens> but well ... I'm on something else atp
[10:34] <nextgens> atm
[10:34] <nextgens> http://www.kaschwig.net/projects/openbsd/wrap/
[10:35] <geekU> nice nextgens
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[11:28] <Likvidy> hmm, the java.exe hogs all my ram
[11:29] <Likvidy> i checked the jvm commandline fix on freenet help site, but don't know where i should put it
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[11:32] <nextgens> in wrapper.conf
[11:42] <Likvidy> thank, i'll see if i can fix it
[11:42] <Likvidy> +s
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[12:23] <_ph00> Welcome to the Bulix.org code pastebin. Please don't use this pastebin for illegal purposes, defamation or kitten-squashing
[12:23] <_ph00> what is "kitten-squashing"? Wikipedia didn't find it
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[12:50] <_ph00> sunday = not even three PM and I'm at the fourth hlf-liter beer, smoking cigars
[12:50] * _ph00 *loves* sundays
[12:59] * hjubal mmhh.. duff!
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[13:13] <kooap> Hello, how is the networkSizeEstimateSession computed?
[13:17] <kooap> is it just the number of freenet nodes that has happened to route something through my node?
[13:18] <MineHaunter> not sure
[13:18] <MineHaunter> my networkSizeEstimateSession: 155 nodes
[13:19] <_ph00> # networkSizeEstimateSession: 327 nodes
[13:19] <_ph00> # nodeUptime: 10h15m
[13:20] <_ph00> that means "how many nodes does your node 'think' there could be out there"
[13:21] <kooap> _ph00: but how is it estimated?
[13:21] <MineHaunter> it is growing... 176 now, maybe because I've just resterted the node :)
[13:22] <_ph00> I don't know how it's done, you should ask some dev
[13:23] <_ph00> and yes, it starts growing when you start freenet, then it stabilizes between 300 and 400 nodes, or over 400 in some cases, tho the actual network size should be ~1000
[13:24] <kooap> i'm assuming that each data request doesn't have some sort of node identifier, since that would make it easier to analyse the traffic - and i don't really see how to estimate the number of nodes without that
[13:24] <_ph00> all traffic is encrypted afaik
[13:25] <kooap> _ph00: but a data request must be readable by other nodes - how else could anyone ever send back the wanted data?
[13:25] <_ph00> and I guess they have taken traffic analysis into account
[13:25] <_ph00> don't ask me "how" quesions, I'm not a freent dev, and I can't code att all
[13:26] <MineHaunter> afaik encryption is applied to traffic between each node pair not to the request itself
[13:27] <MineHaunter> being unable to determine who originally generated the request is the key to the whole anonymous thing
[13:28] <_ph00> I don't really know what I'm talking about, but if all the traffic between nodes is encrypted, requests should be too, as they are part of the traffic
[13:28] <kooap> yeah, i assume the data is routed back the same way the request came, and every node only knows the next step in the chain
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[13:29] <MineHaunter> kooap: as you say, and any node in the chain doesn't know if the node who passed on the request is the real requester or only a link in the chain
[13:30] <kooap> MineHaunter: which makes me think that it's really hard to estimate the number of nodes in the network
[13:31] <MineHaunter> maybe the estimation is based on some internal htl to track how deep a request went, but at this point I'm only guessing
[13:31] <kooap> another question: if i increase the outgoing bandwidth limit in the configuration, will that improve download speeds too?
[13:32] <_ph00> anyway, that estimate is way lower than the real network size.
[13:32] <_ph00> the total nimbers of nodes could be somewhere in the 8.900
[13:32] <_ph00> 8-9 hundresds
[13:32] <_ph00> maybe 700
[13:33] <_ph00> but no way it's like 300-400
[13:33] <kooap> _ph00: is the entire network reachable without ridiculously high HTL though?
[13:33] <_ph00> kooap, I don't know
[13:33] <kooap> i suppose there is no way of knowing that either, since no node can know the topology of the entire network
[13:33] <_ph00> and the default up/down bandwidth limits are very low: I have them set to 400K
[13:34] <_ph00> (with a 10Mbit nominal up/down speed)
[13:34] <Likvidy> does the node have to re-integrate in to the network after restart?
[13:34] <MineHaunter> kooap: your question is wrong
[13:34] <MineHaunter> you don't need to "reach the entire network", you just need to insert/fetch keys
[13:35] <_ph00> you adjust it for your bandwidth, make it 1/3 of the nominal total
[13:35] <kooap> MineHaunter: well, yes, but the larger the portion of the network you can reach, the more likely it is that you find what you're looking for
[13:35] <MineHaunter> there is a routing algorithm based on a parameter called "distance", but I really don't know what I'm talking about now :)
[13:36] <_ph00> distributed store: the more a file is requested, the more it gets mirrored, the closer to you it comes, the easier to get...
[13:36] <kooap> Likvidy: it depends on your peers. if they are still running and have the same ip addresses you should be up right away, if not your node will try to find their ips
[13:36] <MineHaunter> I've not had DNF problems till now and from my point of view freenet 0.7 is way faster than 0.5
[13:36] <kooap> Likvidy: which may take a lot of time
[13:37] <_ph00> so basically, if you think that a file should be easily downloadble, it's a good thing to request it, even if you already have it
[13:37] <_ph00> if you get a file from the 'regular' internet, and you think that the file should be easly accessible, you should request it from freenet too
[13:38] <_ph00> the more a file 'goes around' the easier it is to download it
[13:38] <_ph00> oh and btw
[13:39] <_ph00> we don't have much content on the .7 network yet, so it's a good thing to upload files, build freesites, indexes etc
[13:40] * kooap wonders how many gigabytes there are in freenet
[13:40] * _ph00 has no idea
[13:40] <_ph00> not so may anyways
[13:40] <_ph00> keep uploading stuff
[13:41] <_ph00> just upload one file after another, no matter what it is, *all* content is good. and remember to make the keys available, on frost for example, or make a freesite with your keys... both would be best
[13:43] <MineHaunter> It is important to upload interesting material, otherwise fn will become a sort of trash bin :)
[13:43] <kooap> aw
[13:43] * kooap stops inserting core dumps
[13:44] <MineHaunter> lol
[13:44] <Likvidy> what do you mean trash bin, i just found a gallery of onomatopoetic POW! cards from that old batman tv series
[13:44] <MineHaunter> core dumps could be interesting anyway, it's a good source of passwords <g>
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[13:58] <_ph00> <MineHaunter> It is important to upload interesting material, otherwise fn will become a sort of trash bin :) <=== define "intresting"
[13:58] <_ph00> your trah is intresting for a homeless person, right?
[13:58] <_ph00> trash
[13:59] <_ph00> some people find CNN and Fox News "intresting"
[13:59] <MineHaunter> I was just objecting on the "no matter what it is" sentence :)
[13:59] <_ph00> some fined soccer scores intresting
[13:59] <_ph00> well, you know what I mean...
[13:59] <_ph00> *everything* is intresting for *someone*
[14:00] <_ph00> but, OK
[14:00] <MineHaunter> I get your point
[14:00] <MineHaunter> at least try inserting something interesting for *you* :)
[14:00] <_ph00> upload, what *you* find intresting, so you know that at least one person will think that way
[14:00] <MineHaunter> :)
[14:00] <_ph00> right
[14:03] <kooap> fproxy seems to overload really easy - if i am trying to access a couple of freesites at the same time i may not be able to access the config or darknet pages. is there any way to fix that? i don't think it's the browser, i have http pipelining on and the pipeline size set to 4000.
[14:04] <MineHaunter> Not sure about what pipelining is, but did you set a reasonable number of concurrent connections?
[14:04] <MineHaunter> Most browsers by default force at max 2 or 4 connections to the same server
[14:05] <_ph00> [big fat OT] I've never been able to find the old Donald Duck stories by Carl Barks on the Internet, not on BitTorrent, nothing. Anyone knows where to find them?
[14:06] <kooap> _ph00: good question. someone should scan all barks and rosa stories.
[14:06] <_ph00> you can easily reconfigure Firefox and Opera to make more connections
[14:06] <kooap> i think i have it set to 10 or something... probably needs to be higher if sites have lots of images on them
[14:07] <_ph00> on Opera, just go to tolls and Network, on Firefox, type about:config in the adress bar, then filter 'network'
[14:07] <kooap> ha, "max connections per server: 8"
[14:07] <_ph00> I have all the default max connections multiplied by 8
[14:07] <kooap> that's probably not good when everything goes through 127.0.0.1
[14:07] <_ph00> right
[14:08] <_ph00> "tolls" on opera would be "tools" of course
[14:08] <_ph00> 192, 64, 32, 16
[14:09] <_ph00> (my network max connections values
[14:09] <_ph00> )
[14:09] * _ph00 opens the 9th beer
[14:09] <_ph00> nope
[14:09] <_ph00> it's the 5th
[14:10] <_ph00> I was counting like small beers, these are large beers
[14:10] * _ph00 quits counting....
[14:11] <_ph00> From Wikipedia: Carl Barks has an asteroid named after him, 2730 Barks. A Cornell scientist was inspired by Barks's tale "Island in the Sky".
[14:11] <_ph00> cool
[14:12] <_ph00> I want my asteroid too
[14:12] <_ph00> ph00 01
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[14:36] <Likvidy> apparently the wrapper doesn't want to run with parameter java -server
[14:36] <Likvidy> "The system cannot find the file specified. (0x2)"
[14:36] <Likvidy> says log
[14:36] <Likvidy> wierd
[14:36] <Likvidy> weird*
[14:37] <Likvidy> i must be doing something wrong
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[14:40] <sbc> Likvidy: What does your wrapper.conf look like? Where/how have you added the -server flag?
[14:41] <Likvidy> i added it in wrapper.java.command=java thinking it was parameters for it
[14:47] <sbc> Likvidy: Try taking a look at this. I hope it's relevant. http://wrapper.tanukisoftware.org/doc/english/prop-java-additional-n.html
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[15:01] * _ph00 has run out of beer
[15:01] <_ph00> well... NP
[15:01] <Likvidy> go buy some more
[15:01] <_ph00> (I had enough anyway)
[15:02] <sbc> Likvidy: Did you get the -server flag working?
[15:02] <_ph00> I do have one beer left, but it's in a "break glass in case of emergency" box
[15:03] <sbc> _ph00: If you'r able to write, you haven't had enough :P
[15:03] <_ph00> I think I'm gonna boot windoze (eew) and ply some games
[15:03] <Likvidy> not yet, it would be useful if i understood the hierarchy of this
[15:03] <_ph00> sbc, I'm from southern europe, we drink another way: more often but less hard
[15:03] <Likvidy> freenet, java, java virtual machine, wrapper
[15:04] <sbc> Likvidy: I havent tried it out, but I think you just add "wrapper.java.additional.1=-server" somewhere in wrapper.conf and hope for the best.
[15:04] <Likvidy> i'm from finalnd, people get absolutely smashed on weekends
[15:04] <Likvidy> well i have bunch of other params too
[15:04] <sbc> _ph00: That's right. You drink the healthy way. Up here we do all the drinking thursday, friday and saturday!
[15:04] <Likvidy> http://www.freenethelp.org/html/MaintainingPermanentNodes.html#WikiFootnote_109
[15:05] <Likvidy> i'm trying to get that working
[15:05] <Likvidy> finland*
[15:05] <Likvidy> i don't think it's healthy to drink everyday
[15:05] <Likvidy> liver won't have time to repair
[15:05] <Likvidy> but being slurred to the point of dual vision isn't that good either
[15:05] <sbc> Likvidy: I'm not saying those ideas are bad, but do notice that they are old, and seem to be ment for the 0.5 freenet.
[15:06] <Likvidy> yarr
[15:06] <Likvidy> maybe i'll just shutdown my node and forget all this
[15:06] <sbc> Likvidy: Here they tell us that one glass of red wine a day (and no more!) is supposed to be healthy. But I don't enjoy red wine, so who cares!
[15:06] <_ph00> sbc well... it's not that healthy actually, ppl drink basically every day, which is what couses addiction. almost all old people are physically addicted to alcohol down here. on the other hand they're old anyway and don't damage anyone... so why not
[15:07] <_ph00> (we can discuss that on #freenet-chat, this channel is getting in-topic messages right now)
[15:08] <Likvidy> the in-topic shall end now
[15:08] <sbc> Likvidy: You gave up on the whole thing? :(
[15:08] <sbc> (-server thing, not the drinking thing...)
[15:09] <Likvidy> yeah, maybe i'll try to fix it someday when freenet gains more momentum
[15:10] <sbc> Likvidy: Freenet has momentum! :)
[15:13] <Likvidy> well i didn't even mind the lack of content and snail slow speed, but that java crippling my computer got annoying
[15:14] <sbc> Likvidy: :( How much ram and cpu do you have?
[15:14] <Likvidy> 1,5 ghz, 768
[15:15] <Likvidy> i left the computer on over night and at the morning i had to boot it
[15:15] <Likvidy> or restart the node
[15:15] <sbc> should be good enough... The node should restart by itself...
[15:17] <Likvidy> but it doesn't matter how much ram you have, when the java.exe just starts munching it all like a stoned guy at buffet
[15:18] <sbc> Oh, your on windows :( What java version are you using? The latest one or 1.4?
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[15:21] <Likvidy> i think it's the latest
[15:23] <sbc> Likvidy: Could you do a "java -version" for me, just to check?
[15:24] <Likvidy> 1.5.0 update 7
[15:24] <sbc> Likvidy: That sounds ok. Then I have no idas left :)
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[15:28] <MineHaunter> you could try setting the AggressiveGC
[15:29] <Likvidy> i was going to use all those mentioned in the article
[15:29] <Likvidy> but couldn't figure out how
[15:31] <Likvidy> and i'm running windows, maybe that article was *nix only
[15:31] <sbc> Likvidy: No, the wrapper.conf is platform independent, i'm almost certain.
[15:31] <Likvidy> yeah i have it there
[15:31] <Likvidy> and java is too
[15:32] <sbc> Likvidy: Did you try adding "wrapper.java.additional.1=-server" to your wrapper.conf?
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[15:33] <TheSeeker> I thought the standard VN for windows wasn't a server VM ... don't you need the SDK for that?
[15:34] <Likvidy> yeah now it tells me i don't have some dll
[15:34] <Likvidy> i'll try the other flags
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[15:45] <Likvidy> i think it calmed down a bit
[15:45] <Likvidy> i'll wait and see
[15:49] <Likvidy> bah, it's still steadily rising
[15:49] <Likvidy> carbage collector my ass
[15:50] <Likvidy> oh well, thanks for the help anyway
[15:51] <_ph00> OK, I'm gonna play some windoze games for a while, my node will be back on line in a few hours
[15:51] <_ph00> so don't panic
[15:51] <_ph00> (42)
[15:51] <_ph00> :P
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[16:20] <mario69_> a tiny, cosmetic bug. Go to fproxy homepage, do not enter any key and just press 'Fetch'. You get message 'Not found, return to PEERS page' while in fact one goes to homepage.
[16:21] <mario69_> don't think it is even worth filling a ticket
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[17:20] <CIA-14> nextgens * r10649 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/Toadlet.java: small cosmetic fix to please mario69
[17:44] <mario69_> nextgens, :-)
[17:48] <nonajme> http://127.0.0.1:8888/freenet:CHK@XZHzZXQgQ~JXB4ZaNQ2b9XBlbUQRKY2i2jDAaD3e3hY,81rsPMiCiaoQzddvipHe5rGhejGVZE6bjy2GDEJ1NOk,AAEC--8/swerki.wmv
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[18:05] <Guest23423534> sleon
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[18:25] <Random1> hello
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[18:57] <sleon> roflmao
[19:01] <TheSeeker> eh?
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[19:05] <Salpetersaeure> Hi @all. one questione. at which website can i get my freenet-ref? (exchange with the indication at my darknet page)
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[19:08] <sleon> Salpetersaeure: you mean you want to place it somewhere ?
[19:09] <Salpetersaeure> thx but problem alrady solved
[19:09] <sleon> np
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[20:19] <_ph00> PANIC
[20:19] <_ph00> I see *lots* of disconneted nodes
[20:20] <_ph00> cyberdo your node and mine are diconnected
[20:20] <_ph00> hjubal: same
[20:21] <_ph00> Caco_Patane, we didn't even re-add each other after I reinstalled my node
[20:21] <CIA-14> jflesch * r10650 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/ (16 files in 4 dirs): It is now possible to make links to other file indexes
[20:23] <hjubal> _ph00, sorry for the inconvenience, but I'm having an argue with nvidia-driver :\
[20:23] <_ph00> ah OK
[20:24] <_ph00> I had one or two such arguments
[20:24] <_ph00> I kciked it ass...
[20:24] <hjubal> at the moment my node is up
[20:25] <_ph00> oh yeah? Looks down to me
[20:26] <_ph00> maybe they'll connect later.
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[20:42] <_ph00> hjubal, have you tried asking for advice on #nvidia?
[20:43] <_ph00> they are not the nicest guys on earth, kinda like the debian ppl, all rtfm and google it up, etc, but it may be worth a try, maybe you have more luck
[20:43] <hjubal> _ph00, yes but it seems there's no one who could help me
[20:44] <_ph00> when I asked for help on that channel about the exact same issue you're having now, they told me to switch to ubuntu....
[20:44] <hjubal> ok, I've the message
[20:44] <_ph00> well... at least they didnt's say anything idiotic like they did with me
[20:44] <_ph00> no, wait
[20:45] <CIA-14> mrogers * r10651 /trunk/apps/load-balancing-sims/phase6/Sim.java: Kleinberg shortcuts chosen randomly with replacement
[20:46] <_ph00> I'm not saying that you should switch to ubuntu, I think U. is a great first distro for those who never used linux before, but it's way too noobish for anyone with some experience
[20:46] <_ph00> I'm onsly saying that hey told me that
[20:46] <_ph00> only*
[20:47] <hjubal> It's always good when someone helps new users
[20:48] <TheSeeker> hmm... local requests ... are they sent to a random first hop then greedy routed, sent round-robin or by some token system, or greedy routed from the start?
[20:49] <CIA-14> mrogers * r10652 /trunk/apps/load-balancing-sims/phase6/Sim.java: Kleinberg shortcuts chosen randomly with replacement
[20:50] <_ph00> of course it is. I try to help new users, for the little I can, but what I mean is, there are those linux-snob ghuys, they are really annoying, you're supposed to know everythiong or you are an idiot, and if you ask a question that *they* find stupid, they'll go rtfm, google it up, switch back to windows and so... that keeps ppl from even trying linux+
[20:53] <TheSeeker> It would seem that if a perfect kleinburg network were made, then most requests, for the first couple hops at least, would be sent to the nodes furthest away ... assuming no random selection of keys to request from a splitfile, most requests would want to go to the node furthest away from your own location.
[20:54] <TheSeeker> assuming no random -> assuming A random ...
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[21:00] <_ph00> what happended to toad? is he alive?
[21:01] <_ph00> bah. maybe he's on some pilgrimage, or something
[21:05] <_ph00> now this is weird
[21:06] <_ph00> to make thinsg more confortable I make a link to the freenet directory in my home directoy, so I start the terminal and cd to freenet in a couple of strokes
[21:06] <_ph00> I did that, then I launched frost
[21:07] <_ph00> and after a while I found that frost had written some stuff in my home dir
[21:08] <_ph00> I deleted it all, like an idiot...
[21:09] <_ph00> I'll restart frost and check if it really was it... if not, it's even weirder: a couple of files had 'frost' in the filename
[21:13] <_ph00> this time it didn't happen. I hope I forgot to delete those files, and then forgot that they were there, which made me think athat frost could have written then (as a couple of those files had the word 'frot' in the filename)
[21:14] <_ph00> and in this case I wonder where they came from... but it's too late now, I should quite the habit of deleting stuff so quickly.
[21:19] <CIA-14> mrogers * r10653 /trunk/apps/load-balancing-sims/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Some quick and dirty simulations of random and targetted node removal in Kleinberg networks
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[22:09] <hjubal> bye (goodnight)
[22:09] <_ph00> cya
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[22:09] <_ph00> got a bittorrent problem here, maybe someone can help me with that? (in pvt or on #freenet-chat)
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[22:58] <sleon> mario69: lookgin at it
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[23:03] <sleon> mario69: nice idea though
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