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[0:08] <TheSeeker> toad_: the 'barcode' graph should be brought back :D that thing rocked!
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[7:49] <MajorTom> anyone else getting setup error, saying directory "plugins" already exists (win32)?
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[8:43] <Beta_M> where are those statistics that toad has requested?
[8:43] * Beta_M is dumb
[8:43] <Beta_M> "Statistics" page
[8:43] <Beta_M> of course
[8:56] * nextgens replies to the thread
[8:56] <nextgens> we need nodeUptime as well
[8:57] <nextgens> and possibly stats on a "long" period of time
[8:57] <nextgens> like >12h
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[10:22] <iwantnode> I got my freenet to work last night with some help from toad_. I now find that some of my data store is curupt. Is there a way to move the working bit of my datastore to my newdatastore
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[10:53] <Molfar> small question. i've just swapped references with some peers. i presume i can now use freenet efficiently. but what happens if i change operating system - to linux for example? do i have to begin the whole procedure again? is there any way to preserve original data and when I install freenet on another OS to just paste it there?
[10:57] <sbc> Molfar: If you back up your store, peers file, node file (and maby a few other stuff), you should be able to move the node between different hosts.
[10:59] <Molfar> tnx, i hoped so. it's clear now about 'peers' and 'node' files, but what about 'store'? is it the data i've downloaded?
[11:00] <sbc> Molfar: No, store is the data currently in your node.
[11:01] <sbc> I think in general if yo back up all files of the form *-nodeport, you should be ready for moving the node.
[11:01] <Molfar> i see. tnx. hope that works
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[11:14] <nextgens> USK@RG18X0wfOZrQ-5axO~45moiclaFtqT7ANllg165Zjpg,qTu5gqJLwC5LYyomwTUQWPergIEa3WZIPPd5qd~R5Nk,AQABAAE/ENTRY.POINT/1/
[11:14] <nextgens> yay, a new index
[11:15] <nextgens> it's small, but might improve with time :)
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[11:29] <QshelTier> Then again, it might just perish and die.
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[11:29] <Bombe> Or am I being too negative here? :)
[11:29] <nextgens> Bombe> has any index died yet ?
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[11:30] <Bombe> nextgens, about every other, I'd guess. :)
[11:30] <nextgens> well, not really
[11:30] <nextgens> the public one can be updated at any time
[11:30] <nextgens> the one we bookmarked will be updated soon
[11:31] <nextgens> indicia seems to be updated on a regular basis
[11:31] <nextgens> FreeHoo was probably "powered" by a /.er
[11:31] <nextgens> hmm, yes freehoo is probably dead
[11:31] <nextgens> but to me it's the only one
[11:32] <nextgens> EntryPoint seems to be missing categories yet
[11:32] <Bombe> "the one we bookmarked" == Index .7?
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[11:34] <nextgens> freenet:USK@PFeLTa1si2Ml5sDeUy7eDhPso6TPdmw-2gWfQ4Jg02w,3ocfrqgUMVWA2PeorZx40TW0c-FiIOL-TWKQHoDbVdE,AQABAAE/Index/40/
[11:34] <nextgens> yes
[11:34] <Bombe> Then there's foogle, aka freenet +spider -google. Also pretty much dead.
[11:37] <Apophis2> some go, new ones will come ;) if content is produced
[11:37] <nextgens> according to frost there is new content
[11:37] <nextgens> not yet indexed
[11:37] <Apophis2> thats great, content which is not indexed...
[11:37] <Bombe> Hehe... well, thing is, we don't especially need new indexes to _come_ but we need them to _stay_. :)
[11:37] <nextgens> agreed most of it is uninterresting/pr0n/copyright infringment
[11:37] <nextgens> but it's still content
[11:38] <nextgens> Bombe> imo we need both
[11:38] <Apophis2> Staying on freenet is hard work :P
[11:38] <nextgens> Apophis2> well the peerlist corruption bug ought to be fixed now :)
[11:38] <nextgens> :XD
[11:39] <Apophis2> the people continuing leaving and comeing back with new identities too? :P
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[11:39] <nextgens> that's a problem indeed :`
[11:39] <Apophis2> right now I have 1 / 1 / 0 / 0 / 10
[11:39] <nextgens> Apophis2> btw, how comes you're back ? :)
[11:40] <nextgens> is your gateway back on track ?
[11:40] <Apophis2> I was bored
[11:40] <Apophis2> no nextgens, because I tried to run 10 nodes to have a bigger keyspace, like you suggested... This led the server to 99% of time using for freenet
[11:41] <nextgens> ^^-^^
[11:41] <Apophis2> I had a queue with up to 20 threads waiting all the time
[11:41] <Apophis2> and that with about 20KB/s up and downstream
[11:41] <Apophis2> I ran tor and had upto 2 MB / s up and downstream... with about 5% CPU load
[11:42] <Apophis2> which was too much for me ;)
[11:42] <Apophis2> the traffic
[11:42] <Apophis2> not the cpu
[11:42] <Apophis2> freenet is a memory and cpu hog
[11:42] * nextgens doesn't think so
[11:42] <nextgens> it has improved
[11:43] <nextgens> on .5 I wasn't able to run a node with 100M of ram
[11:43] <Apophis2> yes it has improved from catastrophic to bad
[11:43] <nextgens> I dunno
[11:43] <nextgens> there is always worst
[11:43] <nextgens> see firefox for instance
[11:43] <nextgens> atm it uses more ram than my node
[11:43] <nextgens> and it has been running for 2 days only
[11:44] <Apophis2> firefox 100MB / freenet 120 MB
[11:44] <Apophis2> right now
[11:44] <Apophis2> but yes firefox is a memory hog aswell
[11:44] <nextgens> anyway, 100M for a browser is really huge
[11:44] <nextgens> compared to what freenet does
[11:44] <Apophis2> yes it is too much
[11:45] <nextgens> moreover I bet you've got a load of things queued on your node ;)
[11:45] <nextgens> and probably frost running as well
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[11:45] <Apophis2> Yes frost runs, but I have exactly 2 working peers, and no down or uploads
[11:45] <Apophis2> 2 peers
[11:45] <Apophis2> just if you dont understand: TWO PEERS
[11:46] <nextgens> and ?
[11:46] <nextgens> freenet is working with two peers
[11:46] <Apophis2> routing with two peers cant be that hard
[11:46] <nextgens> freenet is working *fine* with two peers even
[11:46] <nextgens> agreed
[11:46] <nextgens> but well, it depends on you
[11:46] <nextgens> and noone else ;)
[11:47] <Apophis2> I'd like to have MORE peers
[11:47] <Apophis2> but I dont want to use hours of time to search them :P
[11:47] <Apophis2> well use -> waste
[11:47] <nextgens> get stable ones then
[11:47] <nextgens> my node is up h24 for instance
[11:48] <Apophis2> which needs even more time to evaluate them
[11:48] <nextgens> but I doubt I would grant you a link to it :)
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[11:48] <nextgens> well, if you're picking your refs. up from irc it's a false statement
[11:48] <nextgens> just do /whois nick
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[11:49] <nextgens> and you'll see since when the guy is signed on the irc server
[11:49] <nextgens> it's a good indicator to see whether he is a geek or not
[11:49] <nextgens> damn, he is gone
[11:49] <Bombe> :)
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[11:49] <nextgens> have I been ?
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[11:50] <Apophis2> wrong channel
[11:51] <Apophis2> I was about to say that my node is only on some hours per day since One connection between me and the server is always Backed Off
[11:51] <nextgens> I thought you were quitting to go sulking
[11:53] <Apophis2> just pressed the wrong button
[11:54] <Apophis2> Any schedules for opennet? ;)
[11:55] <nextgens> sorry, I gtg
[11:55] <nextgens> no
[11:55] <nextgens> :p
[11:55] <Apophis2> I knew that answer will come
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[11:56] * Apophis2 really dislikes people not facing realities
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[11:57] <Apophis2> Freenet is useless to most people without opennet
[11:57] <Apophis2> for me it is useless
[11:58] <Bombe> Sure, life is useless for most people without. Work still sucks. :)
[11:58] <Apophis2> and for all people not knowing IRC its useless aswell
[11:58] <Bombe> s,without,& work,
[11:59] <Apophis2> yeah freenet sucks... you got the right comparison
[12:00] <Bombe> Don't play stupid on me.
[12:04] <sandos> ok, upped my storesize fom 2 to 50GB
[12:04] <Apophis2> don't blame me for your faults...
[12:05] <Apophis2> Opennet could be implemented months ago...
[12:05] <Apophis2> and you know it will come...
[12:06] <Bombe> Fortunately I don't have to use it.
[12:08] <Apophis2> exactly ... so what... where is the problem=?
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[12:42] <sledz41> Hey i just installed freent, i need noderef
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[14:48] <investigator> so what does it mean when one of my connections is 'busy'?
[14:49] <_ph00> that it has things to do?
[14:49] <investigator> LoL
[14:50] <investigator> LOL
[14:51] <investigator> _ph00, one of the things that I've noticed, is that often when I add a ref, the name shown on the darknet page differs from the nic here in IRC. Is there some way of knowing, after the fact, who I am connected with?
[14:51] <investigator> like, can I view the IP of someone I'm connected with?
[14:51] <_ph00> yes
[14:51] <investigator> how do I check?
[14:52] <_ph00> in your darknet page
[14:52] <_ph00> each peers shows the IP
[14:53] <investigator> on my darknet page, it shows only Status, Name, Version, Connected/Idle
[14:53] <_ph00> but of course, irc nicks are not connected to freenet,
[14:53] <_ph00> no IP?
[14:53] <investigator> how do I access the IP of each peer?
[14:53] <investigator> nope
[14:53] * _ph00 checks
[14:53] <_ph00> I see Status, Name, *Adderss* etc
[14:54] <_ph00> have you enabled advance darknet? (coonfig page)
[14:54] <investigator> oops, not yet
[14:54] <_ph00> advanced
[14:54] <investigator> I tried that the other day, din't work
[14:54] <investigator> hold on brb
[14:55] <_ph00> set it to 'true' then go to the bottom of the page and hit 'apply'
[14:55] <investigator> gocha
[14:55] <investigator> Ahah!!!
[14:55] <investigator> thanks, _ph00, you're a lifesaver
[14:55] <_ph00> btw, wahy do you need to see the address? are you some NSA guy?
[14:55] <_ph00> why
[14:56] <investigator> nope
[14:56] <_ph00> of course not...
[14:56] <investigator> I was reading something about Peerguard, and I just want to make sure I'm not connected to any
[14:57] <investigator> one sec... brb
[14:57] <_ph00> let's put it this way: peerguard is a well-known app, do you think that *real* gov-backed "badguys"'s addresses would get added to the peerguardina shitlist?
[14:58] <_ph00> basically *any* IP can be a BadGuys(tm) address, maybe they're even routing thru unaware regular-joe machines
[14:59] <investigator> yes, I heard about the controversy on that
[14:59] <_ph00> so, Peerguardian doesn't do anything but giving people a false sense of safety, which is bad
[14:59] <investigator> but that notwithstanding, it's still nice to know who I'm in bed with
[15:00] <_ph00> maybe you don't really want to knowe who you're in bed with
[15:00] <investigator> LOL
[15:00] <_ph00> and anyway
[15:02] <_ph00> peerguardian could show a non-shiotlisted perfectly trustworthy IP, while it's actually the NSA itself, or al-Quaeda, or .that weird no-life geek round the corner
[15:02] <_ph00> no, wait, that's *me*
[15:02] <investigator> LOL
[15:02] <_ph00> you know what I mean, anywaay
[15:03] <investigator> speaking of which, you mentioned yesterday that you had built a machine from parts, and spent 200 euros on a m/b and cpu...
[15:03] <_ph00> yeah
[15:03] <investigator> yes, I know what you mean. I wasn't really planning on using peerguard because of the controversy, but it made me think, and I still wanted to know
[15:03] <investigator> that's quite a bit of money. you can buy a whole computer here for not much more than that
[15:04] <investigator> things is tough in Europe
[15:04] <_ph00> that was almost three years ago, I should upgrade it again, and that would cost me some 400 eurpos, but then I'd get a macjhine with 3200MhZ Intel, 1Gig ram, and 512 video ram, all I need to do is change cpu, videocard and motherboard, the rest is perfectly usable
[15:05] <_ph00> well, EU prices are what they are.
[15:05] <_ph00> A new box can cost you a couple of thou
[15:05] <investigator> keeping in mine, that used parts eventually give out. That's why I only use used parts when i can get them really cheap, or free. I usually just get a new box
[15:05] <investigator> ouch
[15:06] <_ph00> you get a new box, and what you do with the old one?
[15:06] <investigator> I bought this machine three years ago, for the equivalent of 350E
[15:06] <investigator> I usually find some use for it
[15:06] <_ph00> well...
[15:06] <_ph00> cool
[15:06] <investigator> (including the monitor)
[15:07] <investigator> and now it seems like it's slow
[15:07] <_ph00> maybe I could get some canuck to ship me one
[15:07] <investigator> if I may ask, whereabouts in EU are you?
[15:07] <_ph00> tha's not important, EU is Europe, and it's all well connected with north America
[15:08] <investigator> (I was just curious)
[15:08] <_ph00> (a bit too much)
[15:08] <_ph00> :P
[15:08] <investigator> ok
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[15:08] <investigator> (it's not so much that I wanted to know where you were, but rather what your second language was)
[15:09] <_ph00> I mean, the US alone is as big as EU, and Canada is even bigger, but usually beng "american" or "canadian" is enough, you don't need to specify where you live, so I think it should be the same for EU.
[15:09] <_ph00> they are trying to make one nation out of all those countries, after all
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[15:10] <_ph00> (that will take some 2-3 hundred years, but that's another story)
[15:10] <investigator> yes, I know what you mean. I was there a few years ago, and was really amazed when I drove from Germany to France, and there was no border crossing
[15:10] <_ph00> and I speak 5 languages
[15:10] <investigator> oic
[15:10] <_ph00> well,
[15:11] <_ph00> 4 and a half
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[15:12] <investigator> that's pretty good
[15:12] <_ph00> there are *some* small formalities left, when going to and from UK, and to the new member countries, but basically you can drive thru EU like you do thru the states
[15:12] <investigator> it was pretty amazing to me
[15:13] <investigator> when I drove from France to Switzerland, they just waved me on through, and the same going from Swiss to Germany
[15:13] <_ph00> even by plane, you check in with an ID card, and have to pass security checks (laike in domestic flights) but then you land in a place that is technically a foreign country, and don't even need a passport
[15:13] <investigator> quite a change from what one sees in old movies
[15:14] <_ph00> well, Switzerland is not technically "in" the EU
[15:14] <_ph00> but they have lots of agreements
[15:14] <investigator> when I flew to France, I had to get a passport. When I arived in Paris, I was expecting Customs, but there was none
[15:14] <investigator> (yes, I knew that)
[15:14] <_ph00> it's been that way since the early 90's
[15:14] <investigator> the only people that ever asked to see my passport was the airlines here, before I left
[15:16] <_ph00> but even during the 70 and 80's EU citizens didn't need passports to travel inside EU. The name was different then it wan't EU but EEC, but basically they're worklng on the idea of uniting europe since 1960
[15:16] <investigator> now that I have the advanced settings, instead of 'busy' it says, 'backed off' whatever that means
[15:16] <_ph00> that means
[15:16] <_ph00> that your node is kinds making too many requests
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[15:16] <_ph00> and the other node says "woah, dude! slow down!"
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[15:17] <investigator> that's strange, since I'm not downloading anything
[15:17] <_ph00> stuff is routed thru your node all the time
[15:17] <investigator> ah, ic
[15:17] <_ph00> distributed storage, remember?
[15:17] <investigator> right
[15:17] <Beacon> It seems some of the nodes on my connected list are almost always backed off, some are never.
[15:17] <investigator> ok, gocha
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[15:19] <investigator> now, my understanding is that for security, one should always try to have at least 3 nodes 'connected'. So if only one is 'connected' and the rest are 'backed off', then security is in jeopardy?
[15:19] <_ph00> say 10 connected nodes
[15:19] <_ph00> then you're OK
[15:19] <investigator> oh...
[15:19] <investigator> I better add some more
[15:19] <_ph00> 3 is the very lowest
[15:19] <investigator> ok
[15:19] <investigator> I think the most I've had connected at any one time is about six
[15:20] <_ph00> 8-10 connected nodes should be fine. I have 13 peers and all 24/7
[15:20] <investigator> and the 'backed off' ones don't count?
[15:20] <_ph00> but if you have non-24/7 peers, you want some 15-18 total to get some 7-10 connected
[15:20] <investigator> ok
[15:21] <_ph00> the backed off is connected but not really working, I think... but I don't really know.
[15:21] <Beacon> I have 11 connected, 3 backed off, 7 disconnected.
[15:21] <_ph00> that's good
[15:21] <investigator> I don't know if I have you...
[15:21] <Beacon> yes it works
[15:21] <investigator> http://dark-code.bulix.org/ns8pl7-18918?raw
[15:21] <Beacon> me http://dark-code.bulix.org/u5e92a-19368?raw
[15:21] <_ph00> I don't need more peers right now, thanks anyway
[15:21] <_ph00> and
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[15:22] <_ph00> the refs channel is #freenet-refs
[15:22] <investigator> beacon added
[15:22] <investigator> oh, right. I forgot
[15:22] <investigator> sorry
[15:22] <_ph00> np
[15:22] <Beacon> yes. We're connected.
[15:23] <investigator> I really appreciate all of your advice, _ph00
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[15:24] <_ph00> nice. but don't take me too seriously, I'm no dev, and no *real* computer geek either, most of my advice is based on guessings
[15:25] <investigator> they've been pretty good, so far
[15:28] <investigator> yesterday, you told me to run update.cmd, after I got it all sorted out there was a post on the Frost board, telling me the same thing :-)
[15:28] <investigator> anyways, I better get my manygy (_*_) over to the refs channel, and make some connections. Nice to chat with you again.
[15:29] <investigator> take care
[15:29] <investigator> bye for now
[15:29] <_ph00> cya
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[17:47] <Beacon> Question: When will my node start to store into storage ? Reason for this question is this from Stats page: Cached keys: 25 316 (~791 MiB) *versus* Stored keys: 319 (~9.96 MiB)
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[18:21] <MineHaunter> maybe it's time to update the topic :)
[18:21] <MineHaunter> My node says the last good version is 978 :)
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[18:28] <_ph00> hey! Some *do* read the topic after all!
[18:29] <MineHaunter> eheh
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[18:38] <geekU> mine is 990 :)
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[19:45] <investigator> "6 of your node?s peers have never connected even once" These are refs I added this morning. I wonder what this is all about
[19:45] <investigator> and I've got 5 'backed off'
[20:03] <_ph00> don't mind the backed offs
[20:03] <_ph00> if you added them this morining and they havn't connected yet, I would suppose that they didn't add you: delete them
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[20:04] <investigator> great. Makes me wonder why they come in here and ask to trade refs if they don't want to add you
[20:05] <investigator> does a backed off count as connected or not?
[20:06] <investigator> brb
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[20:18] <investigator> is back
[20:21] <investigator> does a backed off count as a connection?
[20:22] <sleon> Cached keys: 101,329 (3.09 GiB)
[20:22] <sleon> Stored keys: 21,451 (670 MiB)
[20:22] <sleon> Overall size: 122,780/122,755 (3.74 GiB/3.74 GiB)
[20:22] <sleon> Cache hits: 99 / 1,896 (5%)
[20:22] <sleon> Store hits: 8 / 1,582 (0%)
[20:22] <sleon> investigator: no
[20:22] <investigator> ok, thanks
[20:22] <sleon> investigator: when you backed off then the connection is temporarily not used
[20:22] <investigator> ok
[20:22] <investigator> I've got 1 connection and 5 backed off
[20:23] <investigator> must be a busy day
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[20:26] <investigator> sleon, what I don't get is when I add a ref, he says he's added me, then I get 'never connected'
[20:31] <sleon> investigator: who says this?
[20:31] <investigator> my darknet page shows 5 refs that never connected
[20:32] <investigator> make that six
[20:32] <sleon> he says he's added me,
[20:32] <sleon> who is "he"
[20:32] <investigator> the person whose ref I added
[20:33] <investigator> I've added 6 refs today, and the person says that he has added me
[20:33] <investigator> all 6 show never connected
[20:33] <investigator> you want the ref IDs?
[20:34] <investigator> it isn't just today. It's been happening all week
[20:35] <investigator> b1gbob, d9t=3ce, icecold, node1111, postlink-mass, Seltic
[20:35] <sleon> hmmm
[20:35] <sleon> investigator: are you all behind a firewall?
[20:35] <investigator> yes
[20:36] <investigator> but some of them work, some do not
[20:36] <investigator> I've got a NAT router and Kerio running
[20:37] <investigator> some other people have been complaining about this problem as well
[20:39] <sleon> investigator: how does you ref look like ?
[20:39] <investigator> http://dark-code.bulix.org/ns8pl7-18918?raw
[20:40] <sleon> investigator: your ref is missing physical address
[20:41] <sleon> investigator: you need it to be in your reference
[20:41] <investigator> it shows the physical.udp on my darknet page
[20:42] <sleon> investigator: you need physical udp in the reference, i can not find physical udp in the ref you posted me
[20:42] <sleon> investigator: you need to give physical.udp to other node
[20:42] <investigator> it shows it on my darknet page, wonder why it doesn't show when you look
[20:43] <sleon> investigator: i look at dark-code page!
[20:43] <investigator> ok
[20:43] <investigator> I'll have to go there and have a look at it
[20:43] <sleon> investigator: you pasted it there , and you did paste all, so your ref you give to other ppl is fucked up
[20:43] <investigator> I should mention that I have a dynamic IP
[20:43] <sleon> investigator: as long it is fucked up you can not connect
[20:43] <investigator> ok
[20:43] <investigator> lemme check brb
[20:43] <sleon> investigator: when you use dynamic ip use dyndns and set ip override in freenet.ini
[20:44] <sleon> to your dyndns address
[20:44] <investigator> ok, I'm a noob, dunn how to do that
[20:45] <investigator> hold on one sec
[20:45] <investigator> I've got the freenet.ini open
[20:46] <sleon> investigator: when you are a noob , use fproxy configuration page
[20:46] <sleon> investigator: go to 127.0.0.1:8888 and to config
[20:46] <investigator> yes, I'm there
[20:46] <sleon> and seek for IP address override
[20:47] <investigator> got it
[20:47] <investigator> what do i put in that box?
[20:48] <sleon> you need to use some dynamic dns server
[20:48] <sleon> service
[20:48] <sleon> investigator: you need to install dyndns client which updates ip for the dyndns domain every time you reconnect
[20:48] <investigator> ouch
[20:48] <sleon> BUT
[20:48] <sleon> wait a second
[20:49] <sleon> investigator: you do not need it when you connect to nodes with static ip
[20:49] <sleon> investigator: cause then the ip gets automatically updated
[20:49] <investigator> you mean if the other node I connect to has a static IP, I'm ok with them?
[20:49] <sleon> investigator: simply paste your COMPLETE ref to pastebin.ca or something
[20:49] <sleon> and give it to ppl
[20:49] <sleon> investigator: yes
[20:50] <investigator> I guess that's why I can connect with some, but not others
[20:50] <sleon> right now it is not about dynamic ip , but about incomplete reference
[20:50] <investigator> ok, let me double check my ref
[20:50] <sleon> investigator: you have incomplete reference
[20:50] <investigator> brb
[20:51] <investigator> I'm at the bulix pastebin page, but not sure how to find my ref there
[20:52] <sleon> investigator: create a new entry ...
[20:53] <investigator> ok
[20:53] <investigator> I take the paste from my darknet page? from the 'my reference' box?
[20:54] <investigator> holy moly, I just checked, and my IP IS missing...
[20:56] <investigator> http://code.bulix.org/gjwu10-19548?Raw
[20:56] <_ph00> btw, my IP is static, but I still lose connection with some peers: nodes that I know are up, and I know they have a static IP or a dyndns, still get disconnected. sometimes for long periods of time.
[20:57] <_ph00> My problem could be that I can't porta forward
[20:57] <_ph00> ...or?
[20:57] <investigator> I don't understand how my IP could have been missing from my old ref
[20:57] <investigator> I guess I may have to create a new ref every time my IP changes
[20:58] <_ph00> some of them do reconnect after they restart, despite me being unable to listen for inbound connections, other will stay disconnected even if I restart (and connect to them outbound)
[20:58] <_ph00> investigator: no
[20:58] <_ph00> the stun plugin should handle that
[20:58] <investigator> stun?
[20:59] <_ph00> go to your config page
[20:59] <investigator> ok
[20:59] <investigator> there
[20:59] <investigator> plugin manager?
[21:00] <sleon> investigator: investigator not http://code.bulix.org/gjwu10-19548?Raw
[21:00] <sleon> investigator: http://code.bulix.org/gjwu10-19548?raw
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[21:00] <sleon> investigator: this ref looks ok
[21:00] <investigator> ok
[21:00] <sleon> investigator: you do not have to create new ref ....
[21:00] <investigator> I dunno how the old one got screwed up
[21:01] <investigator> fargin strange
[21:01] <_ph00> investigator, there is a line to load the stun pluguin,, that should be something like @#:/freenet-path/plugins/JSTUN.jar, but it'0s not exactly so, sorry I don't remember the exact line....
[21:01] <investigator> oops ok http://code.bulix.org/gjwu10-19548?raw
[21:02] <investigator> lemme check the path
[21:03] <sleon> investigator: you did not screw the ref up, you simply copied it incomplete!~
[21:03] <_ph00> the path should be the plugins folder in the freenet folder, the problem is the begionning of the line: I remember that a @ was there, but not how the exact line should look like
[21:03] <investigator> I copied and pasted, so I couldn't have left anything out
[21:03] <investigator> one sec
[21:04] <investigator> sort of like @program files/freenet/plugins/jstun.jar
[21:06] <investigator> does that sound about right?
[21:06] <_ph00> hm... not really. @ at the start is OK, but something is missing right after that
[21:07] <investigator> @#:/program files/freenet/plugins/jstun.jar
[21:07] <_ph00> and btw, you want to install freenet on its own partition, possibly encrypted. That's not absolutely necessary, but a cool thing to doo anyway
[21:07] <_ph00> yes
[21:07] <_ph00> must be that
[21:07] <_ph00> only that the / become | on windows
[21:07] <investigator> I've only got the one partition on this hard drive
[21:08] <_ph00> \
[21:08] <investigator> I thought so
[21:08] <_ph00> you can resize your one partition, and make a new one one free space you get that way
[21:08] <_ph00> uaing partition magic
[21:08] <_ph00> using
[21:09] <investigator> I'll have to look into it
[21:09] <_ph00> I never got any data loss while resiszinig partitions with PM so far
[21:09] <investigator> in the meantime, I thought about just encrypting the freenet folder when I'm done for the day
[21:09] <_ph00> it's an iso image, you burn the cd, but you don't need to install anything, even if windows will propmt you to install: click no
[21:10] <_ph00> all you need to do is burn the image using nero (or equivalent) with the 'burn image' feature, then boot from cd
[21:10] <_ph00> can you encrypt one folder?
[21:10] <investigator> yes
[21:10] <_ph00> well... yes, OK
[21:11] <investigator> I just zip it up, then encrypt
[21:11] <investigator> then erase the plaintext folder
[21:11] <_ph00> and will it still be accessible and writeable?
[21:11] <investigator> I have to unencrypt when I want to use it
[21:11] <_ph00> an erased folder is still redable if the guys know his computers
[21:11] <_ph00> but anyway
[21:11] <investigator> unless I switch to truecrypt
[21:11] <_ph00> we don't really need such paranoia leverls
[21:11] <_ph00> (yet)
[21:12] <investigator> when I say 'erase' I mean file shredded, not deleted
[21:12] <_ph00> if you use for example LUKS (on linux, I know nothing about woindows-luks)
[21:12] <_ph00> with luks, your partition will look like a unformatted partition
[21:13] <investigator> oic
[21:13] <investigator> hold on one sec
[21:13] <_ph00> shredded is OK. overwrite several times is even better
[21:14] <_ph00> but as I was saying, as long as freent is legal, we don't really need to wory about hiding the very fact that we run freenet nodes
[21:14] <_ph00> yet, it's a goot thing to learn how to do that, just in case
[21:14] <investigator> right
[21:14] <investigator> well, if I get that paranoid, I'll consider TrueCrypt
[21:16] <_ph00> you may need to get that paranoid in a not-so-distant future
[21:17] <_ph00> and by that time, you want to have learned how to use linux: much more secure
[21:17] <_ph00> then encryption and stuff, OK
[21:17] <_ph00> but if the OS itself is backdorred to begin with, you basically done
[21:18] <investigator> right
[21:19] <_ph00> and I suspect that windows is backdorred. I can be a bit too paranoid maybe, but I think that the company that makes an OS that is said to bwe used by 90% of all users, will get a lot of pressure from the governments of many countries, to put some 'panic backdoors' in the system
[21:20] <investigator> I don't suppose that would surprise me
[21:20] <_ph00> think: if you were a govt guy, and you knwe what company was about to supply 90% of all the OSD's to China Iran, etc, what would you do?
[21:21] <_ph00> I woul force them to put some backdoor there
[21:21] <investigator> :-)
[21:22] <_ph00> now, if you were a govt guy in a country where a terrorist witch hunt frenzy is going on, and one company supplied some 90% of all the OS's, what would you do?
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[21:23] <_ph00> so, I can't prove anything of course, but it makes sense
[21:23] <investigator> I dunno. I think Micro$oft is so powerful now, they are alomost a governement in and of themselves. The don't even bow down to the U.S. governement, so I don't believe they would bow down to any banana republic
[21:24] <_ph00> you are right. Govt helps MS letting them hijack the market, so you basically can't buy a pre-assembled PC without being forced to bay windows with it, and in return MS helps the govt's by putting "anti-terrorist" backdoors in the system
[21:25] <investigator> hmmm
[21:25] <_ph00> and it looks like the US and Europe themselver have turned in a bunch of ridicolous banana republics, lately
[21:25] <investigator> und how long haff der paranoids been after you? ;-)
[21:25] <_ph00> sad, but true
[21:26] <investigator> yeah, it looks like it's headed in that direction.
[21:26] <_ph00> denying obvious trith, govts spying on citizens, "anti-terror" laws that practically don't do anything to terrorist, only give police more power
[21:26] <investigator> you've got that right
[21:27] <_ph00> police power abuse, police brutality, acceped as "normal"
[21:27] <investigator> pretty much
[21:27] <_ph00> politicians doing their opwn business intead of running the country...
[21:27] <_ph00> banana republic
[21:28] <investigator> and the more things get screwed up, the more they must guard against revolt
[21:28] <_ph00> companies run the fovernments, and governments help companies
[21:28] <investigator> I think if this conversation goes much further, I will need to start my IM encrption
[21:28] <investigator> one sec brb
[21:29] <_ph00> they don't need to worry about citizens revolting: all they need to do is telling them that they have an enemy (in this case: EvilArabs(tm)
[21:29] <_ph00> we switch this to #freenet-chat
[21:29] <_ph00> before someone tells us to do that
[21:29] <investigator> ok
[21:29] <investigator> switching
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[21:44] <mario69_> evening
[21:45] <mario69_> so is there a freenet index wich is actually updated?
[21:45] <mario69_> s/wich/which
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[21:50] <sbc> mario69: freenet:USK@e4TEIN5l1nkn6kjl63XBgYTYobmwGvtnyK2YW0b0ajo,hv-2~OfetXkb0FhDuPxorWIf0wXeZKPEfdIhwyh-mhk,AQABAAE/AnotherIndex/29/ and freenet:USK@c55vMxUl-T-lD3nv0iOaXF~G1hnY6pOMRbzZSwACMmY,yd8~uwUmGm164-ipStoiBOJVjkbbYXJMlD~H5ftPxIA,AQABAAE/Indicia/33/ are nice.
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[22:01] <mario69_> thanks sbc (I hope he reads backlogs)
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[22:28] <mario69_> I wonder, how long does it take for a freesite to appear on spider index like anotherIndex. I know for a fact that I inserted a few test sites and I don't see them on te spider generated list.
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[22:32] <Bombe> mario69, those sites probably aren't linked anywhere, right? So spiders will never find them.
[22:33] <mario69_> that might be the reason, yes.
[22:34] <mario69_> I thought that spiders dug deeper, though.
[22:36] <Bombe> No... you have to know the complete key of a page to be able to retrieve _and_ to decrypt it.
[22:36] <Bombe> Guessing won't get you far. :)
[22:38] <Guest2322> the Definete Spider does not work
[22:38] <Guest2322> would anyone be willing to fix it?
[22:38] <mario69_> seems you are right. The way it is now has another merit in that it protects index users from seeing hundreds of single page blah-blah type test sites :)
[22:39] <mario69_> I mean, even if it was possible to find them it is probably better the way it is now.
[22:40] <mario69_> got to catch some sleep
[22:40] <mario69_> till later
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