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[0:40] <toad_> agsarite: tens of thousands of nodes is pretty optimistic
[0:40] <toad_> bbl zzz
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[1:36] <agsarite> maybe i just don't know how to cook it properly, but i think tofu tastes rather strange.
[1:37] <yfrwlf> lol
[1:37] <yfrwlf> now that's a topic starter
[1:37] <agsarite> :)
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[2:07] <may> hi
[2:07] <agsarite> phi
[2:08] <may> asl plz
[2:08] <agsarite> n/a n/a n/a
[2:08] <may> what
[2:10] <tyx> 13/f/el salvador
[2:11] <may> ok
[2:11] <may> :)
[2:12] <yfrwlf> lol
[2:12] <yfrwlf> geez child porn sure is a hot topic here =P I wish ppl would just cool it with that.
[2:13] <may> ??????? ?? ?????? ????
[2:13] <tyx> but then freenet isnt free seach
[2:14] <may> ????
[2:14] * agsarite coughs
[2:15] <yfrwlf> I'm not telling everyone to shutup, it's good that it's a hot topic I think because it shows it's of interest and such apparently, it's good people can vent, but I'm just saying, it's just getting a little old =P
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[2:19] <agsarite> what are the odds that may called the police to tell them about an irc full of strange people talking about child porn?
[2:20] <tyx> why would they care if you disuss child porn
[2:21] <agsarite> no reason.
[2:21] <agsarite> on a completely unrelated subject, english needs gender neutral pronouns. i vote we revise the specification.
[2:23] <yfrwlf> tyx: I think you misunderstood, I was just randomly complaining that I'm a little tired of hearing all the arguing and jokes about cp, I'm not saying anything more than that, I still support Freenet in every way. It's just that over the past many many months it's raged on.
[2:24] <yfrwlf> "it" is gender neutral
[2:24] <tyx> ah
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[2:25] <yfrwlf> even though "it" is often used in a derogatory fashion, even though it shouldn't be, but sadly it is because it hints that whoever is making the comment didn't take enough time to get to know who they were talking about long enough to find out their gender.
[2:26] <agsarite> i blame the internet.
[2:26] <yfrwlf> lol
[2:27] <agsarite> although it would happen eventually when the earth finally makes contact with a race of asexual aliens.
[2:27] <yfrwlf> I blame GWB
[2:27] <yfrwlf> true ^^
[2:28] <agsarite> sure, maybe that's not likely to happen, but a good language has to be ready for anything!
[2:29] <yfrwlf> I don't think it will stop the tripod death machines and laser blasts though ^^
[2:30] <agsarite> they'd probably relate to one gender more than the other though, and we'd refer to them all as that. most likely female, since they have to reproduce somehow.
[2:30] <agsarite> unless they've lost the ability to reproduce, and they survive by cloning themselves.
[2:30] <yfrwlf> unless they used asexual reproduction
[2:30] <yfrwlf> or that
[2:30] <agsarite> then they might prefer to be refered to as male.
[2:31] <agsarite> i'm ready for the next big alien invasion, are you?
[2:31] <agsarite> i'm totally psyched, man.
[2:31] <agsarite> it's gonna be awesome.
[2:32] <yfrwlf> but you're basing that idea off our history, who knows what they'd prefer in their society, or how many sexes their race would have. What if oxygen levels were slightly higher and thatled to a completely different-looking species than anyone could ever have imagined? =D
[2:32] <yfrwlf> at least it'll prove we're all not alone ^^
[2:33] <yfrwlf> maybe it'll be a race of dinosaurs, since they would be here if it weren't for that meteor.
[2:38] <agsarite> if they're going to interact with is, they're going to have to assimilate some of our culture, and vica-versa. that probably includes our notion of gender, and they'll probably have an opinion on it.
[2:39] <agsarite> possibly.
[2:39] <agsarite> anyway, i imagine most sentient life forms would know about sex, even if they don't have sex themselves. sex is just that awesome.
[2:45] <yfrwlf> lol, if your species does it then yeah you probably like it.
[2:47] <agsarite> sex seems to be a (if not the) optimal way of quickly distributing genes throughout a population.
[2:48] <agsarite> unless they could exchange their genes with each other without sex, and then reproduce asexually at a later date.
[2:48] <agsarite> but what would be the fun in that?
[3:01] <yfrwlf> there wouldn't be
[3:07] <agsarite> actually, that might be just as much fun as sex, but without all that undesirable baby making.
[3:07] <agsarite> depends on how the genes are exchanged, i guess.
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[3:08] <bpinard> I have a question
[3:09] <agsarite> then again, you'd have to be careful if you reproduced like that, because sex would screw you up, as opposed to just your children.
[3:10] <agsarite> what be your question today, good sir?
[3:10] <bpinard> well, I have a mac
[3:10] <bpinard> I can't fgure out how to run freenet
[3:10] <bpinard> it ran when I instaled it
[3:10] <bpinard> but after I rebooted, I can't find a shortcut or anything
[3:11] <bpinard> I installed it into Applications/Freenet, and I tried running each of the .jar files to no avail
[3:11] <bpinard> I'm using the fproxy page to see when it's running
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[3:13] <agsarite> After the 'I have a mac', I'm in completely unknown territory. Sorry.
[3:13] <yfrwlf> what?
[3:13] <yfrwlf> so is it running now then or isn't it?
[3:13] <bpinard> it's not
[3:13] <bpinard> and I don't know how to run it
[3:14] <bpinard> theres no documentation on how to run it
[3:14] <bpinard> just install
[3:15] <yfrwlf> I'd imagine the way to run it on a Mac would be to run a freenet jar file, would be my guess, so if it's not working...
[3:15] <bpinard> yeah tried that
[3:15] <yfrwlf> and the install file was a jar file too, right?
[3:15] <bpinard> yeah
[3:15] <bpinard> it ran fine
[3:16] <bpinard> I'm trying to run the other jar files
[3:16] <bpinard> but nothing is happening
[3:17] <bpinard> jsite.jar runs
[3:17] <yfrwlf> so you could run the install jar, but not the program jar. The only thing I can think of is that the files you are trying to run now are either just shortcuts that are bad shortcuts and I'd try running the files directly if possible. 2) Something in your Java setup got messed up somehow which leads me to 3) you could also try running the install file again to confirm whether it's the Freenet program being weird, your icons bein
[3:18] <yfrwlf> are you sure nothing is happening? Remember, if you run freenet, it just starts the service. Are you sure the service hasn't been started now?
[3:18] <yfrwlf> I can't be a whole lot of help either since I run Win and Lin, but I thought I'd make suggestions nonetheless =P
[3:19] <bpinard> yeah me too
[3:19] <bpinard> but
[3:19] <bpinard> no process is running D:
[3:19] <bpinard> ill just reinstall
[3:19] <agsarite> does http://localhost:8888/ load anything?
[3:20] <yfrwlf> he said it didn't
[3:20] <bpinard> nope
[3:20] <yfrwlf> if other jars work, but freenet doesn't, then yeah, I'm lost, it sort of sounds like some bug with Freenet or with Java to me.
[3:21] <yfrwlf> for running on the Mac at least.
[3:21] <yfrwlf> it worked fine for me, though I haven't rebooted my computer yet after installing it, because in Linux you never need to reboot ;)
[3:22] <agsarite> (possible exception of kernel upgrades)
[3:22] <yfrwlf> correct
[3:23] <yfrwlf> if you want to upgrade, and when you're ready to start using the newer version.
[3:23] <agsarite> my uptime is only 10 days :(
[3:23] <yfrwlf> lol why?
[3:24] <yfrwlf> oh you mean since you started Freenet?
[3:24] <agsarite> power goes out somewhat often.
[3:24] <yfrwlf> oh
[3:24] <agsarite> i think the longest i've ever had my computer run was 28 days.
[3:24] <yfrwlf> for a short time? You should get a backup supply perhaps
[3:25] <yfrwlf> geez, you should spank your electric provider
[3:34] <yfrwlf> night Freenet!
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[8:43] <coco326> hello, i search a ref
[8:50] <redivivo> hello coco326
[8:50] <redivivo> my ref http://dark-code.bulix.org/jn7598-19354?raw
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[8:57] <_ph00> wrong channel :P
[8:58] <_ph00> (too late)
[8:58] <_ph00> whatever
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[10:58] <amphibian> how's everything?
[11:08] <agsarite> i don't think dot can handle the vastness of freenet.
[11:09] <agsarite> but other than that, everything seems to be rolling along.
[11:22] <amphibian> who or what is dot?
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[11:28] <agsarite> i don't know, but it's eaten all my ram and i'm quickly running out of swap.
[11:29] <amphibian> is it a spider?
[11:29] <agsarite> dot - makes ``hierarchical'' or layered drawings of directed graphs. The layout algorithm aims edges in the same direction (top to bottom, or left to right) and then attempts to avoid edge crossings and reduce edge length.
[11:29] <agsarite> its for turning information into pretty pictures.
[11:29] <amphibian> ahhh
[11:30] <amphibian> that thingy
[11:30] <amphibian> is that what we used on the testnet grapher?
[11:30] <whiterabbit> hey guys...
[11:30] <whiterabbit> can i have yours refs?
[11:30] <amphibian> hi whiterabbit
[11:31] <amphibian> no, but you can ask around on #freenet-refs
[11:31] <whiterabbit> ok... i asked you because on #freenet-refs is't activity by user
[11:31] <amphibian> hmmm
[11:32] <whiterabbit> emm... excouse me for my english but i?m italian...:)
[11:32] <amphibian> some folk should join #freenet-refs ...
[11:32] <amphibian> whiterabbit: you don't actually know anyone on freenet by any chance?
[11:32] <whiterabbit> no..
[11:33] <amphibian> ok..
[11:33] <whiterabbit> your node is 24/7?
[11:34] <amphibian> yes but i have lots of peers, i'm a dev
[11:34] <amphibian> anyone else want to connect to whiterabbit ?
[11:34] <agsarite> where can i find this testnet graph?
[11:35] <amphibian> gotta go
[11:35] <amphibian> bbiab
[11:36] <amphibian> whiterabbit: if you can't find anyone else to connect to, register with nickserv (/msg nickserv help register), so you can send privmsg's, then message me (/msg amphibian ...)
[11:36] <amphibian> whiterabbit: or come back tomorrow when there may be more people
[11:36] <whiterabbit> i'm alredy registered
[11:37] <amphibian> well
[11:37] <amphibian> if you can't find anyone else you can connect to me, but after i come back
[11:37] <amphibian> bbiab
[11:38] <amphibian> i don't want to be a single point of failure/hub/nexus just because i'm a dev...
[11:38] <amphibian> and everyone trusts me :)
[11:38] <amphibian> especially as my internet connection isn't very good
[11:38] <amphibian> bbiab
[11:39] <whiterabbit> my node is active from 9.00am to 10.00pm oitalian hours
[11:47] <TheSeeker> http://www.google.com/codesearch o.?
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[12:36] <nextgens> hi
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[13:02] <amphibian> hi
[13:03] <amphibian> whiterabbit: did you get some noderefs?
[13:03] <amphibian> whiterabbit: #freenet-refs seems a bit more active now
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[13:30] <mario69> hmm... an "interesting" handling of css in jSite.
[13:31] <mario69> document source says: <style type="text/css" title="currentStyle" media="screen"> @import "./somedir/somecss.css"; </style>
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[13:35] <mario69> translated to: <style type="text/css" media="all">@import "/USK@..../sitepath/2/sample.css?type=text/css"
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[13:36] <mario69> there is NO sample.css anywhere in project directory :(
[13:36] <agsarite> jsite doesn't translate anything, the node does before it sends it to your browser.
[13:36] <agsarite> wheres the file in question?
[13:37] <mario69> that is what I amtrying to find
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[13:43] <amphibian> yay i may be able to get my MEP (who also happens to be the leader of the lib dems in the European Parliament) to talk to an FFII person about the EPLA
[13:44] <amphibian> we'll see
[13:44] <amphibian> at least he/his assistant wrote back to me to ask what FFII and EPLA are :)
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[13:45] <toad_> anyone object to me releasing 987 with the current changes?
[13:48] <TheSeeker> 986 r10626 has been runnign fine for me.
[13:49] <TheSeeker> 15h uptime stats:
[13:49] <TheSeeker> # Payload Output: 345 MiB (6.41 KiBps) (68%)
[13:49] <TheSeeker> # Total Input: 392 MiB (7.28 KiBps)
[13:49] <TheSeeker> # bwlimitDelayTime: 0ms
[13:49] <TheSeeker> # nodeAveragePingTime: 460ms
[13:49] <TheSeeker> # networkSizeEstimateSession: 333 nodes
[13:49] <TheSeeker> # avrConnPeersPerNode: 6.428186 peers
[13:49] <toad_> looks okay
[13:50] <toad_> what's your output limit?
[13:50] <TheSeeker> 60K
[13:50] <toad_> :|
[13:50] <TheSeeker> :/
[13:50] <toad_> but that's no different to prior builds
[13:50] <toad_> how many peers?
[13:50] <TheSeeker> # Connected: 13
[13:50] <TheSeeker> # Backed off: 7
[13:50] <TheSeeker> #
[13:50] <TheSeeker> # Disconnected: 2
[13:51] <TheSeeker> hmm, disconnceted ones have been gone more than a day, so couldn't have contributed.
[13:51] <toad_> okay, i'll concoct a changelog...
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[13:53] <TheSeeker> from what I can tell, no significant changes to node operation have been implemented since 10626, just a stat change and logging of an NPE, is that right?
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[13:57] <TheSeeker> whee
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[14:01] <_ph00> wtf is wrong with freenode today?!?
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[14:01] <toad_> :|
[14:01] <agsarite> the pipes are clogged.
[14:02] <TheSeeker> tubes!
[14:02] <_ph00> looks like a deliberate attck tome...
[14:02] <agsarite> oh, sorry.
[14:02] <TheSeeker> heh
[14:02] <_ph00> (buy I'm known paranoid guy)
[14:02] <agsarite> freenode is a series of tubes.
[14:02] <_ph00> pipes? who said pipes? when do we start smoking?
[14:03] <_ph00> hooray for 987
[14:03] <MineHaunter> cheers :)
[14:03] <_ph00> aloha paisa'
[14:03] <MineHaunter> aloha :P
[14:03] <_ph00> (now *that* is language mixing)
[14:03] <TheSeeker> ... ouch :( relying on stock for income can be great if the market is good, but today is not a good day :(
[14:05] <_ph00> "cheers" reminds me of a tiome, several years ago, I lived in UK for a while, and it took me several months to realize that they sometimes (often) say 'cheers' instead of 'thanks?. I thought ?what cheers? where's the drinking?'
[14:06] <agsarite> my spider claims to have reached the end of freenet. what kind of worthless information should i try to squeeze out of it, now?
[14:06] <MineHaunter> agsarite: rescan all the USK keys to find new editions :P
[14:06] <_ph00> yes, and I ate at a restaurant at the end of the universe, the other day
[14:07] <agsarite> it did that before i wrote the spider.
[14:07] <_ph00> once I got a page that eread 'congrats, you reached the last page of the internet, not go out and get a life'
[14:08] <agsarite> i want pi(e) charts, but they'll have to wait until next time.
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[14:20] <_ph00> OT (again) what's the difference between KB, MB, GB, and KiB, MiB, GiB?
[14:20] <_ph00> I know, i
[14:20] <_ph00> I mean the real difference, if any
[14:22] <MineHaunter> KB is 1000 bytes
[14:22] <MineHaunter> KiB is 1024 bytes
[14:22] <MineHaunter> or it is KB 1024 and KiB 1000?? don't remember
[14:22] <_ph00> ok yeah? I was pretty sure4 that a KB was 1023
[14:22] <_ph00> 1024
[14:22] <_ph00> must be the other way
[14:23] <_ph00> if that's the difference, then it must be KB = 1024, KiB=1000
[14:24] <MineHaunter> wikipedia says: Kilobyte (kB), equal to 1,000 bytes, or Kibibyte (KiB), equal to 1,024 bytes
[14:24] <_ph00> weird
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[14:25] <_ph00> well, wikiperdia is not always right
[14:25] <_ph00> I remember talikng about KB as 1024 bytes, way before I heard of KiB's
[14:25] <MineHaunter> Yeah... me to
[14:25] <_ph00> but maybe we've ben [technically] wrong all the time
[14:25] <TheSeeker> I trust it over your guesses based on Microsoft convention. :P
[14:26] <MineHaunter> I think it's due to the fact that for every measurement unit, K stands for Kilo = 1000
[14:26] <_ph00> you trsust *it*, what?
[14:26] <TheSeeker> considering that Microsoft is not consistent at all where it uses 1000 or 1024 as KB
[14:26] <MineHaunter> so ISO createt the new Ki prefix which stands for 1024
[14:26] <TheSeeker> wikipedia
[14:26] <_ph00> ah ok
[14:27] <_ph00> it could be like this: technically, it's as wikipedia says, but conventionally it's like I was used to, based on M$ keeping their users in in ignorance
[14:28] <_ph00> so we've been talking about 1024 bytes KB's because MS said so all the time, despite the correct term being KiB
[14:28] <_ph00> I think it must be so
[14:28] <_ph00> well... it could
[14:30] <MineHaunter> Maybe it used to be 1Kb = 1024b but that was incorrect for the official standard
[14:30] <MineHaunter> I'm sure that historically 1Kb = 1024b :)
[14:30] <MineHaunter> I don't think MS has to do with this
[14:31] <MineHaunter> maybe it's hardware manufacturers who started to sell 1GB HDs that were in fact only 953GiB
[14:32] <MineHaunter> so the need for an unambiguous measurement unit
[14:32] <TheSeeker> _ph00: microsoft doesn't ise 1024 in all cases when representing something as xxxKB ... and doesn't use 1024*1024 for MB all the time either. The fact that they are competely inconsistent makes me wonder where you go tthe idea that Microsoft had any sort of 'standard' definition of the terms.
[14:32] <_ph00> I didn't
[14:33] <_ph00> you said something about "MS convetions"? and I assumed that MS used the KB=1024B convention
[14:33] <MineHaunter> * 953MiB (not GiB :))
[14:33] <TheSeeker> "we've been talking about 1024 bytes KB's because MS said so all the time" ... could just as easily be said "we've been talking about 1000 bytes KB's because MS said so all the time" because both are true :P
[14:34] <_ph00> well... yes
[14:34] <_ph00> sometimes on the same manual
[14:35] <MineHaunter> Anyway I've been taught that 1KB = 1024B at school...
[14:35] <MineHaunter> But for international standards that's wrong
[14:35] <MineHaunter> because K stands for *10^3
[14:35] <MineHaunter> while Ki stands for *2^10
[14:36] <MineHaunter> so the common use is K = 1024 but the correct way should be to use Ki
[14:36] <MineHaunter> imho anyway, Ki is a lame prefix, I'll still use K for 1024 :P
[14:36] <_ph00> when I was in school, only engineers knew about KB and stuff like that, and when I was done with school, the Commodore64 was *hot*
[14:37] <MineHaunter> lol I've written my first program ever on a c64 :D
[14:37] <MineHaunter> 10 PRINT "WRITE YOUR NAME:"
[14:37] <MineHaunter> 20 INPUT $NAME
[14:37] <MineHaunter> 30 PRINT "YOUR NAME IS " + $NAME
[14:37] <MineHaunter> 40 END
[14:39] <_ph00> yeah
[14:39] <_ph00> I wrote a dog training program
[14:39] <_ph00> 010 PRINT "BAD DOG"
[14:39] <_ph00> 020 GOTO 010
[14:39] <MineHaunter> lool :D
[14:40] <_ph00> (it's an old one...)
[14:40] <_ph00> I *wish* I 'd made that up
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[14:41] <MineHaunter> well my first program was obviously the 10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD" but that doesn't count :)
[14:41] <_ph00> I guess not
[14:41] <_ph00> and I can't code at all
[14:42] <MineHaunter> anyway, anyone tried compiling freenet with gcj?
[14:42] <_ph00> I was trying to learn some python to begin with, but I only learned how to use the python interface as a calculator... some day I'll get back on that
[14:42] <_ph00> (too lazy, that's all)
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[14:51] <_ph00> I guess lucis must be the masculine form of "Lucy", like Andreas and Andrea...
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[15:00] <MineHaunter> LucisFerens looks like "Light Bringer" to me :)
[15:07] <_ph00> it is
[15:08] <_ph00> I was kidding
[15:08] <_ph00> about being the male version of Lucy
[15:08] <_ph00> Light Bearer
[15:08] <toad_> hehe
[15:09] <toad_> another of satan's names then...
[15:09] <toad_> MineHaunter: 20 GOTO 10
[15:09] <_ph00> that was Satan's name before what you would call "the fall" (I'm pretty sure he call it "quitting I job I hate"
[15:09] <toad_> hehe
[15:09] <toad_> yeah, no fun taking orders
[15:11] <toad_> have your nodes auto-updated to 987?
[15:11] <_ph00> I updated manually
[15:11] <toad_> TheSeeker: you rely on stock for income?!
[15:12] <toad_> wikipedia IS right about SI binary multipliers
[15:12] <_ph00> k
[15:14] <toad_> oh and folks ... the international standard for 10^3 is "k" not "K"
[15:14] <_ph00> and what's K then? 1000 dollars?
[15:14] <_ph00> oh, sorry
[15:14] <_ph00> that would be a G
[15:15] <_ph00> (obviously related to the notorious spot)
[15:15] * toad_ sets mode +v LucisFerens
[15:15] <LucisFerens> now, *that* is a tolerant Christian: he gave voice to the devil
[15:16] <toad_> hehe
[15:16] <_ph00> Voltaire was the first to say something like "I don't like what you say but I will fight for your right to say it"
[15:17] <_ph00> that guy was a freenet pioneer
[15:18] * toad_ has heard lots about Voltaire, who was he?
[15:18] <_ph00> a french guy, only smart
[15:18] <_ph00> :P
[15:19] <_ph00> no, really, he was a philosopher, from the 1700's
[15:19] <_ph00> the enlightment era, and stuff
[15:19] <toad_> ahhh
[15:19] <_ph00> I liked those guys, then the 1800's came alngn with their damn 'romanticism', and spoiled everything
[15:20] <_ph00> well... I liked what I read, I wasn't really there
[15:20] <LucisFerens> I was :P
[15:20] <toad_> heh
[15:21] <toad_> say hi to lestat for me
[15:21] <LucisFerens> must switch nick. this one it too... heavy to bear
[15:21] <toad_> hehe
[15:22] <LucisFerens> on the other hand you may have followed me thru some nickswitch, so you should know who the real guy is
[15:22] <LucisFerens> (I mean all of you)
[15:23] <toad_> okay, 987 has been inserted
[15:23] <toad_> did anyone's node auto-update?
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[15:23] <toad_> would some folks please not update for a few hours so they can tell me whether auto-update works?
[15:24] <toad_> it's quite possible that it doesn't, and was fixed by 987...
[15:24] <toad_> so i suppose it's more important with 988 than with 987...
[15:24] <Zothar> I auto-updated to 985 and/or 986 I believe
[15:25] <_ph00> OK. I'll wait for the auto-thingy to (possibly) work when 988 comes
[15:25] <_ph00> is 988 underway already?
[15:26] <toad_> yay 254 unassigned bugs, 125 assigned to me
[15:26] <toad_> _ph00: no
[15:26] <toad_> _ph00: will be a few days, i just put out 987 :)
[15:26] <Zothar> I think some are assigned to you when created just because, even if I don't think that's necessarily efficient to do
[15:26] <_ph00> what happens when we hit 1000? will freenet 0.8 be released then, or will you go for 999.001, 999.002 etc?
[15:26] <toad_> yes, some categories are auto-assigned to me
[15:26] <toad_> _ph00: 1001 :)
[15:27] <_ph00> 1001?
[15:27] <_ph00> well, OK
[15:27] <toad_> you mean build number, right?
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[15:27] <_ph00> after all, it not .9xx
[15:27] <stpeter> hi all
[15:27] <toad_> hi
[15:27] <toad_> you related to LucisFerens?
[15:27] <toad_> i must point out that you're not tor'ed if you are, so you're blown if so...
[15:28] <LucisFerens> no, I'm not him
[15:28] <LucisFerens> dude! I though you figured out who I was right away...
[15:29] <toad_> you gave yourself away when you first started creating satanic alts :)
[15:29] <LucisFerens> but stpeter, there could have done that...
[15:29] <LucisFerens> right
[15:29] <LucisFerens> but I'm not the only one doing that
[15:30] <LucisFerens> you have an asmodeus, an astaroth, etc
[15:30] <toad_> hmmm that's true
[15:30] <toad_> stpeter: you need any help with freenet?
[15:31] <LucisFerens> and anyway, I have nothing against you figuring out who I am, the point is that it's supposed to be non-provable
[15:31] <toad_> hmmm ok
[15:31] <stpeter> toad_: not for now :)
[15:31] * toad_ points out that "beyond reasonable doubt" != "beyond conceivable doubt" - at least not unless you have a very good lawyer!
[15:32] <LucisFerens> well yes
[15:33] <toad_> not that you should be doing illegal things on freenet
[15:33] <LucisFerens> and there aere language analysis techniques that can identify someone by the way he talks/write, which becomes even easier if he/she is not using his or her native language
[15:33] <LucisFerens> I'm not
[15:33] <LucisFerens> well, not *that* illegal
[15:34] <LucisFerens> some copyrighted old ebook would be my worst "crime"
[15:34] <toad_> well if you tell me about that i can't help you :|
[15:35] <toad_> don't pirate ebooks which are still in copyright ... unless there's an overwhelming public interest :)
[15:35] <LucisFerens> well, it *would* be my worst crime if I did that
[15:35] <LucisFerens> but I haven't so far
[15:35] * toad_ won't directly mention a certain american cult formerly lead by a sci-fi writer...
[15:35] <toad_> :)
[15:36] <LucisFerens> I mean, I wouln't consider that so much of a crime, not that Ive beng doing that. and I understand that as a main developer and a public person you have to to stay within the law and away from those who are not, to avoid legal problems
[15:37] <toad_> at the same time as main dev i have to be close to the anonymous community in the interests of making the whole thing work...
[15:37] <toad_> so that's a bit of a tightrope
[15:37] <LucisFerens> oh them, yes... they would sue *anything*
[15:37] <LucisFerens> yes
[15:37] <LucisFerens> I get that
[15:38] <LucisFerens> to make life a bit less difficult for you, the best we can do is not mentioning at all any illegal activity in your presence
[15:38] * toad_ mumbles something about willful blindness
[15:39] <LucisFerens> otherwise you would be "forced" to say 'sdorry, I can't help you'. It's perfectly reasonable
[15:39] <toad_> right
[15:39] <LucisFerens> I suppose you wouldn't help the devil anyway, so what's the difference :P
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[15:43] <LucisFerens> there is no auto flooding-kick-out on #freenet-refs?
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[15:44] <stpeter> does freenet use java serialization?
[15:44] <LucisFerens> maybe there should be. so pople who paste their refs there would get kicked out once and then learn.
[15:56] <droden> stpeter, no.
[16:04] <Zothar> toad_: regarding the following, I think the upper bound is a bad idea because resending packets sooner than normal when the peer is loaded enough to be above 5000ms averagePingTime could just make the problem worst
[16:04] <Zothar> public long fourRTTs() {
[16:04] <Zothar> // FIXME upper bound necessary ?
[16:04] <Zothar> return (long) Math.min(Math.max(500, pn.averagePingTime()*4), 5000);
[16:04] <Zothar> }
[16:05] <toad_> Zothar: yes, but at the time it seemed rather risky not to have an upper bound; and averagePingTime does seem to go crazy sometimes
[16:05] <Zothar> well, 5000ms/4 avgPingTime, but anyway
[16:05] <Zothar> I'm getting "removing ack twice" fairly often and so am trying to track down why
[16:06] <Zothar> I assume acks use fourRTTs() just like everything else does, but haven't checked
[16:06] <toad_> also there _are_ arbitrary timeouts...
[16:06] * toad_ suggests you check
[16:07] <Zothar> so let the arbitrary timeouts favor backoff/disconnect rather than sending the peer more work to do :)
[16:08] <toad_> i dunno
[16:09] <mario69> ok, just for the logs: the CSS problem is with @import statement. Replacing with <link> solves the problem.
[16:09] <toad_> mario69: hmm?
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[16:10] <mario69> toad_, see channel log :)
[16:10] <toad_> mario69: you inlined an @import in HTML, and it doesn't work, but if you do link rel=stylesheet, it does work?
[16:10] <mario69> yup
[16:11] <toad_> why is CIA not working?
[16:11] <toad_> ahh finally
[16:11] <Zothar> the agents were compromised??? :)
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[16:13] <Zothar> cia.navi.cx is timing out HTTP connections, so perhaps the whole thing is down
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[16:28] <TheSeeker> toad_: for the moment, yeah. The place I was working before made and maintained a software product... another company bought the product, but did not hire anyone that was working to keep it going. This was in July. No luck getting another job yet, and savings is all gone ... and I refuse to flip burgers while I have any other option. :P
[16:32] <TheSeeker> anyone know the difference between "store hits" and "cache hits" on the stats page?
[16:33] <Zothar> hits against the store vs hits against the cache?
[16:34] <MineHaunter> I don't have those values on stats page... is it a new feature of 987? :)
[16:34] <toad_> TheSeeker: so the company gave you options or something?
[16:35] <toad_> TheSeeker: store != cache
[16:35] <TheSeeker> toad_: no, this is stock I bought a few years ago to stop myself from wildly spending all of an insurance settlement. :P
[16:35] <toad_> ahhh
[16:35] <toad_> so you're slowly selling it?
[16:36] <TheSeeker> is 'cache' here only locally visible? so the 'hits' there being what we are requestiong from the network but didnt' have to leave our node to find?
[16:36] <toad_> cache stores everything that goes through the node, store stores only inserts which we were the most specialized node for
[16:36] <TheSeeker> toad_: yeah. I'll probably do a transaction in a couple weeks after earnings, then be fine for the next few months (hopefully will get a job by then)
[16:37] <TheSeeker> hmm, so is it normal to have very few (~0%) store hits?
[16:38] <toad_> yes, because the store grows very slowly
[16:38] <toad_> i worry that it grows slower than it should
[16:38] <TheSeeker> # Stored keys: 11,701 (~365 MiB)
[16:38] <TheSeeker> # Store hits: 10 / 2,172 (0%)
[16:39] <toad_> and cache hits?
[16:39] <TheSeeker> # Cached keys: 114,169 (~3.48 GiB)
[16:39] <TheSeeker> # Cache hits: 316 / 2,997 (10%)
[16:39] <TheSeeker> 2.25h uptime.
[16:39] <toad_> hmmm
[16:42] <TheSeeker> where do we calculate how far away a key can be from out location before we put it in the store?
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[16:44] <toad_> good question
[16:45] <TheSeeker> perhaps we should just store everything, and simply push out the data furthest from current location as we gather more than will fit in the store?
[16:45] <toad_> try Node.store(CHKBlock, double)
[16:45] <toad_> no, we can't do that
[16:46] <toad_> because then we end up keeping data that nobody cares about just because it's close to our specialization
[16:48] <TheSeeker> "only inserts cause data to be added to the store."
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[16:49] <iwantnode> Any idears what to do with a corupt datastore
[16:49] <toad_> iwantnode: how is it corrupt?
[16:49] <toad_> iwantnode: does it fail to start up?
[16:49] <toad_> iwantnode: show me the wrapper.log
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[16:49] <iwantnode> i sent u the wrapper.log last night
[16:49] <toad_> ok
[16:50] <toad_> i may have a fix for you
[16:50] <toad_> i just need to test/commit this other quick fix first
[16:50] <iwantnode> k
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[16:53] <iwantnode> Is there a reson why the store is 1 file. I only use fat so it can only be 4gb
[16:53] <toad_> what on earth does that mean?!
[16:53] <TheSeeker> toad_: how about a weighting of LRU based on distance then? when kicking out data, instead of sorting purely by time-since-last-access, sort by (time-since-last-access * distance) ... this would still allow for items that are very close to your specialization to be kicked out
[16:54] <saces> hi.
[16:54] <toad_> TheSeeker: i don't think there's a fundamental problem with what we've got, it should work, oskar agrees
[16:55] <iwantnode> the store on .7 is 1 massive file. Fat32 only allow a max of a 4gb file
[16:55] <toad_> iwantnode: it does? i thought that was fat16
[16:55] <iwantnode> fat32 does as well
[16:55] <toad_> anyway win98 is unmaintained and as such a serious security risk
[16:56] <iwantnode> i still use fat32 on 2000 and xp
[16:56] <toad_> i suppose fat32 still has its uses though e.g. as a filesystem that linux and windows can both deal with efficiently
[16:56] <iwantnode> thats why i use it. I still use dos to access it occasionaly
[16:56] <TheSeeker> If you can't handle filse over 4G, then run multiple nodes.
[16:57] <TheSeeker> or go to linux and don't look back :P
[16:57] <Zothar> toad_: acks are sent immediately without regard to fourRTTs
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[16:58] <toad_> hmmm
[16:58] <toad_> iwantnode: ok, show me the error again please?
[16:59] <iwantnode> hold on
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[16:59] <saces> toad_: i have got your mail (bug or spy). i have tried the 2. or 3. commit after i have send the mail and the peer have connected normal
[16:59] <LucisFerens> if you want to have partitions that are readable and writable by both linux and windows, you don't need fat32: there are ext2 drivers for windows
[17:00] <toad_> free ext2 drivers?
[17:00] <toad_> stable ext2 drivers?
[17:00] <iwantnode> toad_ http://dark-code.bulix.org/h78wqw-19385?raw i think this is the correct bit
[17:00] <toad_> i get some bizarre data corruption when fetching a certain test site ...
[17:01] <toad_> it worked before i restarted
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[17:01] <toad_> iwantnode: doesn't look like it
[17:01] <toad_> iwantnode: what was the subject of the email?
[17:01] <ljn1981> Hey everyone
[17:01] <toad_> jvm 1 | Failed to load node: Could not open datastore: java.io.EOFException (<br>
[17:01] <toad_> 2)
[17:02] <toad_> iwantnode: was it that one?
[17:02] <LucisFerens> I have windows on a small ntfs partition, and linux, plus file storage for both system, on a big ext2 part.
[17:02] <LucisFerens> well, they are free
[17:02] <LucisFerens> I don't know how free-as-in-free speech they are, butr they surely are free-as-in-free-beer
[17:02] <LucisFerens> and, I never had a problem with them so far
[17:02] <LucisFerens> but that dopesn't mean much, I've been using those for some months only, and never tried to screw them up on purpose, for testing
[17:03] <iwantnode> i have not emailed it
[17:03] <toad_> iwantnode: hmmm
[17:03] <CIA-14> toad * r10635 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/Node.java: Debugging
[17:03] <toad_> iwantnode: i saw it somewhere
[17:03] <iwantnode> i set more on dark_code last night
[17:03] <toad_> iwantnode: anyway, get 10635, when it's built, delete your wrapper.log, and then pastebin the whole wrapper.log when it fails to start up
[17:04] <toad_> then tell me
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[17:05] <iwantnode> try this http://dark-code.bulix.org/a5lk36-19386?raw
[17:06] <toad_> iwantnode: ouch
[17:06] <_ph00> cyberdo, looks like I can't connect to you, mpre than 24hrs down
[17:06] <_ph00> more*
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[17:09] <Zothar> toad_: a 986 node just picked up the auto-update for 987 and is updating now...
[17:09] <toad_> Zothar: cool
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[17:10] <iwantnode> u get that toad_
[17:10] <iwantnode> sorry missed you answer
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[17:12] <CIA-14> toad * r10631 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/Version.java: (log message trimmed)
[17:12] <CIA-14> 987:
[17:12] <CIA-14> - Add Indicia to the default bookmarks (as first).
[17:12] <CIA-14> - Priority order is still priority class -> number of retries -> client
[17:12] <CIA-14> round-robin -> request round-robin. But we treat a request with no retries the
[17:12] <CIA-14> same as a request with up to 3 retries. This means that lots of requests which
[17:12] <CIA-14> haven't been tried yet won't block other requests from other clients which need
[17:12] <CIA-14> toad * r10634 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/PeerNode.java: Keep the old unverified tracker if possible.
[17:12] <CIA-14> toad * r10636 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/store/BerkeleyDBFreenetStore.java: Close the Environment if we can't open it.
[17:12] <toad_> iwantnode: get 10636 when it's built, and try with that
[17:13] <iwantnode> k
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[17:14] <CIA-14> toad * r10637 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/filter/ (CSSTokenizerFilter.java CSSTokenizerFilter.jflex): Maybe fix CSS bug.
[17:16] <toad_> iwantnode: it's built now
[17:16] <CIA-14> toad * r10638 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/client/async/ClientGetter.java: Logging
[17:16] <toad_> iwantnode: please try it
[17:17] <toad_> iwantnode: you can get it from downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/
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[17:17] <toad_> get http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/freenet-r10637-snapshot.jar
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[17:19] <iwantnode> ok downloading
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[17:22] <iwantnode> how do i run this jar file
[17:22] <toad_> copy it over your freenet.jar
[17:22] <toad_> remove your wrapper.log
[17:22] <toad_> and restart
[17:23] <iwantnode> k
[17:26] <iwantnode> Sorry did not work the wrapper said http://dark-code.bulix.org/0cav14-19387?raw
[17:28] <toad_> iwantnode: running on windows?
[17:28] <iwantnode> yep 2000
[17:29] <toad_> hmmm that would explain why it can't delete the files
[17:29] <iwantnode> o i see
[17:29] <CIA-14> toad * r10639 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/store/BerkeleyDBFreenetStore.java: Confirm a theory... (logging)
[17:29] <toad_> get 10639 and repeat
[17:30] <iwantnode> k
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[17:32] <iwantnode> sorry still not working do you want the wrapper
[17:32] <toad_> yes i want to see the log
[17:32] <iwantnode> k
[17:33] <iwantnode> http://dark-code.bulix.org/06n0qy-19389?raw
[17:34] <toad_> hmmm
[17:34] <iwantnode> not much this time
[17:34] <toad_> you saved the new jar over freenet.jar ?
[17:34] <toad_> is there a freenet.jar.new?
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[17:34] <iwantnode> yep i did and yes there is a .new
[17:35] <toad_> copy it over the .new as well
[17:35] <toad_> how big is the jar?
[17:35] <iwantnode> 1 k
[17:35] <toad_> i mean the one you downloaded ?
[17:35] <iwantnode> i think i coked up
[17:35] <toad_> :)
[17:36] <CIA-14> bback * r10640 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/ (clients/http/StatisticsToadlet.java node/Node.java): final store size stats
[17:36] * TheSeeker grumbles "I just updated too... "
[17:37] <iwantnode> Sorry still did not work but the wrapper looks better http://dark-code.bulix.org/azehx0-19391
[17:38] <iwantnode> u want me to delete the file manualy
[17:42] <toad_> okay thanks
[17:42] <toad_> that's confirmed my suspicions
[17:42] <toad_> hmmm
[17:42] <toad_> what to do about it though ...
[17:42] <iwantnode> ok will try
[17:42] <toad_> brb
[17:42] <toad_> 2mins
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[17:45] <CIA-14> toad * r10629 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/client/async/SplitFileFetcherSegment.java: Debugging NPE... (transmute it to something else)
[17:45] <CIA-14> toad * r10632 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/PeerNode.java: trivial
[17:46] <iwantnode> toad_ that worked it took about 4 min but now if i goto the index i get error Error: Internal temp files error, maybe disk full or permissions problem?: Not in GZIP format
[17:47] <toad_> iwantnode: what worked?
[17:48] <toad_> iwantnode: it actually starts up?
[17:48] <iwantnode> yep it starts
[17:48] <iwantnode> but i try the bookmark and get the error above
[17:50] <Zothar> toad_: apparently I'm getting the same error iwantnode got when trying to fetch a key just now...
[17:50] <toad_> Zothar: hmmm
[17:50] <toad_> I wonder what I did ...
[17:50] <toad_> have you seen
[17:51] <Zothar> in my case, it's "too many length or distance symbols" though...
[17:51] <toad_> hmmm
[17:51] <toad_> suggests corruption at some point
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[17:51] <toad_> at least i'm only working on one bug now, even if it does look rather bizarre
[17:51] <MineHaunter> I also got some strange errors...
[17:52] <MineHaunter> I got a "Not in archive" error for a file that did exist in that key
[17:52] <MineHaunter> a node restart solved the problem
[17:52] <toad_> hmmm
[17:53] <iwantnode> toad_ do you want to give me anoth page to go to and i will try it
[17:53] <toad_> somebody try fetching http://127.0.0.1:8888/freenet:SSK@~CPXanvjZsJGaKPlq2IZkYEKq4tqbpzAyNU248DDiwM,7MMF4JZ6Q-3zNEQQsoPiMu0YbFuM11x2UW4pkKw7ses,AQABAAE/csszengarden-4/
[17:53] <toad_> do you get the temp files error i just posted?
[17:53] <iwantnode> ok trying you page
[17:54] <Zothar> hmm, csszengarden didn't immediately error...
[17:54] <MineHaunter> I can load that page without errors
[17:54] <iwantnode> sorry i get Error: Internal temp files error, maybe disk full or permissions problem?: incomplete dynamic bit lengths tree
[17:54] <Zothar> but it now gave me incomplete dynamic bit lengths tree
[17:54] <toad_> Zothar / MineHaunter are you running the absolute latest build?
[17:54] <Zothar> r10631 here
[17:55] <MineHaunter> no
[17:55] <MineHaunter> i'll update now
[17:55] <JustMe> Toad: try this one. http://127.0.0.1:8888/freenet:USK@c55vMxUl-T-lD3nv0iOaXF~G1hnY6pOMRbzZSwACMmY,yd8~uwUmGm164-ipStoiBOJVjkbbYXJMlD~H5ftPxIA,AQABAAE/Indicia/33/
[17:57] <JustMe> Freenet 0.7 Build #987 r10640 here
[17:57] <Zothar> now I've got two nodes both returning the same error for Indicia/33/: invalid stored block lengths
[17:57] <toad_> JustMe: that fails too?
[17:57] <JustMe> Yes.
[17:57] <toad_> hmmm interesting
[17:57] <toad_> can you confirm that it works on previous builds?
[17:58] <JustMe> Well...
[17:58] <JustMe> It worked just now...
[17:58] <toad_> so it works, then you reload it, and it doesn't work?
[17:59] <toad_> i mean we have to rule out it being inserted corrupt
[17:59] <JustMe> It didn't the first time... I waited awhile then it worked.
[17:59] * toad_ tries earlier editions
[17:59] <toad_> they all fail
[17:59] <toad_> so it's unlikely to be bad-as-inserted
[17:59] <Zothar> hmm, next attempt from same node returned incomplete dynamic bit lengths tree
[17:59] <Zothar> or corrupted
[18:00] <Zothar> I'm gonna fetching it with r10629
[18:00] <JustMe> http://127.0.0.1:8888/freenet:USK@pDb0lFtQf8jnuIrEKVRy1f6lQpYkujfSMOVnyjB9EWY,iTBYStESgV0BZKlsr4Q24ZBpZwzMzYEahYDBODHiGBc,AQABAAE/3175D13R/13/frost.files.index.htm
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[18:00] <JustMe> seems to fail all the time.
[18:00] <toad_> you know that file was working?
[18:01] <JustMe> It was in the past. I don't know when it started to fail... I can try to find out.
[18:01] <JustMe> wow
[18:01] <JustMe> I just reloaded it and it worked...
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[18:03] <MineHaunter> switched from some 986 to latest, now I'll retry
[18:04] <Zothar> toad_: looks like a problem was possibly introduced in r10629 since r10628 seems to load Indicia/33/ without trouble and r10629 and r10631 didn't seem to want to at all; (maybe coincidence I suppose)
[18:05] <Zothar> same was also true for AnotherIndex/28/
[18:06] <toad_> Zothar: if you can try to narrow it down, that would be really useful
[18:06] <toad_> Zothar: i'm investigating it from the other end at the moment; trying to understand the logs
[18:06] <cyberdo> _ph00: seems like it
[18:06] <Zothar> toad_: narrow it down with in the r10629 diff or make sure that it's introduced in r10629?
[18:06] <cyberdo> it has been up the whola time
[18:07] <toad_> Zothar: i mean narrow it down to a specific commit
[18:07] <Zothar> I'll upgrade from r10628 to r10629 and I suspect it'll break again; we'll see
[18:07] <toad_> "it was introduced in 10629, it didn't happen in 10628"
[18:07] <toad_> Zothar: it definitely works on 10628?
[18:08] <Zothar> toad_: with repeated reloads, it seems to, yes
[18:08] <_ph00> cyberdo, weird. my node 's been up all the time too
[18:08] <_ph00> what should we do? try delete and re-add each other?
[18:08] <toad_> Zothar: so does it fail in 10628?
[18:09] <Zothar> toad_: I haven't seen it fail in 10628 yet; I'm gonna restart and try with 10629 to verify that it indeed fails first attempt there
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[18:09] <_ph00> I guess that the problem is about reconnecting after one of us has been down for a while
[18:09] <cyberdo> _ph00: we are connected
[18:09] <toad_> argh, i found it
[18:10] <Zothar> toad_: hmm, with 10629........mk
[18:10] <_ph00> we are
[18:10] <_ph00> what did you do?
[18:10] <cyberdo> nothing
[18:10] <_ph00> we had been disconneted for a long time...
[18:10] <cyberdo> just wet to the page to look
[18:10] <_ph00> that's even wierder
[18:10] <cyberdo> automagic it the shit
[18:11] <Zothar> the nodes knew you were talking abou them and got their act together pronto :)
[18:11] <Zothar> +t
[18:11] <CIA-14> toad * r10641 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/client/async/SplitFileFetcherSegment.java: Fix my idiotic data corruption bug.
[18:11] <_ph00> we were disconnected for over 24 hrs tho both nodes were up, and now, just when I tell you that we should try to do something about it, we are connected again
[18:11] <toad_> okay, that means i need to push 988 immediatelty
[18:12] <_ph00> bah. The important thing is being connected. next time I'll tell you after one hour or two, so we'll get connected fatster
[18:12] <ljn1981> locChangeSession: 9.602827E-1
[18:12] <ljn1981> swaps: 3
[18:12] <_ph00> oh yeah? then I'll not manually update this time,
[18:13] <ljn1981> In last session i got -0.7something
[18:13] <cyberdo> _ph00: ;o)
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[18:13] <CIA-14> toad * r10642 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/Version.java:
[18:13] <CIA-14> 988:
[18:13] <CIA-14> Fix data corruption bug introduced in 987.
[18:13] <CIA-14> Logging/debugging.
[18:13] <CIA-14> Some work on corrupt datastore recovery.
[18:13] <CIA-14> Fix a CSS bug.
[18:13] <CIA-14> Minor Statistics changes.
[18:14] <Zothar> toad_: was the db actually corrupted or how we used the data corruped since 10641 seems to still fail on Indicia/33/ for me
[18:14] <ljn1981> Something seem to be very wrong with location swapping. This happen almost every session, I go to the opposite end and then next session I got pretty close to back again
[18:15] <CIA-14> toad * r10643 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/node/Version.java: 989: Mandatory on the 13th.
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[18:20] <toad_> ljn1981: why are you using exponential notation even for values that don't need it?
[18:21] * JustMe fires up r10643
[18:21] <toad_> ljn1981: what exactly is "locChangeSession" ?
[18:21] <ljn1981> Didn't think about checking if it was needed when I wrote that code
[18:22] <TheSeeker> Hmm, after several refreshes of indicia 32 and several different warnings given between them, the page finally loaded.
[18:22] <ljn1981> toad_: The distance in positive or negative direction the node have traveled this session through location swapping.
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[18:22] <iwantnode> hi toad_
[18:23] <ljn1981> In relation the location at node start up of course
[18:23] <_ph00> are we gonna party when 1000 is released?
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[18:24] <CIA-14> toad * r10644 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/ (client/async/SplitFileFetcherSegment.java node/Version.java): 990: AAAARGHDOH!
[18:24] * JustMe whoops ;)
[18:24] <toad_> everyone upgrade to 10644 :|
[18:26] <TheSeeker> lucky you the manditory update version didn't get inserted yet ;)
[18:27] <TheSeeker> wow, no "reading store prior to move" on startup that time...
[18:27] <_ph00> toad_ should we upgrade, or wait for the autoupdate does the job as we said before?
[18:27] <_ph00> *to do the job
[18:27] <toad_> upgrade manually
[18:27] * _ph00 upgrades manually
[18:28] <TheSeeker> toad_: indicia 30 and 31 which were still throwing errors no longer do so for me. yay.
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[18:28] <toad_> hmmm
[18:28] <toad_> the other bug, the first one, the CSS bug, isn't fixed ... hmmm
[18:28] * JustMe fires up r10644
[18:28] <toad_> i wasn't able to test it, you see...
[18:28] <TheSeeker> what bug is that?
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[18:29] <toad_> the one that breaks edition 4 of the css zen garden
[18:31] <TheSeeker> hmm, I don't see a link to that on indicia or TPI ... :/
[18:31] <cyberdo> svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/svn/trunk/freenet'
[18:31] <cyberdo> svn: PROPFIND of '/svn/trunk/freenet': SSL negotiation failed: SSL disabled due to library version mismatch (https://emu.freenetproject.org)
[18:31] <cyberdo> uh?
[18:31] <toad_> no, i heard about it from a little bird
[18:31] <toad_> cyberdo: no idea
[18:31] <toad_> cyberdo: does it persist?
[18:32] <cyberdo> toad_: yes... both when doing CO and UP
[18:32] <toad_> a little bird who wanted me to fix the CSS bug it included
[18:32] <toad_> cyberdo: hmmm
[18:32] <toad_> cyberdo: try emailing nextgens
[18:33] <toad_> cyberdo: it does seem to work here
[18:33] <toad_> i mean SVN
[18:33] <toad_> from eclipse
[18:33] <toad_> maybe it's a local problem?
[18:33] <cyberdo> this is from the command prompt... could be library-problems.. I'll try some re-installing
[18:34] <cyberdo> sine noone seems to have had it before, I guess it's local ;o)
[18:34] <toad_> probabyl
[18:35] <LucisFerens> looks like insert speed is getting better: I stared a 110MB at about 10 or 11 AM nd it's already at 24%
[18:36] <TheSeeker> toad_: I take it zen garden is supposed to have a stylesheet?
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[18:36] <toad_> TheSeeker: yes
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[18:37] <Dan354> hello I do not have "full outbound access" I have a max of TEN udp or tcp ports I can specify for outbound access
[18:37] <TheSeeker> so this just isn't doing anything?
[18:37] <TheSeeker> <style type="text/css" media="all">
[18:37] <TheSeeker> @import "/SSK@~CPXanvjZsJGaKPlq2IZkYEKq4tqbpzAyNU248DDiwM,7MMF4JZ6Q-3zNEQQsoPiMu0YbFuM11x2UW4pkKw7ses,AQABAAE/csszengarden-4/sample.css?type=text/css"
[18:37] <TheSeeker> </style>
[18:37] <CIA-14> toad * r10645 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/clients/http/filter/ (CSSTokenizerFilter.java CSSTokenizerFilter.jflex): Really fix the CSS bug (@import's not including the ;).
[18:37] <toad_> TheSeeker: it needs a semicolon
[18:37] <TheSeeker> heh, oops.
[18:37] <toad_> TheSeeker: fetch it with ?type=text/plain to see the original code
[18:37] <toad_> TheSeeker: the filter is removing the semicolon
[18:37] <toad_> and thereby breaking the @import
[18:38] <TheSeeker> ah... @import "sample.css";
[18:38] <Dan354> toad: hello
[18:38] <toad_> Dan354: hello
[18:38] <toad_> Dan354: what can i do for you?
[18:38] <Dan354> toad: can you answer the question above please?
[18:39] <toad_> <Dan354> hello I do not have "full outbound access" I have a max of TEN udp or tcp ports I can specify for outbound access
[18:39] <toad_> that's a question ?
[18:39] <Dan354> toad: I say question lightly it was in fact a statement ;)
[18:39] <toad_> okay
[18:39] <toad_> for freenet to work you need to be able to send UDP packets to more or less any port on more or less any IP address
[18:39] <toad_> and you need to be able to receive UDP packets on the listenPort
[18:40] <toad_> possibly subject to NAT restrictions (e.g. not being able to receive packets from a host:port unless you've sent to it first)
[18:40] <Dan354> so it won't work :(
[18:40] <toad_> it sounds like it yes
[18:40] <Dan354> okay well thanks anyway.
[18:40] <toad_> if they block outbound traffic, you've got a problem
[18:41] <toad_> we randomize our port numbers to make it hard to block freenet traffic ...
[18:41] <toad_> but that does mean if they block everything, you can't easily allow it ... :<
[18:41] <toad_> in the future maybe we'll have a parasitic TCP transport
[18:41] <Dan354> i see. i wonder if I added the ports that my peers have
[18:42]