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[0:03] <SinnerG> hmm /me cooking :p
[0:04] <SinnerG> in the wok :p
[0:04] <SinnerG> spaghetti-saus with chickeun :p
[0:05] <SinnerG> and a bit of olive oil and a paprika and some mushrooms (the normal kind ;p)
[0:05] <SinnerG> and I prepared the chicken a bit
[0:05] <SinnerG> god, I looove wokking :p
[0:05] <TrackR_2> yummy :)
[0:06] <SinnerG> well, I hope it'll be yummy :p
[0:06] <TrackR_2> and ontopic :)
[0:06] <SinnerG> pff ontopic? who cares :p
[0:06] <SinnerG> dead chan if ontopic ;p
[0:06] <TrackR_2> =)
[0:06] <SinnerG> brb
[0:06] <SinnerG> back
[0:07] <SinnerG> I always try to do something new ;p
[0:07] <SinnerG> its first them I try this combo
[0:07] <SinnerG> lets hope its yummy, its my diner for tomorrow (2AM atm here :p)
[0:07] <SinnerG> and my gf gotta eat it too ;p
[0:07] <SinnerG> (I only used half of the stuff in house, so in worst case scenario.. backup plan 1)
[0:07] <SinnerG> backup plan 2 is some bread ;p
[0:10] <toad_> is British Airlines or United Airlines better?
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[0:11] <SinnerG> no idea toad_, I never flew before :p
[0:11] <SinnerG> btw, I took down ifreed.net: happy? :P
[0:11] <toad_> :)
[0:13] <SinnerG> FOOK
[0:13] <SinnerG> the sel holder broke open
[0:13] <SinnerG> grr
[0:13] <SinnerG> gotta safe my food!
[0:13] <SinnerG> *salt
[0:22] <SinnerG> pfff
[0:22] <SinnerG> like ALOT of salt on it
[0:22] <SinnerG> could only save part of my food :(
[0:22] <SinnerG> and still.. fooking salty :s
[0:22] <SinnerG> I washed it 3 times
[0:23] <SinnerG> (didnt add the saus yet)
[0:27] <SinnerG> edit: washed it 4 times
[0:27] <SinnerG> adding other spices to 'overrule' the salt :/
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[0:50] <SinnerG> fyi : whole load of salt around 350-450 ;p
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[1:47] <agsarite> i don't add salt to anything.
[1:48] <agsarite> i don't think i've bought salt, ever.
[1:48] <agsarite> is it really that awesome?
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[2:20] <SinnerG> yeah
[2:20] <SinnerG> its good
[2:20] <SinnerG> if you dont add 2 much ;p
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[2:35] <SinnerG> lol
[2:35] <SinnerG> short split :p
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[4:50] <agsarite> damn, i'm so screwed.
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[4:55] <skorpion--> must've been another pedo accidently posting refs on the inside ;oP
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[6:12] <anacarwin> evening, anybody alive?
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[6:18] <anacarwin> hello.
[6:18] <lokadin> hello
[6:18] <anacarwin> pretty dead tonight
[6:18] <lokadin> i'm just now installing freenet :|, took me the longest time to get around to it
[6:18] <anacarwin> yeah me too
[6:19] <lokadin> well you're here
[6:19] <anacarwin> still trying to get some nodes added
[6:19] <lokadin> some channels don't have live people at this time of night
[6:19] <anacarwin> I guess not
[6:19] <lokadin> here we'll exchange keys, if you want, as soon as i figure out which port to forward
[6:19] <lokadin> brb
[6:21] <lokadin> hmmm
[6:21] <lokadin> i can't find node.listenPort in my configuration page
[6:21] <lokadin> do you happen to know where it's located?
[6:21] <anacarwin> uh, no
[6:22] <anacarwin> let me see
[6:25] <anacarwin> I suspect mine is listening on 37017, but I haven't found node.listenPort or anything
[6:26] <lokadin> yea, i just used netstat to figure it out
[6:29] <lokadin> kk
[6:29] <lokadin> so you want to exchange keys?
[6:29] <anacarwin> sure
[6:29] <lokadin> how do you do this?
[6:29] <lokadin> other channel right?
[6:30] <anacarwin> not that it'll do you much good yet... I haven't got any others but once I do...
[6:30] <anacarwin> umm I don't think we exchange key stuff in any channel
[6:30] <lokadin> yea
[6:30] <lokadin> they just have a link in the topic
[6:30] <anacarwin> there's a little website they pointed to
[6:30] <lokadin> here i'll go find it
[6:30] <anacarwin> http://dark-code.bulix.org/
[6:34] <lokadin> how do you make pastes? ASCII format, private?
[6:34] <anacarwin> sure
[6:34] <anacarwin> or public
[6:34] <anacarwin> then I guess you send the url
[6:35] <anacarwin> here's mine: http://dark-code.bulix.org/fyss2j-19122
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[6:35] <lokadin> http://dark-code.bulix.org/nyjr0y-19121?raw
[6:36] <anacarwin> hmm
[6:36] <anacarwin> uhm
[6:36] <anacarwin> failed to add reference
[6:36] <anacarwin> unable to verify signature
[6:36] <lokadin> hmmm
[6:36] <lokadin> let me repaste public
[6:36] <lokadin> or
[6:36] <lokadin> where did you try to add it?
[6:37] <anacarwin> in the darknet tab on the FCP
[6:37] <lokadin> just go to Darknet
[6:37] <lokadin> then paste URL in url
[6:37] <anacarwin> ok
[6:37] <lokadin> and click add
[6:37] <lokadin> i added you successfully
[6:38] <anacarwin> same error
[6:38] <lokadin> hmmm
[6:38] <lokadin> k i'll repaste public
[6:38] <lokadin> can you see it wheny you open in browser window?
[6:38] <anacarwin> Unable to verify the signature of the given reference (freenet.io.comm.ReferenceSignatureVerificationException: The integrity of the reference has been compromized! (No peer crypto group) (No peer public key)).
[6:39] <anacarwin> yeah I can
[6:40] <lokadin> try this: http://dark-code.bulix.org/oucox0-19123?raw
[6:41] <anacarwin> same error
[6:42] <anacarwin> I see the reference text just fine... it reports everything it tried to add
[6:42] <anacarwin> looks similar to mine, but it doesn't like your signature (I guess it means PGP?)
[6:42] <lokadin> hmmm
[6:42] <lokadin> :(
[6:42] <anacarwin> yeah :/
[6:42] <lokadin> that sux, i dono what to do
[6:42] <anacarwin> me either
[6:43] <lokadin> kk last time:
[6:43] <lokadin> http://dark-code.bulix.org/lkso71-19124?raw
[6:44] <anacarwin> nope
[6:45] <lokadin> :|
[6:45] <anacarwin> bah humbug :(
[6:45] <anacarwin> still doesn't think your sig is valid
[6:45] <lokadin> how do you find it again, go into darknet, click on My Reference?
[6:45] <lokadin> can we continue this convo in #freenet-refs
[6:45] <anacarwin> that should be it
[6:45] <anacarwin> I pasted mine from the text below my reference but it should be the same either way
[6:46] <lokadin> hmmm
[6:46] <lokadin> bah, so just in #freenet-refs
[6:46] <anacarwin> your reference text is missing three lines that mine has
[6:47] <anacarwin> dsaGroup.p .g and .p
[6:47] <lokadin> hmmm one sec
[6:47] <anacarwin> it ends at dsaPubKey.y
[6:49] <lokadin> hmmm kk one sec i'll fix it
[6:52] <lokadin> http://dark-code.bulix.org/8ztjdr-19125?raw
[6:52] <lokadin> k that should work
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[6:53] <lokadin> coi .agsarites.
[6:54] <anacarwin> ok it worked
[6:54] <lokadin> :)!!!
[6:54] <lokadin> .uisai
[6:54] <anacarwin> are you connected to anyone else but me lokadin?
[6:55] <lokadin> one other person /join #freenet-refs
[6:55] <lokadin> and you can add them to
[6:55] <lokadin> how many people you connected to now/
[6:55] <lokadin> ?
[6:56] <anacarwin> me? Just one. Other refs I've added ahven't added me back yet
[6:56] <lokadin> hmmm
[6:56] <anacarwin> erg... why won't it let me join #freenet-refs
[6:57] <lokadin> it's not letting you? what's the mesage? maybe you need to be identified
[6:58] <anacarwin> not giving me a message it just doesn't do anything... *confused* hang on let me see if I can figure this out
[6:58] <lokadin> kk
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[7:02] <Krepta3k> Hey
[7:02] <Krepta3k> For some reason, when I got on the computer today, my node wasn't running. And nothing I do will make it run.
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[7:37] <Krepta3k> anyone talkative?
[7:46] <lokadin> hey
[7:47] <lokadin> well i'm having problems getting it to stop complaining about my ports
[7:47] <lokadin> keeps saying i'm behind a NAT box
[7:47] <lokadin> well i am, but the ports are forwarded
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[7:54] <Krepta3k> mmmmm, your sure you forwarded the udp port to your computer?
[7:55] <lokadin> pretty certain
[7:55] <lokadin> the one that's stated under Node
[7:55] <lokadin> in the configuration
[7:56] <lokadin> mine seems to be 50005, which was actually forwarded always ( i use 50000-54999 for bittorrent... but it's not running now... so
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[9:38] <redivivo> is there any italian here?
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[10:23] <ljn1981> Interesting
[10:25] <ljn1981> Nevermind.
[10:28] <saces> hi.
[10:28] <saces> toad?
[10:30] <saces> or an other ??guru?? around?
[10:32] <ljn1981> I'm not a guru but ask the question, maybe someone can answer it.
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[10:33] <ljn1981> Hey
[10:34] <saces> i get: ??Completed handshake with freenet.node.PeerNode@2c77....a on ip:port - current: null old: null unverified: freenet.node.KeyTracker@4b.. for freenet.node.PeerNode@2c77...@ip:pert@3ac...a bootID: number getName(): name?? every ~10 sec in log, but the peer isn't connected.
[10:35] <saces> only this one, the others seems working normal.
[10:35] <ljn1981> Haven't noticed that one beefore, guess you do need a guru :P
[10:37] <saces> <g>
[10:38] <saces> ljn1981: do you have tested the filesharing on cvs-frost to?
[10:38] <ljn1981> No
[10:38] <toad_> hmmm
[10:38] <toad_> every 10 sec is wasteful
[10:40] <saces> i think, after completed handshake he should be shown as connectet, but it isn't.
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[10:57] <toad_> not if he's TOO OLD
[10:57] <toad_> or TOO NEW
[10:57] <toad_> is he?
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[10:59] <nextgens> hi
[10:59] <nextgens> toad_> I'm still experiencing problems inserting :/
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[11:00] <toad_> nextgens: i've seen the metadata bug on an insert
[11:00] <toad_> nextgens: i'm grepping for it
[11:00] <nextgens> cool
[11:00] <toad_> but i can in any case replicate it using GetCHKOnly=true (probably)
[11:00] <nextgens> :)
[11:00] <saces> he is shown as 985
[11:01] <toad_> saces: well that's very odd
[11:01] * nextgens updates emu
[11:01] <toad_> saces: set log level to minor (or freenet.node:MINOR in the detailed thresholds list), let it run for 5 minutes, and send me the log with a bug report via email
[11:06] <saces> 5 minutes becomes to large for mail mail account :(
[11:10] <TheSeeker> even the gzipped log in the logs folder?
[11:11] <saces> yes. i have a 5 mb limit.
[11:19] <saces> which e-mail adress?
[11:22] <toad_> toad at amphibian.dyndns.org
[11:24] <saces> on the way.
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[11:27] <ossa_> g
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[11:30] <ljn1981> Nice. USK@c55vMxUl-T-lD3nv0iOaXF%7eG1hnY6pOMRbzZSwACMmY%2cyd8%7euwUmGm164-ipStoiBOJVjkbbYXJMlD%7eH5ftPxIA%2cAQABAAE/WeThePeople/2/
[11:33] <saces> Expected a freenet key, but got USK@c55vMxUl-T-lD3nv0iOaXF%7eG1hnY6pOMRbzZSwACMmY%2cyd8%7euwUmGm164-ipStoiBOJVjkbbYXJMlD%7eH5ftPxIA%2cAQABAAE/WeThePeople/2/
[11:36] <ljn1981> duh
[11:36] <ljn1981> USK@c55vMxUl-T-lD3nv0iOaXF%7eG1hnY6pOMRbzZSwACMmY%2cyd8%7euwUmGm164-ipStoiBOJVjkbbYXJMlD%7eH5ftPxIA%2cAQABAAE/WeThePeople/2/
[11:37] <ljn1981> Copied directly from the frost message I opened it just fine from.
[11:38] <MineHaunter> Maybe you have to remove the character escaping like %2c %7
[11:38] <ljn1981> On the sites board. "New Site: Papers written by a bunch of old dead guys."
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[11:39] <MineHaunter> try this: USK@c55vMxUl-T-lD3nv0iOaXF~G1hnY6pOMRbzZSwACMmY,yd8~uwUmGm164-ipStoiBOJVjkbbYXJMlD~H5ftPxIA,AQABAAE/WeThePeople/2/
[11:41] <nextgens> ljn1981> recall me to do the same with the french one :)
[11:42] <ljn1981> nextgens: Mail yourself or something
[11:43] <saces> this works, MineHaunter. but who has misurl en/decoded? my box, gaim or fproxy?
[11:44] <ljn1981> The guy posting it I guess
[11:44] <ljn1981> I wonder why it doesn't complain here.
[11:44] <MineHaunter> If you paste it as a fproxy url it does work
[11:44] <ljn1981> r10597 on latest firefox
[11:44] <MineHaunter> like http://localhost:8888/key
[11:44] <ljn1981> That's what I did
[11:45] <saces> ah. i have pastet the urlencoded thin (with %xx in) an he did the % again.
[11:45] <MineHaunter> because fproxy strips decodes the url, like any web server
[11:45] <ljn1981> So it only complain if you use the fetch key field?
[11:45] <MineHaunter> I think so
[11:46] <MineHaunter> I know for sure FCP does complain
[11:46] <saces> ljn: yes. the browser url box is ok.
[11:46] <ljn1981> toad_, nex Shouldn't those two ways work exactly the same?
[11:46] <ljn1981> toad_, nextgens: Shouldn't those two ways work exactly the same?
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[11:51] <MineHaunter> I know what's wrong :)
[11:52] <MineHaunter> When you fetch a key using the "fetch key" box, it gets url-encoded again (with %xx)
[11:52] <MineHaunter> so, when fproxy afterwards decodes the string, it only does one decode pass (as it should be)
[11:52] <MineHaunter> so the resulting string is still encoded
[11:54] <saces> somthing like if key.contains("%") do not urlencode... can somone point me the file? welcomToadled i think?
[11:55] <MineHaunter> it is the browser who encodes the string prior to sending it to fproxy
[11:56] <MineHaunter> the only solution could be forcing a second decode pass on the key if it still contains %xx after the first pass
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[12:11] <toad_> ljn1981: what if there really are %'s in the key?
[12:12] <toad_> if you just do 127.0.0.1:8888/<key with %'s in it>, it'll work
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[12:14] <CIA-5> toad * r10598 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/client/ (Metadata.java async/SingleFileInserter.java): Fix the MetadataNotResolvedException when inserting large (multi-level; ~15M+) splitfiles with filenames.
[12:15] <MineHaunter> toad_: % are not valid key chars, are they?
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[12:21] <_ph00> OK, I'm up & running again
[12:21] <_ph00> phew
[12:21] <_ph00> now, who were my peers?
[12:21] <_ph00> who wants to reconnect
[12:21] <_ph00> (on freenet-refs for that
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[12:31] <_ph00> toad araound?
[12:31] <_ph00> around*
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[12:40] <_ph00> toad_ you got mail
[13:12] <sleon> hi
[13:12] <sleon> i have a file called pdf.php
[13:12] <sleon> it generates pdf file and then browser should download it
[13:12] <sleon> then the downloaded file is called pdf.php
[13:12] <sleon> what can i do that the downloaded file is called differently ?
[13:13] <sleon> can i pass a different filename to a browser ?
[13:14] <sbc> sleon: Maby you can do some sort of redirect to the resulting file with a right name? Else join #php ? :)
[13:18] <MineHaunter> sleon: you should use the "Content-Disposition: attachment" header field
[13:18] <MineHaunter> it has a filename parameter
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[13:25] <ad234118> is it possible to run freenet on windows without running it as a service?
[13:28] <Zothar_Work> ad234118: I believe it is yes, it's just not an option the installer supports I believe
[13:29] <ad234118> Zothar_Work do you know how i start it?
[13:29] <Zothar_Work> IIRC, the wrapper.conf file contains a few comments that hint about doing so
[13:29] <ad234118> I'll have a read there
[13:29] <Zothar_Work> ad234118: you could install it manually or you could install it, copy the files and then uninstall it; then just run it from the copied files
[13:30] <Zothar_Work> oh, to start it, you'd use run.cmd I believe
[13:30] <ad234118> there isn't a run.cmd anymore is there?
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[13:35] <Zothar_Work> did you not copy it or something? maybe a start.cmd? It's been a long while since I've run a node one Windows
[13:35] <ad234118> I found start.cmd but it just calls net start to fire up the service
[13:36] <ad234118> I'm running vista RC1 and they've changed something about the installation of a service which freenet can't handle as yet
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[13:44] <Zothar_Work> look at the Wiki for the instructions for installing Freenet manually on Linux and there's a command line you should be able to use to call java directly. There might be something in the wiki about using Freenet without a service on Windows if you're lucky. If not, you can add something once you sort it out... :)
[13:45] <ad234118> thanks Zothar_Work thats a good suggestions
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[13:58] <SinnerG> hmm next time advise to right-click the cmd and select 'run as administrator'
[13:58] <SinnerG> I use vista RC1 also ;)
[14:14] <Caco_Patane> [OT] anyone knows a channel in this server to discuss about Music Filesharing?
[14:14] <Caco_Patane> [OT] a local newspaper published an article saying that music filesharing programs are ilegal
[14:15] <Caco_Patane> [OT] i want to mail them and spread that this is a misinformation. the eff channel is empty.
[14:15] <ljn1981> Hah
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[14:26] <TuomasT> How is freenet today in terms of usability?
[14:37] <toad_> TuomasT: apart from the pseudo-darknet problem, not bad
[14:38] <toad_> TuomasT: it's a bit slow, especially for inserts, and there's still no real searching, but the main problem is that you need to add node references manually; either you connect to people you know who run nodes (ideally), or you get some noderefs from #freenet-refs (at much greater risk)
[14:39] <toad_> brb
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[14:41] <TuomasT> Last time I tried it was about 1-2 years ago, and then it was a daily updated developer network not really usable for anything. I guess there has been some improvement in 0.7 in that regard.
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[14:45] <_ph00> caco_patane: around?
[14:46] <ljn1981> TuomasT: It's still updated quite often but for most things it hardly effect the network in bad ways.
[14:46] <_ph00> ljn1981: around?
[14:46] <ljn1981> And it's a lot speedier than it were then
[14:46] <saces> toad: im just running costum(latest), the peer is connected after one try. and a (quick'n'dirty?) change for the double-urlencode problem http://dark-code.bulix.org/it8xud-19152
[14:46] <ljn1981> _ph00: No! *hides*
[14:46] <ljn1981> Hehe
[14:46] <_ph00> heh
[14:46] <_ph00> you wanna peer again?
[14:46] <ljn1981> _ph00: sure why not
[14:48] <_ph00> ljn k. check your pvt mssgs
[14:51] <_ph00> toad_ around?
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[15:14] <_ph00> noggly, paveq: wanna peer? (answer in pvt plz)
[15:16] <tyx-> hay itz likvidy
[15:16] <Likvidy> indeed
[15:20] <_ph00> sinnerg howzi goin' with the supernode? still up?
[15:20] <Caco_Patane> _ph00 hi
[15:22] <_ph00> hola caco
[15:22] <_ph00> gonna send pvt msg
[15:28] <toad_> rehi folks
[15:28] <toad_> i just got paid yay
[15:28] <ljn1981> wb
[15:28] <ljn1981> YAY
[15:29] <toad_> MineHaunter: i think they are
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[15:32] <toad_> saces: but what if there's a real % in a url?
[15:32] <SinnerG> no
[15:32] <SinnerG> its gone :p
[15:33] <toad_> saces: you can only run it through once, because there might be a real %
[15:33] <saces> can't. % is the escape charachter for url.
[15:33] <toad_> yes, and % itself can be escaped
[15:33] <toad_> thus you can have %'s in filenames - you just have to escape them
[15:34] <toad_> the filename part is very tolerant in freenet
[15:34] <toad_> you can e.g. include foreign chars directly
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[15:35] <saces> so only the 'real key' part should be treaded and leave the filename part as is.
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[15:38] <saces> allow windows % in filenames?
[15:39] <toad_> saces: how about this: if it starts with ((CHK)|(SSK)|(KSK)|(USK))%40 then urldecode the whole thing once ?
[15:39] <toad_> (at the fproxy level)
[15:39] <toad_> where %40 = urlencoded "@"
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[15:41] <saces> no. this was the problem key, starting with SSK@: (13:30:52) ljn1981: Nice. USK@c55vMxUl-T-lD3nv0iOaXF%7eG1hnY6pOMRbzZSwACMmY%2cyd8%7euwUmGm164-ipStoiBOJVjkbbYXJMlD%7eH5ftPxIA%2cAQABAAE/WeThePeople/2/
[15:41] <toad_> hmmm
[15:41] <toad_> that's bad
[15:41] <toad_> maybe you can pick up % encoding's before the first slash then?
[15:42] <toad_> might have to exclude KSKs as KSKs won't contain a slash in any case
[15:42] <saces> does fproxy insert the filename to?
[15:42] <toad_> in any case, looping until there are no more %'s is bad
[15:42] <toad_> saces: hmmm?
[15:42] <saces> the new one, for chk.
[15:43] <toad_> saces: if you insert a file with a non-empty TargetFilename, or if it can pick it up from the URI or the filename, it makes a manifest to put the filename in
[15:45] <saces> done via fproxy-insert or need i a client app?
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[15:54] <_ph00> anonymouse: wanna peer agian?
[15:57] <saces> hm. just inserted with fproxy: CHK@tkZnMng8YFcec0lsOqHbxDZifmmccuOMvZaFaybBa6A,gJ-AO10dhI5KiTqWK~IyLSnI5LJIdw5SQGQlNX-S5IM,AAEC--8/test%escape.sh
[15:57] <saces> without the filename fproxy tells me 'File not in archive'
[16:03] <_ph00> where are all my peers? I got only three of them re-added so far
[16:04] <_ph00> well, some new peers would do as fine
[16:05] <_ph00> (see me on #freenet-refs
[16:05] <_ph00> )
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[16:08] <saces> copy & pasting around, i got a %2525252540. funny
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[16:11] <Secrets> I must be getting soft in the head
[16:11] <Secrets> I signed up for this Freenet thingie
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[16:11] <Secrets> with the idea that it would provide anonymity, or, at least, 'plausible deniability'
[16:12] <Secrets> I started running Frost
[16:12] <Secrets> added a board 'Controversy'
[16:12] <Secrets> next time I look in my Frost folder, I see a sub-folder marked 'Controversy'
[16:12] <Secrets> good thing I didn't add any of the incriminating boards
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[16:16] <MineHaunter> Secrets: freenet provides you with anonimity related to connection and content sharing/retrieval
[16:16] <MineHaunter> Secrets: it does not encrypt your hard disk.
[16:17] <sleon> MineHaunter: thx
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[16:19] <Secrets> right, most of my stuff is encrypted, although I do find it odd that the Frost program would leave such obvious traces in one's folder structure
[16:20] <Secrets> perhaps it should just number the keypool folders
[16:21] <Secrets> you know, like all the senseless numbered folders that Micro$oft leaves on disk
[16:23] <saces> thats may be the difference: frost haven't senseless folders :)
[16:23] <anonymouse> Secrets the general idea, I think, is that there are already disk encryption solutions out there which work great
[16:23] <anonymouse> why re-create that in the application layer
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[16:31] <Secrets> I get your point, anon
[16:32] <Secrets> I don't use whole disk encryption, I only encrypt those files that I don't want anyone else to read
[16:32] <Secrets> not everyone uses encryrption, so I didn't see the point in having such incriminating folders in an app
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[16:36] <sbc> Secrets: If you get in trouble for having a folder called 'controversy', odds are good that a folder called 'frost' or 'freenet' might also get you in trouble. Encrypt all things freenet related if you worry about stuff like folder names.
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[16:41] <Secrets> ok, thanks sbc
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[16:42] <Secrets> I don't believe I would get in trouble for having a folder called 'controversy', but I sure would have, had I been inclined to add some of the other 'controversial' boards
[16:46] <tyx-> 'infantrapebabysexomg' folders would be more worrisome
[16:48] <Secrets> I should think so
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[17:02] <toad_> what's the % escape for % ?
[17:02] <_ph00> I know, I should ask about that on #freenet-refs, the problem is that I don't want to connect to complete strangers, so I'm asking here again: I've had a major problem and I lost all my freenet stuff, now I'm up and running again but I've reconnected to only three of my old peers, so please, those of you who have been hanging around here long enough to know me and want peer with me, if you run a 24/7 node (or an 'almost-24/7 node) plz message me in
[17:02] <_ph00> pvt for ref exchanging, thx
[17:03] <saces> 25
[17:03] <toad_> Secrets: the problem is simply that if you can decrypt it so can anyone else
[17:04] <toad_> Secrets: scrambling the folder names is therefore of no value unless you keep the encryption key on removeable media (or in your head)
[17:04] <saces> the loop with while (k.contains("%25")) { is may be we way.
[17:04] <toad_> tyx-: i hope that freenet is used for more positive things than that occasionally!
[17:04] <tyx-> indeed
[17:05] <tyx-> of course, with any type of 'lawless' system, theres going to be things people dislike
[17:05] <Secrets> ok toad, I get it now (I'm a bit slow on the uptake)
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[17:05] <Wilitus> ???????????????????????????????
[17:05] <Wilitus> ???????????????????????????????
[17:05] <Wilitus> ???????????????????????????????
[17:05] <Wilitus> ???????????????????????????????
[17:05] <Wilitus> ???????????????????????????????
[17:06] <tyx-> Wilitus: you fail
[17:06] <Wilitus> win
[17:07] <toad_> Wilitus: what?
[17:07] <toad_> Wilitus: can we do something for you?
[17:07] <toad_> Wilitus: are you having problems with freenet?
[17:07] <toad_> Wilitus: do you want to talk about freenet?
[17:07] <Wilitus> o.o
[17:07] <Wilitus> Ive never seen a more helpful op
[17:07] <Wilitus> :D
[17:07] <toad_> well it's carrot and stick :)
[17:07] <toad_> and we have quite a few ops here
[17:08] <sleon> :)
[17:08] <Wilitus> Nope, no problems, nothing you can do or talk about.
[17:08] <toad_> "tell me what you want and we'll try to help you. spam us and we'll kick you so hard you'll smash into many small pieces." :)
[17:08] <tyx-> ignore Wilitus. he is some 4chan kiddo from another network i know
[17:08] <Wilitus> :D
[17:08] <tyx-> he is just trolling
[17:08] <tyx-> <3
[17:16] <Secrets> toad_, do you by any chance have a few minutes to chat in private?
[17:17] <toad_> Secrets: msg me
[17:17] <Secrets> k
[17:17] <toad_> Secrets: /msg nickserv help identify
[17:18] <Secrets> I've been away from IRC for a very long time, I've forgotten how to do all that stuff
[17:20] <Zothar_Work> Secrets: BTW, only encrypting the "sensative" files may make it easier for "them" to know what to concentrate their cryptonalysis on
[17:22] <toad_> Secrets: you need to register with nickserv to be able to send privmsg's
[17:22] <Jase> toad_, seems like my freenet is crashing every couple of hours: http://dark-code.bulix.org/y4dktv-19169
[17:22] <Jase> is it a known problem?
[17:23] <Secrets> thanks, Zothar. I'll have to re-evaluate my encryption policies. I may have to switch to TrueCrypt, or something like that
[17:23] <Secrets> I'm using PGP now, which I understand is unbreakable
[17:25] <Zothar_Work> Secrets: given enough time and resources, no encryption is perfect
[17:25] <toad_> Jase: hmmm
[17:25] <toad_> Jase: what are your memory settings in your wrapper.conf ?
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[17:26] <Jase> toad_, apparently started after autoupdate to 979
[17:27] <Jase> let me check the settings
[17:28] <Jase> http://dark-code.bulix.org/s4j1pj-19170
[17:28] <Jase> that's my wrapper.cong
[17:28] <Jase> conf*
[17:29] <Jase> toad_, actually the error is different with 979.. I'll zip my logs and put them somewhere?
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[17:31] <toad_> Jase: you got many things (uploads, downloads) queued?
[17:31] <toad_> Jase: many queued things = much memory usage; increase your memory limits
[17:32] <Jase> toad_, none
[17:32] <Jase> freenet is taking 130mt memory at the moment
[17:32] <toad_> Jase: hmmm
[17:32] <toad_> Jase: try increasing it anyway
[17:33] <Jase> last night it was taking well over 200
[17:33] <toad_> well, increase the maximum from 128 to say 192
[17:33] <Jase> ok
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[17:35] <Jase> I'll get back to you if works or not
[17:35] <Secrets> ok, thanks, Zothar
[17:35] <Secrets> bbib
[17:35] <Secrets> bbiab
[17:35] * nextgens test toad's latest fix
[17:35] <toad_> sanity: hi
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[17:45] <saces> toad: this is a little bit better: enrolls the %25 thingy AND allows my testinsert: http://dark-code.bulix.org/258lit-19171
[17:47] <saces> testkey: CHK@tkZnMng8YFcec0lsOqHbxDZifmmccuOMvZaFaybBa6A,gJ-AO10dhI5KiTqWK~IyLSnI5LJIdw5SQGQlNX-S5IM,AAEC--8/test%escape.sh
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[17:56] <tyx-> http://www.openp2p.com/p2p/2000/11/21/images.jpg
[17:56] <tyx-> lewl
[17:56] <toad_> saces: %25?
[17:57] <toad_> saces: all you need really is to check whether it has a % in it before the first /
[17:57] <toad_> and if so, decode it, once
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[18:00] <saces> i cant find the /. it was due my copy&pasting encoded to.
[18:01] <toad_> just use indexOf(...)
[18:02] <toad_> if indexOf('/') > indexOf('%') ...
[18:02] <toad_> i.e. if there's a % before the first /
[18:02] <toad_> then decode
[18:02] <sleon> toad_: are you giving java classes ?
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[18:03] <sleon> toad_: can i be you puiple ?
[18:03] <sleon> s/you/your/
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[18:05] <saces> hm. this work if the / is encoded to (%2f)?
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[18:14] <saces> while copy&pasting different stuff i have seen a %25252f to. really funny.
[18:22] <toad_> saces: okay, so if the % is before the /, or if there is a % but no / at all
[18:22] <toad_> saces: and the key isn't a KSK
[18:22] <toad_> saces: something like that?
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[18:26] <saces> yes.
[18:28] <toad_> saces: cool
[18:34] <Caco_Patane> a local newspaper published an article saying that p2p is illegal!
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[18:42] <CIA-5> toad * r10599 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/ (13 files in 5 dirs): EarlyEncode option.
[18:44] * nextgens isn't convinced that early encode is a good idea
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[18:48] <MineHaunter> what's EarlyEncode option?
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[19:13] <_ph00> darth vader turned gay?!?
[19:13] <_ph00> http://craphound.com/images/hellovader.jpg
[19:13] <_ph00> </ot>
[19:16] <Secrets> I need help
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[19:16] <tyx> hm, im pretty sure i registered this nick, but i can't remember
[19:16] <ljn1981> MineHaunter: Without having read the patch I belive it's for getting the key for an insert before it's done so people can start downloading it sooner.
[19:16] <Secrets> I'm trying to install the Freesite Insertion Wizard
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[19:17] <MineHaunter> ty
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[19:18] <Secrets> can anyone help?
[19:18] <ljn1981> Secrets: If you are trying to use it with 0.7 it won't work, we have jsite for that, it should have been installed with your node, and the console interface and a few commandline tools
[19:18] <Secrets> ouch
[19:18] <Secrets> ok, lemme check
[19:18] <ljn1981> jsite require java 1.5/5
[19:19] <ljn1981> it's the easiest way to insert things but the other methods are acceptable too.
[19:19] <Secrets> ok, call me stupid, but I don't know which java I have
[19:19] <Secrets> it came installed on the Win xp machine
[19:20] <ljn1981> start menu>run>cmd>java -version
[19:20] <ljn1981> That should tell you
[19:21] <Secrets> I've got 1.4.2 i think
[19:21] <ljn1981> If you use jsite remember the container stuff doesn't work, the node do some of it itself but the stuff for it in jsite will only mess things up.
[19:21] <ljn1981> Ok
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[19:22] <ljn1981> then the easiest option for inserting sites is TMCI(the console interface)
[19:22] <Secrets> it's 1.4.2
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[19:22] <Secrets> how do I get at TMCI
[19:22] <Raj_> hi all
[19:22] <ljn1981> If you just want to insert single files you want thaw which should also have been installed with the node
[19:22] <Raj_> i have just started using freenet
[19:23] <Raj_> just wanted to know what is this?
[19:23] <ljn1981> Secrets: in a cmd type telnet localhost:2323
[19:23] <Raj_> where can i browse for contents
[19:23] <ljn1981> Possibly with a space instead of the :
[19:23] <Secrets> ok, I'll try that
[19:23] <ljn1981> If it works you should get a list of commands
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[19:24] <Secrets> ok, I've got a cmd up with tmci>
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[19:24] <ljn1981> Type MAKESSK
[19:24] <Secrets> ljn1981, should we go private?
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[19:25] <Secrets> ok, done
[19:25] <ljn1981> Nah it's good enough here and we're almost done unless you need clarifications
[19:25] <Secrets> ok
[19:26] <Secrets> I am using freenet .7 would you recommend using .5 or staying with .7?
[19:27] <Secrets> (I was hoping to get to the 'freedom engine')
[19:28] <Secrets> ok, what do I do next after makessk?
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[19:28] <ljn1981> Ok you see the PUTSSK line it produced? Copy that whole line, replace testsite with the nam you want the site to have and replace directoryToUpload with the path to the directory containing the files you want to insert, press enter and everything in that dir will be iserted
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[19:31] <ljn1981> About getting to TFE, it's not on 0.7 but we have other good indices here.
[19:33] <ljn1981> USK@c55vMxUl-T-lD3nv0iOaXF~G1hnY6pOMRbzZSwACMmY,yd8~uwUmGm164-ipStoiBOJVjkbbYXJMlD~H5ftPxIA,AQABAAE/Indicia/32/ and USK@e4TEIN5l1nkn6kjl63XBgYTYobmwGvtnyK2YW0b0ajo,hv-2~OfetXkb0FhDuPxorWIf0wXeZKPEfdIhwyh-mhk,AQABAAE/AnotherIndex/28/ are the best ones so far.
[19:33] <Secrets> I guess I've got some reading to do. I'm not getting any of this...
[19:34] <Secrets> I just got onto Freenet a couple of days ago
[19:34] <Secrets> and this is all new to me
[19:34] <ljn1981> It can all be a bit scary at first
[19:34] <Secrets> scary isn't the word for it
[19:35] <Secrets> I've been playing with DOS since the early days, and thought I understood these machines, but I guess I've gotten a little behind the learning curve
[19:35] <ljn1981> http://wiki.freenetproject.org
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[19:35] <Dan354> hi
[19:35] <Secrets> I'll take another look. Thanks for your time and patience
[19:35] <Toast> Hi
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[19:35] <ljn1981> The wiki got some info but it might not all be up to date but it was all written for 0.7
[19:36] <Raj_> lin can you please help me
[19:36] <Secrets> ok. I tried reading some of that stuff, but it's mostly gobbldygook to someone not intimately familiar with how the Internut works
[19:36] <Secrets> I'll take a look
[19:36] <Dan354> question: are there any preferable outgoing ports to open for freenet? or suggested amount of them?
[19:37] <Raj_> ljn1981 please help me
[19:37] <Raj_> i wnat to know from where i can access this darknet
[19:38] <Raj_> is there any particular site
[19:38] <Raj_> i am using freenet 0.7
[19:39] <ljn1981> Raj_: What do you mean? What do you wish to do?
[19:39] <Raj_> i have just joined the darknet using this free net
[19:39] <Raj_> but don't know what to do net
[19:40] <Raj_> my internet traffice bar is showing full traffic and i am getting slow response for browsing
[19:40] <Raj_> is it because of freenet
[19:41] <ljn1981> Likely
[19:41] <Raj_> i am not really accessing anything where as it showing continuous traffic
[19:41] <Raj_> will it harm me?
[19:41] <ljn1981> How fast is your conection and what did you set the limit to in the instalation? If you didn't change it it's set to 15Kbps
[19:42] <Raj_> i got 256kbps
[19:42] <Raj_> it's ADSL
[19:42] <Raj_> yes it's 15kbps
[19:43] <Raj_> should i reduce it?
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[19:47] <toad_> Dan354: outgoing ports?
[19:47] <toad_> Dan354: your node needs to be able to connect to any IP on any port
[19:47] <toad_> Dan354: *incoming* , you need to open the listenPort for UDP, and that's it
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[19:50] <readraj> /msg nickserv link <RAJ> <readraj>
[19:50] <toad_> nextgens: EarlyEncode is useful for testing if for nothing else
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[20:02] <CIA-5> mrogers * r10600 /trunk/apps/load-balancing-sims/phase6/ (MessageHandler.java Sim.java messages/Message.java): Slightly less broken Kleinberg networks (thanks Toad)
[20:18] <tyx> mm. red wine, brushcetta and pizza for dinner
[20:20] <CIA-5> jflesch * r10601 /trunk/apps/Thaw/src/thaw/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Fix index key creations / downloads
[20:24] <TheSeeker> toad: Would it be possible to map the current darknet while keeping anonyminty by doing the following: starting N minutes before the time of collection, lock swapping. At the time of collection, insert a FIN with a subject that indicates the time of collection and body that contains your own location and the locations of your connected peers to a particular keyed board that is used for collecting stats.
[20:29] <TheSeeker> If the node were to do this every hour or two and use GMT as the time for the title of the message, then all the posts from a particular time could be agregated and mapped. It would be slightly incomplete, given that some messages would probably collide and get lost, but both sides of a connecton would have to get lost for a particular link to go unmapped...
[20:33] <TheSeeker> This would allow sims to use actual 'current darknet' data as opposed to ideal kleinburg setups. state of connection, such as backoff, or other stats like amount of data transferred could be added to the stat dump as well. bandwidth limits of each node would be very useful, but could make certain individual nodes trackable across reporting periods...
[20:33] <Dan354> toad: my (university) firewall blocks all ports except you can specify 10 holes (or for a range of ten holes counts as 2 holes)
[20:33] <TheSeeker> I suppose ubernodes would be trackable across reportings too, since they have so many connections...
[20:37] <TheSeeker> ubernodes probably aren't very concerned about their anonymity though, considering they run a well-publicised node :P
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[20:50] <toad_> Dan354: outgoing or incoming?
[20:51] <toad_> TheSeeker: why not just spy on actual swaps?
[20:51] <toad_> TheSeeker: it's reasonablee to assume that the currennt darknet has problems...
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[20:58] <Toast> Cool... Making progress with my server. Hopefully I will have it ready to install freenet on soon.
[20:59] <tyx> is there any way to make frost list things in EST rather than GMT time
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[21:05] <Dan354> toad: outgoing I think. this is the write up about it: http://dark-code.bulix.org/m23w2l-19192
[21:06] <Dan354> so it won't work?
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[21:13] <Griffon26> can anyone give me a link to a popular freesite? Looks like I can't fetch anything at the moment.
[21:14] <investigator> griffon, in the homepage, you can click on bookmarks, and you'll find some links there
[21:14] <Griffon26> I know.. they don't work. Was hoping one of you had another popular site
[21:15] <investigator> sorry, that's the only ones I know about
[21:16] <investigator> This Freenet thing is driving me nuts! (and it's a short drive). I read the FAQ, and it says I can shut down Freenet using the system tray bunny. There isn't one. Also, it says I can prevent Freenet from starting up by going to the Service Manager. Service Manager? never heard of it.
[21:18] <Griffon26> investigator: right-click on my computer, click manage, then there must be some list of services there somewhere (iirc)
[21:18] <investigator> This is what it says, "Go to the Service Manager, select the Freenet service, open the contextual menu and select Property. Then change the start type."
[21:19] <investigator> what Service Manager are they talking about?
[21:20] <Griffon26> investigator: see screenshot here: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=93716
[21:20] <investigator> k
[21:20] <investigator> thanks
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[21:20] * Griffon26 is die-hard linux user ;-P
[21:22] <investigator> that FAQ must be talking about a MAC. I'm using Windoze
[21:22] <Griffon26> it's not
[21:22] <Griffon26> it shows you how to get to the list of services
[21:22] <Griffon26> it just happens to be about an ipod related service
[21:22] <investigator> oic
[21:23] <investigator> I'm going to have to do some exploring
[21:23] <investigator> brb
[21:23] <Griffon26> investigator: i think that list of services is what they call the service manager
[21:24] <Griffon26> so follow the ipod page upto that list and then switch to freenet instructions
[21:24] <investigator> k
[21:24] <investigator> brb
[21:28] <investigator> ok, I found it, Griffon. It's in the msconfig utility
[21:28] <investigator> thanks for your help
[21:28] <Griffon26> ?
[21:28] <investigator> I just never had to go there before
[21:28] <Griffon26> you mean it's a different thing that the list I showed you?
[21:28] <investigator> in order to get to services, you have to run Msconfig
[21:28] <investigator> a little
[21:28] <Griffon26> s/that/than/
[21:29] <investigator> one sec brb
[21:29] <Griffon26> does it _look_ different?
[21:29] <investigator> it sure does
[21:29] <investigator> brb
[21:29] <Griffon26> k
[21:29] * Griffon26 = outta here
[21:30] <investigator> thanks, Griffon
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[21:43] <TheSeeker> toad: 1) because spying on actual swaps only gives you nodes that pass swap requests through your own node 2) if you construct a map based on swaps seen over time the results may be very inaccurate, as nodes you have 'seen' before may swap again without you knowing, messing up later swap results where they are 'seen' again.
[21:44] <TheSeeker> By having the nodes report their locations and their peers' locations at a particular isntant in time, a (near) complete map of the network can be reliably produced
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[21:52] <tyx> i don't suppose any of you know anything about cats health
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[22:05] <toad_> TheSeeker: you'd have to include the node identity as well as the node location, because you need an anchor that doesn't change
[22:06] <Dan354> toad! does this mean it won't work?
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[22:15] <toad_> Dan354: depends what a "firewall hole" is
[22:17] <toad_> Dan354: if it's full outbound access, that's fine... you need support for UDP hole punching, or a UDP port forward
[22:18] <toad_> Griffon26: if you can't get to the Darknet Index, there's something seriously wrong
[22:18] <toad_> investigator: services in Control Panel
[22:20] <investigator> toad_ I found it, thanks
[22:21] <investigator> btw: I had wanted to access one of the pages that only seems to be available in Freenet .5, does anyone recommend using .5?
[22:22] <toad_> investigator: not particularly :)
[22:22] <investigator> ok, thanks
[22:22] <toad_> investigator: but you can run both
[22:22] <toad_> investigator: also i'm biased
[22:22] <investigator> I just wondered how secure .5 is
[22:23] <investigator> can you run both at the same time?
[22:23] <toad_> yes you can run both at the same time
[22:24] <toad_> 0.5's security is different to 0.7's
[22:24] <investigator> the homepage says for security to run the latest java, and I'm using 1.4.2, should I be upgrading?
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[22:24] <toad_> investigator: i dunno
[22:24] <investigator> ok, thanks
[22:24] <toad_> investigator: 1.5 is better for speed and it lets you run lots of recent stuff
[22:24] <investigator> ok
[22:24] <toad_> investigator: like the STUN plugin, and jSite
[22:24] <toad_> investigator: so yes i'd recommend 1.5
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[22:24] <investigator> thanks
[22:25] <investigator> gotta run, dinner bell
[22:25] <investigator> brb
[22:25] <toad_> cya
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[22:40] <Dam|> freenet gurus, I have a deadicted server running freenet on a 10Mpbs connection. Is there anyway I can increase the bandwidth I allocate to freenet and what would be the best setting?
[22:46] <MineHaunter> dedicated to what? :P
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[22:47] <Dam|> deadicated to doing what ever I tell it to do :)
[22:48] <MineHaunter> :)
[22:48] <MineHaunter> you should go to the config page
[22:49] <MineHaunter> and set the input and output bandwidth limit
[22:49] <Dam|> for a 10Mpbs connection, what would be reasonable?
[22:50] <toad_> 1M in each maybe?
[22:50] <MineHaunter> if you use the connection for freenet only, 1M should be ok :)
[22:50] <MineHaunter> if it's true 10Mbps
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[22:50] <Dam|> it's not shared :)
[22:50] <Dam|> will other nodes cope tho? I have some backing off quite a bit
[22:51] <MineHaunter> I think you should increase the number of peers too
[22:52] <MineHaunter> maybe 100 peers could be fine for such a connection
[22:52] <MineHaunter> correct me toad_ :)
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[22:53] <Dam|> it would be nice to find other large servers to peer too
[22:53] <Dam|> the orgy of data ;)
[22:54] <MineHaunter> try to ask on #freenet-refs for fast nodes
[22:54] <MineHaunter> but I think having two fast nodes isn't better than having 20 slow nodes
[22:54] <MineHaunter> 'cause 20 peers mean you're better connected to the network
[22:55] <Dam|> my rationel is that a number of fast nodes together with spurs of small slower nodes will create a good network?
[22:56] <MineHaunter> yes, this is true
[22:56] <Dam|> i feel a little project comming on
[22:57] <Dam|> or at least a freepage
[22:57] <toad_> MineHaunter: well, you may want to connect to many nodes
[22:57] <toad_> MineHaunter: but we need the network not to rely on ubernodes; and they have no reason to trust you
[22:58] <Dam|> humm... ic... this is going against the cudos of freenet, ubernodes controling traffic / connections ...etc
[22:59] <SinnerG> I'm trying an ebil road for php :p
[22:59] <SinnerG> stuff like Namespace::Using('DNS'); DNS()->listZones(); ;p
[22:59] <SinnerG> or even ebil'r => DNS()->Zones()->list(); :P
[23:00] <SinnerG> but I think they use that in java also no?
[23:00] <SinnerG> but then it would more be like DNS()->getZoneObj()->list()
[23:02] * Dam| ducks down while that whooshes overhead
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[23:37] <tyx> fuck. i've been sitting here since 10am playing with freenet
[23:37] <tyx> maybe i should go do something
[23:38] <PraiseChaos> Go play with Freenet on another machine.
[23:38] <tyx> :p
[23:38] <tyx> i think ill finish this bottle of rum and go walk around my hood for a bit
[23:39] <tyx> i need get active before it gets too dark
[23:39] <PraiseChaos> Or you can make a freesite.
[23:39] <Dam|> call a friend and introduce them to freenet
[23:41] <tyx> ah, its raining. i guess im staying in.
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[23:54] <tyx> oh noes, im out of rum
[23:55] <TheSeeker> toad_: If everyone is sending the data at specific point in time, then time becomes the anchor. The idea is to map the layout of the network, not track all nodes as they swap. Accurate topology mapping of the exusting network is what I was going for, and thought could be done almost completely anonymously. unless there wouldn't be additional anonymity concerns with ising IDs also/instead, I wouldn't want to do it that way.
[23:56] <TheSeeker> IF it doesn't post a greater anonymity threat, then knowing both the topology and the characteristics of nodes arriving, departing and swapping over time would be pretty interesting.
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