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[0:00] <agsarite> yeah, the wildcard should expand to the files, in asciibetical order.
[0:00] <_ph00> (I'm noticin another recurring spelling mistake, now I'm skipping H's quite often...)
[0:01] <_ph00> that sounds fairly easy...
[0:01] <_ph00> OK I'l try that
[0:01] <_ph00> but if someone had the file upoaded to a torrent site, that would be nice anyway
[0:02] <_ph00> (I can still download it from freenet as well, just to make it go around a bit more)
[0:03] <agsarite> i might be mistaken, but it appears to be up on the pirate bay.
[0:03] <_ph00> oh yeah?
[0:03] <_ph00> gonna check that out
[0:03] <_ph00> thx
[0:04] <_ph00> btw is there any way to skip pasting all those keys one by one?
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[0:04] <agsarite> thaw will accept multiple keys at once if thats what you mean
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[0:06] <_ph00> yeah, that
[0:07] <_ph00> just copy all of that and paste?
[0:07] * _ph00 tries
[0:07] <agsarite> "when people let a movie change thier opinion, they are truely ignorant, sorry, but you can't believe anything you see in movies today. Anthing can be manipulated just like a lot of sad fools today."
[0:07] <agsarite> how sad.
[0:08] <agsarite> when you let anything change your opinion, you're a no good flip flopper. changing your opinion to accommodate new facts is for sissies.
[0:08] <_ph00> some of those people who write comments on tpb are so stupid I'm almost ashamed to be a memeber of the same rece
[0:09] <_ph00> I would rather say that keeping your opinion despite new fact that justify an opinion change is for solid-bone skulled ppl
[0:10] <_ph00> another recursive spelling mistake sitching a's and e's
[0:10] <_ph00> switching*
[0:11] <agsarite> that's okay, i didn't even notice until you pointed it out.
[0:12] <agsarite> when i type stuff, i sometimes omit or duplicate entire words.
[0:12] <_ph00> yes, I know that ppl understand what I mean but knowning how to spell and doing it wrong anyway is kind of annoying
[0:13] <_ph00> thaw acceped one big copy-paste from the frost msg with all the bush-keys
[0:14] <agsarite> Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
[0:14] <_ph00> and that no-opinion-change guy is so stupid that I'm amazed he can read and write (but maybe he ws dictatinig)
[0:14] <_ph00> yeah
[0:14] <_ph00> I know that
[0:17] <_ph00> the theory is that you don't actually read every word, more like looking at the word's "shape", the way they read asian charactters
[0:17] <_ph00> ?!?
[0:17] <_ph00> that bush download is going FAST!
[0:18] <_ph00> some files are already done, and some 35% of all files are aound 50%
[0:18] <_ph00> (the others still at 0)
[0:19] <_ph00> maybe breaking it down in pieces wasn't so dumb after all
[0:19] <_ph00> AAAHHHH....
[0:19] <_ph00> now I get it....
[0:19] <_ph00> some of the files are very small (duh)
[0:23] <agsarite> where is the key list for those files, anyway?
[0:25] <agsarite> nevermind
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[0:36] <_ph00> you found it?
[0:36] <_ph00> sorry I didn't see the msg before
[0:37] <agsarite> I think i see all the keys.
[0:39] <_ph00> k
[0:40] <_ph00> looks like it's fetching fast, for an 800MB file
[0:41] <_ph00> almost 900
[0:41] <_ph00> actually, it's going faster than bittorrent
[0:41] * _ph00 checks his input/output rate
[0:41] <agsarite> i don't believe you.
[0:42] <agsarite> its probably cached or some crazy thing like that.
[0:42] <agsarite> if not, i'll eat my had
[0:42] <agsarite> hat
[0:42] <_ph00> of course, you have an hat made out of bread for such occasions...
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[0:43] <agsarite> i'd make one, but i have no flour.
[0:43] <_ph00> because it *is* fetching faster than bittorrent
[0:43] <_ph00> you don't need flous, use already-baked bread
[0:43] <agsarite> you can't trust someone else to make the stuff that'll keep you alive!
[0:43] <_ph00> or get some toasts, glue them togheter with some scrambled egg and cook in a pan
[0:44] <_ph00> then you should grow your own cereals, frut, vegetabbles, farm animals etc
[0:45] <_ph00> (which is exactly what I'll be doing in some years if the world keeps going the way it's going)
[0:45] <agsarite> i should, but growing a garden he would be, like difficult.
[0:45] <_ph00> move to hill cabin, and don't see anyone anymore
[0:45] <_ph00> ever
[0:45] <agsarite> unless i get some of them lamps here and try to grow them inside.
[0:45] <_ph00> anyways
[0:46] <agsarite> i wonder what someone would think if they saw me growing a bunch of plants in here with a ton of artificial light.
[0:46] <agsarite> OMG DRUGS IM CALLIN THE COPS!
[0:46] <_ph00> bittorrent is downloading very slowly right now, but you know how that is, it can do some serous catch-up in a few minutes if it gets some good peers
[0:47] <_ph00> who said drugs? you were talking about flowers right?
[0:47] <_ph00> oh I get it
[0:47] <_ph00> "they" would say that
[0:47] <_ph00> so maybe
[0:48] <_ph00> you could grow tomatoes etc, wait for the cops, show the tomatoes, and when it's well extabilished that you grow your own vegetables and you don't do anything illegal, and verybody knows that...
[0:48] <agsarite> brilliant.
[0:48] <_ph00> HEN you can grow whatever you want...
[0:48] <agsarite> i like your thinking.
[0:48] <_ph00> T
[0:49] <_ph00> that basic strategic thinking
[0:49] <_ph00> you don't need to be napoleon to think like that
[0:49] <JustMe> That's after they break down the front door etc.....
[0:49] <_ph00> yeah
[0:49] <_ph00> after they break the front dor and find the tomatoes
[0:50] <JustMe> LOL
[0:50] <agsarite> damn, now i want a green house.
[0:50] <_ph00> you sue the city and get a big fat refound for the door, for being treated like a criminal in front of everyone, for the shok that kept you awake for threee nights after that (doctor's statement and all)
[0:51] <_ph00> then you can grow your pot, your poppy and your shrooms
[0:53] <agsarite> apparently The World According To Bush.mpg.000 isn't part of the original file. . . why the heck is it there then?
[0:53] <_ph00> to "glue" the other ones together AFAIU
[0:54] <_ph00> that should be some kind of "map" file or something
[0:54] <agsarite> its not listed in the bat file, i think if you try to include it it would make it completely unplayable, seeing as it would be where the files header is supposed to be.
[0:54] <_ph00> hm
[0:54] <_ph00> then I wont
[0:55] <_ph00> I'll try to run that line without the 000 file
[0:57] <_ph00> bit torrent is still stuck at 0.1, while freenet is something short of 40% on average. get an hat and some salt
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[0:58] <_ph00> less than 40%... maybe 20. BT could sticll catch up
[0:58] <agsarite> i'd rather eat my hat without salt.
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[0:59] <_ph00> you won't need to, probably. BT got a seeder and another couple of peers
[0:59] <agsarite> lucky me.
[1:00] <agsarite> i didn't really want to buy me a hat just so i could eat it.
[1:00] <agsarite> although that would offer me the advantage of being able to find a small tasty looking hat.
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[1:01] <_ph00> I heard that in England you can actually buy edible hats, someone invented those becuse of the old english saying "I'll eat my hat"
[1:01] <_ph00> but I never actually saw one of those
[1:02] <_ph00> on the other hands, if they invented edible underwear, why not hats...
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[1:03] <_ph00> see? that's another recursive mistake thing: I often skip the final S's when needed, and sometimes I add some not-needed ones
[1:03] <_ph00> bah
[1:03] <_ph00> I'm lucky I'm not in school any more
[1:03] <_ph00> (and yes, I was terrible at studying and stuff)
[1:04] <agsarite> in school, tests aren't generally taken over irc channels.
[1:04] <agsarite> you can correct your mistakes :)
[1:04] <agsarite> hmm, , , i'm going to need to patent taking tests over irc channels, now.
[1:05] <_ph00> patents?
[1:05] <_ph00> you taritor!
[1:05] <_ph00> traitor
[1:05] <_ph00> "taritor" lol
[1:05] <_ph00> patents are for greedy ppl
[1:05] <_ph00> you should give your invention to the world
[1:05] <_ph00> (yeah, righht)
[1:06] <agsarite> i was just testing you to see your reaction. . . . that'll be 29 cents, please.
[1:06] <_ph00> you got the change for 1000?
[1:06] <_ph00> justme_ still there?
[1:06] <agsarite> no, i guess i'll let it slide this time.
[1:07] <_ph00> I retried to open that page, and I got it this time
[1:08] <agsarite> okay, i need to, like, write something useful today.
[1:08] <_ph00> Old Southern Gospel music by The Statesmen Quartet: the gayestGospel singers *ever*
[1:08] <_ph00> http://127.0.0.1:8888/freenet:USK@5zEKX7Uic5sHHH550Ll8t4tjXzp0AFULR9PpJM5vtNE,jTsYBmJswg6tvVWvzVq4jiSsIFnvH2XTG1GULrjE80o,AQABAAE/The_Statesmen_Quartet/1/
[1:09] <_ph00> look at the picture
[1:09] <toad_> hehe
[1:09] <_ph00> there's even a dude called Rosie
[1:09] <toad_> gay gospel ... hmmm, contradictio in terminis? sadly not...
[1:09] <_ph00> (if that's a woman, she's the gayest woman ever)
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[1:10] <_ph00> actually, I don't think Jesus ever said anything about being gay. All the Cristian prejudice against gays is grounded in the Old Testament
[1:10] <_ph00> (IF I remember correctly)
[1:11] <_ph00> and the old (or ancient or whatever) testament was "abolished" by Jesus, AFAIk
[1:11] <agsarite> jesus was awesome.
[1:11] <_ph00> but maybe I got that wrong
[1:11] <agsarite> oh, wait, toad is here.
[1:11] <agsarite> i can't talk about jesus.
[1:12] <_ph00> yeah, jesus was cool, but today's "Christian" churches have nothing to do with jesus any more
[1:12] <JustMe> Poor old Rosie LOL.
[1:12] <_ph00> (I know, I already said that)
[1:12] <_ph00> is that rosie a man or woman or what else?
[1:12] <JustMe> LOL he was a man.
[1:13] <agsarite> lol, past tense.
[1:13] <_ph00> I see five gus, one obviously gay (look at the glasses) and the other ones just a bit less gay
[1:13] <toad_> heheeheheheeheheehhehe
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[1:13] <JustMe> Hahahahha
[1:13] <toad_> glasses = gay? hmmm
[1:13] <_ph00> a trans?
[1:13] <JustMe> Well....geag now.
[1:13] <_ph00> "those" glasses = gay
[1:14] <JustMe> Well....dead now.
[1:14] <_ph00> the guy on the left
[1:14] <toad_> _ph00: the *ceremonial* and *sacrificial* law of the OT was abolished by jesus
[1:14] <toad_> and the criminal law is no longer criminal law as the kingdom of god is not a nation, and we're taught not to expect our standards of unbelievers
[1:14] <_ph00> so Ron Hubbard and his "Operating Thetans" is pure busshit?
[1:14] <_ph00> bullshit
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[1:15] <toad_> _ph00: OT-8 accuses jesus of pederasty
[1:15] <toad_> so i'm bound to say it's bullshit
[1:15] <_ph00> WHAT?!?
[1:15] <_ph00> now, that's bit too much even for an hardcore atheist
[1:15] <toad_> that's what i heard ... read it sometime, then you can argue with me
[1:15] <toad_> well islam denies the crucifiction
[1:15] <toad_> but yes, calling jesus a paedophile goes a bit far
[1:16] <toad_> it's what i'd expect from Hubbard though :|
[1:16] <_ph00> the crucifixion was not only recorded in the gospels, I read a number of Latin classics where that is mentiooned
[1:16] <toad_> right
[1:16] <toad_> nobody really denies the crucifiction
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[1:16] <_ph00> and Islam is bullshit from the start on, beginning with callign mohammed a prophet
[1:17] <toad_> well yeah the thing about "religion is a matter of conscience" at the beginning, and then later on, forcing people to convert as he conquered cities
[1:17] <toad_> but i haven't investigated that properly and MrNaz is welcome to contradict me
[1:17] <JustMe> Carefull ph00 you do like your head don't you?
[1:18] <JustMe> ;)
[1:18] <_ph00> I can have hard time believing that the guy walked away after beiong dead for three days, but nobody should doubt that a guy called jesus, son of joseph, was crucified in the first century, that poved enough for me
[1:18] <_ph00> proved
[1:18] <toad_> _ph00: sure
[1:18] <toad_> i have no problem with "if jesus rose from the dead that would be a miracle"
[1:18] <toad_> :)
[1:19] <_ph00> justme_ what? should I be afraid of some brainwashed full-of-shit morons?
[1:19] <_ph00> to hell with them
[1:19] <toad_> hehe
[1:19] <JustMe> lol
[1:19] <toad_> western secularist: islam is intolerant. muslim extremist: you're too damn right! splat!
[1:20] <_ph00> I'm gonna see them in hell, as if *one* of all religion is true, no matter which one, we'll all go there
[1:20] <toad_> i don't follow
[1:20] <_ph00> if one religion is true, all those who don't follow that religion will go to hell, right
[1:21] <toad_> okay ...
[1:21] <_ph00> now, we have hundred of religions, (coiunting each branch of christianity, islam etc as one separate religion)
[1:21] <toad_> sure, and they are mutually contradictory
[1:21] <_ph00> so the odds of me and 99% of all muslim getting all together to a big hell party is fairly high
[1:21] <toad_> => they cannot all be true at once
[1:22] <toad_> well maybe ... most branches of e.g. christianity are at least somewhat tolerant of other branches thereof
[1:22] <_ph00> they *could* be "chunks" of the same one truth, seen thru different "cultural colored glasses"
[1:22] <_ph00> (I think it's basically bullshit, but for the sake of the argument...)
[1:22] <toad_> they are; a false religion is a little truth and a lot of bullshit
[1:23] <toad_> and perhaps some charismatic speakers, and a lot of money
[1:23] <JustMe> amen
[1:23] <_ph00> the islam thing goes like this, for me: Islam recognize Jesus as a prophet, Jesus himself said several times "after me false prophet will come", ergo, Mohammed *can??'t* be a real prophet
[1:24] <_ph00> false prophetS, plural
[1:24] <_ph00> I'm pretty sure I did read that
[1:24] <toad_> right, islam has to deny the gospels, change what jesus said, in order to claim him as a prophet
[1:24] <toad_> so do buddhism and hinduism
[1:25] <toad_> although it's conceivable that hinduism would accept the resurrection ? but not its implications ...
[1:25] <_ph00> so mohammed can't be a prophet, and someone claiming to be a prophet and calling for war against the "infidels", must be at least some devil-possessed guy
[1:25] <_ph00> (ah... if I was the pope...)
[1:25] <toad_> either that or the gospels were inaccurate
[1:25] <toad_> i don't believe that but that's what mohammed would say
[1:26] <toad_> every major religion has to deal with the jesus problem
[1:26] <toad_> most of them try to assimilate him
[1:26] <_ph00> the gospels must be inaccurate at least on one point: resurrection. and maybe another two or three (fish and breads, water to wine) but I would accept that jesus said that as "highly possible"
[1:26] <toad_> but yes if you believe the gospels that makes mohammed some demon-possessed false prophet, this is straightforward
[1:27] <toad_> heeh
[1:27] <toad_> _ph00: if they are inaccurate on the most important and radical claim (and yet consistent on it across multiple early accounts and intertextuality), why would they be accurate in his lesser sayings?
[1:28] <toad_> you can't argue that because they agree they must be accurate
[1:28] <toad_> you could maybe argue that "only jesus could have said that" ...?
[1:28] <_ph00> so, christianity assumes that the gospel are right, the gospels basically states that mohammed is an agent of satan (or even an incarnation), therefore all these "let's talk to each other" bullshit must end, and a brand new "nukular" crusade is the only possible way
[1:29] <toad_> not really
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[1:29] <toad_> christianity is a little more subtle than that
[1:29] <toad_> even if parts of islam aren't
[1:29] <_ph00> you can't possibly try to negotiate with satan, you must destroy him
[1:29] <toad_> well sure
[1:29] <toad_> but that doesn't mean you must destroy everyone satan has used and enslaved
[1:29] <toad_> what you must do is destroy satan by removing those people from his dominion
[1:29] <_ph00> see... that's why I'm an atheist, if I was a christian I would be rather fundamentalist
[1:30] <_ph00> (the real reason is that I don't believe in god)
[1:30] <toad_> oh?
[1:30] <toad_> ah
[1:30] <toad_> yeah not believing in god does make you an atheist :)
[1:30] <toad_> maybe we should take this to #freenet-chat
[1:31] <_ph00> maybe we should, even if the channel is almost deserted
[1:31] <_ph00> ppl read logs
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[2:01] <rtb> hello i am new and need references
[2:03] <anonymouse> rtb: #freenet-refs
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[2:47] <CIA-5> ian * r10585 /trunk/website/pages/people.php:
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[3:29] <scar> where can i define a hostname so when my IP changes my node can still be found?
[3:29] <agsarite> toad_, something freenet related: how do i tell the node i want it to stop a request with persistance=connection?
[3:31] <toad_> agsarite: you can't
[3:31] <toad_> agsarite: sever the connection :)
[3:31] <agsarite> but it's being shared by 150 or so other requests.
[3:31] <agsarite> am i supposed to have a unique connection for each one?
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[3:32] <wave231> anyone want to swap http://dark-code.bulix.org/dn3nt4-18728?raw
[3:33] <agsarite> go to #freenet-refs
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[3:39] <MrNaz> _ph00 / toad_ hehe i just scrolled up and read your discussions earlier... if you guys are here i have a few points of clarification if you're interested
[3:39] <toad_> MrNaz: #freenet-chat
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[3:47] <agsarite> is clicking 'plain text' here a bug? http://localhost:8888/freenet:KSK@frost%7Cmessage%7Cnews%7C2006.9.26-sites-4.xml
[3:50] <JustMe> You can't even force it to save to disk.
[3:51] <JustMe> URI parse error
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[4:21] <Eol> been awhile since i have been on .. good deal @ gilmore
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[4:33] <Eol> ??? @telnet port
[4:33] <Eol> are we allowing telnet to freenet now and how is it disabled?
[4:34] <Eol> also TMCI ==?
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[4:47] <fooisyou> .
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[5:40] <agsarite> don't you just hate it when programs do exactly what they're supposed to when you're watching them and trying to figure out why they don't work?
[5:44] <agsarite> they're like children, really. always behaving when they know their guardian is watching them.
[5:46] <Ebru_Labadon> freenet restarted itself, error line:
[5:46] <Ebru_Labadon> ERROR | wrapper | 2006/09/30 07:41:56 | JVM appears hung: Timed out waiting for signal from JVM.
[5:46] <Ebru_Labadon> ERROR | wrapper | 2006/09/30 07:41:56 | JVM did not exit on request, terminated
[5:46] <Ebru_Labadon> [then started again]
[5:47] <Ebru_Labadon> I had thaw runnig with a fairly long download queue and a 2-file upload queue
[5:49] <Ebru_Labadon> after thios self restart, I'm having serious slowdowns on all running apps and 100% CPU usage
[5:51] <Ebru_Labadon> Freenet 0.7 Build #984 r10584, on debian
[5:56] <agsarite> well, 609 successful downloads in a row from freenet. i suppose that means it's working. or i'm really unlucky.
[5:59] <Ebru_Labadon> CPU usage is back to normal nd slodowns are gon, took some 4-5 minutes after that spontaneous restart
[5:59] <Ebru_Labadon> and I should type more slownly
[6:02] <cybersol> http://dark-code.bulix.org/r4w5j4-18723
[6:02] <Ebru_Labadon> ?
[6:02] <Ebru_Labadon> refs?
[6:02] <Ebru_Labadon> #freenet-refs
[6:02] <cybersol> aw #### wrong winder
[6:02] <cybersol> sorry
[6:02] <Ebru_Labadon> adn plz add 'raw at the end of your line
[6:03] <Ebru_Labadon> ?raw
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[6:21] <agsarite> hmm. . . . seems to have died on attempt 775
[6:22] <agsarite> no idea why
[6:27] <agsarite> my thread responsible for communication with the node seems to be running okay.
[6:27] <agsarite> it looks like the node for some reason has forgotten all about the request i sent it.
[6:27] <Ebru_Labadon> it did that again
[6:27] <Ebru_Labadon> ERROR | wrapper | 2006/09/30 08:26:01 | JVM appears hung: Timed out waiting for signal from JVM.
[6:27] <Ebru_Labadon> ERROR | wrapper | 2006/09/30 08:26:01 | JVM did not exit on request, terminated
[6:28] <Ebru_Labadon> nothin logged between ending of the previous startup and the new error
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[6:41] <agsarite> is there any chance of freenet forgetting about a request i sent it?
[6:43] <agsarite> or, is there any way for me to get freenet to dump a list of currently pending requests?
[6:45] <agsarite> ... i'll just restart my node and see if my program can coerce it into cooperating after it has forgotten everything i told it previously.
[6:46] <agsarite> well, my node seems to have noticed the broken connection.
[6:47] <agsarite> and now it and the node are communicating happily again.
[6:47] <agsarite> err, my program.
[6:51] <Ebru_Labadon> ...and again
[6:51] <Ebru_Labadon> ERROR | wrapper | 2006/09/30 08:49:50 | JVM appears hung: Timed out waiting for signal from JVM.
[6:51] <Ebru_Labadon> ERROR | wrapper | 2006/09/30 08:49:50 | JVM did not exit on request, terminated
[6:52] <Ebru_Labadon> wtf is wrong with this thing?
[6:52] <agsarite> it's cursed, that's what it is.
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[7:07] <agsarite> damn, it died again on request 838.
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[7:10] <agsarite> damn, i think i see a pattern here.
[7:25] <fooisyou> i know that tor is banned right now, but does the server support SSL?
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[7:30] <Ebru_Labadon> I'm here, I'm on tor, and I've got voice :P
[7:31] <Ebru_Labadon> he's gone. ok, whatever.
[7:32] <Ebru_Labadon> maybe "she"'s gone (userneme "scarlet")
[7:32] <Ebru_Labadon> (whatever 2)
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[7:41] <agsarite> well, i've devised an amazingly awesome theory as to why the node seems to forget that i exist, and filed a bug report.
[7:42] <agsarite> now i just need to hope that 1) my theory is correct, and 2) somebody fixes it.
[7:43] <agsarite> . . . because for some reason i'm afraid of reading freenets code and don't want to try to fix it myself.
[7:44] <agsarite> actually, the real reason is i have no idea where to look. which is odd, because the code seems to be nicely organized.
[7:46] <Ebru_Labadon> gotta go
[7:46] <Ebru_Labadon> cyal8r
[7:57] <TheSeeker> I found out why nextgens' flog was never rendering for me. the css was never loading, and never timing out... and firefox was never reading anything past the line to include the css while rendering, even if I aborted the page load...
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[8:32] <agsarite> so. . . what about suicide? you've peaked my curiosity.
[8:33] <ArchHagios> lol
[8:33] <ArchHagios> Well, old story
[8:33] <ArchHagios> about 5 6 years ago
[8:33] <ArchHagios> I just took files from the rusted hdd
[8:33] <ArchHagios> installed mIRC again but kept the config
[8:34] <ArchHagios> so that was the away mode :)
[8:34] <agsarite> awesome story.
[8:35] <agsarite> a little anticlimactic at the end, but awesome none the less.
[8:35] <ArchHagios> and about suicide
[8:35] <ArchHagios> it was because I used to play TFC
[8:35] <ArchHagios> with a 56k
[8:36] <ArchHagios> so I used to take the Technician, hold the EMP and jump on people
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[8:37] <agsarite> you don't say.
[8:37] <agsarite> no idea what TFC is.
[8:37] <agsarite> i'll assume an FPS of some kind.
[8:38] <agsarite> hmm, the words team fortress jumped into my head.
[8:38] <agsarite> what would the c be fore then?
[8:38] <ArchHagios> classic
[8:38] <ArchHagios> Team Fortress Classic
[8:38] <ArchHagios> half-life mod
[8:39] <agsarite> ya learn something new every day.
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[9:00] <ljn1981_> <agsarite> breaking it into pieces in the first place was kind of dumb of the guy. do you have the pieces? <----- Read that he did it to get it to upload at all because he started before we got resumable uploads.
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[9:01] <agsarite> you didn't say 'Morning'
[9:01] <agsarite> you're not the real ljn1981_!
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[9:18] <vextr> versions above 981 seem very unstable to me. Constant restarts.
[9:20] <vextr> I used to see uptimes of days.. no restarts unless I explicitly restarted. Last few times I've checked uptimes have been < 1hr. :(
[9:20] <ljn1981_> <agsarite> hmm, , , i'm going to need to patent taking tests over irc channels, now.
[9:20] <ljn1981_> <_ph00> patents?
[9:20] <ljn1981_> <_ph00> you taritor!
[9:20] <ljn1981_> Well it would be good to patent it and then give licenses out for free to anyone. Otherwise someone less kind would propably do it and charge for licenses.
[9:21] <ljn1981_> So it make sense as log as we have patent systems.
[9:21] <ljn1981_> I hope we get rid of those soon.
[9:22] <agsarite> you seem to be assuming i'm a kind person.
[9:22] <agsarite> what kind of an assumption is that?
[9:30] <ljn1981_> True
[9:30] <ljn1981_> Maybe I should have pastet a few more lines
[9:31] <ljn1981_> <agsarite> you didn't say 'Morning'
[9:31] <ljn1981_> <agsarite> you're not the real ljn1981_!
[9:31] <ljn1981_> Hehe, moring :P
[9:32] <agsarite> i totally tried to jip ph00 out of 29 cents.
[9:32] <agsarite> i'm so evil.
[9:34] <ljn1981_> vextr: What revision? r105what?
[9:35] <vextr> Freenet 0.7 Build #984 r10577:10581M
[9:35] <vextr> Freenet-ext Build #6 r10078
[9:35] <vextr> 981 seemed fine.
[9:37] <ljn1981_> Weird
[9:38] <ljn1981_> I'm on r10584 and I just checked the commit log, nothing significant since r10581 and my uptime is 10h40m
[9:38] <ljn1981_> Hmm
[9:38] <agsarite> my up time is only one hour.
[9:38] <ljn1981_> wrapper.conf what do you have in wrapper.java.maxmemory=
[9:39] <agsarite> but i was purposely restarting my node.
[9:39] <ljn1981_> The default is 128 but upping it to 256 help sometimes
[9:39] <agsarite> i upped mine to 512. it made all my problems vanish in a puff of logic.
[9:40] <ljn1981_> 256 was too little?
[9:40] <agsarite> yes.
[9:41] <agsarite> actually, i was probably just over compensating.
[9:41] <ljn1981_> 7.361706E-1 == 0.7361706 right?
[9:41] <agsarite> i think so.
[9:41] <vextr> my wrapper.java.maxmemory = 128
[9:42] <ljn1981_> vextr: Try increasing it and restart freenet
[9:42] <vextr> ok
[9:42] <agsarite> i assume any memory that doesn't actually get used will get paged somewhere and it won't matter that i set it to some overly large number.
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[9:47] <agsarite> WAFFLES!
[9:47] <agsarite> that was magical.
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[9:48] <agsarite> i exclaim 'waffles' and someone appears right that instant.
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[9:50] <agsarite> do any of you work on the code for the fcp server?
[9:50] <agsarite> 'cause i suspect the node isn't flushing the stream after it finishes writing a message.
[9:51] <agsarite> but i really don
[9:51] <agsarite> don't have any idea what i'm looking at.
[10:32] <Jflesch> agsarite: It's mainly toad who maitains FCP
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[10:35] <Fossi> gotta love 0.7
[10:36] <Fossi> when i came back to my freenet node yesterday it was showing 4 errors:
[10:36] <Fossi> no connections, unknown external address, build too old, new build available
[10:37] <Fossi> of course it doesn't know its address, because it can't connect to it's peers, because the build is 'too old' (two weeks?)
[10:38] <Fossi> so i clicked 'update node'. now since then, i have a message on the main proxy screen saying:
[10:38] <Fossi> "It seems that your node isn't running the latest version of the software. Your node is currently doing a final check to verify the security of the update . (Finished checks: 0 of 3)"
[10:38] <Fossi> what am i supposed to do?
[10:38] <Fossi> stop it and update manually?
[10:39] <sbc> Fossi: You might want to update 'by hand'. Run the ./update.sh or what ever works like that on windows (update.cmd ?).
[10:39] <sbc> Fossi: Yes, stop and update manually.
[10:39] <Fossi> is there any idea on when that will not be needed anymore?
[10:39] <Jflesch> Fossi: sbc is right. The button update on the fproxy page try to update your node by download the update on freenet itself
[10:40] <Fossi> so far i had to do that about 10 times :\
[10:40] <Fossi> biscally every time i come back and look at my node
[10:40] <Jflesch> Fossi: there is an auto-update mechanism, look at your node configuration
[10:41] <Fossi> i mean i'd love to support freenet development by providing a stable 24/7 node, but like this it's not really possible
[10:41] <Fossi> Jflesch: ah, cool
[10:41] <Fossi> didn't see that before
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[10:44] <Fossi> i guess then i just have to find more than 2 reliable peers...
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[12:06] <agsarite> am i living in my own little fantasy world?
[12:07] <Jflesch> agsarite: maybe :)
[12:07] <agsarite> woah, its, like saturday.
[12:07] <agsarite> when did that happen?
[12:07] <Jflesch> for me, it happened 14h ago
[12:08] <agsarite> has it really been that long since tuesday?
[12:08] <Jflesch> ?!
[12:09] <agsarite> i've obviously not been interacting with the rest of the world enough; i've done nothing that required me to look at the date.
[12:09] <agsarite> i'm going to have to pay my rent soon.
[12:12] <agsarite> toad_: does the fcp server thingamajig flush whatever its streams it's done writing something?
[12:13] <agsarite> that has to be the mostest not good sentence i've written in a while.
[12:15] <agsarite> https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=784
[12:17] <agsarite> i've been experimenting, and i'm pretty sure my problems are caused by some buffer somewhere not getting flushed.
[12:18] <agsarite> if i make sure there are always at least two requests active, it never seems to screw up.
[12:19] <agsarite> at least i was about to complete 3000 clientget requests without the node stopping talking to me.
[12:19] <agsarite> i assume because by writing the data for one forces the buffered data for the previous to get written.
[12:19] <agsarite> so goes my theory.
[12:21] <agsarite> i've found this happening with several different message types, so i think this was the cause of uploads appearing to never complete after the node tells us about the 2nd last block.
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[12:43] <toad_> agsarite: interesting theory
[12:43] <toad_> agsarite: i'm going now, i'd appreciate it if you investigated yourself
[12:43] <toad_> but are you sure it's not buffering on your end?
[12:44] <agsarite> i watched my program in gdb, i'm pretty sure the data wasn't availible on my socket.
[12:44] <agsarite> select always times out
[12:44] <agsarite> and my thread just keeps looping.
[12:44] <agsarite> i didn't read too much and have my read call block or anything
[12:45] <agsarite> when i restart my node, the data appears on my socket.
[12:46] <agsarite> and i can read it before i get disconnected.
[12:46] <agsarite> i'm almost entirely sure it's the nodes fault.
[12:47] <agsarite> . . . how do you propose i go about this investigation?
[12:47] <agsarite> what do you ask of me?
[12:48] <agsarite> maybe it could be my fault.
[12:50] <agsarite> uhm, hmm.
[12:52] <agsarite> okay, i've conceived of a way it could be my fault.
[12:52] <agsarite> i'll investigate.
[12:59] * agsarite notices that the nodes response might infact be trapped in a buffer in my end, that the program might not notice in the event two messages get read during the same read.
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[12:59] <agsarite> i think maybe i'm going to need to apologize.
[13:00] <agsarite> im going to bed now, if the node is still alive and kicking when i wake up, i'll give you a virtual cookie.
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[13:07] <agsarite> this new theory would be much better if it didn't make me look like an idiot.
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[13:12] <Jflesch> toad_: When using GetCHKOnly, I obtain this message http://jflesch.kwain.net/~jflesch/fcp-exception.txt (before it worked ... I didn't change anything)
[13:12] <Jflesch> toad_: do you know the reason ?
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[15:01] <_ph00_> thrudh you there?
[15:01] <_ph00_> thrudg
[15:03] <_ph00_> hjubal you there?
[15:08] <ArchHagios> ?
[15:08] <hjubal> hola _ph00 :)
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[15:10] <_ph00_> hjubal I saw your nod as disconnected for more that 24
[15:10] <_ph00_> node*
[15:10] <_ph00_> was it down?
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[15:10] <_ph00_> or were we simply not connecting?
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[15:12] <hjubal> _ph00, no, my node has never gone down this week, just two updates this morning (976->982->984)
[15:12] <_ph00> I guess we're having some problem then
[15:12] <hjubal> _ph00, I've noticed that we're not connected
[15:12] <_ph00> maybe because of the goddamn ISP NAT
[15:13] <hjubal> maybe
[15:13] <_ph00> well, I deleted your node, but that was after being disconneted for some 26 hrs
[15:14] <_ph00> maybe we want to tray again, or maybe we want to give up trying, based on those connection problems.
[15:14] <_ph00> try*
[15:14] <hjubal> no matter to try again..
[15:15] <_ph00> nah
[15:15] <_ph00> we gice up then
[15:15] <_ph00> v
[15:15] <hjubal> have i to post my ref?
[15:15] <_ph00> oh
[15:16] <_ph00> I understood like you didn't want to try again
[15:16] <_ph00> but ok
[15:16] <_ph00> let's try once againg then
[15:17] <_ph00> bu if i gies down and stays down for a relatively long time again, then I think it's no great idea trying
[15:17] <_ph00> you stll have my node in your peers right
[15:17] <hjubal> _ph00, yep
[15:17] <_ph00> k
[15:18] <_ph00> post your refs so I re add you
[15:18] <hjubal> http://dark-code.bulix.org/53pit3-18765?raw
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[15:22] <_ph00> ebru labadon is one of the devil's names?
[15:23] <Ebru_Labadon> not the judeo-christian devil... but I think we can say basically yes, it is
[15:24] <_ph00> re-added hjubal
[15:25] <_ph00> looks like it doesn't want to connect...
[15:26] <hjubal> _ph00, I see your node updated to 984 but we're still disconnected
[15:26] <_ph00> yup
[15:26] <_ph00> so it connected at least once since update
[15:27] <_ph00> I re-added your nood but it doen't want to connect
[15:27] <_ph00> node
[15:27] <_ph00> ("nood"?!?)
[15:28] <_ph00> try deleting and re-adding me
[15:28] <_ph00> I don't see why that should work, but you never know...
[15:29] <hjubal> _ph00, plz your ref
[15:29] <_ph00> of course.
[15:29] <_ph00> just the time to get them...
[15:30] <_ph00> you got mail
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[16:09] <Offset> ref http://dark-code.bulix.org/lkd4bu-18766
[16:11] <_ph00> are those refs?
[16:11] <_ph00> #freenet-refs
[16:11] <Offset> 'cuse me
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[16:12] <_ph00> np
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[17:19] <odsuber> _phoo and hjubal: I think the connection problem started with the update past 976.
[17:19] <odsuber> I have the same problem, only worse after two weeks running 24/7.
[17:19] <odsuber> Wed night, the auto update tried to get to 979. I finally had to manually update to 981.
[17:19] <odsuber> ALL my peers became "disconnected", and have remained so for two days.
[17:19] <odsuber> Four IRC peers were added, and could see my attempts to connect, but remain "Never Connected."
[17:19] <odsuber> I've tried reinstalling over the same version (to keep my data), but with no change.
[17:19] <odsuber> Since you have a similar problem, I suspect it is lurking in updates past 976.
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[17:47] <toad_> hmmm
[17:47] <toad_> what's my Company Name ?
[17:47] <toad_> i suppose i'm representing FPI
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[17:58] <Another_Node> ping toad
[17:59] <Another_Node> toad, please check http://pastebin.com/797377
[18:02] <Bombe> Known bug.
[18:02] <Another_Node> Bombe, ok, not a show stopper?
[18:02] <Bombe> Your node will still run, only FEC encoding/decoding will be slower because Java code is used instead of native code.
[18:05] <Another_Node> Ok, thanks.
[18:05] <Another_Node> Ciao
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[18:27] <_ph00> hey! hjubal's node connected at last!
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[18:33] <_ph00> what's the latest r?
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[19:00] <TheSeeker> 10585
[19:01] <_ph00> my node is gonna stay down for a couple of hours (I'm going to boot windows and play some games)
[19:01] <_ph00> 585, ok
[19:02] <TheSeeker> only 584 for freenet trunk ... 585 might have been for another project
[19:02] <TheSeeker> yeah
[19:02] <TheSeeker> [19:46.59] <CIA-5> ian * r10585 /trunk/website/pages/people.php:
[19:02] <TheSeeker> [19:50.40] <FreenetLogBot> Website is up to date with r10585
[19:02] <_ph00> yeah. I have 58Waiting for Freenet 0.7 to exit...
[19:02] <_ph00> 4 currently. no need tuWaiting for Freenet 0.7 to exit...
[19:02] <_ph00> o update then
[19:03] <_ph00> yes, that's waht you think: typed the msg in the terminal window by mistake and then tried to copy paste it here
[19:03] <_ph00> (I mean, OK no need to updtae to 485 then)
[19:04] <_ph00> I will probably update anyway when I come back from my windoze gaming tour
[19:04] <_ph00> node is down now
[19:04] <_ph00> and
[19:04] <_ph00> cya
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[20:28] <agsarite> okay; my program completed 2268 downloads in a row without exploding. i'm sorry, toad_.
[20:30] <sandos_> =)
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[20:32] <TheSeeker> You found 2268 things to download on freenet? o.O
[20:32] <agsarite> my program was downloading frost messages.
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[20:33] <TheSeeker> You found 2268 frost messages? O.o :P
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[20:42] <Pardus> hi all, if anyone feels kind, could they pop into freenet-refs and exchange refs with me and another user please, seems like theres 2 of us active and thousands of lurkers in there!
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[21:40] <anonymouse> seems to me frost is finally picking up
[21:41] <anonymouse> discussions are easy; they can be produced with no effort and don't require big uploads =)
[21:44] <SinnerG> hehe
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[22:07] <tkfmpardus> lo all
[22:08] <tkfmpardus> are there any devs in here?
[22:11] <tkfmpardus> i'll take that as a 'no' then
[22:11] <tkfmpardus> ;-)
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[23:09] <_ph00> damn
[23:09] <_ph00> I have in file I'm trying to insert, a 130MB .avi
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[23:10] <_ph00> it showed up in the queue as 129MB until last restart
[23:11] <_ph00> then I stopped freenet, booted windows, played a couple of games, then rebooted linux and restarted freenet
[23:11] <_ph00> and now my files is showing up in the queue as 0 B
[23:11] <_ph00> with 29.6% uploaded
[23:13] <_ph00> the real file is still there and still the right size, only freenet shows the wrong value: 0b on the fproxy queue page, and 'unknown' in thaw
[23:13] <_ph00> ooops
[23:13] <_ph00> not really
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[23:14] <_ph00> my bad: I deleted it by mitake, never mind. I 'll get it back from the cd I burned it to and try to re insert
[23:16] <_ph00> I thought I had copied it on a special uploading dir, but I was inserting directly from its original dir instad, so when I burned and deleted it couldn't find it (ovviously)
[23:16] <_ph00> I thought I had copied it on a special uploading dir, but I was inserting directly from its original dir instad, so when I burned and deleted it couldn't find it (obviously)
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[23:49] <_ph00> <spam> democracynow.org </spam>
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