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[1:26] <D-Koi> hey freenet
[1:29] <sandos> Rotated log files: /home/sandos/projs/darknet/logs-4000/freenet-4000-305-2005-12-29-02-25.log.gz
[1:29] <sandos> Exception in thread "_senderThread for -6970938333660367910" java.util.NoSuchElementException
[1:29] <sandos> at java.util.LinkedList.remove(LinkedList.java:644)
[1:29] <sandos> at java.util.LinkedList.removeFirst(LinkedList.java:134)
[1:29] <sandos> at freenet.io.xfer.BlockTransmitter$1.run(BlockTransmitter.java:143)
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[2:02] <Abatrour> hey guys, i have a question about spider
[2:03] <D-Koi> kk, go forth and question
[2:03] <Abatrour> i read that it makes browsing freesites faster but i'm wondering if theres a program i need to download, or if its on the server end
[2:03] <Abatrour> it takes a real long time to find any sites and i was hoping it would help
[2:04] <D-Koi> naaa, increase your datastore size & leave freenet running m8
[2:05] <Abatrour> i've tried freenet a couple months ago, i had it running 24/7 for like a week and it still hardly found anything
[2:06] <Abatrour> would a better nodelist help?
[2:06] <Elly> uhh
[2:06] <Elly> you need to use it while it's learning
[2:06] <Elly> try to retrieve pages
[2:06] <Elly> that forces your node to send out requests
[2:06] <Elly> and makes it learn faster generally
[2:06] <D-Koi> ya, as Elly says..... leave it working!
[2:06] <Abatrour> so i have to click on a link, and then it knows i want it then it starts downloading?
[2:07] <Abatrour> ok
[2:07] <Abatrour> is 1.7gb enough for freenet?
[2:08] <Elly> yeah
[2:08] <Elly> but what you need to do is
[2:08] <Elly> grab one of the indexes as soon as you can
[2:08] <Elly> that'll cause freenet to send off hundreds of requests for the page's activelinks
[2:09] <Abatrour> ok
[2:10] <Elly> preferably, grab TFE
[2:10] <Elly> and let the main page load until it's done
[2:15] <Abatrour> oh yippy, thats gonna take a while
[2:16] <sbc> Abatrour: as everything else on freenet...
[2:16] <sbc> Abatrour: Have you tried frost? That's another way of getting your node working.
[2:16] <sbc> or, giving your node something to work on.
[2:17] <D-Koi> woah, how does frost help your node???? like....detailed???
[2:17] <sbc> D-Koi: Running frost makes your node constantly request data, so it forces your node to learn about the network - getting good connections.
[2:18] <D-Koi> sweet!
[2:18] <D-Koi> cheers sbc!
[2:18] <Abatrour> i'm gonna try that
[2:18] <Abatrour> any word yet when 0.7 is coming out?
[2:18] <D-Koi> have been running it 4 bout' 3month now
[2:19] <sbc> D-Koi, Abatrour: It's not like it's some magic program that turns freenet into the normal web on steoroides or anything, but it's good for getting a node well integrated.
[2:19] <D-Koi> lol, don't worry m8! i aint a beliver!
[2:19] <sbc> Abatrour: It's in alpha now (see the topic). No official release date yet.
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[2:20] <Abatrour> i know they were planning on it coming out on christmas, but it obvously hasn't
[2:20] <sbc> no, thats right.
[2:21] <Abatrour> what version of java does the freenet java install come with? i have 2 choices for frost, java 4 or 5
[2:21] <Abatrour> nm
[2:23] <Abatrour> wow, tfe is already over half done
[2:23] <sbc> Abatrour: nice
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[2:25] <Abatrour> so, i have frost running, i can just leave it like this and it will find nodes? or do i have to download something
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[2:27] <sbc> Abatrour: just make sure it is updating the boards and then leave it running. If it's updating some of the board names should have some blue-ish shade to them.
[2:27] <Abatrour> ah ok, thanks alot
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[2:37] <D_Koi> bk
[2:39] <sbc> D_Koi: You did not miss much :)
[2:39] <D_Koi> lol, anyway...my next question...
[2:40] <D_Koi> the whole "PAgM" thing??
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[2:41] <sbc> D_Koi: What?
[2:44] <D_Koi> well, all keys- be it SSK, CHK or KSK need the PAgM at then end of the key.... why/what is this?
[2:44] <sbc> D_Koi: I honestly have no idea. I guess it's part of the crypto-magic.
[2:45] <D_Koi> kk, no worries sbc & cheers for your honesty
[2:46] <sbc> D_Koi: I think you would be able to call my bluff quite fast if I started making up stuff... "The PAgM is required by the WTO in order to make export of freenet legal to..."
[2:47] <sbc> D_Koi: But I'm sure someone inhere can answer you, you just need to catch them while they are awake and willing to answer :)
[2:48] <D_Koi> sbc: thats annonimity for ya! :)
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[3:09] <TheBishop_> this "PAgM" thing is the tail of the freenet key in binhex-style coding. the tail of each key is [hex]XXYYYY (XX=key size 2^XX; YYYY=key type 0302 for data keys, 0203 for SSK and KSK keys) (look at the store/* directories contents)
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[7:07] <sleon_> hi Jercos
[7:07] <sleon_> Jercos: can zou fire up your node ?
[7:07] <sleon_> someone is doing largish insert atm
[7:08] <sleon_> Jercos: aa it is up, nice
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[7:09] <Abatrour> hey guys, have any of u experienced problems with nodelist.ref? i downloaded the most up to date one the other day and it was 12mb or so, i checked it today and its only 3mb
[7:10] <sleon_> maybe dead nodes were deleted ?
[7:10] <Abatrour> nodes dead after a day?
[7:11] <Abatrour> and 9mb worth, that seems a little weird
[7:11] <sleon_> maybe they were already dead ?
[7:13] <Abatrour> is there any good place to download a good list? i'm checking the site but i'm having trouble finding the one i downloaded the other day
[7:16] <sleon_> ask on frostin freenet
[7:16] <sleon_> and downlolad it with freenet ??:=)
[7:17] <Abatrour> i've been checking frost for it but it cant find much right now
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[7:28] <Abatrour> is anyone able to download the lists from http://downloads.freenetproject.org/seednodes/ ? i get time out errors
[7:32] <sleon> again
[7:32] <sleon> Abatrour: the best source for lists is freenet
[7:32] <sleon> ask on frost
[7:32] <Abatrour> nm, i got it
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[9:21] <jzxu> is there anything to do on freenet other than child porn and talks of violent government coups?
[9:24] <sleon> jzxu: sure
[9:24] <sleon> jzxu: anything you want
[9:25] <jzxu> what I mean is, does any significant amount of content exist on freenet other than the aforementioned?
[9:25] <sleon> i think yes
[9:25] <jzxu> example?
[9:26] <sleon> hmm
[9:26] <sleon> different newspages
[9:26] <sleon> software
[9:26] <sleon> which is only available in freenet
[9:26] <sleon> books
[9:26] <sleon> black magic books for example
[9:26] <sleon> :)
[9:26] <jzxu> but I can get all that off plain old internet
[9:27] <sleon> not all
[9:27] <jzxu> what software is on freenet that's not available through something like bit torrent?
[9:27] <sleon> lots of free speech projects have sites in freenet
[9:27] <sleon> software which infrigs software patents
[9:28] <sleon> or violates dmca
[9:28] <jzxu> illegal software is everywhere
[9:28] <jzxu> in fact, it's coming in through my windows
[9:29] <sleon> not warez ...
[9:29] <sleon> not virii
[9:29] <sleon> not wormy
[9:29] <sleon> but something usefull
[9:29] <sleon> also when autor wants to stay anonym
[9:29] <jzxu> oh?
[9:30] <jzxu> I guess everything is slow for me because I just started
[9:30] <sleon> no
[9:30] <jzxu> I can't even load the index pages in a reasonable amount of time
[9:30] <sleon> it is also because ffreenet 0.5 has scalability problems
[9:30] <sleon> there is new generation developed
[9:30] <sleon> 0.7
[9:30] <jzxu> oh
[9:30] <sleon> which has completely different approach
[9:30] <jzxu> is that thing at all stable?
[9:31] <sleon> 0.7 ?
[9:31] <sleon> is alpha
[9:31] <sleon> if you want good connetibility with freenet 0.5
[9:31] <sleon> you need
[9:31] <sleon> statical ip
[9:31] <sleon> more then 700 mb ram
[9:31] <sleon> 10 gig hdd
[9:31] <jzxu> uh ...
[9:31] <sleon> and
[9:31] <sleon> 24 hours uptime
[9:31] <jzxu> those are quite demanding
[9:31] <sleon> 24 / 7
[9:31] <sleon> yes
[9:31] <sleon> it will be not so with 0.7
[9:32] <sleon> it is because nodes are learning about each other far to slow
[9:32] <jzxu> I see
[9:32] <sleon> or get overloaded
[9:32] <jzxu> isn't that for the sake of anonymity?
[9:32] <sleon> and when you are not responding you get bad karma by them
[9:32] <sleon> sure
[9:32] <sleon> anonymity has highest precedence
[9:32] <jzxu> have they published a paper on 0.7's approach?
[9:32] <sleon> sure!
[9:33] <sleon> there is even easy to understand presentation
[9:33] <sleon> look on the page
[9:33] <jzxu> I only see 3
[9:33] <jzxu> the 3 I saw last year
[9:33] <jzxu> is it the "next gen routing algorithm"?
[9:36] <jzxu> oh, you are one of the developers?
[9:36] <sleon> nope
[9:36] <sleon> i hope to become one :=
[9:36] <sleon> and i have svn access too
[9:37] <jzxu> where is this paper and presentation you speak of ?
[9:37] <sleon> let me find it
[9:38] <jzxu> thanks
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[9:45] <jzxu> it's sad, but I think freenet will only truly flourish if the RIAA take everything else down
[10:03] <sleon> jzxu: http://freenetproject.org/papers/vegas1_dc.pdf
[10:04] <jzxu> yeah, actually I just found it too
[10:04] <sleon> sorry jzxu
[10:05] <sleon> jzxu: i had a postman
[10:05] <sleon> jzxu: ....
[10:05] <sleon> jzxu: this idiot did not trusted that me is me ...
[10:05] <jzxu> haha, that is better than those people that leave your packages on your doorstep, knock briefly, and then just leave
[10:05] <sleon> then he must pay
[10:06] <sleon> package is 500 euros worth
[10:06] <sleon> he gave me EIGHT papaers to sign ...
[10:07] <jzxu> haha, because if you were not who you claim to be, then more signatures means more likelihood that you'll be found out, right?
[10:11] <sleon> hmm
[10:11] <jzxu> that was sarcasm
[10:12] <sleon> :)
[10:14] <jzxu> I don't get their diagrams with the circle of nodes
[10:14] <jzxu> what does the chord length represent in that diagram?
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[11:19] <D_Koi|sleep> anyone a fiw expert?
[11:19] <D_Koi|sleep> or maybe just a user?
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[16:35] <asymptonic> toad_: you here?
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[18:38] <mikeDOTd> FreenetLogBot:CHK@K3Q48B0u5~qYlUKmKlDwH3fvTMGNnGEomuvnhAYARc4,p~HHRbzdJ~4x-JtAAc2h7vZs2VHnt8jMaJTERS4sNks,AAEA--8/ <-- let me know if you can get this on 0.7
[18:39] <mikeDOTd> yay autonick completion
[18:39] <mikeDOTd> CHK@K3Q48B0u5~qYlUKmKlDwH3fvTMGNnGEomuvnhAYARc4,p~HHRbzdJ~4x-JtAAc2h7vZs2VHnt8jMaJTERS4sNks,AAEA--8/
[18:39] <sleon_> mikeDOTd: text or file ?
[18:39] <mikeDOTd> it's a file containing texk
[18:39] <mikeDOTd> err, text
[18:39] <sleon_> k
[18:40] <sleon_> so it is text ?
[18:40] <mikeDOTd> yes. not binary.
[18:40] <sleon_> mikeDOTd: got
[18:40] <sleon_> :)
[18:40] <mikeDOTd> cool :)
[18:41] <sleon_> you are directly connected
[18:41] <mikeDOTd> yes
[18:41] <sleon_> and you are always 5000(0)
[18:41] <sleon_> this should be example to others ... :D
[18:41] <sleon_> if others would have such nodes, then we would have ultraspeeds in freenet
[18:42] <mikeDOTd> what does 5000(0) mean?
[18:42] <sleon_> it is the minimal backoff time
[18:43] <sleon_> whith which you get panished when inserts or requests on your node fail due to overload
[18:43] <sleon_> it then does
[18:43] <sleon_> 5000(5000(
[18:43] <sleon_> )
[18:43] <sleon_> and waits 5 seconds and then try again
[18:43] <sleon_> when it fails again
[18:43] <sleon_> then the number grows exponentially fast
[18:43] <mikeDOTd> ah, cool. like tcp.
[18:44] <sleon_> really ?
[18:44] <mikeDOTd> i believe so. if an ack isn't returned it tries again and exponentially backs off until it receives a response or timesout
[18:45] <sleon_> k
[18:45] <sleon_> so when you are a bad boy
[18:45] <sleon_> you can get a rest time of 10 hours!
[18:45] <sleon_> and when it is your only connection
[18:45] <sleon_> then you are sol
[18:45] <mikeDOTd> lol
[18:49] <sleon_> mikeDOTd: thats why i want only health connections
[18:50] <mikeDOTd> i see
[18:51] <mikeDOTd> how are the freenet funds doing? i seem to recall toad would be out of money in january
[18:52] <sleon_> oh
[19:45] <toad_> check the web site
[19:46] <sleon_> toad_: i have a good feeling that 0.7 will get things into rolling
[19:46] <sleon_> toad_: and finally get prohibited
[19:46] <sleon_> when it starts working :(
[19:50] <mikeDOTd> the website should be updated to point people at #freenet instead of #freenet-alpha
[19:50] <sleon_> mikeDOTd: nexgens
[19:54] <mikeDOTd> nexgens?
[20:05] <sleon_> mikeDOTd: is webmaster
[20:05] <mikeDOTd> ah, cool
[20:05] <sleon_> toad_: ping
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[23:25] <CIA-9> sbc * r7732 /trunk/website/pages/news.php: The fight against the rebel #freenet-alphatest continues...
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