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[4:09] <Zorix> hey toad_
[4:10] <Zorix> how goes 0.7
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[5:32] <mikeDOTd> anyone wanna be my peer? :)
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[5:42] <Abatrour> hey guys, i need help updating to 0.7, i'm completely lost
[5:42] <Abatrour> i tried the alpha irc room and theres nobody in there to help m
[5:42] <Abatrour> eme*
[5:44] <mikeDOTd> check out http://wiki.freenetproject.org/FreenetAlphatestNodeInstallation
[5:44] <mikeDOTd> i had it up and running in like 2 minutes
[5:45] <Abatrour> i was just checking that out and i cant get that command to work, says no file, i went to the freenet directory
[5:45] <mikeDOTd> (of course i had used previous builds, but i started fresh using those directions)
[5:45] <mikeDOTd> which command?
[5:45] <Abatrour> "java -Xmx128M -cp freenet-ext.jar;freenet-cvs-snapshot.jar freenet.node.Node <port> [<ip_or_dynamicdns_adress>] [<bandwidth limit>]"
[5:45] <Abatrour> the commands in the [ ] are those variables, like am i supposed to fill them in myself?
[5:46] <mikeDOTd> did you download freenet-cvs.jar and freenet-ext.jar?
[5:46] <Abatrour> yeah i did, and i placed them in the freenet folder
[5:46] <mikeDOTd> yea, you'll need to fill in the variables
[5:47] <Abatrour> you mean "freenet-cvs-snapshot.jar" right? not "freenet-cvs.jar"
[5:47] <mikeDOTd> right :)
[5:47] <Abatrour> is Xmx128M a program i need to download?
[5:47] <Abatrour> or is it just a command?
[5:47] <mikeDOTd> nope, that's a java command that says "use 128 MB of ram"
[5:48] <Abatrour> oh, the tutorial isn't very clear about everything lol
[5:48] <mikeDOTd> heh, well it's still alpha ;-)
[5:49] <Abatrour> yeah, but the tutorial too? lol, i mean, its not that hard to give a better walkthrough, but w/e
[5:49] <mikeDOTd> hehe
[5:49] <mikeDOTd> i think they just wrote the tutorial recently
[5:49] <mikeDOTd> it's a wiki, so i'm sure someone will make it better
[5:49] <Abatrour> ok, when i fill in the variables? am i supposed to leave the brackets?
[5:50] <mikeDOTd> nope, remove the brackets
[5:50] <mikeDOTd> port should be a number between 1024 and 65536
[5:51] <mikeDOTd> and you'll need to make sure your router/firewall is allowing that port if need be
[5:52] <mikeDOTd> actually, that should probably be between 1024 and 65535
[5:52] <Abatrour> ok, now the bandwidth setting, is that upstream?
[5:52] <mikeDOTd> correct
[5:53] <Abatrour> hmm java error
[5:53] <Abatrour> "C:\Program Files\Freenet>java -Xmx128M -cp freenet-ext.jar;freenet-cvs-snapshot.
[5:53] <Abatrour> jar freenet.node.Node 5566 70.70.94.84 20K
[5:53] <Abatrour> Port number: 5566
[5:53] <Abatrour> Created log files
[5:53] <Abatrour> INFO: Native CPUID library 'freenet/support/CPUInformation/jcpuid-x86-windows.dl
[5:54] <Abatrour> l' loaded from resource
[5:54] <Abatrour> INFO: Optimized native BigInteger library 'net/i2p/util/jbigi-windows-athlon.dll
[5:54] <Abatrour> ' loaded from resource
[5:54] <Abatrour> Overriding IP detection: 70.70.94.84
[5:54] <Abatrour> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NumberFormatException: For input string: "2
[5:54] <Abatrour> 0K"
[5:54] <Abatrour> at java.lang.NumberFormatException.forInputString(Unknown Source)
[5:54] <Abatrour> at java.lang.Integer.parseInt(Unknown Source)
[5:54] <Abatrour> at java.lang.Integer.parseInt(Unknown Source)
[5:54] <Abatrour> at freenet.node.Node.main(Node.java:307)"
[5:54] <mikeDOTd> what command are you using, including the variables?
[5:54] <Abatrour> java -Xmx128M -cp freenet-ext.jar;freenet-cvs-snapshot.
[5:54] <Abatrour> Abatrour jar freenet.node.Node 5566 70.70.94.84 20K
[5:55] <mikeDOTd> try using 20000 instead of 20K
[5:55] <Abatrour> ok, that changed the output, it gave me other stuff now
[5:56] <Abatrour> Build 305
[5:56] <Abatrour> Enter one of the following commands:
[5:56] <Abatrour> GET:<Freenet key> - Fetch a key
[5:56] <Abatrour> PUT:
[5:56] <Abatrour> <text, until a . on a line by itself> - Insert the document and return the key.
[5:56] <Abatrour> PUT:<text> - Put a single line of text to a CHK and return the key.
[5:56] <mikeDOTd> you'll need to name your node, then paste your identity from the status command
[5:56] <Abatrour> GETCHK:
[5:56] <Abatrour> <text, until a . on a line by itself> - Get the key that would be returned if th
[5:56] <Abatrour> e document was inserted.
[5:56] <Abatrour> GETCHK:<text> - Get the key that would be returned if the line was inserted.
[5:56] <Abatrour> PUTFILE:<filename> - Put a file from disk.
[5:56] <mikeDOTd> yup, that's freenet right now
[5:56] <Abatrour> GETFILE:<filename> - Fetch a key and put it in a file. If the key includes a fil
[5:56] <Abatrour> ename we will use it but we will not overwrite local files.
[5:56] <Abatrour> GETCHKFILE:<filename> - Get the key that would be returned if we inserted the fi
[5:56] <Abatrour> le.
[5:56] <Abatrour> PUTDIR:<path>[#<defaultfile>] - Put the entire directory from disk.
[5:56] <Abatrour> GETCHKDIR:<path>[#<defaultfile>] - Get the key that would be returned if we'd pu
[5:56] <Abatrour> t the entire directory from disk.
[5:57] <Abatrour> CONNECT:<filename> - connect to a node from its ref in a file.
[5:57] <Abatrour> CONNECT:
[5:57] <Abatrour> <noderef including an End on a line by itself> - enter a noderef directly.
[5:57] <Abatrour> DISCONNECT:<ip:port> - disconnect from a node by providing it's ip+port
[5:57] <Abatrour> NAME:<new node name> - change the node's name.
[5:57] <Abatrour> STATUS - display some status information on the node including its reference and
[5:57] <Abatrour> connections.
[5:57] <Abatrour> QUIT - exit the program
[5:57] <Abatrour> WARNING: TESTNET MODE ENABLED. YOU HAVE NO ANONYMITY.
[5:57] <Abatrour> where do i name it though
[5:57] <Abatrour> oh, i got it
[5:57] <mikeDOTd> here's mine
[5:57] <Abatrour> status
[5:57] <Abatrour> hmmm
[5:58] <mikeDOTd> physical.udp=209.6.82.6:55555
[5:58] <mikeDOTd> identity=2e65ea47332c70def8baabedf315374a4ceecdde92cdd7dc5d2aa731bee49120
[5:58] <mikeDOTd> myName=Node created around 1135747785128
[5:58] <mikeDOTd> location=0.008250849370704194
[5:58] <mikeDOTd> testnetPort=56555
[5:58] <mikeDOTd> testnet=true
[5:58] <mikeDOTd> version=Fred,0.7,1.0,305
[5:58] <mikeDOTd> End
[5:58] <mikeDOTd> err
[5:58] <mikeDOTd> hmm
[5:58] <mikeDOTd> physical.udp=209.6.82.6:55555
[5:58] <mikeDOTd> identity=2e65ea47332c70def8baabedf315374a4ceecdde92cdd7dc5d2aa731bee49120
[5:58] <mikeDOTd> myName=mikeDOTd
[5:58] <mikeDOTd> location=0.008250849370704194
[5:58] <mikeDOTd> testnetPort=56555
[5:58] <mikeDOTd> testnet=true
[5:58] <mikeDOTd> version=Fred,0.7,1.0,305
[5:58] <mikeDOTd> End
[5:58] <mikeDOTd> there we go
[5:59] <Abatrour> i'm kinda lost lol
[5:59] <mikeDOTd> yeah, the alpha is nothing like the stable
[5:59] <mikeDOTd> there's no gui
[5:59] <Abatrour> for setup? or the whole thing?... :/
[5:59] <mikeDOTd> the whole thing
[5:59] <Abatrour> omg, what a waste of time
[5:59] <Abatrour> lol
[5:59] <mikeDOTd> the main developer is working on the gui soon though
[5:59] <mikeDOTd> lol
[5:59] <mikeDOTd> sorry man
[6:00] <Abatrour> its all good, thanks for helping me though
[6:00] <mikeDOTd> np. hope you come back once it's a little less raw :)
[6:01] <Abatrour> they were expecting 0.7 to be done around christmas, i guess they're too busy to release it though
[6:01] <mikeDOTd> yeah, the deadline has slipped
[6:01] <Abatrour> so u just browse the network textbased?
[6:02] <mikeDOTd> pretty much. people paste links in irc, others try to get them, the developers watch and fix bugs as they come
[6:03] <mikeDOTd> i would say it'll have a gui in a month or 2
[6:03] <Abatrour> is there too big of a change in between the versions that they cant just reuse the "html" renderer?
[6:03] <mikeDOTd> but that's just a guess
[6:03] <mikeDOTd> yeah, they re-wrote most of it
[6:03] <Abatrour> like the network changed, but do the pages u browse also?
[6:03] <mikeDOTd> 0.7 is brand new
[6:04] <Abatrour> is it much faster than 0.5?
[6:04] <mikeDOTd> so all the html stuff has to be re-written too
[6:04] <mikeDOTd> heh, well no one knows yet
[6:04] <Abatrour> apples to oranges i guess
[6:04] <mikeDOTd> it should be faster, and more secure
[6:04] <mikeDOTd> yeah
[6:04] <mikeDOTd> until it's being used by thousands, we won't know i guess
[6:04] <mikeDOTd> time for bed, later Abatrour
[6:05] <Abatrour> cya
[6:05] <Abatrour> thnk
[6:05] <Abatrour> thanks
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[6:05] <mikeDOTd[Zzz]> np
[6:14] <Abatrour> marco
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[10:11] <sanity_> hey, Oskar and I are giving a talk on the new Darknet stuff at 2pm CET on Friday. it would be really cool to be able to demo what we have now, but that would require that we have a few other people who can commit to being online at that time
[10:11] * sanity_ is now known as sanity
[10:12] <sanity> any volunteers?
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[12:34] <sanity> can anyone connect to me? here is my ref:
[12:34] <sanity> STATUS
[12:34] <sanity> physical.udp=85.178.99.177:19114
[12:34] <sanity> identity=30b66281a2948b792650fcdb4ff8a611b146b6d793dcbef164c4a56621b71a85
[12:34] <sanity> myName=sanity1
[12:34] <sanity> location=0.8425652868067444
[12:34] <sanity> testnetPort=20114
[12:34] <sanity> testnet=true
[12:34] <sanity> version=Fred,0.7,1.0,305
[12:34] <sanity> End
[12:36] <sbc> sanity: sure.
[12:36] <sbc> me:
[12:36] <sbc> physical.udp=83.72.201.52:9999
[12:36] <sbc> identity=7ed1884046042f654022c2cbc5e2671d7d3cb5b9d229211f4173b344dec6f41a
[12:36] <sbc> myName=Node created around 1135174500296
[12:36] <sbc> location=0.427697938030251
[12:36] <sbc> testnetPort=10999
[12:36] <sbc> testnet=true
[12:36] <sbc> version=Fred,0.7,1.0,305
[12:36] <sbc> End
[12:37] <sanity> cool, connected - thanks
[12:37] <sanity> anyone else?
[12:38] <sanity> sbc: how many active connections do you have?
[12:38] <sbc> sanity: two. You and TheBishop2
[12:38] <sanity> got any keys i can request?
[12:39] <sbc> can make some...
[12:39] <sbc> just text, or you want "bigger" files?
[12:39] <sanity> text is fine
[12:40] <sanity> try freenet:CHK@jfcHT~GZIv5~rDEaw1zspCsmrpmGvDfSVmILNuO1J0k,Jhr9CaXAuOs2QTLZ2hpN8OVhJQIh2pfkgHClTjnyYZc,AAEA--8/
[12:40] <sbc> sanity: freenet:CHK@R3ycvMeYtRMQqzzUH7Hiaizh~S7l2jpaJ~puUOrS-Kg,zCTD~wDsilNnqlupMGXp0jkvDGVLYmOL6HQWh8AOOY8,AAEA--8/
[12:40] <sanity> hmm, this insert seems very slow
[12:41] <sleon> sanity: ping
[12:41] <sleon> sanity: my node is permantent up
[12:41] <sanity> sleon: pong
[12:41] <sanity> sleon: can you give me the reference? mine is above
[12:41] <sleon> sure
[12:41] <sleon> physical.udp=213.83.30.118:25000
[12:41] <sleon> identity=85c8ede113858cb0deb00544fc5b985e3b9e8bc8e548e2fcff3a38490c2c2680
[12:41] <sleon> myName=superduper
[12:41] <sleon> location=0.4918389451075602
[12:41] <sleon> testnetPort=26000
[12:41] <sleon> testnet=true
[12:42] <sleon> version=Fred,0.7,1.0,305
[12:42] <sleon> End
[12:42] <sleon> arghl...
[12:42] <sleon> i did not want to show my ip :((
[12:42] <sleon> sanity: you can count on me in berlin :)
[12:42] <sanity> thanks :-)
[12:43] <sanity> sleon: still not connected to you
[12:43] <sleon> sanity: hmm
[12:43] <sleon> DISCONNECTED 85.178.99.177:19114 sanity1 0.8425652868067444 Fred,0.7,1.0,305 backoff: 5000 (0)
[12:43] <sbc> sanity: freenet:CHK@pxWqcAQa73V8OpWbFI-KKtup5RdPLbH5AJGEK7uCFfk,4ItTLikGqmYKxBiPAUh82npeDmZDXzheE2vnsuafhU4,AAEA--8/
[12:43] <sanity> ok, connected now
[12:43] <sleon> connected now :)
[12:44] <sleon> sbc: text ?
[12:44] <sbc> yes
[12:44] <sleon> sanity: did the speed improve now ?
[12:44] <sleon> sanity: the speed of insert is normally somethng like 1kb/s
[12:44] <sleon> and get is 20kb/s
[12:44] <sleon> on this node
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[12:45] <sanity> got it
[12:45] <sanity> ah, oskar just turned up
[12:45] <sanity> afk
[12:45] <sleon> Inserts: 18
[12:46] <sleon> uiii
[12:46] <sleon> sanity: is this you ?
[12:47] <sleon> how to comment " in latex ?
[12:47] <sleon> i mean i want to use trhem in regular text
[12:48] <sanity> no, i just tried one insert
[12:48] <sleon> hmm
[12:48] <sbc> sleon: freenet:CHK@u32jqHWzyowq0IA9y5vRkn0N7CijahWSMrMt0B4Q02U,Zv9X1UDKgqjn0mM3KYbdB6RwR3MvbISFegP3ip12VjM,AAEA--8/
[12:48] <sleon> sanity: yesterday i tryed to fetch something from ppl which i had no idea with they whereconnected to someone i know of
[12:48] <sleon> :)
[12:49] <sleon> and it succeeded
[12:49] <sleon> sbc: text?
[12:49] <sbc> sleon: yes.
[12:49] <sbc> ...oops, out of disk space :(
[12:49] <sleon> sbc: freenet:CHK@xLA3rQ3s7wP~sZUXpmR6N2RJnU-9Pj-Ti8s5kdmeKIo,l8e1dXufv640h~wdL7PvzqzgHFJnGQDfYwBJolztwpM,AAEA--8/
[12:50] <sbc> sleon: 2 sec, just have to delete something.
[12:50] <sleon> sbc: rm -rf *{wmv,avi,mpg}
[12:51] <sleon> sbc: find . -name "*.{wmv,avi,mpg}" -exec "rm" "{}" ";"
[12:51] <sleon> or better
[12:51] <sleon> sbc: find $HOME -name "*.{wmv,avi,mpg}" -exec "rm" "{}" ";"
[12:52] <sbc> sleon: I found something to delete now.
[12:56] <sbc> sleon: CHK@Cljuc0bn6g2mpaVfOGIsauIrLrFjdZ5IzKF5Si90OJs,rTN4-Wi4557A4fKR2mVmKUTIqRewEOYPQ-MDA55RsjU,AAEA--8/
[12:57] <sleon> freenet:CHK@snUAynu0JRqfwebQ1ou8ijX3GBmTCBhC9lYVIZnJplU,-9WFoD4F1n3dSUcEiCMe8IilWmwJcjLVqb1uWgGFMcg,AAEA--8/ , sbc
[13:03] <sbc> sleon: freenet:CHK@aYiKA6h0Ff8RU9NuheVTw59fzNv~NLNzpSRU1OzWxPU,erbNcjLWyt0yDMXrZkdUlx~V-EMQcU0U-Zk9l7kRBtk,AAEA--8/
[13:07] <sleon> freenet:CHK@FanldWSNO4PKg3d5Q8yjwh09Pkrflta3ziqXkuFXEm8,1vw7EZOMuP5wrtar5eASeBhSIAwy5Abso4YDHxe2tB0,AAEA--8/
[13:08] <sbc> sleon: :)
[13:12] <sleon> CONNECTED 85.178.99.177:62209 sanity1 0.427697938030251 Fred,0.7,1.0,305 backoff: 10000 (4317)
[13:12] <sleon> sanity: you got backed off
[13:12] <sleon> sanity: is your node overloaded right now ?
[13:12] <sleon> Inserts: 11
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[13:34] <sleon> toad_: hi
[13:35] <sleon> sanity: is it 22c3 in berlin where you will show freenet /
[13:35] <sleon> toad_: can you give me here channel op ?
[13:36] <sleon> toad_: the whole topic is misleading :)
[13:37] <sbc> sleon: Don't think you need ops to change the topic.
[13:37] <sleon> sbc: and for other things too :D
[13:37] <sbc> sleon: You would not kick me, would you? :)
[13:37] <sleon> *hust*
[13:38] <sleon> why should i ?
[13:39] <sbc> then what do you need op for?
[13:39] <sleon> sbc: when you would molst ian then i will do
[13:39] <sbc> sleon: I think Ian can look after him self.
[13:39] <sleon> heeh
[13:40] <sleon> we simple have too little ops here
[13:40] <sleon> and toad is too busy with developing
[13:40] <sleon> sbc: to constantly update topic and such
[13:40] <sbc> sleon: I still don't think you need ops to update the topic.
[13:41] <sleon> sbc: yep you are right
[13:42] * sleon changes topic to 'http://freenetproject.org | Stable: Upgrade to 5106 | Unstable:60275 |Channel logs: http://emu.freenetproject.org/irc/ | #freenet-alphatest retired, 0.7 folks ask here instead - see http://wiki.freenetproject.org/FreenetAlphatestNodeInstallation for installation | DO NOT use the freenet packages supplied by debian! | A fresh install of freenet will take some time to become useful, be patient | latest alpha build 305'
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[16:13] <sandos> 85.225.113.27:11717 cyberdo 0.6764537734444109 Fred,0.7,1.0,305 backoff: 81920000 (29869210)
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[18:14] <Viperb0y> Hi
[18:15] <Viperb0y> Just a question... i've checked the "announce to other nodes" checkbox. When shall I uncheck it?
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[19:21] <mikeDOTd[Zzz]> anyone wanna be my peer?
[19:21] <mikeDOTd[Zzz]> physical.udp=209.6.82.6:55555
[19:21] <mikeDOTd[Zzz]> identity=2e65ea47332c70def8baabedf315374a4ceecdde92cdd7dc5d2aa731bee49120
[19:21] <mikeDOTd[Zzz]> myName=mikeDOTd
[19:21] <mikeDOTd[Zzz]> location=0.008250849370704194
[19:21] <mikeDOTd[Zzz]> testnetPort=56555
[19:21] <mikeDOTd[Zzz]> testnet=true
[19:21] <mikeDOTd[Zzz]> version=Fred,0.7,1.0,305
[19:21] <mikeDOTd[Zzz]> End
[19:21] * mikeDOTd[Zzz] is now known as mikeDOTd
[19:23] <sandos> sure
[19:23] <sandos> physical.udp=83.233.97.28:4000
[19:23] <sandos> identity=3257150a6fc3a6912467e368201d1c0872dabca9697bd456f7ec9f5232d346f5
[19:23] <sandos> myName=sandos
[19:23] <sandos> location=0.502820982112131
[19:23] <sandos> testnetPort=5000
[19:23] <sandos> testnet=true
[19:23] <sandos> version=Fred,0.7,1.0,305
[19:24] <sandos> End
[19:24] <mikeDOTd> cool
[19:25] <mikeDOTd> excellent
[19:25] <mikeDOTd> thanks
[19:28] <sandos> yey
[19:28] <sandos> no problem :)
[20:13] <sleon> sandos: how many connections do you have ??
[20:13] <sleon> :)
[20:13] <mikeDOTd> it seems inserts still suck :(
[20:16] <sleon> mikeDOTd: how many connections do you have
[20:16] <mikeDOTd> just 1
[20:16] <sleon> thats why
[20:17] <sleon> mikeDOTd: :) the node gets overloaded
[20:17] <sleon> and then it rejects you
[20:17] <mikeDOTd> ah
[20:17] <sleon> or you back it off
[20:17] <sleon> with a given timeout
[20:17] <sleon> timeout grows with exponential speed
[20:17] <sandos> sleon: too many =)
[20:17] <sleon> so one node as link is not enough
[20:17] <sandos> naah
[20:18] <sleon> sandos: wc -l peers-* ?
[20:18] <sandos> 15-20 or so =)
[20:18] <sandos> 5 active
[20:18] <sleon> mikeDOTd: and sandos has too many links
[20:18] <sandos> 22
[20:18] <sleon> hrm
[20:21] <mikeDOTd> well, i've got some resource to throw at the test network if anyone wants to peer with me
[20:22] <sleon> mikeDOTd: are you permanently up?
[20:22] <mikeDOTd> yes
[20:22] <sleon> then cool
[20:22] <sleon> i have 24/7 server
[20:22] <sleon> mikeDOTd: but please do not disclose my static ip :)
[20:23] <sleon> mikeDOTd: quert
[20:23] <sleon> query
[20:23] <sleon> mikeDOTd: ok?
[20:26] <sleon> mikeDOTd: ping
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[20:26] <mikeDOTd> sorry, at work
[20:26] <mikeDOTd> brb
[20:26] <sleon> k
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[20:35] <davey101> why is my freenet so slow? I have tried the speed improvements but it is still really slow
[20:37] <Viperb0y> Same here
[20:38] <sleon> 0.5?
[20:38] <sleon> because it d oes not scale
[20:38] <davey101> 0.5 as well
[20:38] <sleon> 0.7 should bring improvents
[20:38] <sleon> it is in betatest now
[20:39] <Viperb0y> I hope 0.7 runs with blackdown-jre... 0.5 doesn't start
[20:39] <sleon> err , alphatest
[20:39] <sleon> Viperb0y: even when it runs
[20:39] <sleon> it is not tested
[20:39] <sleon> and may perform unexpectively
[20:40] <Viperb0y> Better perform unexpectively than doing nothing *G*
[20:40] <sleon> because operations in blackdown have different timing as in jre
[20:40] <davey101> I hope so i've had freent running for weeks on my machine and it still is no faster. if 0.7 doesn't improve things then i'll just have to uninstall, which will be a shame
[20:40] <sleon> it may cause that nodes get backed off
[20:40] <Viperb0y> I have to run freenet on a windows machine.. bah :(
[20:40] <sleon> and then it does nothing
[20:40] <sleon> why not jre?
[20:40] <sleon> jre is plattform independant
[20:40] <Viperb0y> Hm..
[20:41] <mikeDOTd> sleon: looks like i'm connected, thanks
[20:41] <NullAcht15> Viperb0y: I can't agree with you on that one. In many cases, not working at all is a better thing than working unexpectedly
[20:41] <sleon> mikeDOTd: nice
[20:41] <NullAcht15> or in an unpredictable fashion
[20:41] <sleon> right
[20:41] <sleon> Viperb0y: for example unpredictably sending your data to NSA
[20:41] <davey101> at least if it didn't work then I'd have somewhere to start from, instead of thinking whats going on
[20:42] <NullAcht15> (not in the least because it forces people to look for a real solution)
[20:42] <sleon> davey101: can you run node 24/7 ?
[20:42] <Viperb0y> sleon: I've got nothing to hide
[20:42] <davey101> yes
[20:42] <NullAcht15> Viperb0y: Really? What's your social security number? (note: this channel is logged)
[20:43] <sleon> Viperb0y: what are your sexual prefernces ?
[20:43] <Viperb0y> What the hellis a social security number?
[20:43] <Viperb0y> sleon: "normal" ;)?
[20:43] <sleon> Viperb0y: how normal ?
[20:43] <sleon> :D
[20:43] <mikeDOTd> Viperb0y: US identification for certain benifits
[20:43] <NullAcht15> Viperb0y: oic, you're german. then, what's the ID on your Perso?
[20:44] <Viperb0y> NullAcht15: Why shall I tell you ;)
[20:44] <davey101> sleon why do you ask
[20:44] <sleon> Viperb0y: i mean i hear this : i have nothing to hide again and again ...
[20:44] <sleon> davey101: he says he has nothing to hide ...
[20:44] <sleon> rofl
[20:44] <NullAcht15> Viperb0y: To prove that you have nothing to hide
[20:44] <davey101> sleon why do you ask if I can run 24/7
[20:44] <sleon> davey101: aaa this
[20:44] <sleon> davey101: because when it is 24/7 then you can connect to me
[20:45] <Viperb0y> Hm... my english is to bad to explain.. hm.. anybody can translate?
[20:45] <sleon> if not , ask sbc :D
[20:45] <sleon> ja
[20:45] <sleon> ich kann
[20:45] <Viperb0y> gut
[20:45] <NullAcht15> Viperb0y: Ich bin deutsch
[20:45] <sleon> mit russe , aber seit neuem deutscher geworden ...
[20:45] <sleon> NullAcht15: geil
[20:45] <sleon> lets overthrough this channel
[20:45] <sleon> Revolution!
[20:45] <sleon> you all need learn deutsch now
[20:46] <NullAcht15> More like invasion, but, oh well...
[20:46] <sleon> *joke*
[20:46] <Viperb0y> Naja, wenn die Polizei oder die Regierung kommt dann sollen die sich ruhig umsehene.. hab nichts was ich zu verbergen h??tte :) Nat??rlich prahl ich nicht ??berallrum wie ich hei??e etc. ich gebe die sachen nur raus wenn es sein muss
[20:46] <Viperb0y> Der "Ich habe nix zu verbergen" Satz gilt f??r die Regierung ;) (Doofe CDU)
[20:46] <sleon> When police comes , they are allowed to look around
[20:46] <Viperb0y> Yes
[20:46] <sleon> Surely i do not boast with this
[20:46] <sleon> i allow this things only when i must to
[20:47] <sleon> Viperb0y: do you study ?
[20:47] <Viperb0y> Yes, me too
[20:47] <NullAcht15> Viperb0y: He was attempting to translate waht you said
[20:47] * sleon this was translation ?
[20:47] <Viperb0y> Hm.. no i'ev aborted
[20:47] <sleon> rofl
[20:47] <sleon> Viperb0y: rofl was not to the last line ...
[20:47] <sleon> Viperb0y: why ?
[20:47] <sleon> Viperb0y: what have you studed ?
[20:48] <Viperb0y> Informatik
[20:48] <sleon> Viperb0y: aborted or pruefungsanspuch verloren?
[20:48] <Viperb0y> Aborted :)
[20:49] <sleon> cool
[20:49] <sleon> :)
[20:49] <NullAcht15> Well, anyway, you should keep in mind: Information is power. Information about you is power over you.
[20:49] <Viperb0y> I've found a job.. and it was boring at university.. maybe I'll finish it in the future
[20:50] <Viperb0y> Hm.. nice sentence :) I'll save it :)
[20:51] <NullAcht15> If people have enough knowledge about you, they'll know how to manipulate you. If you're in any sort of negotiation and know hardly anything about the other person, but he knows quite a bit about you, then you're in a bad position
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[20:57] <sleon> right
[20:57] <sleon> social enginearing
[20:57] <sleon> Viperb0y: by the way
[20:58] <Viperb0y> hm?
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