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[2:10] <Zorix> hi guys
[2:11] <Zorix> how goes freenet these days
[2:13] <Eol> he goes
[2:13] <Eol> it
[2:13] <Eol> everything pretty much on hold till .7 comes out
[2:13] <Eol> by christmas even :)
[2:14] <Eol> whooda thunk Ian is Eastern Orthodox and he meant Jan 7
[2:25] <Zorix> lol
[2:25] <Zorix> wow .7 already
[2:25] <Zorix> how well does the network work right now
[2:25] <Eol> .5 does yes
[2:26] <Eol> has its faults but works well
[2:26] <Eol> though I am sure plenty folk here will disagree
[2:26] <Eol> .5 -v- .7 is a point of contention
[2:29] <Zorix> how does .7 testing go
[2:29] <Zorix> well so far?
[2:39] <Eol> not sure .. haven't touched it yet
[2:39] <Eol> its usable from my understanding though and folk are being encouraged to start migrating already
[2:39] <Eol> as .5 and .7 incompatible
[2:39] <Eol> yoru datastore is useless and all prior info lost
[2:40] <Eol> i will migrate in a week or three
[2:40] <Eol> still pulling everything off .5 I am interested in so I can reinsert on .7
[2:47] <Zorix> what is on .5 anyways
[2:47] <Zorix> ive just looked at the freesites
[2:47] <Zorix> downloads never worked on them too well
[2:51] <Eol> it all worked well for distrubed data
[2:52] <Eol> surfing worked o k
[2:52] <Eol> just want' user friendly
[2:52] <Eol> not sure what .7 will add
[2:52] <Eol> to convince the masses to start using it (easy of use being the requirement)
[2:52] <Zorix> hopefully better performance
[2:53] <Eol> i didn't really have issues w/ .5 performance
[2:53] <Eol> was able to pull a couple hundred megs if not a gig a night
[2:53] <Eol> no problem
[2:53] <Eol> prob was just finding grap worth downloading or viewing
[2:53] <Eol> s/gap/crap
[2:53] <Zorix> yea
[2:54] <Eol> not enough interesting data to pull
[2:54] <Zorix> the java really ate my ram
[2:54] <Zorix> harboring some less than legal data as well
[2:54] <Zorix> really not good
[2:58] <Eol> harboring illegal material is ok
[2:58] <Eol> you most likely don't have the full set of keys to reconstrute it
[2:58] <Eol> its all encrypted
[2:58] <Eol> and you can plausible deny it if you live in a country that cares about that kind of shit
[2:58] <Eol> if you live in a country that doens't, you can always just bribe your way out of anything
[2:59] <Eol> yep on java
[2:59] <Eol> but not a fault of freenet
[2:59] <Eol> most java apps on my box eat massive amounts of ram
[3:01] <Zorix> wish freenet was c
[3:01] <Zorix> :/
[3:10] <Eol> yep
[3:11] <Eol> but cross compiling issues in C so understandably java
[3:16] <Zorix> benefits outweigh the problems
[3:16] <Zorix> you watch this whole thing will get too big for java and they will come to find that to be true when its too late
[3:17] <Zorix> people arent gonna get 2gb of ram just so it can be 90% used by java when it can be written in c and only take 50-100mb
[3:20] <Eol> true but you can also optimize java
[3:21] <Eol> there are some fairly large java apps out there that don't have the footprint of freenet
[3:21] <Eol> its never going to go C though
[3:21] <Eol> .7 is pretty much a complete rewrite
[3:21] <Eol> if they were going to switch languages, they would have did it here
[3:21] <Eol> as I believe .7+ will be compat .7
[3:24] <Zorix> hmm
[3:25] <Zorix> cant wait to see it
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[17:22] <sanity> hi all
[17:36] <sleon> hi san
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[17:53] <tasco> I testing your freenet version 07 in command line mode.
[17:54] <tasco> but I not a permanent IP address. my IP address is during 24 hours!
[17:56] <tasco> can I send to you my status all of grandma ?
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[18:10] <tasco> I TheBishop_ read my previous message please
[18:14] <sbc> tasco: I'm not sure what you mean by "grandma", but you can specify a dyndns.org adress instead of your ip when you start the 0.7 node.
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[18:51] <tasco> status
[18:51] <tasco> physical.udp=82.248.234.136:7341
[18:51] <tasco> identity=670330c5422fb18a88122ec283096fd16d253dede0fec5016fe61407f1709d9e
[18:51] <tasco> myName=Node created around 1135707676916
[18:51] <tasco> location=0.02250641006722387
[18:51] <tasco> testnetPort=8341
[18:51] <tasco> testnet=true
[18:51] <tasco> version=Fred,0.7,1.0,305
[18:52] <tasco> End
[18:52] <tasco> warning my status is vrong !
[18:52] <tasco> I'm re-booting freenet 7
[18:55] <tasco> status
[18:55] <tasco> physical.udp=82.251.162.74:7341
[18:55] <tasco> identity=1cf2221ca853abdf165989acdc1dbbd66e36eaff75836bae732471f1332b3fb6
[18:55] <tasco> myName=Node created around 1135709699244
[18:55] <tasco> location=0.8977184919568246
[18:55] <tasco> testnetPort=8341
[18:55] <tasco> testnet=true
[18:55] <tasco> version=Fred,0.7,1.0,305
[18:55] <tasco> End
[18:56] <tasco> this status is good!
[18:57] <tasco> but I not a permanent public IP. he changes on 24 hours.
[18:57] <tasco> so can I continue this test ?
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[19:27] <sbc> tasco: if you have/get a dynamic dns adress from dyndns.org you can specify that adress when you start the node. See http://wiki.freenetproject.org/FreenetAlphatestNodeInstallation for details.
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[21:20] <luthree> To upgrade an old copy of the Alpha do I just download the new cvs snapshot? Or do I need to delete all the files?
[21:31] <sleon_> yes you do
[21:31] <sleon_> luthree: corraaact
[21:41] <luthree> Okay, let me rephrase, Delete all files or just the snapshot?
[21:42] <sleon_> luthree: just the jar
[21:42] <luthree> wonderful!
[21:42] <luthree> Do I loose all my connections?
[21:42] <sleon_> when you only delete jar then no
[21:43] <sleon_> when you delte file named : node-<your chosen port>
[21:43] <sleon_> then you loose you id
[21:43] <sleon_> when you delete peers-<port> then you loose all your peers
[21:43] <sleon_> in both last cases you loose all your connecvtions
[21:43] <sleon_> when you delete *store* you loose you store
[21:43] <luthree> Okay
[21:44] <sleon_> when you delete your *head* then you loose your store
[21:44] <sleon_> when you delete *ext*jar then it will not be able tos tart
[21:44] <sleon_> and will fail because it can't find a class
[21:44] <sleon_> luthree: :P
[21:44] <luthree> Heh
[21:47] <luthree> Huh. Nothing happend. I run it, it goes on about not having anonymity, then gives me back my command line.
[21:50] <sleon_> luthree: that means you need to delete you store
[21:50] <sleon_> luthree: delete all *head* and *store* files
[21:50] <luthree> Thanks
[21:51] <sleon_> and *index*
[21:52] <luthree> Bingo!
[21:52] <luthree> Thanks
[21:54] <luthree> Want to trade node refs?
[21:55] <sbc> luthree: I will. (If sleon will let me :)
[21:56] <luthree> Let me get mine...hang on
[21:56] <sbc> physical.udp=83.72.201.52:9999
[21:56] <sbc> identity=7ed1884046042f654022c2cbc5e2671d7d3cb5b9d229211f4173b344dec6f41a
[21:56] <sbc> myName=Node created around 1135174500296
[21:56] <sbc> location=0.8421045464484904
[21:56] <sbc> testnetPort=10999
[21:56] <sbc> testnet=true
[21:56] <sbc> version=Fred,0.7,1.0,305
[21:56] <sbc> End
[21:56] <sbc> ^-- mine
[21:58] <luthree> physical.udp=tuxulation.homelinux.org:6023
[21:58] <luthree> identity=789e44497573004053d5beeed19c690f25fa9c119ee45b6c51cffb616b34e181
[21:58] <luthree> myName=Node64,1.5jrockit
[21:58] <luthree> location=0.4918389451075602
[21:58] <luthree> testnetPort=7023
[21:58] <luthree> testnet=true
[21:58] <luthree> version=Fred,0.7,1.0,305
[21:58] <luthree> End
[21:58] <sbc> connected!
[21:59] <luthree> Exelent!
[21:59] <sleon_> luthree: whome else are you connected to ?
[22:00] <luthree> Everyone else in my STATUS is offline.
[22:01] <luthree> Tubbie, Bishop(who never added me), and odonata
[22:01] <sleon_> sbc: whome are you connected to ?
[22:01] <sleon_> i have two connections
[22:01] <sleon_> sandos and Jercos
[22:01] <sleon_> and my node is 24/7 up
[22:01] <sbc> sleon:
[22:01] <sbc> CONNECTED 201.218.126.82:6023 Node64,1.5jrockit 0.8421045464484904 Fred,0.7,1.0,305 backoff: 5000 (0)
[22:01] <sbc> CONNECTED 212.202.175.197:12314 TheBishop2 0.6226431267735294 Fred,0.7,1.0,305 backoff: 5000 (0)
[22:01] <sleon_> sbc: nice
[22:02] <sleon_> luthree: how long are you planning to keep node up?
[22:02] <sbc> and my node is not up 24/7 :)
[22:02] <luthree> Me neither.
[22:02] <sleon_> sbc: :(
[22:02] <sleon_> ok then i will not connect to you guys
[22:02] <sleon_> i hope sandos or jerocs is connect to one of you
[22:02] <luthree> Understandable
[22:02] <sleon_> let me test
[22:03] <sleon_> interesting if we still have one network :))
[22:03] <sleon_> i insert now something and you guys try to fetch it
[22:03] <sleon_> :D
[22:03] <sbc> sleon: ok :)
[22:03] <sleon_> freenet:CHK@e4LYk~nDg3E4WaU5w83Zh7QUeciO~ZAtgoSMOerMa4s,hYOu9I-4Kukqt1pllxm3RK-CE4hy~f67NVGg1ALaUl4,AAEA--8/
[22:03] <luthree> Okay...No ping for node huh?
[22:04] <sbc> ok
[22:04] <sbc> Written to freenet-download-a9798ffcb77d59670ef3.bin
[22:04] <sbc> Download rate: 22.18700475435816 bytes / second
[22:04] <sleon_> nice!
[22:04] <sleon_> so we still have a whole net
[22:04] <sleon_> even indirect!!
[22:04] <sleon_> wow
[22:04] <sleon_> ok i am connected to sandos
[22:04] <sleon_> and he is connected to everyone in the unverse
[22:05] <sleon_> this fox
[22:05] <sbc> sleon: URI: freenet:CHK@filQLfxfGR3L1-3Sp4ELX5oGDgdAZcCaq58Ohh~K8tI,qSy~EGxUcG~K891oIS6wV1~41hjcd~Mc-SnlEMPNkvY,AAEA--8/
[22:05] <luthree> Interesting
[22:05] <sleon_> sbc: is it simple text ?
[22:05] <sbc> aye
[22:05] <luthree> Sleon: What is it I'm downloading?
[22:06] <sleon_> freenet:CHK@pr1SMzdZZ9HaghW1Tp-i3Af9VkrjRnxaSrp-bKY7HsU,5YlNevAFP6293FmnF8~fSyL20to9N2xmkO4Nf8cgWWI,AAEA--8/
[22:06] <sleon_> luthree: it is a bytestream
[22:06] <sleon_> luthree: get : url
[22:06] <luthree> Ooops!
[22:06] <sleon_> luthree: will show you direct in the client
[22:06] <sleon_> when you do getfile
[22:06] <luthree> I used getfile
[22:06] <sleon_> it will save into file then you need t o cat it manually
[22:06] <luthree> It daves to file
[22:06] <sleon_> ok then open file
[22:06] <luthree> The other way would have been best, yes
[22:07] <sleon_> luthree: fetch same url with get then :)
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[22:07] <luthree> Yes I can.
[22:08] <sbc> sleon: freenet:CHK@Onnk8ZQFE~ldhVeI1Cxsy~WZWpumkwukyLCaI57kbBk,KLETl0ma3Av91e75lRhED2gAoSXaDPOY6mDTW8MSbEc,AAEA--8/
[22:09] <sbc> so, TheBishop2 is connected to sandos in some way?
[22:09] <luthree> How can I tell if a file is text? Ask?
[22:09] <sleon_> i need to restart node :(
[22:09] <sleon_> luthree: yes
[22:09] <sleon_> :))
[22:09] <sbc> sleon: So, not entiirely 24/7 your node is then?
[22:09] <sleon_> sbc: i can not for this
[22:09] <sleon_> sbc: it runs long time and now i noticed that i do not have ext.jar
[22:10] <luthree> Do I have to ask?
[22:10] <sbc> luthree: yes
[22:10] <sleon_> sbc: 24/7 - 4 seconds
[22:10] <sbc> sleon: I'm gaining on you then.
[22:10] <luthree> Thank you :)
[22:11] <sleon_> sbc: hehe
[22:11] <sleon_> sbc: no,itwasonesecond:)
[22:11] <luthree> That WAS my own falt, I'll admit.
[22:12] <sleon_> ok
[22:12] <sleon_> i insert now a picture ;)
[22:13] <sleon_> freenet:CHK@-qc7FlQ46sDVtxqMRWvTzFSqsKYt7cxeg5QognKIsuM,k4AxPKMbPVVwtfHwn-V
[22:13] <sleon_> YlDYKIT3HLr6kDkZJpo0YqCw,AAEC--8/
[22:13] <sleon_> freenet:CHK@-qc7FlQ46sDVtxqMRWvTzFSqsKYt7cxeg5QognKIsuM,k4AxPKMbPVVwtfHwn-VYlDYKIT3HLr6kDkZJpo0YqCw,AAEC--8/
[22:13] <sleon_> this is a picture
[22:13] <sleon_> so getfile please
[22:13] <luthree> Uhh... This being freenet... Do I want to download it?
[22:13] <luthree> :)
[22:14] <sbc> sleon: Got it.
[22:14] <sbc> luthree: It's "work safe".
[22:14] <sbc> luthree: ... unless you work for Evil Corp or somthing similar :)
[22:14] <luthree> Ohh... Now I have to get it!
[22:15] <sbc> luthree: On the test net there is no real anonymity, so that should keep the worst stuff away.
[22:16] <sleon_> text: freenet:CHK@SQb~2uQtRjKoX4FoZESqsWBTq~uYDmX25x-SPeDN1dM,o9K90Rqa1YWWs~N57r97wxvy6rqrXc-WqB2juhCAUrw,AAEA--8/
[22:16] <luthree> I know, but freenet does have a reputation.
[22:16] <luthree> Which my friends tend to hold over me.
[22:17] <sleon_> what do you mean?
[22:17] <luthree> AND NO. I DO NOT USE FREENET FOR THAT.
[22:17] <luthree> You haave used 0.5?
[22:17] <sbc> sleon: freenet:CHK@IpX3cTX~0UYD7ZKXMdd~8Lmwsh3FqznWBJlYiC0Ni3Y,0bksaVQ52b~5w~QvP4MFgiCQWIHWkqOvSJdooJZv6mg,AAEA--8/
[22:18] <sleon_> luthree: freenet:CHK@-aBLCvCLzfYhxjbrK6fmhebWVIM36tbScBEBU9htcRg,MawgHRKC37mP7oiokl~qy5kpYeTgGQv5TT3Bo8fkys8,AAEA--8/
[22:19] <sleon_> yeo
[22:19] <sleon_> basically for frost
[22:19] <sleon_> do read the stupid discussions on polictics board
[22:19] <sleon_> or how to have sex with dolphin ...
[22:19] <sleon_> *khrm*
[22:21] <sleon_> forst is fun in 0.5
[22:21] <sleon_> everythng else just is slow
[22:21] <sleon_> as hell
[22:21] <luthree> Sleon: freenet:CHK@Ywowz9gzXwRY2LOqHEEiV-gZHLKhNfWkbrFEV9opGZ0,U7oubXfTwSamJlmFKqPZl0w5YywO5y5KcaCQmb4r1SA,AAEA--8/
[22:23] <sleon_> freenet:CHK@TbZcUIg~tZcR8MDZ~kpSBKuvzVPajLsCWt4P09GUBfo,U6daFAiW7mhMJWsdWJiNpzFodidv~q3Xcden8oxsGZQ,AAEA--8/
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[22:30] <sbc> sleon: freenet:CHK@g4ueGQyvuwl24bJ7vBK8BkG~adM3q-6fwLjGC6sWvPs,jD4tp9L~fZQFgmC1x67DslLzqyPeLP4hFNOXFyG0D~w,AAEA--8/
[22:31] <luthree> Sleon: freenet:CHK@x2DBpkTHo6688n7D3lEk9m~FgoDEEwyTBA7WgkFB~g0,Si9QFgY3VwRZ73IlExaIDMgSEIPGKmCrEwZdJxntctY,AAEA--8/
[22:34] <luthree> So when is the release date of 0.7?
[22:35] <sbc> luthree: Christmas 2005 :) But that might have been pushed to "when ever it's ready".
[22:35] <sleon> thx
[22:35] <luthree> I see.
[22:36] <luthree> "Might"?
[22:38] <sbc> luthree: I think that the last official date was christmas 2005. But I also seem to remember toad (the lead developer) say that that was not going to happen - and it would seem that he was right.
[22:38] <sleon> freenet:CHK@SiF2AbeKO-b1V1kaRG65ZzMkMVKMKforfXO8PtfCCC4,XDfX98g6Bk45LhExum-yVFZYL4csKtQPpLXeo1k1KhU,AAEA--8/
[22:38] <sleon> sbc: for you
[22:38] <sbc> sleon: Makes sence.
[22:38] <sleon> luthree: can you reinsert it please, i get route not found
[22:39] <sleon> sbc: :)
[22:39] <sbc> luthree: If you want official release dates, you should wait for toad or sanity to come by and answer you - or ask on the mail lists.
[22:41] <sleon> toad told he will node code any further until after happy new year :D
[22:42] <luthree> Sleon: freenet:CHK@x2DBpkTHo6688n7D3lEk9m~FgoDEEwyTBA7WgkFB~g0,Si9QFgY3VwRZ73IlExaIDMgSEIPGKmCrEwZdJxntctY,AAEA--8/
[22:42] <sleon> thx luthree
[22:42] <sleon> luthree: got it
[22:43] <sbc> sleon: Until after christmas what was I saw him write. But after christmas migth be after new years, I suppose...
[22:43] <luthree> Great
[22:43] <luthree> Ah, at least the alpha is public.
[22:43] <sbc> so one or two months from now might be a guess?
[22:44] * sbc has no idea of how much work needs to be done before the release.
[22:44] <sleon> luthree: freenet:CHK@G6wNqXFDqTrLUtcLyeQ4bzUPJoQB1wK4Yp5CDp2mObM,CKkCSTV9u24u4kCBktlaLnBCyb4LZIQ0URy17b-dllg,AAEA--8/
[22:44] <sleon> sbc: ssk and fproxy
[22:44] <sleon> database backend
[22:45] <sleon> fcp
[22:45] <sleon> tuning and debuging
[22:45] <sleon> thats actually all ... *cough*
[22:45] <sbc> "thats actually all" -- as if that was not enough.
[22:46] <sbc> I would like to change my guess of the release date. 1. of August 2006 is my guess.
[22:46] <sleon> it will become hot when they implement fcp
[22:47] <sleon> FROOOOST :)
[22:47] <sbc> true
[22:47] * sleon *drools*
[22:47] <sbc> hehe
[22:48] <luthree> Sleon: freenet:CHK@hZqPUWa-yywOqRExCfcJfoOfAIi-7aKk613AoZuOuOI,FBDdyvA5HgYAKgcRGu7Xo-zfQEaACKezh9wvD8XMmaw,AAEA--8/
[22:50] <sbc> as the alpha becomes more usefull (as more features get implemented) we might get a more smooth transision from alpha to "official release". With more and more users commeing around to try out the next new thing.
[22:52] <sleon> toad actually droped support for 0.5
[22:52] <sleon> and he wants to implement fproxy and fcp and make ppl chang eto it
[22:52] <sleon> even when it is still unstable
[22:52] <sleon> and needs coding
[22:52] <luthree> That's.... both a good thing and a bad thing, I guess.
[22:54] <sbc> nothing is stoping anyone from comming up with patches etc. for 0.5. And I personally have no problem with toad only working on 0.7. They are both zero-point, releases. If support was dropped for some 1.x release, it might be a bit more fishy.
[22:57] <luthree> I have to go. I'll leave my node on, if anyone I'm connected to comes on.
[22:57] <luthree> See ya!
[22:57] <sbc> see you.
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[22:58] <sleon> kvirc ...
[23:01] <sbc> sleon: freenet:CHK@Ae9jMPX6CNlYSSevQrpzoTsL7ujbqALjlawGjIT6sOk,41s~JhWg3J3jxd-CsKnv-Ej-78gdhHa-~UIRgPXW~oY,AAEA--8/
[23:03] <sleon> freenet:CHK@VVo-gurOxViq5q2V3cudO655fIMMRSklvT4fJoeSSqc,xrtFS533zBeTYheH5aqFYuZGtdimMg1FHJr3oVh~UI8,AAEA--8/
[23:05] <sbc> sleon: CHK@5WgzkzfCkFzTd-CtwJOuVyRrkVHoXv5M~Ed5Qh1Gmxo,NhIow-tw8liXHLg3P-ZrhClsYxf~lOUQWmxS8uNQO2M,AAEA--8/
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[23:07] <sbc> sleon: ok.
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