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[0:10] <danderson> yeah, but I doubt it'll get through to the end.
[0:10] <danderson> but as you said
[0:11] <danderson> it is amusing to note that this amended text now virtually legalizes p2p exchanges, whereas the original text was about deploying DRM and other technical measures to make p2p exchanges impossible
[0:13] <toad_> :)
[0:13] <toad_> well they could do both
[0:13] <toad_> yay, i just paid my tax
[0:13] <toad_> all gone
[0:14] <toad_> well apart from the additional 700 quid for the end of july :(
[0:14] <toad_> all the january tax paid
[0:41] <sleon> danderson: france ?
[0:42] <danderson> sleon: yup
[0:42] <sleon> danderson: so again, nodrm anymore ? :D
[0:44] <danderson> sleon: we'll see. Until the president's signature is appended to the text, I will not believe that anything good can happen.
[0:45] <sleon> danderson: isn't legalizing p2p exchanges good ?
[0:46] <danderson> sleon: maybe.
[0:46] <danderson> sleon: if in the end this means "p2p is legalized but only for files on which strong DRM protection measures are enforced", then no, it's not good.
[0:49] <toad_> ... because that means p2p is banned in general
[0:49] <toad_> and freenet in particular
[0:49] <toad_> and quite possibly also ftp, rsync, etc
[0:49] <toad_> but still, it is promising
[0:50] <toad_> bbl zzz
[0:50] <sleon> but ftp is not p2p
[0:50] <danderson> sleon: aah, but tcp is :)
[0:51] <sleon> huh ?
[0:51] <sleon> you mean every packet will be drm signed ?
[0:51] <toad_> doesn't have to be p2p
[0:52] <toad_> anything capable of transmitting copyrighted data, which does not implement DRM and watermarking, would be illegal, under the SACEM proposals
[0:53] <sleon> toad_: will alpha run with 14 mb virtual ram ?
[0:53] <toad_> sleon: eh?
[0:53] <toad_> 0.7 you mean?
[0:53] <sleon> toad_: yes
[0:53] <toad_> 14M total VM size?
[0:53] <sleon> yes
[0:53] <sleon> 8 mb ram
[0:53] <sleon> and 4 mb swap
[0:53] <toad_> i doubt it very much
[0:53] <sleon> system is dual opteron
[0:53] <sleon> :D
[0:54] <toad_> what's the point of a dual opteron with only 8MB of RAM?
[0:54] <sleon> vserver
[0:54] <toad_> ah
[0:54] <sleon> :p
[0:54] <toad_> so it's 1/100th of a dual opteron
[0:54] <sleon> 1/100 of ram of dual opteron
[0:54] <toad_> and 1/100 of cpu too probably
[0:54] <sleon> it responds very very well
[0:54] <sleon> much better then myp133 :D
[0:55] <toad_> well
[0:55] <toad_> i don't think it will work in 8M
[0:55] <toad_> or even 14M
[0:55] <toad_> you can of course try it
[0:55] <toad_> but i doubt it very much
[0:55] <sleon> is there any way to add swap in userspace ?
[0:56] <toad_> what do you mean by in userspace?
[0:56] <toad_> as in not root?
[0:57] <sleon> as root
[0:57] <sleon> :DD
[0:57] <sleon> toad_: ups
[0:57] <sleon> toad_: ...
[0:57] <sleon> toad_: it is not 8 mb
[0:57] <sleon> toad_: it is 8 GB!!!!!!!
[0:57] <sleon> :)))
[0:57] <sleon> hrrrr
[0:58] <sleon> i confused bytes with kbytes and mbytes
[0:58] <sleon> but there are real limitations
[0:58] <sleon> let me try to find out limits
[0:59] <sleon> vmguarpages 0 56,248 9,223,372,036,854,778,606 4KB pages Memory allocation guarantee
[0:59] <Eol> hey toad, something came up on one of the frost lists and curious if there has been much talk about it i the .7 design philophsy .. isn't allowing private p2p trust darknets in freenet going to restrict ppl to only peering w/ trusted ppl. The prob is this means non-trustworthy ppl (lets say ppl who post state secrets) will never be members of private darknests and be restricted to use public net ... as most ppl will be private members, public
[0:59] <Eol> members will be easily to traffic analyze
[0:59] <Eol> or am I missing something
[0:59] <sleon> Eol: there will be also opennet
[0:59] <Eol> yes but opennet will be limited in number
[1:00] <Eol> as most ppl will peer privately
[1:01] <sleon> oomguarpages 14,666 56,248 9,223,372,036,854,778,606 4KB pages
[1:01] <Eol> or at least will if ppl hold true to thousands of years of greed and privatization of public or common goods
[1:01] <sleon> oomguarpages 14,666 56,248 9,223,372,036,854,778,606 4KB pages
[1:03] <sleon> sleon@v10018:~> dd if=/dev/zero of=test bs=1000M count=2
[1:03] <sleon> letss see
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[1:07] <sleon> nice
[1:07] <sleon> i have now really nice vserver
[1:07] <sandos> ulimit -acdflmnpstuv
[1:07] <sandos> do that =)
[1:07] <sleon> core file size (blocks, -c) 0
[1:07] <sleon> data seg size (kbytes, -d) unlimited
[1:07] <sleon> file size (blocks, -f) unlimited
[1:08] <sleon> max locked memory (kbytes, -l) unlimited
[1:08] <sandos> aha ok
[1:08] <sleon> max memory size (kbytes, -m) unlimited
[1:08] <sandos> hmm right
[1:08] <sleon> open files (-n) 1024
[1:08] <sandos> heh, of course.
[1:08] <sleon> pipe size (512 bytes, -p) 8
[1:08] <sleon> stack size (kbytes, -s) unlimited
[1:08] <sleon> cpu time (seconds, -t) unlimited
[1:08] <sleon> max user processes (-u) 73728
[1:08] <sleon> virtual memory (kbytes, -v) unlimited
[1:08] <sleon> sleon@v10018:~>
[1:09] <sandos> I want a new opteron system...
[1:09] <sleon> sleon@v10018:~> free
[1:09] <sandos> cheap opterons are impossible to get by in Sweden though..
[1:09] <sleon> total used free shared buffers cached
[1:09] <sleon> Mem: 8096620 7477096 619524 0 1535576 906456
[1:09] <sleon> sandos: why
[1:09] <sleon> sandos: :D
[1:09] <sleon> oomguarpages 14,666 56,248 9,223,372,036,854,778,606 4KB pages
[1:09] <sleon> sandos: it costs only 15 eyros a month
[1:09] <sleon> unlimited traffik
[1:09] <sleon> model name : AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 246
[1:09] <sleon> dual
[1:10] <sleon> flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext lm 3dnowext 3dnow
[1:10] <sandos> where is this hosted?
[1:10] <sleon> germany
[1:10] <sandos> ok
[1:10] <sleon> is it importnant ?
[1:10] <sandos> no ;)
[1:12] <sleon> i hope that most other 100 users on this machines are dumb plesk users
[1:12] <sandos> hha
[1:13] -lilo- [Global Notice] Good morning, everyone. We'll be restarting a number of servers later this morning, and the restarts will affect most of our users. For more information, please see the news page: http://freenode.net/news.shtml . Thanks for your patience, and thank you for using freenode!
[1:13] <toad_> Eol: no, most people will use opennet, because *it is easier*
[1:13] <toad_> but darknet will be safer
[1:13] <toad_> the "dissident on the run" thing has always been a problem
[1:13] <toad_> bbl
[1:14] <Eol> not quite sure darknet will be safer
[1:15] <Eol> a private network of 20 peers will always be easy to analyze (lets say you only darknet and refuse to use opennet)
[1:17] <sleon> http://213.83.30.118/ :)))
[1:20] <sandos> hehe
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[6:40] -lilo- [Global Notice] Hi all. The server restarts we did a few minutes ago, the ones announced about 6 hours ago ( http://freenode.net/news.shtml ), are mostly complete. There will probably be a few small server restarts, but considerably fewer users will be affected. Thanks for your patience and understanding, and thank you for using freenode!
[6:59] -lilo- [Server Notice] Hi all. You're on one of the two remaining servers to be reupped. I'm going to go ahead and do that now. Your latencies should improve some after we finish. Thanks for your patience.
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[12:27] -lilo- [Global Notice] Hi all. As you may be aware, about 6 hours ago freenode restarted a number of servers per the news article posted yesterday evening ( http://freenode.net/news.shtml ). In the process of restoring the network, a number of users lost their identifications to NickServ.
[12:27] -lilo- [Global Notice] If you're no longer identified to NickServ, you may want to manually reidentify or restart your client. Thanks, and thank you for using freenode!
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[18:13] * Topic is 'http://freenetproject.org | Stable: Upgrade to 5106 | Unstable:60275 |Channel logs: http://emu.freenetproject.org/irc/ | #freenet-alphatest retired, 0.7 folks ask here instead | DO NOT use the freenet packages supplied by debian! | A fresh install of freenet will take some time to become useful, be patient'
[18:13] * Set by toad_|xmas on Thu Dec 22 11:52:27 UTC 2005
[18:14] <nextgens> sbc> fixed :)
[18:14] <nextgens> bbl
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[18:49] <phyzlo> Hi nextgens
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[19:23] <phyzlo> anyone here?
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[22:42] <ryaxnb2> i get error C:\DOCUME~1\Ryan\Desktop\DOWNLO~1>java -xmx 128 M -cp freenet-ext.jar;freenet-cv
[22:43] <ryaxnb2> s-snapshot.jar freenet.node.Node 4000 ryaxnb2.dyndns.org
[22:43] <ryaxnb2> Invalid maximum heap size: -Xmx
[22:43] <ryaxnb2> Could not create the Java virtual machine.
[22:43] <ryaxnb2> annoying error. Any help?
[22:44] <ryaxnb2> my java version is (build 1.5.0_06-b05, mixed mode, sharing) and i'm running freenet .7 alpha
[22:45] <cyberdo> ok.. first of all:
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[22:45] <cyberdo> #freenet-alphatest
[22:46] <sandos> no space between -Xmx200M
[22:46] <sandos> no spaces afaik
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[22:46] <sandos> uhm
[22:46] <cyberdo> second: no space in "-Xmx128M"
[22:46] <ryaxnb2> ok
[22:46] <sandos> #freenet-alphatest is retired according to the topic in there
[22:46] <cyberdo> exactly ;o)
[22:46] <sandos> so this is the right place
[22:46] <cyberdo> oh... didn't notice that
[22:47] <sandos> people just did not notice=)
[22:47] <ryaxnb2> Now I get Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: M
[22:47] <sandos> or havent been here
[22:48] <ryaxnb2> now it works
[22:48] <sandos> ok
[22:49] <sandos> now you need to connect to someone
[22:49] <ryaxnb2> thanks
[22:49] <ryaxnb2> I've go tmy friend who should help me with that
[22:49] <sandos> ok
[22:49] <sandos> and is he connected to the rest of us?
[22:50] <Jercos> yes i hope so!
[22:50] <sandos> hehe k ;)
[22:52] <Jercos> smains and sleon took off...
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