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[0:08] <nextgens> Bombe> still here ?
[0:08] <nextgens> Bombe> some mistakes on the server AFAIK
[0:08] <Bombe> Yep.
[0:08] <nextgens> Bombe> please send me an other password hash
[0:09] <nextgens> htpasswd2 -s
[0:09] <nextgens> Bombe> and know we are using svn you know ;)
[0:09] <Bombe> nextgens, I don't have svn access yet. I'm not sure I even know how svn works. :)
[0:09] <nextgens> almost like cvs
[0:09] <nextgens> but we aren't using cvs anymore
[0:10] <nextgens> Bombe> https://emu.freenetproject.org/svn/
[0:10] <Bombe> Does it work with Eclipse? :)
[0:11] <nextgens> yes
[0:12] <nextgens> but you'll need subeclipse
[0:12] <nextgens> http://subeclipse.tigris.org I think
[0:12] <Bombe> Yes, thought so... already looking for it.
[0:12] <nextgens> Bombe> can you send me a temporary password in /query and I'll set up you svn account
[0:13] <Bombe> Sure.
[0:13] * nextgens is checking thoses "bad links"
[0:14] * Bombe is looking for a machine he has access to that has apache installed... ;)
[0:14] <nextgens> or send a clear text non valuable password
[0:14] <nextgens> you'll be able to change it afterwards
[0:17] <Bombe> Nah, just managed. :)
[0:19] <nextgens> Bombe> https://emu.freenetproject.org/index.html
[0:19] <nextgens> there you can change it afterwards if you'd like
[0:20] <Bombe> Okay.
[0:20] <Bombe> First I have to get subclipse up and running. (And downloaded via analog modem... :)
[0:21] <nextgens> sbc> http://downloads.freenetproject.org/freenet-stable-latest.bz2 doesn't exist !
[0:22] <nextgens> sbc> is there a broken link on the webpage ?
[0:22] <nextgens> it shouldn't exist btw
[0:22] <sbc> yes.
[0:22] <nextgens> http://downloads.freenetproject.org.nyud.net:8090/freenet-stable-latest.tgz is working here
[0:22] <nextgens> sbc> can you fix it ? :)
[0:22] <sbc> i would have changed it to the .tgz, but I had problems getting that file.
[0:22] <sbc> I can.
[0:23] <sbc> Are you sure the .tar file is ok? Have you tried unpacking it?
[0:23] * nextgens is trying form an other location
[0:23] <nextgens> here it works but through a proxy server
[0:24] <Elly> how about .tar.bz2?
[0:24] <nextgens> does http://downloads.freenetproject.org works for you ?
[0:24] * sbc tries downloading the file again...
[0:24] <nextgens> without the proxy it doesn't work here
[0:25] <nextgens> might be in cache :/
[0:25] <nextgens> well, coralcache might be broken :<
[0:25] <sbc> http://downloads.freenetproject.org works for me.
[0:26] <nextgens> does anyone know if toad is off/seek/died ? :-D
[0:26] <sbc> think i got the whole file now.
[0:27] <sbc> .. but that is a source package. What should be linked to for the unix package?
[0:27] <nextgens> erf
[0:27] <nextgens> I'm looking for it
[0:29] <nextgens> root@emu:/var/www/downloads# ll freenet-stable-latest.*
[0:29] <nextgens> -rw-r--r-- 1 svn-build 1012 2590918 2005-11-18 23:37 freenet-stable-latest.jar
[0:29] <nextgens> lrwxrwxrwx 1 svn-build 1012 39 2005-11-18 23:38 freenet-stable-latest.src.tar.bz2 -> /var/www/downloads/freenet-20051118.tgz
[0:29] <nextgens> lrwxrwxrwx 1 svn-build 1012 39 2005-11-18 23:37 freenet-stable-latest.tgz -> /var/www/downloads/freenet-20051118.tgz
[0:29] <sbc> whats wrong with http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/freenet-latest.tgz ?
[0:29] <nextgens> ok, here is the problem
[0:29] * nextgens is fixing
[0:30] <nextgens> sbc> the url will be http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/freenet-stable-latest.tgz
[0:30] <sbc> and not: http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/freenet-latest.tgz ?
[0:30] <nextgens> but CC will need to refresh its cache
[0:30] <nextgens> as you'd like
[0:30] <sbc> They are the same file, or one is binary and other is source?
[0:31] * sbc does not control CC
[0:31] <nextgens> source will be http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/freenet-stable-latest.src.tgz
[0:31] <sbc> ok.
[0:31] <nextgens> neither do I
[0:31] <sbc> Maby someday, but not right now :)
[0:32] <nextgens> sorry
[0:32] <nextgens> err
[0:32] <nextgens> source will be http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/freenet-stable-latest.src.tbz
[0:33] <nextgens> source is bzipped and binary is gzipped
[0:33] <Bombe> *sigh* another 1.8 MB download...
[0:33] <Bombe> Those darn software developers are wasting my bandwidth!
[0:35] <nextgens> ok, snapshoots should update
[0:36] * nextgens is deleting old stufs
[0:36] * nextgens is deleting old stuffs
[0:36] <nextgens> tomorrow snapshoots should be fine
[0:37] <nextgens> so, to sum up, urls will be :
[0:37] <nextgens> http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/freenet-stable-latest.src.tbz
[0:37] <Bombe> ?oO( snapshoot, v. - the are of creating a snapshot. )
[0:37] <nextgens> http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/freenet-stable-latest.tgz
[0:37] <Bombe> s/are/art/
[0:37] <nextgens> and same with -unstable
[0:37] <nextgens> Bombe> sorry for my poor english :/
[0:38] <Bombe> nextgens, ah, don't worry, "snapshoot" sounds like you're actually doing something. ;)
[0:40] <nextgens> ^-^
[0:40] <Bombe> w00p! Subclipse downloads are finished!
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[7:28] <Rainhead> I'm having some trouble downloading seenodes.ref.bz2, could someone send me one?
[7:28] <Rainhead> And hi, by the way
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[11:43] <sbc> nextgens: here?
[11:53] <sbc> nextgens (and others): I fixed two more dead links now, but I'm not sure I have linked to the right files. Since I don't relly understand the automagic snapshots update process, it might be the wrong files I have linked to. Pleas confirm that it is working as intende now.
[11:56] <sbc> also, shouldn't there be a 0.7 unstable snapshot? I have only been able to find 0.5 and 0.6 source snapshots. (But thats another discussion, I'm just throwing it out there.)
[11:56] <sbc> ... and where is Toad? :)
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[12:51] <sbc> nextgens: 404 errors on the downloads page. File does not exist: /home/groups/f/fr/freenet/htdocs/snapshots/freenet-stable-latest.src.tbz
[12:51] <nextgens> is should :/
[12:52] <nextgens> and it's ont emu now
[12:52] <nextgens> sbc> erf
[12:53] <nextgens> sbc> corrected
[12:53] <nextgens> update in progress
[12:54] <sbc> yay, go corrections :)
[12:55] <nextgens> sbc> the download site is now downloads.freenetproject.org
[12:55] <nextgens> not SF anymor
[12:55] <nextgens> not SF anymore
[12:56] * nextgens thought he had fixed that already
[12:56] <NullAcht15> May I mention that the wiki ist still down?
[12:57] <nextgens> NullAcht15> known issue, will fix ^-^ soon ;)
[12:57] <nextgens> this afternoon hopefully
[12:57] * nextgens has to go
[12:57] <nextgens> seeya
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[15:16] <nextgens> hi
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[15:43] <nextgens> hi sanity :)
[15:43] <nextgens> toad_> It's now almost sure that we lost the wiki's database on SF
[15:44] <nextgens> the update process isn't showing up on the webinterface but there is still no database on the mysql4 server :/
[15:44] <nextgens> now it remains two options :
[15:45] <nextgens> either to contact SF's staff
[15:45] <nextgens> or to start a new wiki from scratch
[15:45] <nextgens> sanity> it might be helpfull to have your point on that
[15:48] <NullAcht15> nextgens: I would suggest starting a new Wiki from scratch, and with a different wiki software. The software the first wiki ran on was gighly frustrating
[15:48] <sanity> NullAcht15: do you have a recommendation?
[15:48] <nextgens> which one would you advise ?
[15:49] <nextgens> dokuwiki is fine IMHO
[15:49] <nextgens> Wikka too
[15:49] <sanity> nextgens: i don't mind, if we can port the old wiki over easily then we should, if not we should start again from scratch
[15:49] <NullAcht15> Well, many sites are using moinmoin. It works reliably, has a well-known markup language and doesn't require a db
[15:49] <nextgens> sanity> the problem is that we have lost the db
[15:49] <sanity> NullAcht15: what happens to it if someone does a global rm -rf / on sourceforge?
[15:50] <nextgens> NullAcht15> won't fit out our purpose afaik
[15:50] <nextgens> as we can't "subversionize" it
[15:50] <NullAcht15> sanity: 1) that's what backups are for 2) If you're afraid that might actually happen, don't use sourceforge
[15:50] <sanity> it is unbelievable that sourceforge would delete everyone's databases, fucking morons
[15:51] <nextgens> they did as they have migrated from mysql3 to 4 ...
[15:51] <NullAcht15> nextgens: what wiki can be "subversionized" and what exactly does that wordmean?
[15:51] <nextgens> and we haven't migrated in due time
[15:51] <sanity> nextgens: i don't really care too much what wiki software we use, provided it is comparable to what we used before (Wikka IIRC)
[15:52] <sanity> but we need to get a wiki back up
[15:52] <nextgens> NullAcht15> all the website tree is aviable on SVN (subversion - a CMS)
[15:52] <NullAcht15> nextgens: so?
[15:52] <nextgens> sanity> ok
[15:52] <NullAcht15> nextgens: your point being?
[15:53] <nextgens> and if moinmoin is using a SQlite database, it can't enter subversion easily
[15:53] <nextgens> as the database will change each time you access/edit it
[15:53] <nextgens> and our repository is outside SF's world
[15:53] <nextgens> ie, not reachable from their servers
[15:54] <NullAcht15> nextgens: It's not using SQLite, it's using flatfiles. Well, then the actual wiki files would have to be excluded from subversionising
[15:54] <nextgens> NullAcht15> I don't have any point on that ; I'm not using the wiki :)
[15:55] <nextgens> NullAcht15> same problem... how do you backup them ?
[15:55] <NullAcht15> nextgens: Well, I have been using the wiki and have written some stuff in it, and I shall be a little upset if my stuff were to just disappear a second time
[15:55] <nextgens> with mysql, I'll set up a cron wich will dump the database somewhere
[15:55] <NullAcht15> How's backing up flatfiles any problem?
[15:55] <sanity> flat files are out, every time we use the some idiot does a rm -rf / on sourceforge and they get deleted if they are world writable
[15:56] <nextgens> and I'll fetch it from emu
[15:56] <NullAcht15> well, okay, another suggestion: media-wiki. It works with mysql, it is known to work reliably, everyone who know wikipedia knows how to use it
[15:57] <nextgens> to heavy IMHO
[15:57] <NullAcht15> Oh, and why exactly do we have to use sourceforge's hosting at all?
[15:57] <nextgens> to spare bandwidth usage on emu
[15:58] <NullAcht15> hm...
[15:58] <nextgens> but it would be cool to get rid of them ... agreed :)
[15:58] <nextgens> sanity> does hosting a wiki on emu with CoralCache seems possible ?
[15:58] <nextgens> or can't it work as CC is caching "to much" ?
[15:58] <NullAcht15> nextgens: I highly doubt it
[15:59] <NullAcht15> A wiki is probably too dynamic for that
[15:59] <nextgens> we were using Wikka
[15:59] <NullAcht15> How much traffic do you suppose the wiki will generate anyway? 500 MB/month?
[16:00] <nextgens> don't know
[16:00] <nextgens> according to SF's stats, the overal b/w usage was 2Gb/month
[16:00] <nextgens> on average
[16:00] <nextgens> but with downloads on it
[16:00] <nextgens> so as we are now using CC it must be less
[16:01] <NullAcht15> so, the website might weigh into it at (rough estimate) 250MB
[16:01] <nextgens> I don't even know what our bandwidth allowance is :$
[16:01] <nextgens> NullAcht15> ask sanity ;)
[16:01] <NullAcht15> maybe between 250 and 750
[16:01] * nextgens is setting it back up on SF
[16:02] <NullAcht15> _My_ bandwidth-"allowance" is 500GB/month
[16:02] <nextgens> lucky you
[16:02] <NullAcht15> I could easily host it, but I could see how the freenet project would have a problem with that
[16:02] <nextgens> it depends I guess
[16:03] <nextgens> if we can fetch a dump of the db on a regular basis, ... might be feasible
[16:03] <nextgens> but again, ask sanity ; he is the project's leader
[16:05] <NullAcht15> I could just send you a regular db-snapshot done by a cron-job, problem is, how do you know that it's legit?
[16:12] <NullAcht15> Whatever is eventually done about it, I strongly suggest not using Wikka again. It had very unfinished, unpolished, not-thought-through feel to it. It's markup was the least logical and useful I've seen yet. t ahad some reliability issues even before the thing with the sf-db
[16:13] <NullAcht15> (although you could argue that those qualities make it a perfect fit for the overall freenet experience...)
[16:13] * nextgens is setting up Wikka back
[16:13] <nextgens> :P
[16:13] <NullAcht15> ...
[16:13] <nextgens> NullAcht15> open a thread on @devl or @chat ;)
[16:14] <NullAcht15> Maybe I should just set up my own wiki and try to compete with the official one....
[16:14] <NullAcht15> I really don't feel like working with Wikka again
[16:14] <nextgens> btw I don't think we need a wikki ... maybe a new website but not a wikki
[16:14] <NullAcht15> I am convinced we need a wiki
[16:15] <NullAcht15> The freenet documentation is in a horrible state, and I don't see that changing anytime soon /wo a wiki
[16:16] <nextgens> http://www.freenetproject.org/wiki/
[16:16] <nextgens> is it reachable
[16:16] <nextgens> ?
[16:16] <NullAcht15> no
[16:16] <nextgens> here it says connection refused
[16:16] <NullAcht15> the whole machine is unreachable
[16:16] * nextgens hates SF
[16:17] <nextgens> freenet.sf.net too
[16:17] <NullAcht15> wah?
[16:17] <nextgens> so it's definitly yet an other sample of SF suckage
[16:17] <NullAcht15> How's that possible without sf being down as a whole?
[16:17] <nextgens> not the whole website I guess
[16:18] <nextgens> but the box hosting our project, surely
[16:18] <nextgens> [nextgens@sc8-pr-shell1 wiki]$ uptime
[16:18] <nextgens> 08:17:58 up 36 days, 19:39, 51 users, load average: 14.84, 13.94, 13.58
[16:18] <NullAcht15> sf.net _is_ down...
[16:18] <nextgens> :<
[16:19] <nextgens> not aviable when I've time to work on it :(
[16:19] <NullAcht15> aviable? how come everybody makes the same strange typo with that word?
[16:20] <NullAcht15> Well, at least the Internet Oracle is still up...
[16:20] <nextgens> sorry
[16:20] <nextgens> my English is poor and I know it :/
[16:24] <NullAcht15> I wasn't even talking about your english. I was just somewhat surprised that I've seen the typo "aviable" a number of times lately, although it's actually quite far from "available"
[16:25] <NullAcht15> editing distance of 3. That's the same distance as between "mom" and "dad", for example
[16:43] <NullAcht15> nextgens: did you change things so that visitors of the wiki are automatically redirected to emu?
[16:46] <nextgens> yes
[16:46] <nextgens> I'm setting up a new wiki
[16:46] <nextgens> please hold on :)
[16:46] <NullAcht15> this time in emu?
[16:47] <nextgens> yes
[16:47] <nextgens> will be
[16:47] <NullAcht15> And....
[16:47] <NullAcht15> what wiki engine?
[16:47] <nextgens> Wikka
[16:47] <nextgens> sorry :)
[16:47] <nextgens> but feel free to ask on MLs
[16:47] <nextgens> if you get some support, we might change
[16:48] <nextgens> but please wait for me to have finished before raising the problem
[16:48] <nextgens> so people will be able to test Wikka
[16:48] <NullAcht15> Well, I guess I should do it quickly then. If I ask for change too late, people won't want it because they'd lose existing content...
[16:49] <NullAcht15> or at least the history
[17:05] * nextgens made a tipo on sanity's name :$
[17:05] <nextgens> correcting
[17:05] <nextgens> btw the wiki is up
[17:05] <nextgens> NullAcht15> working for you ?
[17:06] <sanity> nextgens: good job :-)
[17:06] <NullAcht15> works
[17:10] * nextgens is putting back referrer blacklisting
[17:10] <nextgens> to avoid spamming
[17:11] <nextgens> NullAcht15> I'm to lazzy to write on mls that the wikki is back up ... please send your mail wich will I think turns into a flamewar :)
[17:12] <nextgens> turns^wturn
[17:15] * nextgens is including the wiki into backup scripts
[17:17] <NullAcht15> hm, flame-baiting.....
[17:18] <NullAcht15> do ordinary users have write-permission on announce?
[17:19] <nextgens> afaik no
[17:19] <nextgens> at least, it's moderated
[17:22] <NullAcht15> well, I'll post to tech and support then
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[18:58] <osh> Is this a known error?
[18:58] <osh> Could not bind to listening port(s) - maybe another node is running?
[18:58] <osh> Or, you might not have privileges to bind to a port < 1024.
[18:58] <osh> No other node is running
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[19:05] <TheBishop_> Wischmop
[19:05] <TheBishop_> sorry
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[19:12] <osh> Anyone here who can help me understand why my node stopped working?
[19:14] <sanity> osh: not just now, i suggest you email support@freenetproject.org for help
[19:16] <osh> sanity: Ok. It's not that important anyway. I'll figure it out eventually.
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[20:32] <toad_> hi folks
[20:37] <toad_> i can't believe we never backed up the wiki...
[20:37] <toad_> i even did some work on it
[20:38] <NullAcht15> toad_: now that you mention "I can't believe we never backed up x", I've really got to update my own backup scripts, too...
[20:39] <toad_> I back up svn
[20:39] <toad_> but somehow i managed to not back up the wiki
[20:39] <toad_> probably because i didn't know of any easy way to extract the content of the wiki
[20:41] <NullAcht15> theoretically, a mysql_dump would have done it.
[20:42] <toad_> Subject: [freenet-dev] freenet development:: FreeWiki
[20:42] <toad_> would somebody please reply to this?
[20:42] <toad_> nextgens: ?
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[21:51] <nextgens> hi
[21:51] <nextgens> I'm back
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[23:40] * NullAcht15 (n=NullAcht@dslb-082-083-246-072.pools.arcor-ip.net) Quit ("I find your lack of taste disturbing.")
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