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[0:01] <toad_> i dunno
[0:01] <toad_> "i prefer linux" ?
[0:02] <Elly> no I mean
[0:02] <Elly> TV show warez
[0:02] <Elly> linux-happy
[0:02] <toad_> ah
[0:02] <Elly> she knows I use linux even
[0:02] <toad_> hmmm
[0:05] <toad_> depends on your politics, ethics etc
[0:05] <toad_> figure it out :)
[0:06] <toad_> personally, "give to caesar what is caesar's"
[0:06] <Elly> uhh
[0:06] <Elly> I meant more from a romance POV
[0:06] <toad_> i have no idea
[0:07] * unknown_ is now known as NullAcht15
[0:07] <toad_> sorry
[0:07] <Elly> well
[0:07] <Elly> how many girlfriends/boyfriends have you had? oO
[0:07] <NullAcht15> funny idea to ask a question like this in this channel, of all places...
[0:08] * toad_ hasn't had any boyfriends ;)
[0:08] <NullAcht15> toad_: btw, are you aware that the wiki has been down for some days now (and still is)?
[0:09] <toad_> NullAcht15: yeah, nextgens said he'd fix it...
[0:09] <toad_> probably i ought to
[0:09] <toad_> i don't know how though
[0:09] <toad_> it would be easier for nextgens to do it
[0:09] <NullAcht15> it says it can't reach the mysql server
[0:09] <toad_> yes, sf migrated from mysql 3 to mysql 4
[0:09] <NullAcht15> Maybe the mysqld just needs restarting?
[0:09] <Elly> well
[0:09] <Elly> how many girlfriends then?
[0:10] <NullAcht15> *awkward silence*
[0:10] <toad_> Elly: this channel is logged
[0:11] <toad_> i'm not embarrassed by such information, but generally speaking it's regarded as private
[0:12] <toad_> anyway premarital sex is against my religion
[0:12] <Elly> girlfriend doesn't imply sex, toad_, sheesh
[0:12] <Elly> I'm just asking how many girls you have had relationships with
[0:13] <toad_> what's a relationship then if it isn't with a view to sex?
[0:13] <toad_> i've had a number of women friends, but none romantically
[0:13] <Elly> love?
[0:14] <toad_> love in the depressing modern sense implies sex
[0:14] <Elly> so use the old sex, stop being so cynical, and tell us the answer :P
[0:14] <Elly> old SENSE
[0:14] <Elly> fuck you freud
[0:14] <toad_> i'm not anti-romantic, i'm just skeptical of the whole dating game
[0:15] <Elly> doesn't that get sorta lonely?
[0:15] <toad_> not really
[0:15] <toad_> it might if it wasn't for church and living with family, but it's not an issue at the moment
[0:16] * Elly shrugs
[0:16] <toad_> so, i'm not really in a position to give advice on such matters :)
[0:16] <Elly> ah well
[0:17] <Elly> I asked buu and he said she wants to be ravished passionately :D
[0:17] <Elly> quid pro quo sort of thing
[0:18] <toad_> 1. To seize and carry away by violence; to snatch by force.
[0:18] <toad_> 2. To transport with joy or delight; to delight to ecstasy.
[0:18] <toad_> 3. To have carnal knowledge of (a woman) by force, and
[0:18] <toad_> against her consent; to rape. --Shak.
[0:18] <toad_> you get the idea :)
[0:19] <Elly> yes I do
[0:19] <Elly> do you want to get married, toad_?
[0:20] <toad_> Elly: eventually, probably; whatever the Lord's will is
[0:20] <Elly> how will you know?
[0:20] <toad_> perhaps by falling in love?
[0:21] <toad_> i dunno :)
[0:21] <NullAcht15> toad_: I'm always a little shocked whenever I get reminded that you're actually a rather religious person...
[0:21] <Elly> yeah, me too
[0:21] <Elly> I viewed you as kind of a hardnosed anarchocapitalist
[0:21] <toad_> NullAcht15: :)
[0:21] * toad_ is shocked at that statement
[0:21] <Elly> what with working on freenet and all
[0:21] * toad_ hates anarchocapitalism even more than marxism
[0:22] <Elly> heh
[0:22] <toad_> i have some sympathy for libertarian socialism
[0:22] <Elly> wait, how is church a social thing? I thought you didn't talk
[0:22] <toad_> hmm?
[0:23] <Elly> ?
[0:23] <toad_> we get plenty of social contact. how can we care for one another's needs if we don't know one another well enough to know what they are?
[0:23] <Elly> my friend says you can't talk during mass
[0:23] <toad_> different church, and anyway mass isn't everything
[0:23] <NullAcht15> Elly: If many people gather together, there's always some talk and exchange of experiences. Maybe not during the ceremony, but certainly before and after
[0:23] <Elly> ah well
[0:24] <toad_> you're not supposed to talk when you should be worshipping (unless you bring something to the front), or listening to the sermon
[0:24] <Elly> I guess I'm missing out on a valuable social opportunity or something
[0:24] <toad_> before, and after, people talk lots
[0:24] <toad_> often about football, cars, TV and other unspiritual things :)
[0:24] <toad_> and of course there's homegroup
[0:25] <Elly> ?
[0:25] <NullAcht15> Elly: You don't have to go a church for social occasions. there are plenty of other opportunities
[0:25] <toad_> gathering of ~ 3-15 xtians in somebody's home
[0:25] <toad_> we have drinks, we socialise, we pray, we discuss the sermon, we have more drinks, we socialise more, we go home
[0:26] <Elly> drinking is good
[0:26] <toad_> or something like that
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[0:27] <Elly> sounds fun
[0:27] <toad_> not normally alcoholic drinks at homegroup :)
[0:27] <Elly> my friend's always going on about his youth group
[0:27] <toad_> although the church doesn't itself condemn alcohol, since EVERYONE in the bible drank plenty of it
[0:28] <toad_> (it does condemn drunkenness though :) )
[0:28] <Elly> what's your position on abortion?
[0:28] <toad_> Elly: I'm involved in the church's outreach to 6-11 yr olds
[0:29] <Elly> cool
[0:29] <Elly> why do you reach out to them?
[0:29] <toad_> Elly: well, lets see. if a woman has a baby prematurely at say 26 weeks, then kills the baby because she doesn't want it, she's guilty of murder. if on the other hand, she kills it at 26 weeks *before* its been born, this is abortion. HRRRRRM!
[0:29] <toad_> infanticide has been very common in many western countries, as recently as the 19th century
[0:29] <toad_> for all the same reasons as abortion
[0:30] <Elly> I'm in favor of killing babies personally
[0:30] <Elly> what about gay marriage?
[0:30] <toad_> Elly: curious
[0:30] <toad_> Elly: you mean you're in favour of abortions?
[0:30] <toad_> well errm the right to have abortions
[0:31] <Elly> no no
[0:31] <Elly> I was kidding
[0:31] <Elly> I'm just in favor of killing babies
[0:31] <Elly> preferably with hammers
[0:31] <toad_> i'm in favour of killing people who kill babies with hammers :)
[0:31] <toad_> anyway
[0:31] <Elly> that's not very christian of you
[0:32] <toad_> kidz klub.. why do we reach out to kids? because it's one of the best times to reach them
[0:32] <Elly> judge not, lest ye be judged
[0:32] <Elly> but what's your position on gay marriage?
[0:32] <toad_> Elly: there is a need for justice however. i'm not totally convinced on capital punishment, but "life" (out in 5, or 40 years) is unacceptable
[0:33] <toad_> Elly: that's a harder one. i'd have to say it's not marriage. i haven't quite figured out all the whys and hows though.
[0:33] <Elly> why isn't it?
[0:33] <toad_> now, should gays be allowed to make a public commitment, and have the same rights as heterosexual couples? maybe
[0:33] <Elly> I can't think of any reasoning why not
[0:34] <toad_> Elly: why not what?
[0:35] <toad_> why isn't gay marriage == marriage? well, it isn't biblically marriage. :)
[0:35] <Elly> what about 'civil unions'?
[0:35] <toad_> i'm not against a means to make a legal covenant, whether or not it has a sexual element, with the legal/financial effect of marriage
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[0:36] <toad_> but the civil unions they brought in here are gay marriage by another name; the ceremony required by law is plainly a gay marriage ceremony
[0:36] <toad_> maybe we should take this to #freenet-chat?
[0:36] <Elly> mmm, marriage
[0:36] <Elly> why?
[0:36] <Elly> it's not like this channel is busy
[0:36] <toad_> since folks are arriving...
[0:36] <toad_> true
[0:36] <toad_> Elly: sorry, why what?
[0:36] <Elly> why go to #freenet-chat
[0:37] <toad_> in case tethra or danderson has a real freenet question :)
[0:37] <Elly> well
[0:37] <Elly> I hope gay marriage is legal by the time I'm that old
[0:37] <tethra> i don't ;)
[0:37] <Elly> why?
[0:37] <tethra> that was at toat_
[0:37] <tethra> toad_, evn
[0:37] <tethra> +e
[0:37] <Elly> ah
[0:37] <toad_> i like civil partnerships anyway, but it needs to be something which can be entered into by any two people regardless of lust
[0:38] <toad_> or sex
[0:38] <toad_> or romantic love
[0:38] <toad_> if gays use that to construct a gay marriage ceremony, that's their affair
[0:38] <toad_> personally i wouldn't call that marriage
[0:40] <Elly> I'd like to get married some day ^^
[0:40] <toad_> Elly: the bible says some very strong things about homosexuality. that doesn't mean i think it should be illegal.
[0:41] <toad_> any more than adultery should be illegal
[0:41] * tethra mouthes the words "secular state"
[0:41] <toad_> right
[0:41] <toad_> i agree
[0:41] <toad_> it's great if there are christians in the state, but there must be a separation. the state does not control the church, and the church does not control the state.
[0:42] <tethra> (which also means religious views on marriage are simply for the religious, and anyone who doesnt subscribe to their definition is free to do so)
[0:42] <tethra> (it doesn't have to happen in a church, either.)
[0:42] <toad_> well, i dunno re gay marriage
[0:42] <toad_> certainly it is good to have something for gays who want to make a public commitment
[0:42] <tethra> why the opposition to calling it marriage?
[0:43] <tethra> if it is invalid in the eyes of the church then the church can deem it invalid, as i daresay there won't be many christian gays who want to marry, right?
[0:43] <toad_> there are many actually
[0:43] <Elly> you'd be surprised
[0:44] <toad_> there's a homosexual bishop in the states
[0:44] <tethra> hmm
[0:44] <tethra> point :/
[0:44] <toad_> not all christians have the same approach to or interpretation of scripture
[0:44] <toad_> personally i'd describe myself as the intellectual end of the evangelical wing
[0:45] <toad_> i.e. i take scholarship seriously (partly because my dad is a scholar), and i'm not a creationist, but i believe in the authority of scripture for morality, faith and conduct
[0:45] <Elly> damn those fundamentalists
[0:45] <toad_> s/creationist/young-earth-evolution-denier/
[0:46] <tethra> so you're a nonsecular humanist, essentially?
[0:46] <toad_> Elly: one interesting argument is that in biblical times there was no such thing as a committed homosexual relationship; they were all pretty polygamous
[0:46] <toad_> tethra: no, i believe in god
[0:46] <Elly> and now there are ;O
[0:46] <Elly> nonsecular, toad_
[0:46] <tethra> toad_: hence the non-secular part?
[0:47] <Elly> secular means you don't believe in god
[0:47] <toad_> well, there's some baggage that goes with "humanist"
[0:47] <tethra> oh?
[0:47] * tethra hasn't heard of any :/
[0:47] <toad_> i'd be reluctant to define myself in those terms
[0:47] <tethra> baggage of what nature?
[0:48] <toad_> well, humanism sets itself up as a para-religion
[0:48] <tethra> true :/
[0:48] <tethra> well, secular humanism does
[0:49] <tethra> the ideal itself is, as with most things, being lost to an establishment :/
[0:49] <toad_> :)
[0:49] <Elly> THE ESTABLISHMENT
[0:49] <toad_> the church struggles with establishment as much as anything else does
[0:49] <tethra> f$)k the man, man!
[0:49] <tethra> ;)
[0:49] <toad_> look at the medieval church, or much of the modern (especially american) church
[0:50] <tethra> true
[0:51] <tethra> i'm off, now. toodles.
[0:51] <toad_> ethics-wise re humanism... the second is like it: love your neighbour as you love yourself
[0:51] <toad_> i suppose that give
[0:51] <toad_> that gives me something in common with most people who try to do the right thing
[0:51] <tethra> aye, that's pretty much it.
[0:51] <Elly> somebody set us up the DRM crack
[0:52] <tethra> haha
[0:52] <toad_> other people are AT LEAST as important as you are
[0:52] <tethra> yep.
[0:52] * tethra disappears into a puff of smoke.
[0:55] <toad_> the difference with christianity is god. he is just, merciful, and good. he forgives us our sins, through the incarnation, death and resurrection of christ, and gives us power to overcome them. he rewards us who deserve death for our good works, because we are forgiven. and he punishes those who are not forgiven for their sins. because he is just, as well as merciful.
[0:56] <toad_> it is largely (not entirely) an unprovable faith, but it is the best way i know to live, and it's who i am
[0:56] <NullAcht15> could we please try not to turn this channel into a religion channel?
[0:57] <toad_> it's Elly's fault :)
[0:58] <toad_> Elly: why aren't you involved in the 0.7 alpha test?
[0:58] <toad_> i'm completely stuck on this bug :(
[0:59] <toad_> as soon as i start the FEC encode, most of the rest of the node grinds to a halt
[1:00] <toad_> and we get DataInsert timeouts
[1:00] <toad_> and the inserts fail
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[1:36] <Elly> I was, toad_
[1:36] <Elly> but I'm fucking busy now
[1:36] <Elly> 4 AP classes and honors physics kicked in
[1:37] <toad_> :)
[1:37] <toad_> ok
[1:37] <Elly> AP statistics, AP calculus, AP french V, AP English
[1:37] <Elly> and honors physics
[1:37] <Elly> and prep for AP Law & Gov
[1:37] <Elly> and Electronics :-\
[1:38] <Elly> so I don't have time to do sleep or hygeine
[1:38] <Elly> much less 0.7 testing
[1:39] <toad_> what's AP?
[1:39] <Elly> advanced placement
[1:39] <Elly> college-level courses taken in high school
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[6:02] -lilo- [Global Notice] Hi all. We're experiencing some routing problems between Europe and the US. We may need to reroute. Please bear with us.
[6:22] <TheSeeker> wheee
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[11:57] <toad_> oooh
[11:58] <sandos> oh what? )
[11:58] <toad_> bristol wireless, our community wifi network and techie-social-action group, just got a free 512-bursting-to-10M leased line
[11:58] <sandos> nice!
[11:59] <sandos> a free??
[11:59] <sandos> how? =)
[11:59] <toad_> i wonder if that's confidential... oh well
[11:59] <toad_> it won't be for long
[11:59] <toad_> there's no way we can afford the ten grand a year it would usually cost
[11:59] <sandos> I can imagine =)
[12:00] <toad_> also has 10M to various regional high-bandwidth stuff - educational stuff, cultural stuff, etc
[12:23] <toad_> 10M or more
[12:24] <toad_> anyway
[12:24] <toad_> i need to debug this impossible bug
[12:24] <toad_> i will first check whether it's a JVM problem
[12:24] <toad_> after lunch
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[12:55] * toad_ lol @ PrototypeX29A 's alternate nick
[12:55] <sandos> =)
[13:01] <PrototypeX29A> ed209 is registered by someone else :(
[13:05] <toad_> big surprise there :)
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[13:06] <PrototypeX29A> i had to choose a movie, thats so bad, noone would ever choose it as nick
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[13:10] <toad_> hi folks
[13:15] * toad_ struggles with bizarre bugs again
[13:15] <toad_> encoding... wait for the bang...
[13:15] <toad_> bang
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[13:22] <sandos> :)
[13:31] <toad_> we're sending a whole load of packets, and they are arriving more or less in order...
[13:33] <toad_> we want them to ack a packet which we sent ages ago
[13:33] <toad_> and we throw because it's 266 packets before the present
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[16:20] <nextgens> toad_> ?
[16:20] <nextgens> here ?
[16:20] <nextgens> I'm effraid we have lost the mysql database on SF :-S
[16:20] <nextgens> These instructions and the MySQL 3.23 server will be deprecated for the MySQL 4.1.x installation. Follow those instructions instead for any new databases, as this host will go offline in November, 2005. Projects should migrate their data to the MySQL 4.1.x hosts no later than November 1, 2005.
[16:20] <nextgens> https://sourceforge.net/docs/E07/#mysql
[16:20] <nextgens> https://sourceforge.net/project/admin/database.php
[16:21] <nextgens> I've launched something that seems to be a "migration" but I'm not sure it will perform well
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[16:21] <nextgens> I hadn't got any mail from them saying that they were decapreting their old database :/
[16:22] <nextgens> mysql
[16:22] <nextgens> freenet Pending Update
[16:22] <nextgens> I hope it will work
[16:23] <nextgens> if it doesn't :<
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[16:32] <nextgens> do we have any backup ?
[16:32] <toad_> dunno
[16:32] <toad_> nextgens: hi
[16:33] <nextgens> hi toad_ :)
[16:33] <toad_> nextgens: if we have to reconstruct the wiki from scratch, could you tie it into SVN so that it gets backed up?
[16:34] <nextgens> not as the data is stored in mysql not the filesystem
[16:34] <toad_> yeah i suppose we need separate arrangements
[16:34] <nextgens> there is an unmaintened PoC called subwiki wich does that ...
[16:34] <toad_> unless we actually use a svn-based wiki
[16:34] <nextgens> but it remains an "unmaintened PoC" :-D
[16:35] <toad_> unmaintained is bad
[16:35] <toad_> it's just that the code is valued, and widely backed up
[16:35] <toad_> that's not the case for the wiki
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[16:36] <nextgens> well, if we do host in on emu, we can write a small cron which will backup the mysql db ...
[16:36] <nextgens> that's not a big deal
[16:37] <nextgens> I doubt that SF policy is allowing us to do that on their servers ... If they do, we can "pull" the backup on emu
[16:37] <nextgens> [17:35] <-- | sanity has quit ()
[16:37] <nextgens> erf
[16:37] <toad_> well, we have better bandwidth on sf
[16:38] <toad_> that's the main thing really
[16:38] <toad_> we can't coralcache the wiki
[16:38] <toad_> but otoh, it's only a wiki
[16:38] <nextgens> maybe we^ian should write a mail to SF's admins, asking if thei still have and old backup or something allowing us to recover the db
[16:38] <toad_> i doubt it
[16:38] <toad_> we could try
[16:39] <toad_> i'm an sf admin as well as ian
[16:39] <toad_> i can make you one if you like :)
[16:39] <nextgens> ian gave me the flag too
[16:39] <toad_> well, i'm presently debugging some bizarre transport level bugs
[16:40] <toad_> i think probably we ought to do the migration to i2p's ssu code soon
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[16:40] <nextgens> hi sanity :)
[16:40] <toad_> wb sanity
[16:40] <toad_> sanity: we lost the wiki :(
[16:41] <sanity> lost it?
[16:41] <nextgens> well, it's not sure but it seems that the migration process won't succeed
[16:41] <nextgens> https://sourceforge.net/project/admin/database.php?group_id=978
[16:41] <toad_> sf migrated from mysql 3 to mysql 4, and it looks like they may have lost the old databases
[16:41] <sanity> deliberately?
[16:41] <nextgens> toad_> they haven't ...
[16:41] <sanity> i find that hard to believe
[16:41] <toad_> they did give us advance warning of this, but we didn't take advantage of it
[16:42] <nextgens> but we were supposed to do the migration ourselves before November
[16:42] <toad_> nextgens: we have the database?
[16:42] <toad_> nextgens: so what's the problem/
[16:42] <toad_> ?
[16:42] <nextgens> no, as the server isn't reachable anymore
[16:43] <nextgens> but we were supposed to do the migration when both were aviable (the v4 and the old one)
[16:43] <toad_> right
[16:43] <toad_> sorry, this is probably all my fault
[16:43] <nextgens> I doubt they have deleted the old content as it's still showing up on the admin page
[16:43] <nextgens> but it's not recoverable by us
[16:43] <toad_> well then we can extract it, even if the server isn't running ?
[16:44] <nextgens> so I think we should write them a mail explaining our problem
[16:44] <toad_> good idea
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[16:44] <toad_> support requests often go dormant for months on end...
[16:45] <nextgens> toad_> we can't ... the server is probably still up but not reachable for us
[16:45] <nextgens> :|
[16:45] <toad_> so by the time they actually read our email it may well be that they HAVE deleted the data
[16:45] <toad_> anyway what are we going to do?
[16:45] <nextgens> I think that we should fill in a form for support request ...
[16:45] <nextgens> and hope :/
[16:46] <toad_> you happy to do it?
[16:46] <nextgens> if it doesn't succeed, we will restart an other wiki from scratch
[16:46] <nextgens> toad_> no, I won't have time, sorry
[16:46] <toad_> hmm, ian is incommunicado
[16:47] <toad_> no skype
[16:47] <toad_> <h1>We're Sorry.<br>
[16:47] <toad_> The SourceForge.net Website is currently down for maintenance.<br>
[16:47] <toad_> We will be back shortly</h1>
[16:47] <toad_> helpful :)
[16:48] <nextgens> it works here using https
[16:48] <toad_> this is using https
[16:49] * toad_ trying to fetch the backups page
[16:51] <toad_> nextgens: they haven
[16:51] <toad_> they haven't automatically migrated the database have they?
[16:51] <toad_> nextgens: tell me about the migration request ?
[16:52] <nextgens> toad_> http://www.webdav.org/wiki/projects/SubWikiTODO
[16:52] <nextgens> no, they haven't yet as we haven't requested it
[16:52] <nextgens> I just did
[16:53] <nextgens> but I think the migration script is supposed to work when both dataservers were up
[16:53] <toad_> okay, subwiki is crap
[16:53] <nextgens> anyway, we will see what will happen
[16:53] <toad_> ok
[16:53] <nextgens> http://subwiki.tigris.org/
[16:53] <nextgens> :|
[16:53] <toad_> so i don't need to do anything at the moment?
[16:54] * toad_ tries to get into our phpadmin...
[16:54] <nextgens> I suggest to wait a bit ... tomorrow or so before trying to contact them
[16:54] <nextgens> it works
[16:54] <nextgens> but there is no database so far
[16:54] <toad_> ah, so i can't log in
[16:55] <toad_> fair enough
[16:55] <nextgens> you should be able to
[16:55] * nextgens was able to
[16:55] <toad_> |The username and password for the phpMyAdmin installation matches that of the database usernames and passwords.
[16:55] <nextgens> yes, but new ones ;)
[16:55] <toad_> how do i log in?
[16:55] <nextgens> https://phpmyadmin-f.sourceforge.net/
[16:56] <nextgens> f978admin
[16:56] <nextgens> and the password is on https://sourceforge.net/project/admin/database.php?group_id=978
[16:57] <nextgens> and here it works :?
[16:57] <toad_> "No databases"
[16:58] <toad_> :(
[16:58] <toad_> ok we'll see if the migrate works
[16:58] <toad_> if we have to construct a new wiki from scratch, we need to look seriously at backup arrangements
[16:58] <nextgens> I have to do the same on emu
[16:58] <nextgens> ATM nothing is backuped
[16:58] <toad_> yes
[16:58] <nextgens> whereas it should ^-^
[16:59] <toad_> although i backup the SVN repo
[16:59] <nextgens> with SVK ?
[16:59] <nextgens> or just a working copy ?
[16:59] <nextgens> if you don't want to lose the history, svk is the way to go IMHO ...
[16:59] <toad_> with rsync
[17:00] <nextgens> on emu, I'm planning to do a svndump and to backup it
[17:00] <toad_> i believe that svn is able to rollback any pending transactions in the case of a crash, so that should be adequate
[17:00] <nextgens> danderson> any thought about that ? :)
[17:01] * nextgens needs to talk to Ian about backups
[17:02] <nextgens> should I backup "non freenet related" things or not ?
[17:02] <toad_> well, those are likely ian's other projects
[17:03] <nextgens> I know but as wee are sharing the same host, it might be interresting not to duplicate effort
[17:07] <toad_> ask him
[17:07] <toad_> ian @ freenetproject.org :)
[17:09] <toad_> i2np
[17:09] <toad_> probably on the right track
[17:19] <toad_> hmmm
[17:19] <toad_> found it
[17:19] <toad_> i'm not sure
[17:19] <toad_> i suppose i should debug our stuff some more
[17:20] <toad_> "Did not receive DataInsert" is caused by random long delays on threads, which are caused by... god knows what
[17:21] <toad_> they have something to do with the CPU load caused by the encode, even though the encode is at minimum priority
[17:21] <toad_> hmmm
[17:21] * toad_ investigates one again
[17:28] <toad_> the packet receiver thread is supposed to have max priority...
[17:37] * toad_ tries a nonredundant insert
[17:38] <toad_> just in case it's not related to the encode
[17:38] <toad_> hmmmm
[17:41] <toad_> aha
[17:41] <toad_> all the errors occur without the encode
[17:41] <toad_> that's a useful piece of info
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