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[10:59] * linyos writes his email to the list
[10:59] <linyos> this is gonna take a while
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[12:36] <nextgens> http://www.zdnet.fr/actualites/internet/0,39020774,39286440,00.htm
[12:37] <nextgens> a proposal to deny P2P software wich is not bundling DRM
[12:37] <nextgens> in french sorry
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[12:38] <nextgens> according to the newspaper, they are going to pass this law during christmas in order to prevent an eventual debate :<
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[13:56] <toad_> how do i tell postfix to block lolut.utbm.info ?
[13:56] <toad_> nextgens: hi
[14:02] <toad_> nextgens: blech. well in the short run it could play in our favour
[14:02] <toad_> but the question is will we see such nonsense more widely in europe
[14:03] <toad_> sadly i think it is inevitable... i have thought that for some time
[14:03] <toad_> anonymous peer to peer is based on a fundamental distrust of the established legal, media and political systems
[14:04] <toad_> it is therefore a threat to the establishment, and will be quashed
[14:04] <TheSeeker> toad: are there any plans for integration of any kind of search in freenet 0.7? or will that remain a job of a spider or 3rd party application layer?
[14:16] <toad_> not for 0.7.0
[14:16] <toad_> well *probably* not for 0.7.0
[14:17] <toad_> we'll see how things go
[14:17] <toad_> it wouldn't be too hard, but it would require a spider at some point
[14:17] <toad_> with optional human supervision for filtering of content, spam, topics, etc
[14:18] <toad_> there are two architectures; both require a spider. one uses published indexes (which is possible with 0.7.0), one uses pseudo-TCP (which is possible with 0.8's 1:1 streams)
[14:18] <toad_> (or passive requests)
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[14:19] <toad_> yay i have arranged to meet two MEPs... scary
[14:21] <nextgens> toad_> don't block it !
[14:21] <nextgens> toad_> it's our backupMX :)
[14:21] <toad_> nextgens: don't block what?
[14:21] <toad_> hmmm
[14:21] <nextgens> but it's not yet greylisting ...
[14:21] <toad_> so why is it probing us for usernames?
[14:21] <nextgens> that's why it spams
[14:21] <toad_> well yeah but is it an open relay or something? somebody has been running a dictionary spam on emu
[14:21] <toad_> through it
[14:22] <nextgens> I get thoses mails too
[14:22] <toad_> oh
[14:22] <toad_> does it violate the RFC and encourage spam in order to save bandwidth?
[14:22] <nextgens> no, I think it's only a spammer sending infected zip files to random addresses through windows-zombies
[14:22] <toad_> specifically by telling the client whether a username exists?
[14:23] <nextgens> I'll install a greylisting thing on it an we won't receive them anymore ...
[14:23] <toad_> i.e. does it reject mail at the TO stage of the request?
[14:23] <nextgens> but I don't have time right now :|
[14:23] <toad_> if so, that is very bad...
[14:23] <toad_> but understandable
[14:23] <toad_> well it wouldn't affect emu... hmmm
[14:23] <toad_> do we do the above?
[14:24] <toad_> i don't think so... how to check?
[14:24] <nextgens> yes, they should get a return saying if the username exists or not
[14:24] <toad_> that's against the RFC, and it allows spammers to do dictionary probes
[14:24] <toad_> people do it because it saves bandwidth
[14:24] <nextgens> there is a SMTP command to ensure the delivery address is correct or not :
[14:24] <nextgens> CRFY
[14:24] <toad_> but it just generates more long term spam
[14:24] <nextgens> VRFY sorry
[14:24] <toad_> yes and it isn't supported by most mailers nowadays
[14:25] <toad_> HELO amphibian.dyndns.org
[14:25] <toad_> 250 emu.freenetproject.org
[14:25] <toad_> VRFY matthew
[14:25] <toad_> 502 VRFY command is disabled
[14:25] <toad_> including dodo
[14:25] <toad_> what's the command for recipient?
[14:25] <toad_> MAIL FROM i've got...
[14:26] <nextgens> erf
[14:26] <nextgens> it does work on lolut.utbm.info
[14:26] <nextgens> I'll whange that
[14:26] <nextgens> change
[14:26] <toad_> nextgens: change that, or drop lolut
[14:26] <toad_> please
[14:26] <toad_> :)
[14:26] <nextgens> hehe :)
[14:26] <toad_> now, to business
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[14:26] <nextgens> toad_> but anyway, they are not using it ...
[14:27] <nextgens> because we shouldn't get discarded mails
[14:27] <toad_> nextgens: well why are they dictionary attacking emu then?
[14:27] <nextgens> if they where
[14:27] <toad_> yeah
[14:27] <toad_> that's true
[14:27] <nextgens> no, it's not dictionnary :)
[14:27] <nextgens> they are just sending infected files (probably a trojan) to random addresses ???
[14:27] <nextgens> ...
[14:28] <toad_> i suppose
[14:28] <nextgens> and they are using robots on zombies boxes ...
[14:28] <toad_> but it's a lot of traffic
[14:28] <nextgens> with a non RFC-compliant MTA ...
[14:28] <nextgens> and that's why it was blocked by greylisting
[14:29] <nextgens> but as the backup MX doesn't do greylisting yet, it works :<
[14:29] <nextgens> I'll change that too ... but not yet :$
[14:29] <toad_> ok...
[14:32] <toad_> thanks
[14:32] <toad_> good luck with your exams
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[14:34] <nextgens> thanks :)
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[20:09] <toad_> hehe, we can have 1GB segments if we don't mind an encode rate of 1kB/sec :)
[20:09] <toad_> 16MB segments with an encode rate of 73kB/sec are probably the most interesting
[20:11] <toad_> i suppose i should make segment size a parameter of the splitfile codec...
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[20:27] <nextgens> toad_> ok, now there is a postgrey daemon on the backupMX :
[20:28] <nextgens> we shouldn't get spam anymore :))
[20:30] <toad_> yay
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[21:13] * hobx never gets spam.
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[21:37] <toad_> hobx: you don't read your email
[21:44] <hobx> actually, it is all I do.
[21:46] <toad_> then how come you don't get spam?
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[22:10] <linyos> not even spammers like him
[22:10] <linyos> (much less women)
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[22:11] <linyos> and my -tech email is only half written...
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[23:19] <hobx> toad_: I kinda thought spam was a solved problem. I just don't get any anymore.
[23:19] <toad_> hobx: you use what exactly to achieve this?
[23:20] <hobx> I dunno. All the spam ends up in a folder called "spam". Very helpful.
[23:21] <hobx> on my other account it came marked with a spamassassin score from the isp, so I filter on that.
[23:22] <toad_> we tried to run spamassassin on dodo and it killed postfix
[23:23] <hobx> well, I don't think it works to run it locally.
[23:23] <hobx> The trick is that big mail providers can easily see spam because they get so much.
[23:29] <toad_> only if they can identify it
[23:29] <toad_> that generally takes human beings
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