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[0:55] <Nr19> hia all
[0:59] <linyos> yo
[1:00] <Nr19> so ya all are freenet experts..:) so a noob like me can ask some ques?
[1:02] <linyos> sure.
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[1:09] <Nr_19> LOL.. Gf tripped in the NW-cable
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[1:18] <Nr1> any server admins here ?
[1:20] <Nr1> linyos see yer pm..
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[1:24] <Nr1> nobody alive here ?
[1:26] <linyos> yeah, ask, it's fine.
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[1:32] <Nr1> I have installed freenet and confed my firewall.. but loading the "mainpage" take ages, at least to get the thumbnails by the links is this normal ?
[1:33] <linyos> yeah, it is very slow.
[1:33] <linyos> hopefully the next version will be faster.
[1:34] <Nr1> but will it be faster after the node has been running a while ?
[1:34] <linyos> yes
[1:35] <Nr1> ah good..
[1:37] <Nr1> where can I find refs?
[1:37] <Nr1> besides the "standard" one..
[1:38] <linyos> it'll learn new refs as it runs.
[1:38] <linyos> so just leave it on for a few days.
[1:39] <Nr1> ah ok..
[1:39] <Nr1> sorry bout the noob questions..
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[5:33] <linyos> heh, freenet is totally dysfunctional.
[5:33] <linyos> nothing works.
[5:37] <TheSeeker> how so?
[5:38] <linyos> oh, i just installed the 0.5 node and it's all route not found.
[5:38] <TheSeeker> where did you get your seednodes from?
[5:39] <linyos> i'm using the default ones.
[5:39] <TheSeeker> try the ones at http://downloads.freenetproject.org/seednodes
[5:39] <TheSeeker> the ones in /snapshots are old :/
[5:40] <linyos> ah, now the thumbnails are loading.
[5:40] <nextgens> linyos> try with thoses on downloads.freenetproject.org ;)
[5:41] <nextgens> however they should be the same
[5:42] <TheSeeker> I was told that the seednodes were going there now, and the ones in /snapshots weren't updating anymore...
[5:42] <linyos> $ ll seednodes.ref ~/freenet/seednodes.ref
[5:42] <linyos> -rw-r--r-- 1 linyos linyos 11803090 2005-11-07 00:39 /home/linyos/freenet/seednodes.ref
[5:42] <linyos> -rw-r--r-- 1 linyos linyos 10613175 2005-10-18 08:08 seednodes.ref
[5:42] <linyos> they are not the same.
[5:43] <TheSeeker> hmm, but the one in snapshots looks to only be a day behind now, instead of a couple weeks old...
[5:44] <nextgens> TheSeeker> they should be updating too
[5:44] * nextgens is searching the root of the problem
[5:47] <linyos> ~/foo/freenet$ grep physical.tcp seednodes.ref | cut -d= -f2 | sort > old
[5:47] <linyos> ~/foo/freenet$ grep physical.tcp ~/freenet/seednodes.ref | cut -d= -f2 | sort > new
[5:47] <linyos> ~/foo/freenet$ diff -u old new | wc -l
[5:47] <linyos> 542
[5:47] <linyos> they are very different.
[5:58] <TheSeeker> estimators probably change on a day to day basis... if they are one day apart in updating, that might explain the differnces.
[5:59] <TheSeeker> I don't exactly understand what your grep line did though, so I'm talking out of my ass.
[6:00] <linyos> extract sorted lists of addresses
[6:01] <TheSeeker> what does: cut -d= -f2 do?
[6:03] <linyos> second '=' delimited field
[6:03] <linyos> physical.tcp=host:port
[6:03] <linyos> extracts 'host:port'
[6:04] <TheSeeker> so... cut, delimiter = '=', return field 2?
[6:04] <linyos> yeah.
[6:06] <nextgens> any apache expert out of there ?
[6:06] * nextgens is trying to use AliasMatch on apache1 ...
[6:07] <linyos> no clue
[6:07] <nextgens> something wich was working on apache2 but not on 1 :-S
[6:07] <nextgens> AliasMatch ^(.*?)/__apache_readme_name$ /var/www/common/HEADER.ptml
[6:09] <linyos> maybe __apache_readme_name isn't being pre-processed.
[6:09] <nextgens> Syntax error on line 1137 of /etc/apache/httpd.conf:
[6:09] <nextgens> Regular expression could not be compiled.
[6:10] <nextgens> yes, maybe
[6:10] * nextgens is looking for something equivalent
[6:10] <linyos> that wouldn't make the regexp invalid though.
[6:10] <nextgens> I'm using HeaderName __apache_header_name afterwards
[6:11] <linyos> is '?' a valid operator?
[6:11] <nextgens> erf, it's working without :))
[6:12] <nextgens> thanks
[6:12] <nextgens> linyos> http://downloads.freenetproject.org/
[6:12] <nextgens> now it looks better
[6:12] <linyos> heh
[6:12] <nextgens> doesn't it ? :)
[6:13] <linyos> you should add some pictures of slutty girls
[6:13] <TheSeeker> http://downloads.freenetproject.org/icons/binary.gif <- missing!
[6:19] <nextgens> TheSeeker> fixed
[6:19] <nextgens> linyos> should I ? :)
[6:20] <linyos> sure. and give it a black background with animations of motorcycles, fires, and bombs exploding.
[6:20] <linyos> skulls and crossbones
[6:21] <linyos> hmm.
[6:22] <linyos> old seednodes file: 80/193 nodes online.
[6:22] <linyos> errr
[6:22] <nextgens> how do you probe them ?
[6:22] <nextgens> pinging ?
[6:22] <linyos> old seednodes file: 80/273 nodes online.
[6:22] <nextgens> my node isn't responding to pings
[6:22] <nextgens> linyos> how do you probe them ?
[6:22] <linyos> new seednodes file: 147/304 nodes online.
[6:23] <linyos> nextgens: tcp connections with a one second timeout
[6:23] <linyos> #!/usr/bin/ruby -Ku
[6:23] <linyos> require 'socket'
[6:23] <linyos> require 'timeout'
[6:23] <linyos> STDIN.each do |line|
[6:23] <linyos> host, port = line.split(/:/);
[6:23] <linyos> begin
[6:23] <linyos> timeout(1) { socket = TCPSocket.new(host, port.to_i) }
[6:23] <linyos> rescue Exception
[6:23] <nextgens> they could be overloaded too ;)
[6:23] <linyos> puts "#{host}:#{port.to_i} did not reply. (#{$!})"
[6:23] <linyos> else
[6:23] <linyos> puts "#{host}:#{port.to_i} seems online."
[6:23] <linyos> end
[6:23] <linyos> end
[6:23] <linyos> ah
[6:23] <nextgens> </flood>
[6:24] <linyos> still it gives you some idea of what's up with the network.
[6:24] <nextgens> no, as nodes in the seedfiles are often under heavy load ;)
[6:26] <nextgens> I'm trying to understand why SF's seednodes aren't updated
[6:27] <nextgens> HUH
[6:27] <nextgens> # Now separate out the unstable seednodes - build 6xxx
[6:27] <nextgens> ~/bin/cleannodes.sh seednodes.ref unstable.ref 1-60264
[6:27] <nextgens> ~/bin/cleannodes.sh seednodes.ref temp.ref 1-5098
[6:27] <nextgens> ~/bin/cleannodes.sh temp.ref seednodes.ref 6000-99999
[6:27] <nextgens> find the bug ;)
[6:28] * nextgens is wondering why 1-5098 is hardcoded
[6:30] <nextgens> let's do some cleanup
[6:33] <nextgens> ok, we will see if that works
[6:33] <nextgens> I deleted unstable refs. are they are now useless
[6:34] <nextgens> I deleted unstable refs. as they are now useless
[6:37] <linyos> how often do you weed out the unresponsive nodes?
[6:38] <linyos> doesn't really matter though.
[6:39] <nextgens> I don't :
[6:39] <nextgens> the scripts is fetching nodesref from various sources ...
[6:39] <nextgens> >15 ATM
[6:40] <TheSeeker> unstable nodes showing up in seednodes.ref then I take it?
[6:40] <nextgens> and then, their is a cleanup script on version number ... a duplication filter and that's all
[6:40] <nextgens> TheSeeker> both networks are merged now
[6:41] <nextgens> TheSeeker> your stable node will talk to unstable ones
[6:41] <TheSeeker> I'm running latest unstable :p
[6:41] <nextgens> so, it will talk to stable nodes ;)
[6:41] <TheSeeker> I know, but that wasn't the question
[6:41] <nextgens> TheSeeker> which version is it showing up ?
[6:42] <TheSeeker> the question was if version 6xxxx nodes were represented in seednodes.ref now, if you're tossing unstable.ref
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[6:43] <nextgens> TheSeeker> they should as soon as the updating script will refresh current seeds
[6:43] <nextgens> ... it's a matter of hours
[6:45] <nextgens> maybe not in the next revision though ...
[6:45] <nextgens> it's running since now more that 15mins ...
[6:46] <nextgens> and not yet done :|
[6:46] <TheSeeker> zzz
[6:46] <nextgens> even seednodes updating sources aren't aviable sometimes :/
[6:47] <nextgens> *than
[6:58] * nextgens is forcing-reload the updating script
[7:01] <nextgens> URLs Connections Bytes Time Kbyte/s
[7:01] <nextgens> done+ fail/ total errs cur/max done/total pass left cur/avg
[7:01] <nextgens> 2+ 13/ 24 22 2/20 11434612/11434612 03:24 00:00 0/54
[7:01] <nextgens> erf
[7:10] <nextgens> here are my stats :
[7:10] <nextgens> http://code.bulix.org/869
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[7:11] <nextgens> stables users are more up-to-date :)
[7:13] <nextgens> Saved 345 unique nodes to seednodes.ref
[7:14] <nextgens> ok, now I'm sure the updating script is working \o/
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[7:14] <nextgens> TheSeeker> linyos> could you check now please ?
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[7:56] <linyos> not working
[7:56] <linyos> http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/freenet-latest.tgz still has 273 nodes in its file.
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[8:07] <linyos> 79 nodes accepting connections
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[8:18] <nextgens> linyos> tarballs aren't updated :)
[8:18] <nextgens> I don't think they were previously
[8:18] <nextgens> sanity> hi
[8:19] <nextgens> sanity> should snapshot tarballs be updated in order to provide up to date seedref files ?
[8:20] <nextgens> bbl, I'll read chanlogs
[8:22] <linyos> why would they not be?
[8:23] <nextgens> because they need to be repacked every time
[8:23] <nextgens> and that It isn't a big deal to download them separately ...
[8:24] <nextgens> but if needed, I can make them bundeled "up to date"
[8:24] <nextgens> and moreover, it implies re-pushing them to SF ... and will break hashs if there is any
[8:25] * nextgens doesn't think that a "tagged" version tarball should be updated afterwards
[8:27] <linyos> well, we can see how bad and out of date the snapshot's seednodes are today.
[8:27] <linyos> 79 versus 147 working nodes.
[8:27] <linyos> (nothing worked for me until i installed the new seednodes file.)
[8:28] <nextgens> linyos> fill in a bug report on https://bugs.freenetproject.org so ;)
[8:30] <linyos> it won't let me sign up.
[8:30] <nextgens> it should
[8:30] <linyos> the "sign up" link does nothing.
[8:30] * nextgens will fix if it isn't
[8:30] * nextgens is testing
[8:31] <nextgens> erf
[8:31] <nextgens> I'll try to fix it
[8:55] <nextgens> I dunno how to "fix" it properly :<
[8:56] <nextgens> can't mantis use RewriteRules as it should ?
[8:56] * nextgens doesn't understand what's going on
[8:56] <nextgens> only registered users can create a new account ...
[8:56] <nextgens> very usefull /o\
[8:57] <nextgens> I need to go ... will see later
[8:57] <nextgens> seeya
[8:57] <linyos> later
[8:58] <nextgens> well, I spent half an hour on it without any success :'(
[9:07] <sbc> Is anyone else getting what looks like php warnings on the website, under download?
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[9:08] <sbc> hmm, a refresh seems to make it go away for me. Nevermind.
[9:09] <linyos> Warning: session_start(): open(/tmp/sess_1f095d2237ad825c3c2c4ef3b4ea2660, O_RDWR) failed: Permission denied (13) in /home/groups/f/fr/freenet/htdocs/index.php on line 2
[9:09] <linyos> Warning: session_start(): Cannot send sWarning: session_start(): open(/tmp/sess_1f095d2237ad825c3c2c4ef3b4ea2660, O_RDWR) failed: Permission denied (13) in /home/groups/f/fr/freenet/htdocs/index.php on line 2
[9:09] <linyos> Warning: session_start(): Cannot send session cache limiter - headers already sent (output started at /home/groups/f/fr/freenet/htdocs/index.php:2) in /home/groups/f/fr/freenet/htdocs/index.php on line 2Warning: session_start(): open(/tmp/sess_1f095d2237ad825c3c2c4ef3b4ea2660, O_RDWR) failed: Permission denied (13) in /home/groups/f/fr/freenet/htdocs/index.php on line 2
[9:09] <linyos> Warning: session_start(): Cannot send session cache limiter - headers already sent (output started at /home/groups/f/fr/freenet/htdocs/index.php:2) in /home/groups/f/fr/freenet/htdocs/index.php on line 2ession cache limiter - headers already sent (output started at /home/groups/f/fr/freenet/htdocs/index.php:2) in /home/groups/f/fr/freenet/htdocs/index.php on line 2
[9:09] <linyos> oops, duplicated that.
[9:09] <linyos> triplicated, even...
[9:10] <sbc> yeah, that looks like what I got.
[9:11] <linyos> it's weirdly nondeterministic.
[9:11] <sbc> Like so many other things related to freenet
[9:20] <sbc> Going over the "tools" section of the website, there are quite a few dead / old links, tools that only work with old versions of freenet etc. For one, the FIW link is for edition number 7, it is up to edition 9 now. Maby someone should go over the links and remove/update where needed?
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[9:30] <linyos> and the wiki is borked.
[9:33] <sbc> and 0.7 hasn't been released yet - or was it just complaints about the website today? :)
[9:52] <linyos> i am still fascinated by network-distributed computing
[9:53] <linyos> not only could it be the future, but it has some excellent security properties
[9:59] <linyos> i mean, there is still a part of me that wants to put together the most bad-ass, hardest to regulate computer networking infrastructure ever
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[10:22] <nextgens> linyos> I can't do anything about SF's suckage :/
[10:22] <nextgens> except moving the wiki ... but I won't do until I'm told to
[10:22] <nextgens> sbc> it would'nt be fun, if it was deterministic ;)
[10:23] <nextgens> bbl again, out for lunch
[10:28] <linyos> W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[10:28] <linyos> interesting...
[11:06] <linyos> nextgens: i suppose they won't let us install our own php?
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[12:39] <toad_> hi folks
[12:41] <nextgens> hi toad_ :)
[12:41] <toad_> hi nextgens
[12:42] <nextgens> toad_> we've got a problem with mantis ...
[12:42] <nextgens> only already registered users can register :-D
[12:42] <nextgens> I wasn't able to find why ...
[12:43] <nextgens> now I've got an idea but no "clean" fix :/
[12:43] <nextgens> as we are using mantis on two different VirtualHosts, their
[12:44] <nextgens> "pseudo url-rewritting" thing isn't working :<
[12:44] <nextgens> I don't know why they aren't using apache's one ...
[12:44] <nextgens> but still, it clashes
[12:45] <nextgens> you can read the chanlog. if you'd like more details ...
[12:46] <nextgens> I don't know how to solve this issue properly
[12:48] <toad_> :|
[12:48] <toad_> hmmm
[12:49] <toad_> what was the idea?
[12:49] <nextgens> to use only one virtual host :-D
[12:49] <toad_> how?
[12:49] <nextgens> and maybe 2 mantis
[12:50] <nextgens> there is only one or two tickets for freenet in it now ...
[12:50] <nextgens> we could keep this one for blogcast and create an other new one for freenet
[12:51] <nextgens> there are only one or two tickets for freenet in it ATM ...
[12:51] <nextgens> we could keep this one for blogcast and create an other new one for freenet
[12:51] <nextgens> *megalag*
[12:53] <nextgens> by creating an other one, I mean copying the directory and the database in another place
[12:53] <nextgens> sanity> your point about that ?
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[12:54] <nextgens> sanity> or maybe you've got an idea ?
[12:54] <nextgens> NullAcht15> there is now a logbot on the channel :)
[12:54] <nextgens> (hopefully a reliable one)
[12:55] <sanity> nextgens: if you want to create a separate vhost and run a separate instance of mantis, that is fine with me
[12:57] <nextgens> ok, I will probably do so
[12:58] <nextgens> I thought it is possible to have both on the same mantis ...
[12:58] <nextgens> but I don't know mantis enough to manage it
[12:58] <nextgens> bbl
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[14:03] <toad_> i have two ports open on this machine which i don't know what they are... 715 and 988
[14:05] <toad_> netstat -l -p ...
[14:06] <toad_> hmm, famd and rpc.mountd
[14:06] <toad_> ok
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[14:25] <linyos> "The technology uses a scripting language to enable games to send signals to compatible hardware such as lights, fans, heaters, and even furniture."
[14:25] <toad_> hmmm
[14:26] <toad_> couch -> <deleted explicit request>
[14:29] <linyos> maybe freenet could use this to turn your chair green, make your fans glow, and start your light bulbs vibrating when it gets a request, or something.
[14:29] <linyos> you'd probably catch the bird flu, though.
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[14:51] <toad_> "siberian man dies of hypothermia after computer game turns off his central heating..."
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[15:10] <JoshParadroid> that'll teach him not to play fahrenheit
[15:33] <linyos> hah, the old xor-the-files-together idea is back on the lists.
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[18:20] <JoshParadroid> linyos: what's this xor idea (or where which list is it on so i can read it?)
[18:20] <JoshParadroid> -where
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[19:12] <toad_> JoshParadroid: on -chat
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[20:44] <JoshParadroid> toad_: thanks
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[21:11] <toad_> WASHINGTON (Reuters) - File-sharing service Grokster will stop distributing
[21:11] <toad_> +software that allows users to copy songs without permission as part of a
[21:11] <toad_> +settlement with the recording industry, an industry group said Monday.
[21:11] <toad_> Read the full story at
[21:12] <toad_> stand by for influx of grokster refugees...
[21:12] <JoshParadroid> heh, isn't grokster just kazaa in a different colour?
[21:15] <JoshParadroid> i don't understand why anyone uses grokster is a similar way to how i don't understand why anyone actually uses 'ask jeeves'
[21:20] <MHq> ask jeeves...lol
[21:22] <JoshParadroid> yeah, i mean, really, who's that for?
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