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[7:27] <toad_> OpenOffice calc is messed up
[7:27] <toad_> since this contains my timesheet system, this is a major problem!
[7:27] <toad_> i click save, and it appears to save, and then says "could not create backup copy"
[7:28] <toad_> it's running as root (bad idea i know), and there is plenty of disk space... what could the problem be?
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[7:30] <toad_> hey nextgens
[7:30] <toad_> ok, fixed it
[7:35] <nextgens> hi toad_ :)
[7:36] <toad_> did you get the autobuilder scripts working?
[7:36] <nextgens> no :$
[7:36] <toad_> what help do you need?
[7:37] <nextgens> I don't understand why they are still "missing classpath" arguments even if I do specify them
[7:37] <nextgens> just do sudo -s
[7:37] <nextgens> then sudo - svn-build
[7:37] <nextgens> cd ~/build/stable
[7:37] <nextgens> ant
[7:37] <nextgens> and it's not working ... even with CLASSPATH set
[7:38] <toad_> sudo - svn-build
[7:38] <toad_> sudo: '-' requires an argument
[7:39] <toad_> ok, running
[7:39] <nextgens> su - svn-build sorry
[7:39] <toad_> you need Contrib
[7:39] <toad_> in a dir parallel to stable and unstable
[7:40] <toad_> then do ant distclean
[7:40] <toad_> then ant
[7:40] <toad_> and that will produce freenet-ext.jar as well, which we also need to be updated
[7:40] <nextgens> ...
[7:40] <nextgens> it's done
[7:40] <nextgens> have a look at ~/bin/snapshoots.sh
[7:41] <toad_> no it isn't
[7:41] <toad_> it isn't in ~/build
[7:41] <toad_> there is no Contrib
[7:41] <nextgens> yes, but the classpath is set in the .sh
[7:41] <toad_> it needs to be a parallel directory
[7:42] * nextgens is moving it
[7:42] <toad_> as Contrib can't be built by itself
[7:42] <toad_> you have to get stable (or unstable) to build Contrib
[7:42] <toad_> okay, now it works?
[7:42] <nextgens> yes :)
[7:42] <toad_> :)
[7:42] * nextgens will addapt those scripts
[7:42] <toad_> so please upload the new 5106 and 60275
[7:43] <nextgens> ok
[7:43] <toad_> thanks
[7:43] <nextgens> soon
[7:43] * nextgens has a class at 2PM
[7:43] <toad_> ok, is there anything you need to ask me about?
[7:43] <toad_> otherwise i'll bbiab
[7:44] <toad_> you could actually create freenet-<buildnumber>.jar's now...
[7:44] <toad_> of course there isn't space on sourceforge to host them :)
[7:45] <toad_> well maybe the last 5 of each branch... possibly instead of daily rotated snapshots?
[7:46] <toad_> i don't know whether we want 0.7 jar's on sourceforge yet
[7:46] <toad_> yes, perhaps we do
[7:46] <toad_> okay, do that too
[7:46] <toad_> automatic 0.7 snapshots i mean
[7:47] <toad_> bbiab
[7:48] <nextgens> ok
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[8:50] <linyos> lalala
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[9:17] <toad_> hi linyos
[9:18] <linyos> yo
[9:19] <linyos> good afternoon
[9:20] <linyos> apparently i am now connected to your freenet node
[9:20] <linyos> hooray for anonymity
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[10:03] * nextgens is now in tutorial :)
[10:04] <nextgens> snapshoots have been uploaded ... I'm creating a tag now
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[11:01] <NullAcht15> Does anyone have any experience with Freenet's performance using different filesystems=
[11:01] <NullAcht15> ?
[11:17] <toad_> no real experience, though i could speculate that very large stores work better on filesystems with trees
[11:18] <toad_> (i.e. not classic ext2, not ext3 without htree)
[11:21] <nextgens> as for a svn repo. ;)
[11:21] <nextgens> /dev/hda2 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[11:21] <nextgens> ^-^
[11:25] <danderson> nextgens: a classic svn repo will work well anywhere :)
[11:26] <danderson> a *large* svn repo will perform better on a fs geared to many small files
[11:26] <toad_> yeah but fsfs is better for most purposes
[11:26] <toad_> esp. as dav only works with fsfs
[11:26] <danderson> toad_: err, no, dav also works with the bdb backend...
[11:26] <nextgens> toad_: no, not 'only' IMHO
[11:26] <toad_> danderson: oh, nextgens told me different...
[11:27] <danderson> that's the point of the svn_fs abstraction: no need to know which backend you're using :)
[11:27] <danderson> on the other hand
[11:27] <danderson> one thing is true
[11:27] <nextgens> but files permissions are a nightmare on dbd one
[11:27] <toad_> danderson: how do you fit arbitrary variable sized files into a berkeley DB?
[11:27] <danderson> Subversion's usage model of bdb makes it prone to locking up, requiring manual recovery
[11:27] <danderson> whereas fsfs auto-recovers in cases where locks are left behind
[11:28] * nextgens brb
[11:28] <danderson> toad_: ask the guys who build the bdb backend ;
[11:28] <danderson> all I know is that a tree is emulated using a n-tuple storage representation
[11:28] <danderson> which is apparently quite efficient
[11:31] <NullAcht15> toad_: I've been using reiserfs 3 fo a while now and the performance was a big disappointment
[11:31] <toad_> reiser3 can be rather cpu intensive
[11:31] <toad_> and performance on Really Big Files isn't that great
[11:31] <NullAcht15> but the store is lots of small files, right?
[11:31] <toad_> lots of mid size files
[11:32] <toad_> reiser should be fine
[11:32] <toad_> what makes you think you have problems with the FS?
[11:32] <NullAcht15> Even looking through the store with a browser (or ls) took very long
[11:32] <toad_> it seems rather unlikely...
[11:32] <toad_> well, either way it has to enumerate all the files
[11:32] <toad_> if there are 10,000 files, that will take a while no matter what filesystem you are using
[11:32] <NullAcht15> maybe it is the cpu. This is a via c3 800Mhz, which is about as fast as a celeron 4000
[11:32] <NullAcht15> 400
[11:32] <toad_> but why would you want to?
[11:33] <toad_> no, it's disk
[11:33] <danderson> yeah, enumeration is always slow, or very slow, on large directories
[11:33] <danderson> the real performance differences come when you try to access a single file in a repository containing many
[11:33] <toad_> right
[11:33] <danderson> efficient filesystems will do so extremely fast (ie. a hash table of the dir's contents provides the inode)
[11:34] <danderson> others will crawl the entire inode list, taking years
[11:34] <toad_> reiser with 10k files in one dir will be much faster than ext3 (without htree) with the same situation
[11:34] <toad_> IF you are fetching a single file
[11:34] <danderson> that was the major problem with fsfs
[11:34] <toad_> otoh if you want to list it, that's always going to be slow
[11:34] <NullAcht15> well, that leaves me wondering why it is so slow in my case
[11:34] <danderson> the current revision number is stored in a single file, and then you have one file per rev in a revs/ directory
[11:34] <toad_> danderson: the hash table is in the kernel's dcache... but it's partial, since you can't keep all the metadata in RAM for all the filesystems usually
[11:34] <danderson> so normally, reading the 'current' file and then accessing that latest rev should be lightning fast
[11:35] <toad_> NullAcht15: are you fetching a single file or listing all of them?
[11:35] <danderson> but base ext3 takes up to 5 minutes on large repositories
[11:35] <toad_> danderson: the diff. with real filesystems is they have a btree or something on disk so you can find one fast even if you _dont_ have the directory in the dcache
[11:35] <danderson> when the htree patch was introduced, that went from 5 minutes to 2 seconds
[11:35] <danderson> toad_: hmm, I see. Thanks for the details
[11:36] <danderson> all I knew was the general idea
[11:36] <NullAcht15> hm...
[11:36] <danderson> and, that xfs/reiser/ext3-htree good, ext2/ext3 bad :-)
[11:36] * nextgens back
[11:36] <NullAcht15> so I should go for reiserfs again?
[11:59] <nextgens> the snapshoot uploading is almost working by itself :)
[12:00] <nextgens> the only problem is the "almost" ;)
[12:03] <danderson> heh
[12:03] <danderson> same thing here
[12:04] <danderson> the new and immensely improved python bindings for svn almost work
[12:04] <danderson> except that when they don't, they deadlock/crash mod_python :(
[12:04] <danderson> but at least we know why.
[12:10] <nextgens> :)
[12:16] <nextgens> I think this issue is now fixed
[12:16] <nextgens> \o/
[12:19] <nextgens> toad_: :-@
[12:19] <nextgens> [pts/7] -users/nextgens nextgens@frog% host -t MX freenetproject.org
[12:19] <nextgens> freenetproject.org MX 0 86400.mx.freenetproject.org
[12:19] <nextgens> and you are wondering why some mails get lost ? :)
[12:23] * nextgens has to go now ...
[12:24] <nextgens> I still have to deal with the "references" update though ...
[12:24] <nextgens> seeya
[12:24] <nextgens> toad_: please consider setting up a "backup MX" ;)
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[12:26] <nextgens> toad_: now there won't be 'daily snapshots' anymore ... but "on commit" ones
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[13:13] <rah> Testing Linux-Loki_Software-Descent_3-1of2.img Data Error
[13:13] <rah> ARG
[13:13] <danderson> pah, descent 3
[13:13] <danderson> descent II, those were thedays
[13:14] <rah> nobody's uploaded descent II to freenet tho :)
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[14:15] <Caco_Patane> Hallo
[14:29] <toad_> heh, i stirred up something on frost...
[14:30] <toad_> yes there are people interested in freenet here
[14:33] <toad_> ummm, please don't confess to criminal acts on the irc channel
[14:33] <toad_> rah
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[14:56] <toad_> hmmm
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[17:40] <toad_> hi
[17:50] <toad_> how to implement resubscribe...
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