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[3:25] <NathanJY> hey
[3:25] <NathanJY> Are there any detailed documents on how freenet darknets are supposed to work?
[3:25] <NathanJY> I read the slides, but they're vague
[3:26] <NathanJY> plus from the slides they don't even read like they're actually darknets, rather, just an improved routing algorithm
[3:26] <NathanJY> one that priotizes certain individuals
[3:26] <NathanJY> prioritizes
[3:26] <NathanJY> and I was under the impression that darknets were, by definition, small
[3:26] <NathanJY> closed to the rest of the population
[3:27] <NathanJY> not just a prioritized group
[3:29] <NathanJY> I also looked over the Kleinberg paper too
[3:33] <NathanJY> yeah this is weird
[3:34] <NathanJY> even freenet describes it as a 'global, scalable darknet'
[3:34] <NathanJY> but that's a violation of the definition of a darknet
[4:24] <nextgens> no :) it could mean small interconnected darknets ;)
[4:25] <nextgens> and why were you "under the impression that darknets were, by definition, small" ?
[4:26] * nextgens is looking for toad
[4:33] <NathanJY> maybe not small
[4:33] <NathanJY> but they're by definition private
[4:33] <NathanJY> freenet is public
[4:39] <nextgens> sanity: here ?
[4:39] <sanity> nextgens: yes, howdy
[4:39] <nextgens> NathanJY: it will be both :
[4:39] <nextgens> :)
[4:39] <NathanJY> that's a contradiction in terms
[4:39] <nextgens> sanity: I've got a question regarding SVN
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[4:40] <nextgens> no, there will^Wshould be a "darknet" and an 'opennet'
[4:40] <sanity> nextgens: yes...?
[4:40] <NathanJY> but the "Darknet" is connected to the opennet
[4:44] <sanity> that is nuts, someone has just offered to donate US$10,000 to Freenet
[4:46] <NathanJY> where?
[4:48] <sanity> he lives in Canada, but he is the director of an oil exploration company
[4:48] <NathanJY> why would the owner of an oil exploration company donate $10k?
[4:49] <NathanJY> er director
[4:49] <NathanJY> that's weird
[4:49] <sanity> why does anyone donate to the project
[4:50] <nextgens> [10:43] < NathanJY> | but the "Darknet" is connected to the opennet ... probably ; nodes will be able to do both
[4:51] <NathanJY> yeah but that's not the job type I'd associate with being a fervent believer in freedom of speehc or anything
[4:51] <NathanJY> $10k worth
[4:51] <NathanJY> well
[4:52] <NathanJY> if you can do a true darknet, then I don't see the point in using freenet, since there are more effecient options for that
[4:54] <NathanJY> it seems the argument for a "true darknet" is that you can rely on a web of trust
[4:54] <NathanJY> but historically that's not been true
[4:55] <NathanJY> pgp key signing has relied on a web of trust, but historically it's been shown that people are just lax with who they sign. even if you're careful, the more degrees you go out, the more lax people are
[4:55] <NathanJY> you can trust like 2 degrees at most, but 3 is kind of iffy
[4:56] <nextgens> yes, but according to the topology, if you do trust 2 degrees, it will be enough to get a "good level" of security :
[4:57] <nextgens> one cancer node won't be able to do anything if it's a 3rd degree node ;)
[4:58] <NathanJY> I don't think that will matter if you're in an opressive country
[4:58] <NathanJY> they'll just spy on the computers in sequence through all 3 degrees
[4:59] <NathanJY> and they don't really care about warrants or anything, so...
[5:00] <NathanJY> besides, the fact that you trust them means that they can use traditional detective work
[5:00] <NathanJY> because they're friends of yours instead of random individuals
[5:01] <NathanJY> they could grill a random person and that random person would know nothing about you
[5:01] <NathanJY> but someone 3 degrees out would know enough to lead them to you
[5:05] <NathanJY> anyway, Im getoing to bed
[5:05] <NathanJY> going to bed
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[8:16] <nextgens> sanity: ping ?
[8:16] <nextgens> toad_: hi :)
[8:17] <nextgens> toad_: It's almost ready :) I've just some problems to get apache1 and VirtualHosts running
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[8:40] <nextgens> toad_: please beep me when you are back (I will go before 16h15 GMT)
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[11:19] <nextgens> toad_: ping ?
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[12:10] <nextgens> the SVN repository is now ready to use :) \o/
[12:20] <danderson> !
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[13:05] <nextgens> I have to go, seeya tomorrow
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[13:23] <stats> hi guys
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[13:29] <stats> exist there a freenet-ext.jar for x86_64?
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[13:31] <Coding-Chris> ask toad_
[13:33] <stats> toad is always busy :-)
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hat you trust them means that they can use traditional detective work
[11:04] <NathanJY> because they're friends of yours instead of random individuals
[11:04] <NathanJY> they could grill a random person and that random person would know nothing about you
[11:04] <NathanJY> but someone 3 degrees out would know enough to lead them to you
[11:08] <NathanJY> anyway, Im getoing to bed
[11:08] <NathanJY> going to bed
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[14:19] <nextgens> sanity: ping ?
[14:20] <nextgens> toad_: hi :)
[14:20] <nextgens> toad_: It's almost ready :) I've just some problems to get apache1 and VirtualHosts running
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[14:43] <nextgens> toad_: please beep me when you are back (I will go before 16h15 GMT)
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[17:23] <nextgens> toad_: ping ?
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[18:14] <nextgens> the SVN repository is now ready to use :) \o/
[18:24] <danderson> !
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[19:08] <nextgens> I have to go, seeya tomorrow
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[19:27] <stats> hi guys
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[19:33] <stats> exist there a freenet-ext.jar for x86_64?
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[19:34] <Coding-Chris> ask toad_
[19:36] <stats> toad is always busy :-)
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