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[0:54] <Elly> WAREZ
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[1:56] <dli> hi
[2:05] <toad_> hi dli
[2:05] <toad_> bbl zzz
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[2:12] <dli> toad_ the problem I got with 100% cpu load is due to JVM memory shortage
[2:12] <dli> toad_: the default was 128MB in start-freenet.sh, I now set it to 192MB
[2:14] <dli> Memory in use 147,681,624 Bytes
[2:14] <dli> Estimated memory used by logger None
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[13:53] <toad_> bbiab
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[14:55] <toad_> hi
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[15:17] <toad_> :)
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[16:26] <nextgens> hi
[16:28] <toad_> hi nextgens
[16:29] <toad_> nextgens: do you think that if we implemented a hybrid network, people would migrate from the open part to the darknet?
[16:29] <toad_> for the single and sole benefit of improved security (assuming you change your identity etc)?
[16:30] <toad_> well i suppose we would have a separate identity for the open portion...
[16:33] <toad_> hobx: do you think that new routing + path folding can work, with some parts of the network path folding, and others fixed?
[16:34] <toad_> in theory, path folding ought to produce the right topology... but new routing might be too slow to keep up with it?
[16:35] <nextgens> toad_: no
[16:35] <toad_> nextgens: but they wouldn't try to get onto the darknet either?
[16:36] <nextgens> toad_: I'm effraid that the darknet will have worst performances and that ppl don't care much about anonimyty and just like to exchange warez (for people in West of course)
[16:36] <nextgens> I think they will if they haven't got an alternative
[16:36] <hobx> I dunno
[16:36] <toad_> why would the darknet perform badly?
[16:36] <toad_> my problem is that if we implement a hybrid, we have no idea whether a pure darknet can work
[16:37] <nextgens> or maybe if the opennet is tweaked to be worst than the opennet in term of performance ;)
[16:37] <nextgens> <@ toad_> | why would the darknet perform badly?
[16:37] <toad_> nextgens: well that's what i was thinking, but ian is of the view that somebody would just fork the network
[16:38] <nextgens> because not revelating the full topology won't help ; and I can't belive that it could be faster than a network wich has access to it
[16:38] <toad_> hobx: i suppose we should simulate it at some point...
[16:39] <toad_> eh?
[16:39] <nextgens> I might be wrong ... but even, to use the darknet means to be able to get "trusted" enough, ... and to do by hands some things ...
[16:39] <toad_> we never reveal the full topology
[16:39] <toad_> even on opennet
[16:39] <nextgens> people are lazy and won't do it if they have got an alternative
[16:39] <toad_> on opennet we do path folding to get a small world network
[16:39] <nextgens> toad_: ?
[16:40] <nextgens> ah ok
[16:40] <toad_> on darknet we get a small world network by people connecting to each other
[16:40] <nextgens> but I'm effraid it won't help as a cancer node will be able to connect to "everyone" on the opennet and so, discover the network...
[16:41] <nextgens> Do I misunterstand something ?
[16:41] <toad_> nextgens: there are far more security issues on the opennet, yes
[16:41] <toad_> firstly being harvesting
[16:41] <toad_> but if you can harvest, a lot of things are much easier
[16:42] <nextgens> maybe the opennet won't ever work at all (/me is thinking about the slashdot effect ;) )
[16:42] <toad_> hehe
[16:42] <toad_> you mean like 0.5 doesn't work?
[16:43] <nextgens> well it hasn't been slashdoted for a long time ... that's why it's beginning to be usable ;)
[16:43] <nextgens> sorry; it might be why
[16:43] <toad_> it might
[16:44] <nextgens> I mean a lot of people have moved to I2P and other networks .. actives nodes are more stable by now and I think it's why it's getting better
[16:45] <nextgens> (I started a new node last week and it's performing quite well now B-) )
[16:46] <toad_> actually i recently heard i2p was having major problems...
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[17:09] <hobx> so what is i2p?
[17:10] <Sugadude> It's like Tor, only written in Java and better.
[17:10] <hobx> isn't that self contradictory
[17:10] <Sugadude> No, because the reason it's better *despite* the fact it's written in Java.
[17:11] <hobx> I saw something weird in Google's July Zeitgesit
[17:11] <Sugadude> s/reason//
[17:11] <hobx> one of the most common search words in Sweden was "proxy list"
[17:11] <hobx> can't find it anywhere else or in any other zeitgeist
[17:11] <Sugadude> Maybe Sweedish Idol had net-voting?
[17:13] <hobx> he
[17:13] <hobx> I think I could have thought about this forever and not guessed that...
[17:14] <Sugadude> I'm a very disturbed person. :)
[17:14] <hobx> I was wondering if it had to do with that they started doing backbone censoring of kiddie porn here. But the pedo can't be that plentiful...
[17:16] <Sugadude> Why is it that so often people link anonymity with pedophiles, terrorists, criminals, etc. ?
[17:18] <hobx> cause it is rather useful to them
[17:18] <smains> because other people usually don't care about anonymity
[17:19] <Sugadude> What about all the RIAA refugees?
[17:24] <toad_> well those are the other corner of the square
[17:24] <toad_> pedophiles, terrorists, copyright infringers, and umm... there was a fourth one :)
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[17:29] <nextgens> http://today.reuters.fr/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=technologyNews&storyID=2005-09-20T145130Z_01_MAL053424_RTRIDST_0_OFRIN-FRANCE-FAMILLE-CONFERENCE-INTERNET-20050920.XML
[17:29] <nextgens> :-S
[17:29] <nextgens> sorry, it's in french only:$
[17:30] <Sugadude> If there's one thing two years of Frost usage has given me, it's the ability to filter french without noticing it. :)
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[20:56] <toad_> okay, where was i?
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[21:11] <sleon|tuX> hi all
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